The WWE Wrestlemania 25 Thread

The main event was so damn boring. I didn't even realize the match was over. The crowd was dead. No one cared. The match was the worst they've had together. For a Smackdown main event, it would have been alright. For WM25? No way in hell. They stunk up the building big time. HHH needs to tear his quad again and get off t.v. He's good, but not great. And that's his problem. He shouldn't be in the spot he's in, and certainly not after that God awful match. It was just terrible. All my friends said the same thing, and they're not even huge wrestling fans. They're just casual watchers. For Wrestlemania you need to step it up. HHH and Orton wrestled like they were on ECW.

For a guy who's wife got her ass beat, HHH sure didn't show it. I don't even think the announcers mentioned that once during the match. That huge build up meant nothing. HHH was the same HHH. He wasn't changed or filled with rage. Completely stupid.

I loved the HBK/Taker match. Aweome, awesome match. It was so good, it makes up for the shitty main event. Everything else was lackluster but that HBK match was great.

Steamboat and Jericho was also pretty cool. That was a hell of a lot more interesting than the main event.

CM Punk...does anyone care? Nope. I guess he can cash it in, win the title, and then become a nobody again all in the span of a month. The guy is so stale and boring. They need to mix him up a bit but that's probably not going to happen.
 
enjoyable mitb - surprised punk won, couple nice spots by benjamin, sucks for the botch with mvp but they recovered

kid rock - meh

kid rock doing the intro for the womens match - BS!!!! We wanted to see the Divas they brought back for this!!

Miss WM - at least Santina was funny at the end, but the match was pretty lame. They only focused on Victoria for a bit, but Molly, Sunny, and Torri were ignored. Lame

Legends vs Jericho - really happy and impressed that Steamboat went at it with Jericho for a bit. Had to have Jericho win, stupid to have the former Champ lose to 3 retired wrestlers

Hardys match - fun match, wish it was longer. Good to seem Matt actually win it. Unfortunately, I wish he had worn a better fitting set of tights, his undies became comically distracting to us, circa HBK at WM21

HBK vs the Streak - Great match, played up the streak well within the match. Great false finishes, esp. Taker's tombstone pin (even sold it with the tongue sticking out)

Cena vs Big Show vs Edge - Enjoyed the match, especially the finish. Havent enjoyed cena since his early days, but I can't piss on him too much, he does work hard. Had to laugh at Show yelling at the ref to get him out of the ropes. Good match.

Fun HOF segment - great to see the quick change by Austin leading to some 'vintage' Austin drinking beer and running amuck. Good times....

HHH vs Orton - Dunno, but I was pretty let down by this. I wasn't even expecting much, even then it didn't deliver. Stupid spot with the ref covering his eyes at the sledgehammer...WTF. Great to see the Spanish announce table no sold to the spot :D

Overall a good WM that had its faults, could have been better. Who set up the match list, the pacing was really off. High spots match to open the show and then the rest of the hour is gimmick/goof matches?!? Then end it with 3 main events back to back, talk about wearing the crowd out. Plus, that final match left too many with a bad taste in their mouth, big let down, but hes HHH and gets a pass. Imagine if Cena had done that. Riot on the spot =D. Had an opportunity to go, I am happy I saved that cash.

Oh wait,
JBL vs Joker. Um, at least ah, well we have a new announcer on smackdown. The match proved that he likes to talk alot

Finally, did Miz and Morrison piss someone off? From being on every single show to then not being on Mania. I was looking forward to that match, it at least had a build up.
 
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Raw-JR Striker (I'd start watching again...some)
SD-JBL Lawler (I know, they're both "color commentators", I don't care)
ECW-I don't care, I don't watch it

And Cole gets hit by a truck.

I'd like to see Josh Mathews brought up. I haven't heard him in a long time, though. He could sound like Cole now for all I know.
 
what was so great about taker and sm? It was just a bunch of kickouts like the old ecw. There was nothing spectacular about the match.
 
[quote name='RandyTsai']what was so great about taker and sm? It was just a bunch of kickouts like the old ecw. There was nothing spectacular about the match.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Scott Keith already called it five-stars. I ain't going even remotely that high. Punchy kicky, some shocking moments sure (Undertaker landing head first, protection free on the floor) but it was just a-ight for me /randyjackson.

