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[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Your reading skills lack development... I was replying to your statement about Ric Flair not being on the WM card, why else would I have mentioned last years MITB match, in which neither Nitro or Mercury participated in?[/quote]

Alright then MY reading skills do lack development, what do you want I'm a horse...
 
This just came in...

Jeff Jarrett made his TNA return at the tapings tonight. He gave AJ Styles a guitar smash during Styles's match against Samoa Joe - no idea which show that match is going to be on as of yet. The Impact Zone cheered for JJ.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']That was the worst mini-promo ever...Matt finally has an opportunity to cut a promo on Edge again after he fucked up the first time way back when, then comes off as non-threatening as possible, and insults Edge for having a slutty ex-girlfriend. The same ex-girlfriend who dumped him.

Finlay's "VERBAL DIARRHEA" line was nice, though.[/quote]

I liked how Jeff used his promo to call out Matt... he was doing alright (for a Hardy) and then all of a sudden he throws that in there, makes no sense.

Matt's was sad. There's a reason that despite the huge pops Matt was getting, he didn't get pushed. Regardless of what he may think, or what backstage politics were at play, Matt simply struggles to cut a good promo when it matters most.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This deserves an emphatic "DUDE!"

DUDE! Bald Eugene looks like Ivan fucking Koloff!

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I thought he looked more like Rory. Pity the Highlanders have ninja-vanished, as well as, all the other gimmick-heavy tag teams WWE was starting to put out. Word on the street is Deuce & Domino are already toast. That does not please his majesty.

[quote name='KaneRobot']Uh...what was the ending that they came back to after the final commercial? I was watching Rasheed Wallace's 3/4 court shot on the Pistons site, but it was only 30 seconds long. I came back to wrestling to see the WWE logo fade out.[/quote]

That was AMAZING! I was watching Raw with my friend flipping back and forth between the Piston game and the 2 hour WM infomercial, and despite the fact that Denver had the ball, up 3 with 1.5 seconds left, I had this quirky feeling that something cool was about to happen. Next thing you know we're both jumping out of our seats as Rasheed hits a miracle shot.

Back on track... wouldn't WWE creative have shown a little more originality had Cena given Michaels Sweet Chin Music? Think of all the potential boos on that one with the heat Cena already had.
 
It's official - Joey's gone thanks to the wellness policy. NoDQ.com is reporting the random drug tests they did last week came back negative for him.

It's a shame, though. Taking a shot at Stephanie would make him 10x cooler in my book, and a friggin' GOD had he gone to TNA.
 
[quote name='JJSP']It's official - Joey's gone thanks to the wellness policy. NoDQ.com is reporting the random drug tests they did last week came back negative for him.

It's a shame, though. Taking a shot at Stephanie would make him 10x cooler in my book, and a friggin' GOD had he gone to TNA.[/QUOTE]

You know, I'm surprised WWE isn't more vocal about who the drop because of the wellness policy. I mean now he can just waltz on over to TNA and the average fan will have no idea that the only reason he moved to TNA was cause WWE didn't want him and will probably assume that TNA wooed another WWE wrestler away.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']This just came in...

Jeff Jarrett made his TNA return at the tapings tonight. He gave AJ Styles a guitar smash during Styles's match against Samoa Joe - no idea which show that match is going to be on as of yet. The Impact Zone cheered for JJ.
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That is going to be a markout moment for me. I have no shame in saying I thought he was great in his last run.
 
Goddamn Raw ruled the world. It started off harsh with the women's match and Austin-Coach, and then got really, really awesome. The ending was fantastic, and I can't wait to see Vince get his head shaved on Sunday. 'Mania should be a great show, and it appears like it'll be the biggest gate in NA wrestling history.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You know, I'm surprised WWE isn't more vocal about who the drop because of the wellness policy. I mean now he can just waltz on over to TNA and the average fan will have no idea that the only reason he moved to TNA was cause WWE didn't want him and will probably assume that TNA wooed another WWE wrestler away.[/QUOTE]
If he's going to TNA, I wonder what Christian York is doing. TNA could use another tag team.
 
