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i tried to watch ecw last night but just couldnt get into it (the piper stuff was awesome) guess i'm just worn out with this whole Benoit thing. I hope i can enjoy smackdown on friday.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I can't really get into wrestling anymore... I watched it as a kid, but the one thing that made me really get into it was the Benoit / Bret Hart tribute match to Owen Hart on WCW... that made me go "Holy shit, wrestling is awesome" and I became a huge Benoit fan. I remember when the Radicalz showed up, and how insanely awesome that was (the days before internet spoiled everything), and even when I stopped watching wrestling for awhile I checked out the Booker T / Benoit best of 7.

For some reason, knowing what I know now, it's hard for me to watch any wrestling whatsoever, knowing what brought me into it =/

It's still too hard of a pill to swallow.
 
Pretty crappy ECW show. Way to bury the new champion by having him job to someone who only kids would like.

BTW, here's the non-spoiler match lineup for SD. From the sounds of it, they pretty much had no skits and it's just going to be matches.

Matt Hardy vs. Lance Cade

Ric Flair vs. Carlito

Chavo Guerrero vs. Funaki vs. Jamie Noble

Deuce & Domino vs. Cryme Tyme

Kane vs. MVP

Mickie James vs. Victoria

Eugene vs. Great Khali

Edge vs. Batista
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Why is Mickie James on Smackdown?[/QUOTE]

Why is Cryme Tyme on SD, for that matter?

Eugene pins Khali after a top rope hurricanrana in a five-star technical dream match that goes over 30 minutes.
 
I have been a wrestling fan for more years than some of you guys have been alive. Please explain why so many fans hate Cena. He is not the most technically sound wrestler b/ neither were Stone Cold or the Rock. I was at the Arnold Classic this year and Cena, Batista and HHH seemed to be nice guys walking amongst everyone, shaking hands and kissing babies.
 
[quote name='Bivensra']I have been a wrestling fan for more years than some of you guys have been alive. Please explain why so many fans hate Cena. He is not the most technically sound wrestler b/ neither were Stone Cold or the Rock. I was at the Arnold Classic this year and Cena, Batista and HHH seemed to be nice guys walking amongst everyone, shaking hands and kissing babies.[/QUOTE]

Cena also doesn't have a personality like Stone Cold and The Rock did. A boring catchphrase, unmemorable promo's, a champ who just stomps all over everyone and never, ever, ever loses.

Even The Rock dropped the belt and did matches not for the belt. Hell, Stone Cold vs Vince had nothing to do with the belt. Trips just did non belt stuff. Everything Cena does revolves around that damn belt like creative can't do shit for him anymore.

Bring back rapping Cena, please =/
 
[quote name='Bivensra']I have been a wrestling fan for more years than some of you guys have been alive. Please explain why so many fans hate Cena. He is not the most technically sound wrestler b/ neither were Stone Cold or the Rock. I was at the Arnold Classic this year and Cena, Batista and HHH seemed to be nice guys walking amongst everyone, shaking hands and kissing babies.[/QUOTE]

Stone Cold was technically sound enough to have a 5 star match with Bret Hart. Sure he was never the same after the Owen piledriver, but by then Austin had already gotten over and had more character in his pinky than Cena has in his whole body.

Same pretty much goes for the Rock.

And Roufuss I think I agree with you. I am pretty much done with the WWE for a while. TNA will be the only place I get my wrestling fix. The tired storylines, the lack of talent near the top of the card, and the most recent Benoit issue have driven me away. If Matt Hardy does finally get a push to the main event to fight Edge for the title, that would just about be the only thing that would have me interested.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Cena also doesn't have a personality like Stone Cold and The Rock did. A boring catchphrase, unmemorable promo's, a champ who just stomps all over everyone and never, ever, ever loses.

Even The Rock dropped the belt and did matches not for the belt. Hell, Stone Cold vs Vince had nothing to do with the belt. Trips just did non belt stuff. Everything Cena does revolves around that damn belt like creative can't do shit for him anymore.