I would rate the show as follows...

MITB: 1/2*
Women's Battle Royal: DUD
Legends Match: **1/2
Matt/Jeff: *
JBL vs. Mysterio: DUD
Michaels/Undertaker: ***
Cena/Show/Edge: *1/2
Orton/Triple H: 1/4*
THUMBS DOWN

Full review by me won't be up until the DVD comes out.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']Agreed. Scott Keith already called it five-stars. I ain't going even remotely that high. Punchy kicky, some shocking moments sure (Undertaker landing head first, protection free on the floor) but it was just a-ight for me /randyjackson.

I would rate the show as follows...

MITB: 1/2*
Women's Battle Royal: DUD
Legends Match: **1/2
Matt/Jeff: *
JBL vs. Mysterio: DUD
Michaels/Undertaker: ***
Cena/Show/Edge: *1/2
Orton/Triple H: 1/4*
THUMBS DOWN

Full review by me won't be up until the DVD comes out.[/quote]

Scott Keith is still around? Damn I haven't read his stuff in ages , not since he left 411 wrestling. Although I did find most of his show overviews to be pretty funny. One of my favorites had to be his overview of the Eddy vs JBL Bullrope match. You know what this match needs? More Cowbell!:lol:

On a more serious note , although the show wasn't really that good , it was kinda cool to be watching it with a good of people that definitely fall into the catagory of "marks". One being a young kid who was excited to see Cena win. He also called this "The best wrestlemania ever" :/ It made my cynicism towards the matches and calling who was going to win them more interesting.

Taker vs Micheals was bar none the best match of the show and one that had me on the edge of my seat. I was the only one in the group who called Taker to win.:cool: The MitB match was ok , the divas match was crap , The IC match was funny crap , the legends match seemed pointless and the followup with Mickey Rouke was equally pointless , the hardys match was ok but lacked flow , the WHT match was surprisingly decent (loved the brief return of basic thuginomics) but the main event almost put me to sleep.
 
We've all said this a million times, but it's time for heel Punk. He's done everything there is to do as a shit-eating, grinning face. The best way for the WWE to make his gimmick work is to make him an arrogant, better-than-you-cause-I'm-edge heel. The fans love him regardless, but if he starts shit talking everyone he sees and acting like he's better than them, they'll turn on him fast.

Have him knock a beer out of someone's hand ringside, anything. He's the "straightedge superstar" but it means NOTHING to his character if he's just another bland wrestler doing MMA kicks.

Turn him soon, and turn him hard. He's got MITB, let him become an arrogant prick about it and hang it over everyone's head like it means something.

It won't happen. He'll be a goofy face, and he'll use the title shot on a throwaway match on Raw. Ideally, Orton comes out on top of his feud with the belt and WWE reprises the "anti-hero" face with Orton. He's already getting face pops, might as well give the fans what they want - he already dropped a McMahon, let's have him play the role of Austin. Fans will eat it up because they want to cheer Orton anyways - not a good sign when Stephanie eating a DDT gets a loud pop instead of megaheat.
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']Scott Keith is still around? Damn I haven't read his stuff in ages , not since he left 411 wrestling. Although I did find most of his show overviews to be pretty funny. One of my favorites had to be his overview of the Eddy vs JBL Bullrope match. You know what this match needs? More Cowbell!:lol: [/QUOTE]

Yep, he's still around and is a pretty good guy actually. I actually help him with his DVD reviews on occasion. He doesn't like to review the 'feature' part of the DVDs so I do that part and he does the matches.

I actually just went nuts writing a review of Wrestlemania 23 where I concluded that the reason people try to powerbomb Billy Kidman despite all the evidence that he's an expert in countering the move is obviously part of a conspiracy by the Illuminati and the Lizard Overlords.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']Full review by me won't be up until the DVD comes out.[/QUOTE]

nobody cares, stop posting here

[quote name='JJSP']We've all said this a million times, but it's time for heel Punk. He's done everything there is to do as a shit-eating, grinning face. The best way for the WWE to make his gimmick work is to make him an arrogant, better-than-you-cause-I'm-edge heel. The fans love him regardless, but if he starts shit talking everyone he sees and acting like he's better than them, they'll turn on him fast.

Have him knock a beer out of someone's hand ringside, anything. He's the "straightedge superstar" but it means NOTHING to his character if he's just another bland wrestler doing MMA kicks.