[quote name='JJSP']If he's going to TNA, I wonder what Christian York is doing. TNA could use another tag team.[/QUOTE]

That would be cool, but I'd rather see him go after the X Division title.
 
York just came back to wrestling - I doubt he'd really be ready for a TNA run, and if Mercury's got substance problems, the last company he needs to go to is TNA.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']York just came back to wrestling - I doubt he'd really be ready for a TNA run, and if Mercury's got substance problems, the last company he needs to go to is TNA.[/QUOTE]

Where was York?

And very true on the second comment. Austin Aries said straight out in his post-clinic discussion, right before I smoked weed with him, that TNA doesn't administer drug tests, after someone asked.
 
York worked an MCW show recently, and TNA really needs to do something about drug problems unless they want a scandal on their hands. They've got a ticking time bomb in Kurt Angle on their roster, claim they have an "extensive" drug testing policy, and of course, like WWE for a long time, do jack shit to back up their claims all the while claiming that WWE, the company that does drug testing, is the "evil" wrestling company. Wow, that rant just kinda came out of nowhere.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']This just came in...

Jeff Jarrett made his TNA return at the tapings tonight. He gave AJ Styles a guitar smash during Styles's match against Samoa Joe - no idea which show that match is going to be on as of yet. The Impact Zone cheered for JJ.
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o lord.. here we go again
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I still think the WWE wellness policy protects certain people.[/QUOTE]

While I don't disagree with you, I think you'll see 4 or so guys fired within 3 weeks of WM.

Joey Matthews = not on WM
Others = on WM

No different than Test's sudden, "shocking" firing a mere 10 days after moving out of the main event scene. No different than RVD losing both belts on air before being suspended. WWE doesn't want to jeopardize WrestleMania by losing a number of main event guys.

I'm willing to bet Randy Orton will be suspended after WM, while Edge looks like he's been "off cycle" long enough that he'll pass any piss test.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']While I don't disagree with you, I think you'll see 4 or so guys fired within 3 weeks of WM.

Joey Matthews = not on WM
Others = on WM

No different than Test's sudden, "shocking" firing a mere 10 days after moving out of the main event scene. No different than RVD losing both belts on air before being suspended. WWE doesn't want to jeopardize WrestleMania by losing a number of main event guys.

I'm willing to bet Randy Orton will be suspended after WM, while Edge looks like he's been "off cycle" long enough that he'll pass any piss test.[/quote]

Bingo. I believe Mercury was probably out the door anyway, until he got his face busted open. That incident may have saved his career because suddenly the writers had something for him. Unfortunately, he got back on whatever he was on, and now he can take some time off to think about it. Real pity too, I thought MNM could've had another good run on SD.

Again though, with any tag team creative generally looks at one guy as expendable and one as a potential star. Why else would Matt Hardy be fired for some crap over the internet, while Jeff Hardy was only let go when he absolutely refused to enter rehab? Ah, the politics and double-standards. I wish I worked for that company!
 
:whistle2:k with only 8 matches still on the card, what's the odds that the MITB winner uses his shot at WM to face Cena?

Better yet, Edge wins and puts his undefeated streak on the line against Taker!
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']:whistle2:k with only 8 matches still on the card, what's the odds that the MITB winner uses his shot at WM to face Cena?

Better yet, Edge wins and puts his undefeated streak on the line against Taker![/QUOTE]
That has been suggested before and would certainly be the ultimate dickhead heel move. 'Taker goes 15-0, then loses 60 seconds later to be 15-1.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']yea thats her all right[/quote]
WTF? They take her off TV and then, bam! Somehow promoted to be at WM. Either it's a mistake or WWE has some lame ass excuse for her returning.

Looking at the HOF inducts, here's who will be inducting who.

Mr. Perfect- Wade Boggs
Dusty Rhodes- Dustin Runnels(Goldust) & Cody Runnels
J.R.- Stone Cold
Jerry Lawler- William Shatner
Nick Bockwinkel- Bobby Hennan
Wild Samoans- Rosey & Samu

There's no mention of who's inducting the Sheik, but I'm guessing it's Sabu. It'll be interesting to see Rosey again(we know why Jamal won't be there).
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']:whistle2:k with only 8 matches still on the card, what's the odds that the MITB winner uses his shot at WM to face Cena?