Bring back rapping Cena, please =/[/QUOTE]

Good points and here are the counter points. I am in NJ and when I have been to shows the kids love him and are spending mom and dad's money at the stands. They seem to have a lot of disposable income. It is almost as if the bookers are trying to bring the Hulk thing back w/ overcoming ridiculous odds (Kali, Umaga, slamming huge guys, etc). It would be nice if Cena lost and has to fight his way back to the title. Word is that they are waiting for Trips to return.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']
And Roufuss I think I agree with you. I am pretty much done with the WWE for a while. TNA will be the only place I get my wrestling fix. The tired storylines, the lack of talent near the top of the card, and the most recent Benoit issue have driven me away. If Matt Hardy does finally get a push to the main event to fight Edge for the title, that would just about be the only thing that would have me interested.[/QUOTE]

I don't even think at this point I can even watch TNA - I watch these shows now, these entertainers putting themselves on the line not only physically, but mentally, almost every day, and I can't help but wonder what else is going on with anyone else that the stress of what they do is causing?

Benoit was the reason I started watching wrestling every week - I'm just not sure it's a tradition I can keep up anymore. It's not about the storyline's, the talent, it's more about still being in disbelief and just having a hard time watching anything having to do with wrestling due to the real life events that transpired.
 
[quote name='Bivensra']Good points and here are the counter points. I am in NJ and when I have been to shows the kids love him and are spending mom and dad's money at the stands. They seem to have a lot of disposable income. It is almost as if the bookers are trying to bring the Hulk thing back w/ overcoming ridiculous odds (Kali, Umaga, slamming huge guys, etc). It would be nice if Cena lost and has to fight his way back to the title. Word is that they are waiting for Trips to return.[/QUOTE]

Yes, we all know that Cena sells merchandise and how they are trying to build him up, but it doesn't make him any better of a champ for it and all it seems too forced and fake - having Cena destroy the entire roster doesn't make him credible, it just makes the show stupid.

He'll drop the belt to the H's eventually and it will seem like this huge ordeal that someone finally took the belt off Cena - WWE won't use this oppoturnity to, you know, push new talent, they'll use this opporunity to make Triple H look awesome. They will rattle off Cena's accomplishments and go "OMG Triple H is the best in the business to finally dethrone the champ!"
 
[quote name='Bivensra']I have been a wrestling fan for more years than some of you guys have been alive. Please explain why so many fans hate Cena. He is not the most technically sound wrestler b/ neither were Stone Cold or the Rock. I was at the Arnold Classic this year and Cena, Batista and HHH seemed to be nice guys walking amongst everyone, shaking hands and kissing babies.[/QUOTE]

FWIW, Austin was an outstanding technical wrestler until his neck was broken by Owen Hart.

Cena is a merchandise machine who is unconvincing in his "overcoming the odds" style of matches. Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin were believable, but Cena can't hold a candle to how their matches came off.

His promos are unrelated to feuds, far too frequently (less so recently, thankfully) delve into childish and homophobic taunts and catchphrases. It's disconcerting to watch a grown adult, on television and in public, say things roughly akin to a 2nd grader yelling "nyah, nyah, you're gay!" Well, it's not disconcerting, but (1) it certainly doesn't get me behind him, (2) it doesn't make me care about his opponent or view him as a threat, and (3) pushes my interest away from the feud.

Cena is also kind of a forced character. When HHH was "Hunter Hearst Helmsley," he was a "Connecticut blueblood." A member of the upper-crust, a privileged brat who knew it and exploted it. To me, Cena comes across, realistically, as just that. If they packaged Cena the way they did the "Mean Street Posse" or "Kerwin White," I'd be all about it, because he's *clearly* an upper-middle-class brat who faced zero hardship his whole life. Cena as the street-smart thuggish character is contrary to who he is. It's hard to believe someone always has the odds stacked against them when their whole life seems to have come about as a result of the odds benefiting them time and time again.

Cena is, for lack of a better phrase, a "poseur." Now, many wrestlers are, as they are playing characters. However, to be an ultra-hot babyface or heel, the fans have to *believe*. I believed in "Hulkamania," and I believed Steve Austin was a big dumb hick. Cena? That guy is more forced than the Gobbledy$$$$er.

