The "WWE doesn't use 'Wrestling' anymore, so TNA is #1 by default" Wrestling Thread

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Maybe I'm being duped, but saw on another board that is saying that Ziggler showing off his new look tonight wasnt really Nick Nemeth. It may be his brother Ryan Nemeth.

This is what Ryan looks like:
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Even Ziggler's twitter mentions that "something different about raw tonight"

http://twitter.com/HEELZiggler/status/60091372916584448

Notice Ziggler's look last week
http://www.wwe.com/f/imagecache/gallery_photo/photo/image/2011/04/RAW_932_Photo_086.jpg

and tonight
http://www.wwe.com/f/imagecache/gallery_photo/photo/image/2011/04/RAW_934_Photo_027.jpg

Doubt his abs could change that fast in 1 week.

The way he wrestled entertained tonight also didnt seem like his usual way. He looked much faster than he usually is. Could WWE be pulling off a twin storyline or something out of this?
 
[quote name='Brak']Just watched a Sin Cara video, and I have to ask: Are they serious? That trampoline shit insulted the shit out of me.

Sin Cara = Shockmaster 2011

That might be a little extreme -- Probably closer to the corniness of Suicide. Although his early 90s WCW hype and debut reminded me of Glacier.[/QUOTE]


I have been referring to him as Kwang, but a Shockmaster reference works better.

And I have always disliked Randy Orton. I dislike him more now because today's Randy Orton is the most boring version of the character in its entire history.

I don't like the aesthetic changes to Dolph Ziggler. I know that long hair is outdated, but it worked for his gimmick.
 
Rock88, I'm pretty sure that's still Dolph. The lines in his abs are the same, it's the oil that's different.

Vince - "Oil him up real good. Aw, yeah, just like that, mm-mm, yeah, that's how I like it."
 
Not sure if I like ditching the blonde altogether. (though it seems like he knew in advance that he was getting the haircut since he stopped bleaching his roots)

As long as he doesn't start wearing suits,frowning, and taking 4 hours to walk to the ring I'm fine with it. Let's hope this isn't his "The One" Billy Gunn phase of his career.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Also, am I the only one here who sees virtually nothing of value in Randy Orton? I can appreciate his Jake The Snake style interviews, but virtually nothing else about him is unique or amazing. There's not a single Randy Orton match I can think of where I think "man, that shit was classic; I've GOT to go back and rewatch that." In fact, there's not a Randy Orton match I can think of, period, that's worth a fuck.

Maybe that's the drawback of "from out of nowhere" finishers. Nothing the person does in the match has any relevance, because we're all waiting for the finisher to come from out of nowhere. There's nothing to build to, no crescendo, no anticipation - you can't anticipate a finisher that's so spontaneous.

I guess. I think dude is overrated like a motherfuckin' Foo Fighters album.[/QUOTE]

Got like 2 seconds here but Cactus Jack v. Orton at Backlash 2004 is one of the best matches of the past 10 years. It's on the rerelease of Foley's last DVD. It was for Orton what Bret Hart v. Stone Cold submission match was for Austin.

That aside, he hasn't regularly lived up to the level that was set in that match. I still like him but he isn't the next coming of Rock/Austin/Hogan/whoever.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3fVct0LXDM
[quote name='TheRock88']Maybe I'm being duped, but saw on another board that is saying that Ziggler showing off his new look tonight wasnt really Nick Nemeth. It may be his brother Ryan Nemeth.

This is what Ryan looks like:
RyanNemeth.jpg

Even Ziggler's twitter mentions that "something different about raw tonight"

http://twitter.com/HEELZiggler/status/60091372916584448

Notice Ziggler's look last week
http://www.wwe.com/f/imagecache/gallery_photo/photo/image/2011/04/RAW_932_Photo_086.jpg

and tonight
http://www.wwe.com/f/imagecache/gallery_photo/photo/image/2011/04/RAW_934_Photo_027.jpg

Doubt his abs could change that fast in 1 week.

The way he wrestled entertained tonight also didnt seem like his usual way. He looked much faster than he usually is. Could WWE be pulling off a twin storyline or something out of this?[/QUOTE]
Are you trollin'? That was definitely Ziggler, and not his brother.
 
[quote name='Brak']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA9xMIvFKqA[/QUOTE]

Who booked that crap?! These "legends" matches on the indy circuit are so painful to watch. The only thing that makes these matches worth going to see is the likelihood that one of the performers will snap a do something totally stupid.

Now back to R-Truth. I just hope that Vince isn't planning on giving him a stereotypical Western Maryland black guy gimmick. You know... have him roll out smoking a pack of Newports, sluggin' on a 40oz of OE.
 
Nothing wrong with Hacksaw still going..looks to be in about the same shape he was in his last WWE run. One of the few guys who (aside from this video) still looks like he's enjoying himself out there.
 
i was thinking that when hacksaw got in the hall of fame this year... never won a wwe title -- i think wcw gave him the us title and harcore title for a bit. in wwe, hacksaw never had a big fued... (maybe with bad news brown for a bit)... other than that he was just a jobber for the most part... but the fans genuinely loved him.
reminds me... when wrestlers had no music ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkbPhOh3mss
 
[quote name='Halo05']Got like 2 seconds here but Cactus Jack v. Orton at Backlash 2004 is one of the best matches of the past 10 years. It's on the rerelease of Foley's last DVD. It was for Orton what Bret Hart v. Stone Cold submission match was for Austin.