Better yet, Edge wins and puts his undefeated streak on the line against Taker![/quote]
That said, is anyone other than Edge enough of a star to win this match?

Jeff and Matt Hardy - clearly in this match for the team aspect and high spots

Finlay and Booker - Finlay more so than Booker, but I can't help but look at them as mid-card guys

Orton and Kennedy - possible, but Orton's inclusion says he's just here to play off of Edge. Kennedy could have a chance, simply because after 'Taker and
Batista, who else is left on Smackdown?

CM Punk - the internet darling, and the one Detroit is pulling for (damn close to Chicago, and we saw the reaction he got last night). That'll hurt his chances, unless his stock in the WWE has improved dramatically. It's an easy way to get him to switch shows though.

Edge is working the ladder match angle as well as the undefeated streak, plus there's the talk of him working HHH when he comes back. Then again, I can't see the WWE title picture without John Cena blocking the way. If HBK wins, all bets are off. A returning HHH against HBK? Cena and HBK are just warming up, and I doubt they give this feud one match.

I think the MITB match might be the one match on the card where it's a coin toss.
 
WWE didn't just "take her off TV" - her body shut down due to her basically killing herself to get skinny. As for MITB, I don't see Edge winning since he's hurt, but I can see Kennedy winning, then challenging 'Taker for his newly-won world title to get back at him for their feud last year.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']That is going to be a markout moment for me. I have no shame in saying I thought he was great in his last run.[/quote]

I don't blame you...
Double J might have been a title hog, but regardless of that
he is awesome.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Where was York?

And very true on the second comment. Austin Aries said straight out in his post-clinic discussion, right before I smoked weed with him, that TNA doesn't administer drug tests, after someone asked.[/quote]

You blazed with the Starr himself? Luck-E! I offered on Ruckus's myspace but, no dice :p
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/ecwdreamcard/

Day 2 brings us Bam Bam Bigelow versus RVD.

It's fascinating that people from the same company who have made ECW the single most mocked brand in pro wrestling seem to have a grasp on how to put together a great ECW show. Shame they'll screw it up in the next day or so.[/quote]

Those are Tazz and Joey's picks... Are you saying they made ECW the most mocked brand in pro wrestling? I'd say they're doing as much as they can given the circumstances.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']WWE didn't just "take her off TV" - her body shut down due to her basically killing herself to get skinny. As for MITB, I don't see Edge winning since he's hurt, but I can see Kennedy winning, then challenging 'Taker for his newly-won world title to get back at him for their feud last year.[/QUOTE]
I love Kennedy in this match if for nothing more than the possibility of a Green Bay Plunge off the ladder or he and Jeff playing "can you top this?" with swantons.
 
Hopefully the Samoan Gangsta Party comes out to "Pump Pump" for the Wild Samoans induction.

Also, the Dusty induction will be the best induction ever if Goldust is in-character.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Hopefully the Samoan Gangsta Party comes out to "Pump Pump" for the Wild Samoans induction.

Also, the Dusty induction will be the best induction ever if Goldust is in-character.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't mind seeing him dress like his dad and use that old gimmick.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']You blazed with the Starr himself? Luck-E! I offered on Ruckus's myspace but, no dice :p[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it was a great experience. Austin did a clinic for New Midwest Wrestling, and while I wasn't training full time at that point, I had been attending practices and I had many friends within the promotion who were participating, so I figured it was worth the $50. I picked up some ring knowledge and got to smoke with one of my current favorite wrestlers. :)
 
Nice Matt. I'm looking forward to seeing him at the next ROH show here next month as he's in the main event against the current ROH World Champion Takeshi Morishima. Plus we also just got this announced for the show:

Ultimate Endurance Match
Jay & Mark Briscoe vs. Mike Quackenbush & Jigsaw vs. Gran Akuma & Hallowicked vs. Pelle Primeau & Mitch Franklin

Looks to be a kick ass show already. :D
 
[quote name='JJSP']That said, is anyone other than Edge enough of a star to win this match?

