The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus (Banned Users Thread)

Status
Not open for further replies.
[quote name='Thomas96']I'm still waiting for someone (MOD) or anyone to find a post where TMK said something really disrespectful to one of the users here on CAG...[/QUOTE]
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3591124&postcount=36
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571176&postcount=48
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565687&postcount=45
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3498423&postcount=22
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3599890&postcount=107
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3598748&postcount=101

[quote name='Thomas96']for the betterment of CAG... you need to go! I didn't realize that you so blatantly stated that you were the one who booted TMK.
The whole CAG site is for people to come and express their opinions, because you're so simple minded that it irks you that someone is expresssing an opinion about something you don't like, you take the one little miniscule piece of power you have in the world and use it to act like an idiot. Congratulations...



how about.. you go and unban him....[/QUOTE]
You sure do know how to finesse your way to getting what you want.
 
When CAG first came around it was a pretty friendly environment without too much Fanboyism. I even submitted several deals to this site that mad front page, my memorable being Otogi where Cheapy D himself said this deal owns.

Now with all these members It's getting harder to find deals, but when I find them I post them.

However, TMK has posted nothing deal related or anything that has benefited outside of his extreme fanboyism that was more of a annoyance then anything else.

I am pretty decent supporter of Nintendo and Microsoft, less Sony. However, TMK was insanely defense about Sony to the point where he would just reject all of your arguments if it any form was negative about Sony or along the lines of "Microsoft has better..." that didn't exist to TMK. He became so annoying with his pro-Sony arguments that you couldn't post anywhere in a Sony related thread without him spewing hundreds of posts as to why Sony is great, and our God, etc.

I'm not going to point out the examples of why TMK was a loyal Sony fan and would go to the end of the earth to defend them, because his posts speak for himself. Take a look at his post history, the option to view anyones post history is there for a reason, and you can even view my post past for my contributions.

Needless to say I am glad TMK is gone and CAG is a better place without him and I will not miss him one bit. If your here to view deals and do nothing else then be a lurker, but if your here to post at least post something worthwhile and intelligent and not be a spewing fanboy.
 
 
goldberg2


WHO'S NEXT?
 
:lol:

[quote name='Liquid 2']I think we can all agree that even a temp ban would not have discouraged TMK from doing his thing.[/QUOTE]

This.

Does anyone else find it funny that so many folks seems to be dragging this off topic and onto themselves or what they want to argue, where that's the very reason for TMK's banning?
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']those are hardly permaban worthy considering some things others say, and in several of those he was obviously provoked.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I know. I never said those were ban worthy.

He asked to point out posts where he has been disrespectful to users and I just grabbed a few.

As for being provoked, I've yet to see ThatManaKnight be involved in an argument he didn't start himself, one way or another.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I'm still waiting for someone (MOD) or anyone to find a post where TMK said something really disrespectful to one of the users here on CAG...[/quote]
You want examples? I got examples. Here's a few posts from the last few weeks from him. They range from: lying about 360/Wii game prices, calling other people trolls(!), arguing with users because they are spreading 'Sony FUD', arguing with people for 'hurting Sony's reputation', admitting he gets very angry at people who 'fire' at any console/handheld he likes, calling people 'fucking idiots', explaining how he deals with Sony hate everywhere he goes, telling people their posts cause cancer, bashing MS/360, admitting he loves fighting with 'cocky Wii60 fanboys', hypocritically making a PS3 thread to brag about sales while complaining other users make threads about Wii/360 sales, and finding out if people are PS3 owners so he knows to 'be nice to them.'

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3610572#post3610572
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565195&postcount=18
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565823&postcount=23
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3566424&postcount=27
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571777&postcount=59
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571176&postcount=48
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3602305&postcount=89
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3599890&postcount=107
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3595789&postcount=9
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3591128&postcount=38
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3589280&postcount=12


Oh, and he mentions that he was banned twice at GAF; it couldn't be for trolling, could it?.

Also, if anybody missed it, check out the AIM conversation a few pages back. TMK admits he's been causing shit for the past year here.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']...but I believe some people said he contributed to his regional deal forum.[/QUOTE]

That was me.

[quote name='Monsta Mack']....TMK has posted nothing deal related or anything that has benefited outside of his extreme fanboyism...[/QUOTE]

Wrong. He was helpful at times in the Indiana Deals thread, and he was agreeable as far as I saw.


He may have been out of line at times, but as I've said before, there were people that baited the hell out of him and got sheer joy out of tormenting him.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Yeah, I'm very happy with the way things have gone. Some of the posts that have come in in the last hour-or-so have been less than impressive, but what's one page among many?