Turn him soon, and turn him hard. He's got MITB, let him become an arrogant prick about it and hang it over everyone's head like it means something.

It won't happen. He'll be a goofy face, and he'll use the title shot on a throwaway match on Raw. Ideally, Orton comes out on top of his feud with the belt and WWE reprises the "anti-hero" face with Orton. He's already getting face pops, might as well give the fans what they want - he already dropped a McMahon, let's have him play the role of Austin. Fans will eat it up because they want to cheer Orton anyways - not a good sign when Stephanie eating a DDT gets a loud pop instead of megaheat.[/QUOTE]

Somebody made this point a long time ago (think when Sandman was still around) but they will never turn Punk into a bad guy in the fashion of his old character in RoH. This is the PG era and the last thing they want is a media controversy lightning rod that is "STRAIGHT EDGE MEANS I'M BETTER THAN YOU".

Turning Orton face would be even worse than they did at WM. Like I posted in one of my earlier posts

[quote name='Sporadic']I love how Stone Cold got a bigger reaction than this match.

Vince that's a message (and no the message isn't Orton isn't over)[/QUOTE]

You can't have Orton beating up on known bad guys and expect them to boo Orton for his actions. It also shouldn't be surprising that people turn on superman HHH when he teams up with the bad guys.
 
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They're all of the ladder match. We need one of the Undertaker's hilarious facial expression after Shawn kicked out of the first Tombstoned mixed with something funny.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Thanks for the advice.

Now for some cool animated JPEGs from WM25. Linked due to their size.

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That doesn't make sense. JPEGs aren't animated. GIFs are. It even says GIF image when you click it. I think someone added .jpg to the filename to try to make them jpg's or something.

Regardless, thanks for the awesome shots from the MitB match :D
 
The HBK / Taker match was perfectly paced, told a well thought out, concise story and had a lot of heart behind it.

Compare that to Orton Vs HHH which was everywhere at once (both men hitting their finishers within the opening moments for no reason whatsoever), had no logical story to tell (both men were embroiled in one of the hottest, most intense feuds on the card, yet they're wrestling a by-the-books match with no involvement from Legacy nor the McMahons) and had a terrible ending that was so abrupt that the crowd had no idea it was even over.

They had a near limitless number of options for the Main Event and they go with one of the worst setups ever imaginable. This is Goldberg / Nash all over again. It's a shame there's no way to remove the WWE's #1 problem; the entire god damned McMahon family.
 
So...from what I can gather about the background, you kinda have to wonder where HHH's wife was. Usually something like that brings out the third party.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']The HBK / Taker match was perfectly paced, told a well thought out, concise story and had a lot of heart behind it.

Compare that to Orton Vs HHH which was everywhere at once (both men hitting their finishers within the opening moments for no reason whatsoever), had no logical story to tell (both men were embroiled in one of the hottest, most intense feuds on the card, yet they're wrestling a by-the-books match with no involvement from Legacy nor the McMahons) and had a terrible ending that was so abrupt that the crowd had no idea it was even over.

They had a near limitless number of options for the Main Event and they go with one of the worst setups ever imaginable. This is Goldberg / Nash all over again. It's a shame there's no way to remove the WWE's #1 problem; the entire god damned McMahon family.[/quote]


yeah, i never figured orton would win, trips hasnt won at WM in a while and now having this storyline and the "anniversary" he wasnt gonna lose the belt, but that finish was shit... pure and utter shit, better get used to him cause im 97% sure hes moving back to raw, assuming he doesnt show tomorrow already
 
[quote name='Scorch']That doesn't make sense. JPEGs aren't animated. GIFs are. It even says GIF image when you click it. I think someone added .jpg to the filename to try to make them jpg's or something.[/quote]

Yeah my bad. I got them off the IRC channel I frequent and somehow goofed by typing JPEG instead of GIF. Guess that's what happens after a day full of MLS (between Saturday night and Sunday afternoon) followed by a lackluster Mania. :lol:

Regardless, thanks for the awesome shots from the MitB match :D
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No prob.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Thanks for the advice.

Now for some cool animated JPEGs GIFs* from WM25. Linked due to their size.