Jeff and Matt Hardy - clearly in this match for the team aspect and high spots

Finlay and Booker - Finlay more so than Booker, but I can't help but look at them as mid-card guys

Orton and Kennedy - possible, but Orton's inclusion says he's just here to play off of Edge. Kennedy could have a chance, simply because after 'Taker and
Batista, who else is left on Smackdown?

CM Punk - the internet darling, and the one Detroit is pulling for (damn close to Chicago, and we saw the reaction he got last night). That'll hurt his chances, unless his stock in the WWE has improved dramatically. It's an easy way to get him to switch shows though.

Edge is working the ladder match angle as well as the undefeated streak, plus there's the talk of him working HHH when he comes back. Then again, I can't see the WWE title picture without John Cena blocking the way. If HBK wins, all bets are off. A returning HHH against HBK? Cena and HBK are just warming up, and I doubt they give this feud one match.

I think the MITB match might be the one match on the card where it's a coin toss.[/quote]

Ha, don't group me in with Punk fans, I'll be booing him louder than anyone else in the arena, I hope he never gets moved off ECW's roster until he's released.

Anywho, looking at past MITB winners, the win was used to catapault said wrestlers into the main event picture, and earn their first title wins. Despite all of RVD's previous success he never held a top belt in WWE until he cashed in his MITB shot at ONS. Plus RVD was pretty much out of the title picture at the time of his MITB win. Edge used his MITB win and his fling with Lita to generate enough heat to become a main event heel on Raw.

So, by that logic, Edge, Booker T and Randy Orton don't need the MITB brief case to get a title shot, they get them already, so does Mr. Kennedy. In fact Kennedy just feuded with both Batista and Lashley. Therefore, unless Edge wins to keep his WM streak intact those four probably won't win.

That gives you CM Punk, The Hardys & Finlay. Uh oh... you can see where this is going. Punk is too green, and has pissed off too many people backstage to get the win here. Matt Hardy :lol: ... moving along, Jeff is probably ready, but I just can't see him winning this match. Can WWE trust him yet? Plus Jeff was jobbed out big time to Umaga, that's usually not the sign of a guy about to get a huge push.

Sadly, that leaves Finlay. :wall: Word on the street is WWE creative is looking to push Finlay after WM, I can see it now shillelagh in one hand, briefcase in the other. WWE logic for you though, let's push a fucking 50 year old man! I'd rather Snitsky show up and win the MITB than that assbag Finlay. I really hate that guy. Given the choice... *gasp* I'd go with CM Punk over Finlay.

OR... WWE could go a completely different route and have Edge win and then have him and Orton feud over the briefcase in the coming months.

If the mark in me was booking a Hardy boy would win, as either one of them could use the push and would bring new blood to the title picture.

If the booker in me was booking, Booker (no pun intended) would win. Then Booker T would jump over to Raw to feud with Cena. Those two had great chemistry together at Cyber Sunday, and this is a feud we haven't seen yet.

Alas, I'm not a WWE booker and the WWE refuses to try new things, so Edge or Finlay (a very old thing) will win. Bank on it.
 
Zenithian Legend, don't take this personally, because I have always thought you seeemed like a great guy in general... But do you hate everybody with talent? Edge, Punk, Finlay... May as well hop on the hoss train with Guyver and start fapping to Goldberg, Masters, and Mark Henry. ;) Okay, so the last line is just because I wanted to get a shot in on Guyver. It's been a while.

EDIT: And we have seen Booker and Cena feud on Smackdown over the US Title.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Quackenbush? I hadn't heard anything about him in years.

Assuming I can make it (still have no car), I really want All-Star Weekend V to be my first Pro Wrestling Guerrilla show or shows. Check out this loaded card:

http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com/ASWV/[/QUOTE]
That show's going to get even better later this week. Keep in mind, as of now, Saturday night doesn't have a main event yet. ;)

Pac in PWG is awesome. I've heard him described as "he can do everything Jack Evans can do, except he makes it look good". Forget Kanyon, Pac is the innovator of offense.