He took my meager pass and got himself a slam dunk.[/quote]
'Twas a beautiful assist. You are the Stockton to his Malone.

It's been posted a few times already but this discussion has revived the subject of the need for more mods/forum guides. Once we get some definitive responses from Cheapy on this subject I hope he'll revive the assignment process. I've been impressed with the forum guides so far and some more should help.

Also, the option of using the ignore list has not been mentioned nearly enough. I don't know Cheapy's position on this but I would think that would be the first option (for the most part) mods suggest when one user first has a complaint about another. If the mods don't have a fixed set of steps to take in regards to situations like this I think Cheapy and the mods should hammer one out.
 
[quote name='omgu8myrice']the mods need to start acting more like role models instead of arguing with other people and cursing every sentence[/quote]

You need to start using the punctuation keys on your keyboard and using the "Shift" key to capitalize letters.
 
[quote name='Trakan']You want examples? I got examples. Here's a few posts from the last few weeks from him. They range from: lying about 360/Wii game prices, calling other people trolls(!), arguing with users because they are spreading 'Sony FUD', arguing with people for 'hurting Sony's reputation', admitting he gets very angry at people who 'fire' at any console/handheld he likes, calling people 'fucking idiots', explaining how he deals with Sony hate everywhere he goes, telling people their posts cause cancer, bashing MS/360, admitting he loves fighting with 'cocky Wii60 fanboys', hypocritically making a PS3 thread to brag about sales while complaining other users make threads about Wii/360 sales, and finding out if people are PS3 owners so he knows to 'be nice to them.'

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3610572#post3610572
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565195&postcount=18
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565823&postcount=23
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3566424&postcount=27
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571777&postcount=59
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571176&postcount=48
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3602305&postcount=89
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3599890&postcount=107
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3595789&postcount=9
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3591128&postcount=38
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3589280&postcount=12


Oh, and he mentions that he was banned twice at GAF; it couldn't be for trolling, could it?.

Also, if anybody missed it, check out the AIM conversation a few pages back. TMK admits he's been causing shit for the past year here.[/quote]

The point is that people have been doing far worse than that and still haven't been banned. This isn't GAF and the fact is that a large number of major board posters, all douchebag arguments aside, are calling for you to reconsider the ban and reconsider how you went about banning him in the first place and if you won't take those things into mind, they're calling for Cheapy to do it in your place.

I mean how would you react if I called you "batshit insane" like Never4Ever called Mana Knight? If you weren't a moderator, I'm sure you drop the F-bomb a few times as a retort.

It's not about who banned The Mana Knight anymore.

It's about who will unban him.
 
[quote name='Heavy Hitter']
Wrong. He was helpful at times in the Indiana Deals thread, and he was agreeable as far as I saw.
.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I didn't research regional/local deals so that's good to know. Still, a few local deals isn't going to save him here compared to his *overall* contribution which needs to be challenged.

I am getting a good kick out of how many people say he should have been temp banned when they fail to realize this guy was banned on other sites as well as being unrelenting, it would be only a matter of time before he was perma banned, then what? But since Mike Tyson is able to hold pigeons in his hand without crushing them these days, you people probably believe otherwise :)

The mods have done pretty good with this site from what I've seen, and if you people believe otherwise now is the time to voice your concerns with concrete backup, and tell us how *you* could make this a better place. The Mods are going in the right direction with the start of this banning and I hope more is to come to those that wish to cause nothing but trouble.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Sorry I didn't research regional/local deals so that's good to know. Still, a few local deals isn't going to save him here compared to his *overall* contribution which needs to be challenged.

I am getting a good kick out of how many people say he should have been temp banned when they fail to realize this guy was banned on other sites as well as being unrelenting, it would be only a matter of time before he was perma banned, then what? But since Mike Tyson is able to hold pigeons in his hand without crushing them these days, you people probably believe otherwise :)

The mods have done pretty good with this site from what I've seen, and if you people believe otherwise now is the time to voice your concerns with concrete backup, and tell us how *you* could make this a better place. The Mods are going in the right direction with the start of this banning and I hope more is to come to those that wish to cause nothing but trouble.[/quote]

Just because he didn't contribute to the Deals forum doesn't mean he didn't contribute elsewhere. I personally do not contribute to the Deals forum, but I like to think that I have added a lot to the Nintendo forums. Does that make me a worthless poster? I'd like to hope not.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']The point is that people have been doing far worse than that and still haven't been banned. This isn't GAF and the fact is that a large number of major board posters, all douchebag arguments aside, are calling for you to reconsider the ban and reconsider how you went about banning him in the first place and if you won't take those things into mind, they're calling for Cheapy to do it in your place.