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*Thanks to Professor Scorch for once again correcting me. ;)[/QUOTE]

Here's the full list of them by the creator. He did all of Wrestlemania.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1940570&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=171
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']Full review by me won't be up until the DVD comes out.[/quote]

But by then no one will care. Oh wait, we already don't care.

[quote name='Sporadic']nobody cares, stop posting here[/quote]

But we need his insight. Who else will tell us vital information like what breed of dog Paul Levesque has?
 
:lol: at Scott Keith.

Next thing you know, he's gonna name drop that he ghost wrote for whoever that dude what ran "scoops" was.

I really really enjoy posts by people who are bigger marks for themselves than they are the product they watch. Shit all over the product, give a five-star match three stars with absolutely zero detail or insight, and don't forget to put yourself over on the way out by mentioning some nobody gave a fuck ten years ago hack writer.

Look, I can write like a cynic who's perpetually displeased with everything. Doesn't mean I'm a mark for myself.
 
Let me put it to you this way: I tried to read one of your reviews.

It was a review of a Wrestlemania DVD. At some point Eugene comes out to the ring.

Let me quote you:

Meanwhile, Eugene comes out to mark out about being at Wrestlemania and to ask the people in the front row if they have any extra hydrocodones. BUT WAIT~! Muhammad Hassan comes out to cut a promo that some smart marks will argue was brilliant. I was shocked when Hassan got bounced at how lots of smarks reacted to it. Other then his cookie-cutter generic promos, what did he have to offer? He's possibly one of the worst wrestlers to come out of OVW. I was thrilled when he got bounced. Yeah, sorry Mark that you got caught in a political shit storm that was out of your hands, but given that you had NO TALENT at all, I have to say "yippee" that we won't be subjected to you anymore. Anyway, Hulk Hogan comes out and destroys him, drawing a huge pop and setting up his feud with Shawn Michaels in a roundabout kind of way.
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So we have you trying to be a clever writer by bringing up a person's drug habit, which is classless from the "TMZ is real journalism" school of thought. You have someone simultaneously writing using a professional wrestler's (Hassan's) legal name as they identify and have a laff about "smarks," as if someone writing about drug habits and a wrestler's pre-WWF background is able to think, pathetically, that *they* aren't a smart mark. And you have someone bringing up OVW, as you just fail to realize how little time Hassan spent there on the whole - blaming a promotion for someone being brought up too early, or failing to train they guy.

You have a trifecta of smarmy, useless, insider jokes written for classless people who think it's an indicator of knowledge or standing in their community if they call Triple H "Paul," or if they talk about so-and-so's drug habit really affecting their ring work.

Your reviews are shit, and that's reinforced by the fact that nobody fuckin' reads 'em. Your review archive page views are ridiculously low. You can't even get that low by accident, man.

But keep plugging away. Do the deed. Make yourself feel important. Someone has to tell the world how "John" and "Adam" and "Paul" stunk up the ring at Wrestlemania, last night. Right? You're preaching the end-time message, man. It's not your fault nobody else is listening.

(p.s. you have noticed that nobody else here seems to like you very much. I'm not looking for a response, but I'd just like to remind you of that fact.)
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']Agreed. Scott Keith already called it five-stars. I ain't going even remotely that high. Punchy kicky, some shocking moments sure (Undertaker landing head first, protection free on the floor) but it was just a-ight for me /randyjackson.

I would rate the show as follows...

MITB: 1/2*
Women's Battle Royal: DUD
Legends Match: **1/2
Matt/Jeff: *
JBL vs. Mysterio: DUD
Michaels/Undertaker: ***
Cena/Show/Edge: *1/2
Orton/Triple H: 1/4*
THUMBS DOWN

Full review by me won't be up until the DVD comes out.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but you're just coming across as a whiner. That and your overall whiny attitude prevented you from enjoying UT/HBK which I pity you for.
 
Thanks for the gifs, Demo Man! I hate when they close off the SA forums to the general public... I've become quite the prolific lurker there during work hours, haha.

Fun wrestlemania, but the pacing and sequencing of the show as a whole was just way off! Say what you want about Cena, but - given what we had to work with - his match really should have been last. It actually had a clear-cut face overcoming some odds, and ended with a sense of triumph. Meanwhile HHH/Orton had no drama or tension to it. I'm not sure if the DQ stipulation was a half-assed attempt to put HHH in the underdog role, but it didn't add anything to the match!

