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Last night was the first time I played Counter Strike and Team Fortress 2. (and I've had TF2 for a while) Both are alot of fun even though I suck horribly at CS
 
If you're talking about 1.6, then always tap, don't spray. Stick to stuff like the M4 and AK.

If you're talking about CSS, then spray away.
 
[quote name='SEH']If you're talking about 1.6, then always tap, don't spray. Stick to stuff like the M4 and AK.

If you're talking about CSS, then spray away.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about CSS. Spraying sounds like the way to go. Thanks
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']*thinks every game in the Orange Box is horribly overated*[/QUOTE]

Not looking to start an argument, but care to explain? I've found that aside from my own appreciation of them, TF2, HL2, and Portal are some of the most highly praised games on the PC.
 
[quote name='radioactivez0r']Not looking to start an argument, but care to explain? I've found that aside from my own appreciation of them, TF2, HL2, and Portal are some of the most highly praised games on the PC.[/QUOTE]

You yourself say they are among the most highly praised, to be overated you would have to be praised highly! Anyways, as for why I think the games do not deserve that kind of praise is because I think they all have critical flaws if not major flaws. TF2 for example is a game that is PURELY online and yet has no tutorial. This means anyone that buys the game is fed to the sharks, you can not learn the controls in a tutorial, you can not try to learn basic skills against bots...nope instead you better learn fast because your going in against other players, other players that at this point in the games life span are hardened veterans.

Each of the games in the Orange Box has some kind of problem like that, they all grate me the wrong way and while I think they are amazing games(even if I do not like them I admit that)I think they are VASTLY overrated by many people.
 
[quote name='Hydro2Oxide']Super Meat Boy not out the second it was advertised to be released.

Heads will roll >:O[/QUOTE]

Lol, yeah I noticed that. Also noticed that they have Dungeon Defenders on the new release list even though somebody posted that it won't be out until next year. I guess Valve didn't get the memo?
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']You yourself say they are among the most highly praised, to be overated you would have to be praised highly! Anyways, as for why I think the games do not deserve that kind of praise is because I think they all have critical flaws if not major flaws. TF2 for example is a game that is PURELY online and yet has no tutorial. This means anyone that buys the game is fed to the sharks, you can not learn the controls in a tutorial, you can not try to learn basic skills against bots...nope instead you better learn fast because your going in against other players, other players that at this point in the games life span are hardened veterans.

Each of the games in the Orange Box has some kind of problem like that, they all grate me the wrong way and while I think they are amazing games(even if I do not like them I admit that)I think they are VASTLY overrated by many people.[/QUOTE]

Thats incorrect, TF2 has a training mode. Its a recent addition but its there.
 
[quote name='paz9x']Thats incorrect, TF2 has a training mode. Its a recent addition but its there.[/QUOTE]

As you said though, its a recent edition(which is why I do not know about it).
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']As you said though, its a recent edition(which is why I do not know about it).[/QUOTE]

Judging TF2 based on its release version, the game needed a lot of work. 6 maps, some classes were ridiculously under/over powered (Pyro, anyone?) though it was still fun.
 
[quote name='Hydro2Oxide']Judging TF2 based on its release version, the game needed a lot of work. 6 maps, some classes were ridiculously under/over powered (Pyro, anyone?) though it was still fun.[/QUOTE]

I was not judging it based on its release version, I was judging it based on something like 8-12 months or so ago roughly.
 
[quote name='JujuFish']I'm the opposite. I can't imagine playing anything on an inferior console system when I can get it on the PC, usually cheaper. Consoles are good for exclusives and sports games. Other than that, PC all the way.[/QUOTE]

:applause:

Well said JujuFish. I usually always go the PC route myself, but besides having a superior experience you also save yourself a few bucks as well. Not to hate or anything, but what the PSN or Live call deals makes me want to throw up.
 
[quote name='JujuFish']I'm the opposite. I can't imagine playing anything on an inferior console system when I can get it on the PC, usually cheaper. Consoles are good for exclusives and sports games. Other than that, PC all the way.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree :applause:
 
I like the social aspect of Lives gamerscore. The draw of the PC for me comes in the form of strategy games and Mod-able RPGs. Probably would rather have the linear Metro on 360 for the Gamerscore, and the Mod-able Fallouts on PC for replayability.