That aside, he hasn't regularly lived up to the level that was set in that match. I still like him but he isn't the next coming of Rock/Austin/Hogan/whoever.[/QUOTE]

I would agree that that match was good , but there was one other that I liked him in , his match the next year against the Undertaker at Wrestlemania 21. I'll probably get blasted for saying it , but that match was one of the few times I legit thought the undertaker might actually lose. Granted I didn't want Orton to win but it did lay as a possibility in my head. Shawn is far and away a better wrestler entertainer but there was no logical reason for him to go over , at least with Orton they could (and did try) the whole legend killer thing.
 
 
How the fuck do you drop the ball (haha) like that with Zack Ryder? He's getting himself over with fans the only way possible to him at this point, and other top-level guys have said how much they love his show. But despite all of this, we get shit like security confiscating signs that have no business being taken away.

Completely incomprehensible and illogical in my mind. I'm not saying to just chuck Ryder into a championship scene as a response to this, but at least put him back on TV.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']How the fuck do you drop the ball (haha) like that with Zack Ryder? He's getting himself over with fans the only way possible to him at this point, and other top-level guys have said how much they love his show. But despite all of this, we get shit like security confiscating signs that have no business being taken away.

Completely incomprehensible and illogical in my mind. I'm not saying to just chuck Ryder into a championship scene as a response to this, but at least put him back on TV.[/QUOTE]

He's been getting close to 100,000 view on his youtube videos AND you have got to give him credit for using an unconventional method (for wrestling anyway) of connecting with fans.

But... dude, Zack Ryder doesn't get pushed bro, nobody pushes Zack Ryder.
 
That's fucking retarded. They should be happy that someone that's not even really on the main roster is more over than the people out there wrestling entertaining.

They want to push younger talent, yet they're unwilling to let younger talent get over unless it's on their terms. Awful.
 
How about that tired old WWF "taking the ball and running with it" trope?

More on WWE and how they treat people backstage:

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/4/19/2120212/wwe-hire-emmy-award-winning-writer-tom-casiello

Court Bauer (who had been a name on the indies like MLW long before he got to WWE) noted in an interview with F4Wonline that he had faced a lot of problems. He told one story about being in a a meeting with Stephanie, some road agents and the rest of writers, and how he casually thrown out words like "colour" and "blading", not thinking anything of it. Stephanie then demanded a private meeting with Court in her office and warned him about "acting like a mark" and told him, as a writer, he was an "outsider" and couldn't use those words. She then made him go around and apologise to all the established names there (including Pat Patterson and Ted DiBiase Sr) for using wrestling talk and coming off "like a mark." Bauer also noted that, despite writing most of the Ric Flair Retirement storyline in 2008, as a lowly writer he was never allowed to directly talk to Flair about it or ask him for any input. He was also banned from talking to Bobby Lashley and MVP when he was writing storylines for them. After head Smackdown writer Michael Hayes gleefully informed Court that he had gotten him sent home from Wrestlemania week over a minor booking disagreement the two had had, he then decided it was time to leave the company. Not surprisingly, Bauer referred to WWE as a "toxic, grossly dysfunctional, messed-up environment" and said that leaving was "like getting out of prison". Bauer also said he didn't think the company could creatively fourish under these circumstances because it was too difficult for good ideas to be heard, or for most writers to make it through the huge amount of politics that went on.
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Larry Mollin, who was head writer for the original series of teen show Beverly Hills 90210 in the nineties during its highest rated seasons, was also recruited by the company in April 2005 after management decided they needed more established writers. Despite the initial criticism of WWE for hiring yet another writer with no experience in wrestling, Mollin told Bryan Alvarez in an interview earlier this year for F4Wonline that he had been a fan, his kids watched it, and mentioned that he had even pitched a movie to Vince for Hulk Hogan in eighties.

To say Mollin got a tough time of it would be an understatement. In a now famous story (for people who follow this type of thing) Dave Lagana would complain that Mollin had, because of his advancing years, been forced, at night, to drive everywhere to prove he could handle the schedule. Mollin confirmed this and also told one wacky story about being in the middle of a meeting with Vince, Stephanie and several others and quickly being escorted out of the room by Stephanie (or "She Who Must Be Obeyed" as Mollin's jokingly referred to her) and then being scolded for nodding, because "Vince does not like nodding." Mollins also mentioned writers can't yawn either. Indeed, numerous other writers have attested to the idiocracies of Vince "Howard Hughes" McMahon, which include an intense dislike of sneezing, spitting or any sort of germ-related behaviour in general. And if you dare smoke around him? Heck, you'll likely be thrown in a box marked "Hollywood" and sent back to L.A.