Taker/HBK of course was awesome. The buildup had been a bit too "self-aware" for my liking (all the talk of "Mr. Wrestlemania" and streaks and statistics instead of just a straight-up rasslin' feud like they had in '97), but in a way that kinda fit the whole "just because" reasoning behind the match. As in, "just because you know it will kick ass." And it did!!! Seriously, that first tombstone must have been one of the biggest collective markouts in the history of the (ahem) WWE Universe.
 
Speaking of Cena, like neocisco pointed out about our collective willingness to be a "generic Cena" (redundant) at WM, you *KNOW* you were excited for about half-a-second when you heard his "Basic Thuganomics" theme song.

I can't fuckin' stand his current entrance theme, though I do like to yell "YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOO!" during the crescendo of the introduction) - perhaps I might, for at least a moment, be more into him if he went back to his Thuganomics intro.

EDIT: Just looked at the diva battle royal roster. who in blue blazes is Joy Giovanni? I recognize the name, but that's about it.
 
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Joy is the one who pissed of Orton. I think he took a dump in her bag.

Flair has been announced for the ROH TV tapings in Philly if anyone wants to attend.
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw']Joy is the one who pissed of Orton. I think he took a dump in her bag.

Flair has been announced for the ROH TV tapings in Philly if anyone wants to attend.[/quote]

No, that was Lauren Jones. The shitting in the bag was just a rumor. She has since said in interviews that it was just lotion he dumped in her bag. It's still a douchebag move, but not quite as bad as shitting in it.

Anyways, Joy was in the first Diva search and she spent time on Smackdown, around the same time Amy Weber was in JBL's stable.
 
A bit late to the party but my plans for tonight consist of watching house and then probably my library-borrowed copy of Role Models. The lady is home and after telling her this morning how awesome Shawn Michaels/UT was last night, I don't think I'll force her to endure any more wrestling today. Things'd be different if Orton had won the belt but as it stands, I think I'll take a pass.

I'm still of the mind that while Cena might be boring and generic and have a weak-ass looking finisher, he isn't half as bad as Triple H. Reading about last night's matches just cemented that in my mind to a greater degree.

From what I saw of WM, my biggest complaint stems from Jeff/Matt not wrestling for long enough. I'm happy that it had a clean finish and the Twist of Fate inside the chair was amazing looking and believable but another ten minutes of match would've helped immensely.

The other stuff that I saw that was bad, was doomed to be bad from the start. The end of the Jericho match where an old actor beats up a former World Champion, Rey Mysterio winning a throwaway belt that might a while be retired, some commercials, etc. were all doomed to be shitty from the moment they were booked so I can't blame the participants too much.

I'm glad I missed the final match, I try not to be too cynical about wrestling but from what I've read, my faith in the sport might've been severely damaged.
 
I just watched MitB on youtube snce I missed it last night. It was a fun match, but no very memorable compared to previous years. Some of those spots were dangerously unnecessary (namely MVP being powerbombed to the outside and the Unprettier from the top of the ladder), and like someone pointed out already, what was up with only two guys in the ring at a time?

The sad thing is, until he showed up to stop Punk from reaching the briefcase the first time, I totally forgot Christain was even in the match. That says a lot.

While I do like Punk a lot, having him win two years in a row is pointless when a) someone like MVP or Shelton really could have used the main event push and b) even if he DOES win the belt one more time, he's just gonna get buried all over again unless something amazing happens. I wonder if his winning had anything to do with backstage antics. You know what we always says around here: whenver someone gets bustd for violating the WP, Punk get's a push.
 
So I wonder if the whole Colons/Mizorrison tag match was cut as a "fuck you" to Carlito; I remember some drama a couple years back when he and Flair (?) were the champs, and were WM's dark match again - he was pretty vocal about his displeasure.

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[quote name='-Never4ever-']The HBK / Taker match was perfectly paced, told a well thought out, concise story and had a lot of heart behind it.

Compare that to Orton Vs HHH which was everywhere at once (both men hitting their finishers within the opening moments for no reason whatsoever), had no logical story to tell (both men were embroiled in one of the hottest, most intense feuds on the card, yet they're wrestling a by-the-books match with no involvement from Legacy nor the McMahons) and had a terrible ending that was so abrupt that the crowd had no idea it was even over.