Almost bit on Metro at that price. But it might be a Gamefly rental for me instead.
 
[quote name='JujuFish']I'm the opposite. I can't imagine playing anything on an inferior console system when I can get it on the PC, usually cheaper. Consoles are good for exclusives and sports games. Other than that, PC all the way.[/QUOTE]

I will voice disagreement(which since Steam is a console platform I imagine I will be a minority here). To me PC gaming is generally inferior. Games that offer a heavy mod community I am very pleased with, but outside that I prefer the console. First off console gaming is MUCH more reliable, I have problems with my computer games all the time from not freaking running to steam cloud losing my save info(Torchlight and Plants vs Zombies have both done this through steam). Second console gaming generally does not call for upgrades where as till recently you would have to constantly upgrade your PC. The final nail in the coffin is comfort. I can sit on my couch in front of my nice big plasma with my controller in hand and enjoy any type of game I want. With the PC yes I can hook my TV up to my PC, but its an extra annoying step towards playing games to have to switch the cords around to use my TV. And yes there are controllers for the PC, but not all PC games recognize or use them.....and without a controller 90% of games are just ass(pretty much anything not a RTS/Tower Defense or FPSer without a controller is horrid).

End of the day while for me I prefer consoles, I will say that I think both are probably pretty equal. The PC is like a foreign sports car. It provides you more options and the best look and feel around, but it can be a huge and expensive pain in the ass. Consoles meanwhile are like your family vehicle, they may not be as pretty, but they get the job done in ultra comfort for ultra cheap.

I will say though that the consoles are picking up more and more of PC gamings bad habits such as required updates where as it seems as though PC gaming is becoming more and more streamlined(at the sacrifice of not standing out as graphically from console games as it used to). And I will say that this generation handheld gaming has impressed me more then anything, the PSP and the DS are MAJOR jumps in the graphics, game play and just general quality over the last gen.
 
You could still just start your own local server and populate it with bots. The game isn't that hard anyways, no reason to be scared to just jump right in.
 
Bad Company Vietnam just went on sale, do not know if want.

And a heads up to anyone who hasn't heard it yet...

Meatboy fucking rules. The port is less than I'd hoped for, and no level editor yet but man is it fun.
 
[quote name='Hydro2Oxide']Bad Company Vietnam just went on sale, do not know if want.

And a heads up to anyone who hasn't heard it yet...

Meatboy fucking rules. The port is less than I'd hoped for, and no level editor yet but man is it fun.[/QUOTE]

I've heard great stuff about it but I bought enough last week and I could see Steam throwing this out for cheap at Christmas.
 
[quote name='Hydro2Oxide']Bad Company Vietnam just went on sale, do not know if want.

And a heads up to anyone who hasn't heard it yet...

Meatboy fucking rules. The port is less than I'd hoped for, and no level editor yet but man is it fun.[/QUOTE]

what problems do you have with the port?
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']I will voice disagreement(which since Steam is a console platform I imagine I will be a minority here). To me PC gaming is generally inferior. Games that offer a heavy mod community I am very pleased with, but outside that I prefer the console. First off console gaming is MUCH more reliable, I have problems with my computer games all the time from not freaking running to steam cloud losing my save info(Torchlight and Plants vs Zombies have both done this through steam). Second console gaming generally does not call for upgrades where as till recently you would have to constantly upgrade your PC. The final nail in the coffin is comfort. I can sit on my couch in front of my nice big plasma with my controller in hand and enjoy any type of game I want. With the PC yes I can hook my TV up to my PC, but its an extra annoying step towards playing games to have to switch the cords around to use my TV. And yes there are controllers for the PC, but not all PC games recognize or use them.....and without a controller 90% of games are just ass(pretty much anything not a RTS/Tower Defense or FPSer without a controller is horrid).