Now, there is one very interesting thing about John Cena: that is, who will the WWE put up against him to fight and defeat next? They love the merchandise money he brings in, so they have to fight the split crowd and push him as a mega babyface akin to Austin or Hogan. So they have him beat everyone on the fucking planet week after week, thinking "oh, boy, if he beats 45 wrestlers in one night, the crowd will respect him!" And, of course, it makes those who like him continue to like him, and those who dislike him have greater reason to see him as being forced down our throats. Nevertheless, seeing the extent to which WWE will bury every one of their talents to get Cena over (a fool's errand) is really damned funny and entertaining, IMO. I hear they're in negotiations with Megalon to take on Cena at Survivor Series.;)
 
Cena is worst champion the wwe has had in a long time..fans know he isn't real with his Dr Seuss dialogue...and gimmick..the problem is that he put a cd and has really embraced the persona.. what would be cool would have been him bucking the system..telling Vinnie mac that he wasn't doing the whole song and dance...but wait..that was kind of Austin's line..
 
Again good points. I feel educated b/c for the life of me I sat in the stands w/ my son and as he cheered his face off, guys around me were letting Cena have it. Re his upbringing Muscle and Fitness had him as the cover guy approx a year ago and from the article it does not appear that he was a child of privilege. He claims that he has always been a fan of wrestling and fan of the hip hop culture. When Trips walked by at the Arnold he had on a suit so I could not get a good gage of what type of shape he was in b/ he walked by unaided w/ a normal stride. Maybe he will come back by Summer Slam.
 
Someone kindof alluded to it a couple posts up, but has anyone heard how HHH's rehab is going? I've heard some promotional materials have him against I think Cena at Summerslam. Hopefully we get him back soon, but if the current plan is to have Cena continue his run for a while , I can't see HHH facing him because he would lose his first feud back. Since there is no indication of Cena losing anytime soon, anyone think another Orton/HHH feud is possible since Orton bragged about taking him out when he got injured in the first place?
 
Has anyone heard any information on Shane Helms? Last I heard, he had some sort of neck injury, but I'm not entirely positive if I heard that correctly or not.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Has anyone heard any information on Shane Helms? Last I heard, he had some sort of neck injury, but I'm not entirely positive if I heard that correctly or not.[/quote]

He had neck surgery and is aiming for a return by next April.
 
I was just listening to my play list on the Computer here and I didn't notice it last night because of the (non) intro to ECW, but they need a new theme song and fast. Drowning Pool has gotta go for now.
 
Is it still that damn "Bodies" song? I wasn't paying enough attention last night.

At any rate, they were using that stupid song back before September 11th as well and dropped it then. Perhaps it's time to shelve it entirely seeing as how it's a shitty song that becomes even shittier when certain things happen.
 
[quote name='ndshide']Someone kindof alluded to it a couple posts up, but has anyone heard how HHH's rehab is going? I've heard some promotional materials have him against I think Cena at Summerslam. Hopefully we get him back soon, but if the current plan is to have Cena continue his run for a while , I can't see HHH facing him because he would lose his first feud back. Since there is no indication of Cena losing anytime soon, anyone think another Orton/HHH feud is possible since Orton bragged about taking him out when he got injured in the first place?[/QUOTE]


Trips was at the Arnold Classic a couple of months ago w/ Batista and Cena signing autographs and kissing babies. When asked about his return from my understanding he said he was on schedule. He walked by me and was walking fine b/ w/ the severity of the injury that does not mean that he can go into the ring and bang around. Injury aside he is also spending time w/ the baby.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']The last few drops of respect I ever had for Randy Savage have now been killed.[/quote]

I see it's become trendy again to just spout pointless stupidity. :roll:
 
[quote name='evanft']Isn't that being redundant at this point?[/quote]

I dunno that was a pretty silly comment from Tangy. Especially when most wrestling fans thought this week's ECW show was great. Do you honestly expect Nitro to beat Cena?

Cena embodies the clean-cut, wholesome, kiddies' favorite. While I can't endorse jobbing Nitro out in his first match as ECW champion, I do follow the logic in bringing Cena out there for the first post-tragedy win.

Furthermore, Cena didn't just squash Nitro. There was some good offense on both sides, and Nitro almost looked like he could win the match at one point.

Beyond that, there was a classic Piper segment and a very good match between CM Punk and Elijah Burke, what more do you want?
 
I'm trying to name them all in the video. Hogan on bass (obviously), George Steele on...what - tambourine? On one side we have Randy Savage, my only guess on the middle one is Brutus Beefcake, and holy shit...Jake Roberts!