I mean how would you react if I called you "batshit insane" like Never4Ever called Mana Knight? If you weren't a moderator, I'm sure you drop the F-bomb a few times as a retort.

It's not about who banned The Mana Knight anymore.

It's about who will unban him.[/quote]

Care to provide some evidence to back up the claim "people have been doing far worse than that and still haven't been banned". If they have then they should be banned, but I don't see anyone doing it as much as TMK. I could be wrong though.

I had TMK on my ignore list and that works to some extent, except for the amount of people who quote his juvenile ranting.

There is a few people who are very vocal about him being un-banned, but it's not all one-sided, I for one am glad to be rid of him.
 
[quote name='Heavy Hitter']Him being banned at GAF has nothing to do with happened here.[/QUOTE]

But it proves his inability to follow simple rules without putting himself in such a situation.

Zen Davis: No, I feel that if your willing to give your community/forum weathful knowledge and useful feedback then your doing good. It's only if you decide to be disrepectful for others opinions/bash that it becomes wrong. TMK was a professional at not allowing others to speak their mind/have objective views about Sony. BTW I read your Manhunt posts/thread before it was released on the Wii and your impressions proved worthwhile to my actual decision on to purchase the game which I didn't. Therefore you did contribute.
 
How simple were the rules there? What were the exact circumstances that got him banned there?

In the end, I don't think it should matter anyway. Handle someone based on the merits of what they do here.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Care to provide some evidence to back up the claim "people have been doing far worse than that and still haven't been banned".[/quote]
I'm not going to make this about who should be banned and who shouldn't be banned because that's not the intent of this thread and I'm not going to take it in that direction.
 
[quote name='Heavy Hitter']How simple were the rules there? What were the exact circumstances that got him banned there?

In the end, I don't think it should matter anyway. Handle someone based on the merits of what they do here.[/QUOTE]

Again, does it matter? Multiple bannings should be a warning sign as it is now. His banning is legit and was decided by a Mod, who is higher authority then us and chosen by Cheapy himself. Again, he was banned multiple times before. In my years of suffering the interwebz I have never been banned, you know why? Because I follow the rules.

There is no real say against it for sure, although you should voice your opinion as to why he shouldn't be banned which your saying is local deals, but we have to weight that against his other issues as well.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'].[/quote]

I can think of at least one mod in specific who banned someone and cursed him out with profanities in the process. Of course I believe the thread with the evidence in question has been deleted to save that mods position. I'm glad to see that Cheapy has posted the above but it still doesn't change the fact that when the party involved contacted Cheapy to complain about the unfair ban and profanity ridden rebuttals from the mod . . . NOTHING happened!

Oh well, 'tis quite amusing to see what is coming out from the community now that they have a place to vent their frustrations without the thread being locked!

Later,

Alex
 
[quote name='alexandertyler']I can think of at least one mod in specific who banned someone and cursed him out with profanities in the process. Of course I believe the thread with the evidence in question has been deleted to save that mods position. I'm glad to see that Cheapy has posted the above but it still doesn't change the fact that when the party involved contacted Cheapy to complain about the unfair ban and profanity ridden rebuttals from the mod . . . NOTHING happened!

Oh well, 'tis quite amusing to see what is coming out from the community now that they have a place to vent their frustrations without the thread being locked!

Later,

Alex[/quote]
If this is the case, Cheapy should cleanly come out and explain what happened there. Sometimes people are just too busy to take notice, as I've personally experienced from Cheapy, but I'd like to hear what went on there. I'm not saying that Cheapy should answer to us. Just that it wouldn't hurt to have some discussion about the direction of CAG. He is but of course the captain. :)

[quote name='Monsta Mack']But it proves his inability to follow simple rules without putting himself in such a situation.

Zen Davis: No, I feel that if your willing to give your community/forum weathful knowledge and useful feedback then your doing good. It's only if you decide to be disrepectful for others opinions/bash that it becomes wrong. TMK was a professional at not allowing others to speak their mind/have objective views about Sony. BTW I read your Manhunt posts/thread before it was released on the Wii and your impressions proved worthwhile to my actual decision on to purchase the game which I didn't. Therefore you did contribute.[/quote]
No worries. I'm just keeping it respectful.

The thing is that I hope that the mods show a little flexibility in dealing with the community instead of trying to be all "WE ARE THE LAW!" Enough people have asked politely that TMK should be given one last chance that I think the mods and Cheapy should allow it.