End of the day while for me I prefer consoles, I will say that I think both are probably pretty equal. The PC is like a foreign sports car. It provides you more options and the best look and feel around, but it can be a huge and expensive pain in the ass. Consoles meanwhile are like your family vehicle, they may not be as pretty, but they get the job done in ultra comfort for ultra cheap.

I will say though that the consoles are picking up more and more of PC gamings bad habits such as required updates where as it seems as though PC gaming is becoming more and more streamlined(at the sacrifice of not standing out as graphically from console games as it used to). And I will say that this generation handheld gaming has impressed me more then anything, the PSP and the DS are MAJOR jumps in the graphics, game play and just general quality over the last gen.[/QUOTE]

While the software on consoles is more reliable (in most cases), the hardware's reliability has been terrible. You couple that with the fact you can't easily replace parts it can be a major expense to have to buy a new console with the same hardware every couple of years. I suppose in your analogy this would be if that family vehicle was only known to last a couple of years.

Even the software issue starts to sway in the favor of PC in cases like the new Fallout game, since on the PC companies are able to provide patches without going through certification.

The couch thing is a point I really don't understand since PCs can easily be hooked up to HDTVs at this point.

All this said, I still think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as the opinion doesn't ignore the facts.
 
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[quote name='52club']While the software on consoles is more reliable (in most cases) on consoles, the hardware's reliability has been terrible. You couple that with the fact you can't easily replace parts it can be a major expense to have to buy a new console with the same hardware every couple of years. I suppose in your analogy this would be if that family vehicle was only known to last a couple of years.

Even the software issue starts to sway in the favor of PC in cases like the new Fallout game, since on the PC companies are able to provide patches without going through certification.

The couch thing is a point I really don't understand since PCs can easily be hooked up to HDTVs at this point.

All this said, I still think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as the opinion doesn't ignore the facts.[/QUOTE]

I'll add that for PCs, playing with higher framerates makes an enormously huge difference -- there's a reason that the Call of Duty games on console go sub-HD to achieve 60 fps. But with PC, there's no reason you can't have 1080p at 60 fps with modestly priced hardware.
 
Current problems with Meat Boy are various crashing problems. In my case the game crashes every time I exit game. Not a big deal, just have to reset the sound settings every time I start it up cause they are way too loud for me at default. Other people are having game breaking crashes though.

They also forgot to remove "Teh Internets" content from the PC version. Was supposed to be Xbox only I believe. So when you hit 20 bandages it unlocks, but you can't play it. PC version is supposed to have a different unlock for 20 bandages.

No control mapping yet. You can't really use any other gamepad besides an Xbox 360 Controller or keyboard. Apparently a fix is coming soon for that as well.

There are various other bugs too from what I was seeing on the Steam forums.

Other than that the game is a blast! Easily worth the $10 pre-order.
 
Is there an intelligent reason other forums were shutting down their users doing Steam group buys and we weren't?
 
[quote name='Josh5890']I've heard great stuff about it but I bought enough last week and I could see Steam throwing this out for cheap at Christmas.[/QUOTE]
Don't count on it. The developers have clearly and repeatedly said that they are not going to be putting the game on any significant sale for quite some time, post-launch. They don't want people who preordered to get burned by the game being even cheaper just a month later.

So, yeah, don't expect to see it as one of those $2.50 deals we often see during the holiday sales.

[quote name='dfg']Is there an intelligent reason other forums were shutting down their users doing Steam group buys and we weren't?[/QUOTE]
What other forums did that?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']

What other forums did that?[/QUOTE]

Slickdeals and maybe one other, from what people are saying in the threads here. S'funny to see a guy who joined this month with just 1 feedback shy of me who's been here over 5 years, not that I trade a lot.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Don't count on it. The developers have clearly and repeatedly said that they are not going to be putting the game on any significant sale for quite some time, post-launch. They don't want people who preordered to get burned by the game being even cheaper just a month later.

So, yeah, don't expect to see it as one of those $2.50 deals we often see during the holiday sales.[/QUOTE]

I personally wouldn't mind, but I respect that they respect their customers.

Can't wait to get my PS3 controller working with this though, the keyboard is killing me.