Steen and Joey is going to be a WAR.

I don't know if you saw, but there's another big double weekend too - http://www.prowrestlingguerrilla.com/tagteamtournament/
 
187 feet just to get to the ring.....no wonder they extended the time of the PPV. They need the extra time cause of how long it'll take them just to get to the ring. Hell, Umaga will have to stop halfway just to catch his breath.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Zenithian Legend, don't take this personally, because I have always thought you seeemed like a great guy in general... But do you hate everybody with talent? Edge, Punk, Finlay... May as well hop on the hoss train with Guyver and start fapping to Goldberg, Masters, and Mark Henry. ;) Okay, so the last line is just because I wanted to get a shot in on Guyver. It's been a while.

EDIT: And we have seen Booker and Cena feud on Smackdown over the US Title.[/quote]

We have? Well... I didn't really watch SD much at that time, I'm sad I missed out.

Anyhow, your statement simply isn't true! There's plenty of talented wrestlers I like, even a few left on the WWE roster. Undertaker, Benoit, Londrick, HBK, RVD, & Flair come to mind, but I'll stop there because the definition of "talented" will undoubtedly be disputed as I continue.

Edge - I hate because he's a douchebag, pretty simple right? He's somewhat comical, but I'd stilll like to see Matt Hardy break his leg. He's not an asshole like Bubba Dudley, he's more of that jackass that drinks your last beer, asks if you like a girl and then goes out with her anyway, cheats on his tests... did Edge go to college? I bet he was in a fraternity. I doubt I'm alone in my opinions here.

CM Punk - I hate and I cannot tell you why exactly. Something about his gimmick just rubs me the wrong way. Here though, I just don't like the character, has nothing to do with the person. You're supposed to have guys you like/dislike in wrestling. I know I'm alone here, because CM Punk is the internet's darling, of course maybe that's part of the reason I don't care for him.

Finlay - I hate because he's 49 years old and getting a push! Why? He was a jobber in WCW and there was a reason for that. What is the use of pushing a guy that will probably die of old age soon? Plus the guy was a jackass as a road agent and one of the guys, along with Johnny Ace, that pushed for Matt Hardy's release. No one likes Johnny Ace, yet you can thank him for Finlay's push now too because they were in bed together back in WCW. Oh, it's all political!

So, in short the reason I hate Finlay is because despite his age, related short shelf-life, and despite never being a draw in WCW, he's likely to win the MITB because of backstage politics and his ties to Johnny Ace.


Other wrestlers I hate: Goldberg, Jeff Jarrett, Bubba Dudley, Test, Umaga, Kevin Thorn, Mike Knox, Hardcore Holly, New Jack,.. and I think Masters is a total joke, but I don't hate him. I think all of those are self-explanatory, but I will elaborate upon request.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Edge - I hate because he's a douchebag, pretty simple right? He's somewhat comical, but I'd stilll like to see Matt Hardy break his leg. He's not an asshole like Bubba Dudley, he's more of that jackass that drinks your last beer, asks if you like a girl and then goes out with her anyway, cheats on his tests... did Edge go to college? I bet he was in a fraternity. I doubt I'm alone in my opinions here.[/quote]
Hence he is a hell...

CM Punk - I hate and I cannot tell you why exactly. Something about his gimmick just rubs me the wrong way. Here though, I just don't like the character, has nothing to do with the person. You're supposed to have guys you like/dislike in wrestling. I know I'm alone here, because CM Punk is the internet's darling, of course maybe that's part of the reason I don't care for him.
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I think he needs to be booked better before his potential starts to really shine through. The man can really, really, really cut a promo and when the time comes, he will be one of the biggest heels in the company. If anyone can take the torch from Triple H, it's gonna' be Punk.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7861111354063673565&q=c.m.+punk+promo&hl=en

The fact is Lashley needed help from McMahon and Donald Trump to really get over. Punk started in the WWE on their little watched ECW program and he was still over huge on Monday. Don't think it won't go noticed by the WWE.
 
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