Mollin, only half-joking, referred to WWE as a "Cult", because: "They beat you up, they tear you down, and then they hug you." He also noted he was irritated by constant phone calls from management about minor things in the middle of the night. Needless to say, he only lasted a few months, and many noticed the contradiction of WWE eagerly bringing in Hollywood writers and then driving them out. Mollin would note that, as he looked back on his time there, that he, and two other writers who also worked in Hollywood, had been "brought into fail."
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Former writer Court Bauer once claimed that Vince had challenged him to an impromptu drag-race and, when Bauer managed to catch up with Vince's car, the billionaire CEO attempted to drive him off the road. A frightened Bauer then slowed down. "Vince likes to win" Bauer ominously confirms.
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And this is the company we love? Jaysis. The apeshit bonkers stuff behind the scenes is infinitely more interesting than the different-flavors-of-white-toast product they've been producing over the years.
 
I was going to say, that is the stuff they should be airing, it's more "entertainment" than the...uh...entertainment?
 
On of the commenter on the Zack Ryder story said that he was there with a Ryder sign and that it wasn't that bad. But it's re-God-damn-diculous that they would do something like that. I wonder if they're upset with him for calling them out on not using him, but don't want to as it would encourage rebellion in the troupe.

As for the writer's stories, especially the drag race... WTF?

It makes me want to sneeze on Vince and yawn afterwords.

EDIT: Epic sign Beef.
 
But everyone all their current employees say it's so organized and a pleasant place to work! If you can't get over it's your own fault! WWE wasn't disorganized like WCW, it's a worldwide entertainment phenomenon!

Or so I'm told. When we see that Zack Ryder is no longer posting videos to YouTube, we know this shit is for real.
 
How long before Zack Ryder is "Future Endeavored"? It goes to prove that you will like who they tell you to like and they will push them until they decide different. Never has there been a business more antagonistic to the core audience than the WWE.
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']How long before Zack Ryder is "Future Endeavored"?[/QUOTE]

I suspect the post-wrestlemania bloodletting will start the Friday after they return from Europe. And you can be sure Zack Ryder's name will be on that list.
 
I thought I read that he wasn't going on the European tour or he said it on a Z! TLS. I can't see them using him for anything on raw till after the draft either way.

*crosses fingers for Zack to keep his job*
 
Vince may seriously be the closest thing to a Howard Hughes we have right now. Those stories are eye-rollingly horrible. Makes me wonder if ol' Vince isn't suffering from some psychological problems.
 
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The thing is the genuine moments we do see from him don't seem like they're fake. For instance, his interactions with HBK on Wrestlemania weekend particularly when he gave him the HoF ring. Then on the other hand, you've got this off the rocker crazy old man advocating ridiculous shit and participating in drag races. I dunno for sure what he's like in real life but I can tell you I bet he's a real trip.
 
I'm no fan of Ryder--at all--but the guy shows initiative and uses alternative means to get himself over due to his lack of airtime and what do they do? They block him. WWE is a joke. I'll never understand why some of you will always watch it, week in and week out.

[quote name='mykevermin']change his name to avon barksdale.[/QUOTE]

"Got dat Honey Nut?"

I'd go with Omar.
 
[quote name='neocisco']I'm no fan of Ryder--at all--but the guy shows initiative and uses alternative means to get himself over due to his lack of airtime and what do they do? They block him. WWE is a joke. I'll never understand why some of you will always watch it, week in and week out.[/QUOTE]
Stockholm Syndrome for me. :cry:
 
[quote name='neocisco']I'm no fan of Ryder--at all--but the guy shows initiative and uses alternative means to get himself over due to his lack of airtime and what do they do? They block him. WWE is a joke. I'll never understand why some of you will always watch it, week in and week out.



"Got dat Honey Nut?"

I'd go with Omar.[/QUOTE]

Because the only other option is TNA and as much as WWE grates me, I like any of them more than Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle.
 
The Zack Ryder situation makes zero sense. He's got a decent following despite having little to no airtime, and can have an entertaining entertainment match when he's actually utilized. He's like the Too Cool for this generation except he isn't allowed to be over.
 
[quote name='ced']The Zack Ryder situation makes zero sense. He's got a decent following despite having little to no airtime, and can have an entertaining entertainment match when he's actually utilized. He's like the Too Cool for this generation except he isn't allowed to be over.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I've liked him ever since he was an Edgehead, but the WWWYKI gimmick really puts him over the top in my book (in a good way). I figured he'd be at least mid-card status by now, considering they had the tag titles on him in the past.

Here's hoping he doesn't get future endeavored and they draft him to Smackdown, where at least he should be able to get SOME form of airtime.
 
Well, he usually releases Z True Long Island Story on Wednesday or Thursday each week so I guess we'll know soon if he's been silenced. Then again if he doesn't post one we could always be hopeful that he just won't have time to make one during the Europe tour.
 
Why do people not understand the Ryder situation? His following didn't come off the WWE Creative approved-and-created assembly line, so it simply DOES NOT EXIST.

End of explanation.
 
[quote name='Vacabck']Valentine looks like an old lady. :whistle2:#[/QUOTE]

I can't remember a time where he didn't look like an old lady.
 
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