EDIT: Thank christ!

World of Goo ball will be playable in the Steam version via a special Cheat Code.
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http://supermeatboy.com/63/I_just_pre_ordered___in_my_pants/#b

DOUBLE EDIT: What the shit is with this exclusive XBL stuff? Apparently they had to give the XBLA stuff some exclusive content to get the contract, but it looks like it's never coming to PC. I'm super bummed, no Gish.
 
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[quote name='dfg']Slickdeals and maybe one other, from what people are saying in the threads here. S'funny to see a guy who joined this month with just 1 feedback shy of me who's been here over 5 years, not that I trade a lot.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about Slickdeals, but we have a trading section, so there's really no reason why we wouldn't allow people to do Steam trades/group buys there. We did have a problem with people trying to organize group buys in the deal discussion thread, but those posts were moved or deleted.

But yes, hosting Steam group buys is an awesome way to legitimately increase your trade feedback. Like half of my trades are from doing that.
 
[quote name='Hydro2Oxide']DOUBLE EDIT: What the shit is with this exclusive XBL stuff? Apparently they had to give the XBLA stuff some exclusive content to get the contract, but it looks like it's never coming to PC. I'm super bummed, no Gish.[/QUOTE]

If it makes you feel any better, none of the PC-exclusive stuff (including the all-important level editor) will be coming to the 360 (or the Wii, for that matter), so it's not like there isn't anything to make up for it. The PC version is set to become the definitive version of the game, by my measure.
 
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I HAVE ACHIEVED VICTORY AND MUST PLANT MY FLAG IN THIS THREAD.
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That was a whole lot of fun. From my experience of beating VVVVVV and playing through almost all of Super Meat Boy's first stage/act/chapter/world, I kinda think I like VVVVVV more. I've seen some of the later Meat Boy levels which look brutal to the point of being disheartening, whereas VVVVVV at its worst seemed more manageable. Still looking forward to more Meat Boy though.
 
[quote name='52club']While the software on consoles is more reliable (in most cases), the hardware's reliability has been terrible. You couple that with the fact you can't easily replace parts it can be a major expense to have to buy a new console with the same hardware every couple of years. I suppose in your analogy this would be if that family vehicle was only known to last a couple of years.

Even the software issue starts to sway in the favor of PC in cases like the new Fallout game, since on the PC companies are able to provide patches without going through certification.

The couch thing is a point I really don't understand since PCs can easily be hooked up to HDTVs at this point.

All this said, I still think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as the opinion doesn't ignore the facts.[/QUOTE]

I disagree on console life span vs computer life span for two big reasons. First off console gaming has generally been extremely reliable up to this gen which outside the 360 is still fairly reliable. The PS2 had some issues at launch with DRE, but Sony fixed them and most people still have working fat PS2's and their original GC.....hell most of us still have working Nintendos and Super Nintendos if we kept them, how many PC gamers can say that about a PC they bought 15 years ago? The second big reason is because with a PC if you do not know what your doing your fucked when a single thing goes wrong. If something goes wrong with my console in the first year or two I generally can just return it to the store I bought it, if its after that a lot of times you can send it in to the manufacturer and they fix it for $100 regardless of whats wrong with it. If your a PC gamer and you are good with PCs you can fix it yourself...but often only after hours worth of diagnostic work and headaches and then discovering you need a new $200 graphics card. If you are a PC gamer and you do not know how to fix a PC(which is still most of the worlds population)you would be looking at $50-$200 to take it in to a PC expert and have them determine the problem, then another $100-$400 for parts and labor. Generally if something on your PC breaks and you can not fix it yourself your looking at $150-$300 easy.

So, as I said I disagree strongly there. I find consoles more reliable before this generation and pretty on par this generation. And I also find that fixing a PC that breaks down is pretty on par to a console that breaks if your a fix it yourself person, but vastly more expensive and annoying if your not.

As we seem to agree on at this point though I think this really comes down to your needs and your means. If you can build, fix and maintain your own PC then I think it works out quite a bit better for you, especially given the fact that PC developers are not pushing technology these last 5-6 years like they had the last decade or two. If you can not, well chances are you are not nearly as big of a PC fan.
 