If he blows it though, that's on him. I won't go to bat for him again and we'll have learned our lesson. I just think that ostracizing people without even a temp ban is not the way to go and sets a poor standard for the site.
 
Why should he be given another chance?

So the next time he gets banned, we'll get "The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus 2: Electric Boogaloo" ?
 
[quote name='zewone']Why should he be given another chance?

So the next time he gets banned, we'll get "The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus 2: Electric Boogaloo" ?[/QUOTE]

:applause: Exactly. :applause:
 
[quote name='zewone']Why should he be given another chance?

So the next time he gets banned, we'll get "The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus 2: Electric Boogaloo" ?[/quote]

I know you wanted to use that line so badly that you couldn't help but post but I already answered your question.

If he blows it though, that's on him. I won't go to bat for him again and we'll have learned our lesson. I just think that ostracizing people without even a temp ban is not the way to go and sets a poor standard for the site.
Click to expand...
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I know you wanted to use that line so badly that you couldn't help but post but I already answered your question.[/QUOTE]

Why does he deserve a Temp Ban? The mods said they warned him many many many times. Warnings didn't work so why would a Temp Ban work?
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']Why does he deserve a Temp Ban? The mods said they warned him many many many times. Warnings didn't work so why would a Temp Ban work?[/quote]
Because common courtesy to the community wouldn't kill them. Not all of the community of course. But the majority of whom posted here did seem to ask that TMK be unbanned. He wasn't a spammer and temp bans are in place for a reason. They should be used as such.

Hardballing everything isn't cool and it doesn't make you anymore of a man.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']
trolling and insults have gotten way out of hand and we want to do our best to get it straightened out. Also as DaPhatty mentioned, just as you guys can report posts for spam and incorrect forum posting, you can report users, please do so. We are human just like the rest of you and while we try to read as many threads as we can to clean them up, we do miss a lot, this is where you guys come in. If you see someone breaking the TOS, report them please.[/QUOTE]


Like calling Blu ray supporters Smurfs to get under their skin?
 
no...Zen you are wrong on this...if he is banned he should stay banned..i they change that then what does that prove.. that a person who has a huge group of people who like the person can sway how long bans last...
 
[quote name='DJSteel']no...Zen you are wrong on this...if he is banned he should stay banned..i they change that then what does that prove.. that a person who has a huge group of people who like the person can sway how long bans last...[/quote]

I don't like him. I barely know him. I honestly don't think the majority of people like Mana Knight. It has more to do with the principles of the permanent ban.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']no...Zen you are wrong on this...if he is banned he should stay banned..i they change that then what does that prove.. that a person who has a huge group of people who like the person can sway how long bans last...[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with liking him, but doing what's right
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Because common courtesy to the community wouldn't kill them. Not all of the community of course. But the majority of whom posted here did seem to ask that TMK be unbanned. He wasn't a spammer and temp bans are in place for a reason. They should be used as such.

Hardballing everything isn't cool and it doesn't make you anymore of a man.[/QUOTE]
..
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I know you wanted to use that line so badly that you couldn't help but post but I already answered your question.[/QUOTE]
You're but one person.

What's to stop someone else from making another "Save ThatManaKnight" thread?
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I'm still waiting for someone (MOD) or anyone to find a post where TMK said something really disrespectful to one of the users here on CAG...[/QUOTE]
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160140
See my quote of TMK before he changed it. He called this guy a microsoft viral marketer for no apparent reason. This was in the general gaming area, the guy did not attack Sony in any way. I'm sure it would be easy to dig up more stuff if someone really wants to. Besides that, I believe that any mod has the power to unban him, so I would say that it's unanimous that they believe he should be banned.
 
Can a mod explain to me, given the swell of support for the action from many of the high-profile members in this thread, what would be so bad about letting him back in under probabtion and if he still doesn't change, getting him the permanent boot? Like Zen, I would not go to bat for him at all under these circumstances.

But for now, I'm on the side of our CAG staff treating people fairly and properly, which I'm not convinced happened in this case.
 
[quote name='docvinh']http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160140
See my quote of TMK before he changed it. He called this guy a microsoft viral marketer for no apparent reason. This was in the general gaming area, the guy did not attack Sony in any way. I'm sure it would be easy to dig up more stuff if someone really wants to. Besides that, I believe that any mod has the power to unban him, so I would say that it's unanimous that they believe he should be banned.[/QUOTE]
He said it in reference to the guys sig, and if the guy was offended by that he should be banned. I don't see how calling someone a "MS viral marketer" is offensive.
 