As for the other side...I can only make out Junkyard Dog, cause well...yeah. Who are the other two?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']B. Brian Blair and Jumpin' Jim Brunzell, a/k/a The Killer Bees.[/QUOTE]

Ha, the same Brian Blair from the Sheik video?
 
Oh SNAP....

TNA Today's video just talked about a midwest tour.

:pray: PLEASE COME TO MN! :pray:

Oh, and....

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_blbgvCPo[/media]

:rofl:
 
I wonder if they're dropping the whole "McMahon is dead" storyline. Cause he was on the tribute show and also they've started mentioning him again on WWE.com since he did the Today show this morning.

Zen, the reason I said that about Nitro was. They should've at least had someone job to him before completely feeding him to Cena. It's basically like "Here's your show's world champion, now watch him get buried by someone that has little draw due to refusal to lose the WWE title".

As for Benoit, WWE, the company itself, isn't bashing him, but some others are. Victoria posted on her myspace page calling Benoit selfish and old WCW announcer Scott Hudson posted on 1wrestling that Benoit was a SOB. Speaking of this, I wonder if they'll edit out every mention of Benoit when they release Vengeance on DVD.
 
You bet they will; they already pulled some 24/7 stuff this month that had Benoit on it.

On one hand, I don't blame them in the slightest. On the other, each time a "best of..." video is released, and he is intentionally omitted, it's going to seem quite ingenuine. Notable by his absence, at any rate. It's a very tough spot to be in.
 
[quote name='Brak']I wonder how this Benoit disaster is going to change WWE...[/quote]

Probably more and more drug test, sounds like he stockpiled steroids at his house. Apparently the last drug test he did was back in April.
 
[quote name='Brak']I wonder how this Benoit disaster is going to change WWE...[/quote]

I would hope more people speaking up about steroids, the formation of a union, and a reduction to a REASONABLE schedule for the wrestlers would be in order, but I doubt it.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I would hope more people speaking up about steroids, the formation of a union, and a reduction to a REASONABLE schedule for the wrestlers would be in order, but I doubt it.[/QUOTE]

None of that will even come close to being considered. Vince is vehemently anti-union, vehemently anti-'season', and pays lip service to being anti-steroid (though, if you read WWE's policy, they allow anabolic steroids if they are prescribed by a doctor).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']None of that will even come close to being considered. Vince is vehemently anti-union, vehemently anti-'season', and pays lip service to being anti-steroid (though, if you read WWE's policy, they allow anabolic steroids if they are prescribed by a doctor).[/quote]

Yeah, I know it's wishful thinking.
 
[quote name='motorkill']Whats the main event?[/quote]

Rhino vs. Angle vs. Christian for the world title.

That match will take up most of the show according to the spoilers. According to the spoilers, it's a 30 minute match. The only other match will be VKM vs. the Bashams.
 
See now I know I won't get to see Impact tonight, so I'm totally tempted to click that spoiler button. However, I know if I do, I'll manage to catch the show.
 
Thanks tangytangerine. Im not a Rhino fan, but I really enjoyed the Stell cage match he had with Christian awhile back. Should be good.
 
[quote name='Halo05']See now I know I won't get to see Impact tonight, so I'm totally tempted to click that spoiler button. However, I know if I do, I'll manage to catch the show.[/quote]

Not really a spoiler to the match. I just tell what other match is on the show and how long the world title match is.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I dunno that was a pretty silly comment from Tangy. Especially when most wrestling fans thought this week's ECW show was great. Do you honestly expect Nitro to beat Cena?

Cena embodies the clean-cut, wholesome, kiddies' favorite. While I can't endorse jobbing Nitro out in his first match as ECW champion, I do follow the logic in bringing Cena out there for the first post-tragedy win.

Furthermore, Cena didn't just squash Nitro. There was some good offense on both sides, and Nitro almost looked like he could win the match at one point.

Beyond that, there was a classic Piper segment and a very good match between CM Punk and Elijah Burke, what more do you want?[/quote]

I have to agree with you. I thought Nitro came off looking very good in that match and was suprised they didn't have him job in 2 minutes with no offense to *gasp* John Cener. Plus the Punk/Burke match was interesting, and I liked the 2 out of 3 falls. I haven't watched ECW in a long time, but I was pleased with what I saw.
 
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