[quote name='dfg']Is there an intelligent reason other forums were shutting down their users doing Steam group buys and we weren't?[/QUOTE]

Because we're better than them ;)

This sale was exciting because I just got a new MacBook pro so I can finally play some newer computer games. I was thinking about running parallels for the games that aren't Mac compatible. Anyone have any experience with that?
 
[quote name='52club']While the software on consoles is more reliable (in most cases), the hardware's reliability has been terrible. You couple that with the fact you can't easily replace parts it can be a major expense to have to buy a new console with the same hardware every couple of years. I suppose in your analogy this would be if that family vehicle was only known to last a couple of years.[/QUOTE]

Lifespan of Consoles
PS2 - 10 years
Xbox - 8 years
Gamecube - 6 years
N64 - 6 years
SNES - 8 years
Genesis - 8 years
NES - 10 years
All the above I never had to replaced. To date, I have only had to replace my current Xbox 360 and PS3. One of the 2 times my Xbox 360 went dead, Microsoft fixed for free.

Let's go onto the PC. First, your pricepoint to start is at least $800 for a PC that is equiped enough to play games. If your PC is dated 2-3 years old, you are most likely unable to play new top notch titles (i.e. Black Ops, Crysis 2, etc) without upgrading your equipment. Good Graphics cards can be almost 150-200 dollars (if you can't install yourself, add another 50+); price is now coming close to a new console. Beyond the hardware issues of having to upgrade to play newer top notch games, a computer is vulnerable to viruses. This would affect your lifespan of your computer.

My current computer is 3 years old (high end when purchased) and does not meet the requirements/recommended specs for Black Ops. My Xbox 360 does. ;)

To summerize, most consoles last 7+ years. In order to keep up with the new big titles on PC, you have to upgrade $200+ every 2 years. You are essentially replacing your system every 2 years vs consoles at every 7 years. To each their own...

Even the software issue starts to sway in the favor of PC in cases like the new Fallout game, since on the PC companies are able to provide patches without going through certification.
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I agree with this. For PC, you get patches, mods, etc quicker. Also, if your specs are really high, the games will look nicer. The average person though wont meet those specs; let alone the ability to play some games.
 
Pcs are great! Consoles are great! Both offer some different stuff, and video gaming's entertainment is wider because we have both! Some people prefer one or the other! Some people love both!

So... Steam deals?
 
Never thought I would say this but....I hate Super Meat Boy! I love platformers, its probably my fav genre! But Super Meat Boy is just junk. The controls are just so loose and frantic. Its trying to be old school, but I feel like when I play something like Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country etc etc they have very tight controls that let me turn on a dime and control my characters every movement. I feel like meat boy is one of those games on crack, he moves so amazingly freaking fast that I can never hit my targets not because I lack the skills to land on a tiny platform, but more because the character I am playing is a spastic freak. I have said it before...but hopefully I can follow it this time when I say that this is the last time I buy a game day one even if it has a decent discount!
 
I have a feeling that the debate should be split off to a separate thread, but since it's here and now there are a couple of points I wanted to chime in on.

[quote name='MSI Magus']If you are a PC gamer and you do not know how to fix a PC(which is still most of the worlds population)you would be looking at $50-$200 to take it in to a PC expert and have them determine the problem, then another $100-$400 for parts and labor. Generally if something on your PC breaks and you can not fix it yourself your looking at $150-$300 easy.[/QUOTE]

This comment here (while I understand it is to make a point in favor of consoles) is heavily dependent on your location and willingness to look up a computer technician on Google, in the phone book, or in the want ads. The prices quoted seem to be along the lines of work done at the Big Box stores as opposed to a smaller or one-man technician outfit. If you can find a technician with a small or one-man operation and you're a residential customer, you'll find that many of them will waive the diagnostic fee if you follow their recommendations in regards to repair (obviously there will be a diagnostic fee if you take your computer to another company for the repair work). Quite often you'll find that the technician is also an avid gamer, and some friendly chatter during the repair may net you a discounted rate and/or some extra tweaking to allow your machine to perform better for gaming.