[quote name='whoknows']He said it in reference to the guys sig, and if the guy was offended by that he should be banned. I don't see how calling someone a "MS viral marketer" is offensive.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the guy was offended, but he asked a question and didn't deserve to get attacked for no reason. I think the fact that TMK changed what he said would suggest that even he knew it was wrong.
 
[quote name='docvinh']I don't think the guy was offended, but he asked a question and didn't deserve to get attacked for no reason. I think the fact that TMK changed what he said would suggest that even he knew it was wrong.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but then you went and did the same thing to TMK by calling him a Sony CEO or whatever which is a little hypocritical for you to complain about TMK when you did the same thing to him.

You may have been defending the OP of that thread, but still...
 
[quote name='whoknows']Yeah, but then you went and did the same thing to TMK by calling him a Sony CEO or whatever which is a little hypocritical for you to complain about TMK when you did the same thing to him.

You may have been defending the OP of that thread, but still...[/QUOTE]
I think that's when he changed it, and I was clearly pointing out that if he was going to throw stones in his glass house, he should probably think about it a bit more.
 
[quote name='docvinh']I think that's when he changed it, and I was clearly pointing out that if he was going to throw stones in his glass house, he should probably think about it a bit more.[/QUOTE]
Still, that's not even close to a possible reason to be banned. We're talking about offensive things TMK has said, and I can't see how calling someone a MS viral marketer is offensive.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']I'm not going to make this about who should be banned and who shouldn't be banned because that's not the intent of this thread and I'm not going to take it in that direction.[/QUOTE]


How about you go and make a new thread... This thread is about... the unfair banning of TMK, and now.. what mod is going to step in do the right thing by unbanning him.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Still, that's not even close to a possible reason to be banned. We're talking about offensive things TMK has said, and I can't see how calling someone a MS viral marketer is offensive.[/QUOTE]
The main point is that he was attacking someone for asking a question for no real reason at all.
 
If the only thing that comes of this thread is TMK being unbanned, then it would be a total loss. It's not just about him.

Currently, there are no set rules for when bans (permanent or otherwise) should be enforced. We have the TOS, but even that is selectively enforced.

Many have said it before, but I just want to make it clear. This isn't just about TMK. It's about defining a clear set of rules for when bans are necessary, making sure that punishments are being justly enforced, and that every member is treated equally. No matter who you are, how many posts you have, how many deals you've submitted, or who you happen to be friends with. The rules should equally apply to everybody.

One major suggestion in working toward this goal is the Banned User thread, which has been outlined in the OP and refined throughout this entire thread. This would add accountability to moderator actions, just in case somebody flies off the handle. Nobody is infallible, and that includes CAG staff. As somebody said previously in this thread, it creates a system of checks & balances. It's the job of the moderators to keep the community in line, but it's also the job of the community to keep the moderators in line. Everybody wins.

This isn't a TMK issue. This is a CAG issue.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']How about you go and make a new thread... This thread is about... the unfair banning of TMK, and now.. what mod is going to step in do the right thing by unbanning him.[/quote]
Don't be a douchebag. You post is entirely self-serving and can easily be used as ammo for not doing anything at all.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']You know, attacking other users goes against the TOS. For somebody who is in favor of the banning, I find it ironic that you're so quick to break the TOS.[/quote]

I'll be sure to address my next reponse to false accusations w/ ''Dear Sir, I believe you are in the wrong!''

:roll:
 
[quote name='The Crotch']

No, he shouldn't. That's a little hypocritical of you.[/QUOTE]
Well TMK got offended for stupid reasons, so if that guy got offended for that (a very stupid reason) then he should be banned too.

Of course he wasn't, so it's not a big deal. The guy defending him is the one who appeared to be the offended one.
 
[quote name='TFN']I'll be sure to address my next reponse to false accusations w/ ''Dear Sir, I believe you are in the wrong!''

:roll:[/quote]
False what? I do believe that is indeed a racial slur in your post. I'm sure the moderators can find many more like it in your posts.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3630998&postcount=82

Oh look. You do it again here.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3631333&postcount=129

How about this beauty?

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3631346&postcount=134
 
[quote name='whoknows']Well TMK got offended for stupid reasons, so if that guy got offended for that (a very stupid reason) then he should be banned too.

Of course he wasn't, so it's not a big deal. The guy defending him is the one who appeared to be the offended one.[/QUOTE]
People wanted an example of him doing something, I merely provided one example.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
bread's done
Back
Top