For reference, I am a one man IT contracting company specializing primarily in small to medium medical offices. I also make house calls to residential homes, and I love to discuss gaming with my customers. I usually waive my diagnostic fee on residential customers if I handle the repair unless I have to travel more than 100 miles one way to your location. I also tend to sell parts to gaming customers for cost (even showing them where I order the parts if my source deals with retail customers) and rely on the installation fee for my income.

[quote name='lordopus99']To summerize, most consoles last 7+ years. In order to keep up with the new big titles on PC, you have to upgrade $200+ every 2 years. You are essentially replacing your system every 2 years vs consoles at every 7 years. To each their own...[/QUOTE]

This is a statement that I see made in almost every debate of this sort (well, usually they say the console lasts 5+ years and computers 1 year). While the numbers are true, I usually consider the context to be wrong for this kind of discussion.

Here's the issue. Consoles are static devices with relative few (if any until recently) changes to the hardware. While they are usually great quality when they first come out, 2 years down the road they look dated in comparison to new computers or newer consoles (I'm speaking major releases, not tweaks like the new slim versions of the consoles). The reason for this is because the hardware itself is manufactured by one company, and any one company (no matter how big) has only finite resources to devote to R/D (whether it's straight parts development, or researching better parts to incorporate). Computers, on the other hand, have thousands of different companies focusing on hundreds of different aspects of the hardware inside, all of which are coming out with a new latest and greatest product. As long as you are willing to spend the money, your computer will generally make your brand new console seem dated within a month.

Which brings us to the money issue again. As before, I really consider that the majority of people take this point out of context. Working in the business side of IT, I see a lot of new/younger companies spending thousands of dollars (sometimes millions) to constantly update their equipment to the latest specs. It's such a common occurrence that a lot of the latest software I see in the medical field has hardware specifications that make me pause and double-check to see if I'm looking at a video game system requirement instead of business software (there's a medical record company out there that put out a 2010 version of their product that includes a minimum requirement of 4GB RAM (pretty much forcing a 64-bit OS) and a quad core processor clocked at 3GHz for the desktop client). However, I also deal with older companies, businesses that have been around for 20-30 years, and see that they are still happily working on servers and computers built in the 80's. Sure, sourcing parts nowadays may cost as much as a new computer, but the savings that they have incurred by avoiding the rat-race of hardware makes those costs seem like chump change. (There's also a point to be made about the longevity of a computer being related to proper care and maintenance, but I really don't want to go into that here except to ask when was the last time you did a really thorough dusting inside your computer?)

The same can be held true for gaming computers. Yes, I'm a technician and know more about tweaking hardware and settings than the common user, but a lot of what I'm sharing has more to do with how you view your computer and gaming experience. You don't have to follow the recommended requirements on each new game. The recommended requirements almost always take into account new hardware advances, and if you rely only on those requirements then you will find yourself always buying new hardware. However, you'll find that the minimum requirements are (typically) only what you need to play your game, and that they are significantly less demanding than the recommended requirements. Upgrade only when there is a specific need that you really want to fulfill, do not upgrade to fulfill a developers need.

How does this apply to the console vs computer argument? Well, it's true that there is rarely an upgrade cost consider and low repair costs for consoles, but you have to understand that to achieve this the developers are forced to conform to the existing hardware. A couple of years after a major console is initially released to the market, it's the equivalent of running all games in minimum spec mode on a computer. That's why you start seeing issues with frame rate lagging getting worse after 3-4 years of a console being on the market, or this new issue with consoles using sub-HD images. Yes, a good developer works around this limitation (such as dropping images to sub-HD), but in the console vs computer debate you have to acknowledge that there simply is no option available to consoles, whereas computers have the option to upgrade.

Giving this view point, you'll find that a computer's shelf life in regards to gameplay is significantly longer. Yes, you won't get the greatest quality out of the games, but the quality is comparable to the compromises forced on to the developers and players on the consoles. My last gaming machine before my current build lasted 6 years with only a $40 video card upgrade in the middle (keep in mind, I'm a tech and I modded and tweaked the living daylights out of that machine). My current gaming computer is now 3 years old, with the only upgrade being a $120 video card this year simply (well, and new hard drives but that's related to pack-ratting Taiwan drama videos for my mother and not my gaming). That video card upgrade only came about because the video card in my HTPC died and I decided to migrate my gaming video card to the HTPC and spend a little extra on a new video card for my gaming computer.

As for the consoles... well. I happen to be fortunate enough to own all of the latest gen models (I've given away my older models since I made sure my PS3 was hardware PS2 compatible). I love the games I play on my consoles as much as I love the games on my computers, but in the long run, I doubt that I'd bother with a console at all if it weren't for exclusive titles.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Never thought I would say this but....I hate Super Meat Boy! I love platformers, its probably my fav genre! But Super Meat Boy is just junk. The controls are just so loose and frantic. Its trying to be old school, but I feel like when I play something like Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country etc etc they have very tight controls that let me turn on a dime and control my characters every movement. I feel like meat boy is one of those games on crack, he moves so amazingly freaking fast that I can never hit my targets not because I lack the skills to land on a tiny platform, but more because the character I am playing is a spastic freak. I have said it before...but hopefully I can follow it this time when I say that this is the last time I buy a game day one even if it has a decent discount![/QUOTE]

It certainly takes time to get used to. I was surprised how hard I found world 1, but as I continued I got used to the controls. When I came back to A+ the world and get all the bandages, the levels felt so easy because I was used to the way the game moved.
 
[quote name='Hydro2Oxide']It certainly takes time to get used to. I was surprised how hard I found world 1, but as I continued I got used to the controls. When I came back to A+ the world and get all the bandages, the levels felt so easy because I was used to the way the game moved.[/QUOTE]

I am going to keep trying it, but I just do not see myself adjusting to these controls. It reminds me of N+ on speed.
 
Yeah, I don't like N+, so I decided to pass on Super Meat Boy. That intentional kind of difficulty is just not for me. Whereas VVVVVV, for some reason, works a little better (though it stupidly lacks gamepad controls).
 
I like the fact that the controls aren't tight in SMB. I think the ability to steer your jumps so much allows them to make some really cool levels with opportunities for creative pathways if you're able to pull off some crazy jumps.

To me it's like the controls are tight, but they aren't...lol
 
I usually don't like games that are oppresively hard just for the sake of being hard. I am liking Super Meatboy though. Since there's no real punishment for failure your free to trial and error until you finally get it. Also, thus far, I don't find the difficulty to be impossibly hard.
 
New PC gamer here, first time in my nearly 20 years of gaming that I've had a PC that can play something (other than the measly WoW), and while I haven't had a chance to play Crysis, I have played Metro on high settings at 1920x1200 and it is stunning. Far better than any console game I've played this gen including the ps3 ones (god of war 3, uncharted 2, killzone 2).

Whether it's here, or on neogaf (which is where I go a lot), I laugh now at anyone who says console games look better, or even that they don't look "that" bad compared to PC. Yes they do look much worse, and while it's still pretty, it's still much worse than what it could be.
 
[quote name='SEH']I know this is all new and exciting, but Metro 2033 better than Uncharted 2? Lets not get carried away now.[/QUOTE]

The PC version? yes, a ton better and that's a fact simply because no matter how good U2 looks it's using hardware that is laughable in power compared to my computer. I think the ps3 is using something aroudn the power of an 8800. Not to mention my resolution is better and my cpu/ram is far better so I can push better textures than ps3 is capable of (not to mention DX11!!!!)

Now if U2 was on PC, then it would probably be among the top graphical powerhouses.

edit: now, U2 is probably the better game, but we were talking about graphics
 
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Did anyone else who got Just Cause 2 during the recent sale experience motion sickness while playing the game? I nearly lost my dinner last night after only playing the game for an hour. I haven't felt that bad since playing Half-Life 2 for an extended period of time. It's a major bummer too because I'm finding the action hero vibe of Just Cause 2 pretty fun overall.
 
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