They had a near limitless number of options for the Main Event and they go with one of the worst setups ever imaginable. This is Goldberg / Nash all over again. It's a shame there's no way to remove the WWE's #1 problem; the entire god damned McMahon family.[/quote]

I'm not completely in agreement WRT the HHH/Orton match. I don't mind the match so much if you take remove the storyline, and I'll agree that it NEEDED the clusterfuck finish with interference on all sides. The problem is, that's not Wrestlemania formula -- where the good guys go over in clean finishes, and make the fans happy. By contrast, Goldberg/Nash WAS a huge clusterfuck, designed to "protect" Goldberg's rep as a badass by having 15 people and a cattle prod needed to keep him down for 3 seconds.

Both were awful in execution. Goldberg/nash because it was typical WCW in it's death throes and because -- frankly -- it was Goldberg and Nash. HHH/Orton was bad because the story was bad, and the type of match needed to blow the feud off was one that's not right for the WM formula. It's more of a summerslam, or if you're really cynical, Survivor Series.

And yeah, completely agree about removing McMahons from the active storylines; it worked 11 years ago, but needs to go away for a few years (NOT a few months, as they tried this year). What is it, the 7-year rule?
 
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[quote name='-Never4ever-']The HBK / Taker match was perfectly paced, told a well thought out, concise story and had a lot of heart behind it.

Compare that to Orton Vs HHH which was everywhere at once (both men hitting their finishers within the opening moments for no reason whatsoever), had no logical story to tell (both men were embroiled in one of the hottest, most intense feuds on the card, yet they're wrestling a by-the-books match with no involvement from Legacy nor the McMahons) and had a terrible ending that was so abrupt that the crowd had no idea it was even over.

They had a near limitless number of options for the Main Event and they go with one of the worst setups ever imaginable. This is Goldberg / Nash all over again. It's a shame there's no way to remove the WWE's #1 problem; the entire god damned McMahon family.[/quote]

I'm not completely in agreement WRT the HHH/Orton match. I don't mind the match so much if you take remove the storyline, and I'll agree that it NEEDED the clusterfuck finish with interference on all sides. The problem is, that's not Wrestlemania formula -- where the good guys go over in clean finishes, and make the fans happy. By contrast, Goldberg/Nash WAS a huge clusterfuck, designed to "protect" Goldberg's rep as a badass by having 15 people and a cattle prod needed to keep him down for 3 seconds.

Both were awful in execution. Goldberg/nash because it was typical WCW in it's death throes and because -- frankly -- it was Goldberg and Nash. HHH/Orton was bad because the story was bad, and the type of match needed to blow the feud off was one that's not right for the WM formula. It's more of a summerslam, or if you're really cynical, Survivor Series.

And yeah, completely agree about removing McMahons from the active storylines; it worked 11 years ago, but needs to go away for a few years (NOT a few months, as they tried this year). What is it, the 7-year rule?
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']

The problem is, that's not Wrestlemania formula -- where the good guys go over in clean finishes, and make the fans happy[/quote]

Is that always what happens then?
I though John Cena winning was the face winning cleanly that they'd want to give the fans, I kinda though Orton would win.

I didn't factor in the idea that the face had to win. The ending of that match was fucking terrible (which made it fit in nicely with the rest of WM25) I really can't see where the feud is going to go from here, if anywhere.
 
The Cena/Edge/Big Show match seemed to be Cena's to win so that the love triangle between Vickie, The Big Show, and Edge can go on without having the title be locked into that, as well. Cena was the outsider that they could pawn the title off on so that fued could continue after WM. If Cena's moving to Smackdown now or with the draft, he'll take on somebody else, maybe the Undertaker or somebody from the draft.
 
hell yeah Steamboat!!
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JBL's WWE Universe Blog said:
"I had wanted to make it to WM 25 for years, and when injuries cut my career short the one regret I had was that I wouldn't make the 25th anniversary of Wrestlemania," he wrote. "Well, I made it. I never dreamed after I retired the first time that my back would get better and I would be allowed to return to wrestling...

"I don't know what the future holds, never say never in life. But I have wrestled my last match. Months ago, I picked out this match. If Eddie Guerrero couldn't be here for it then my dear friend Rey [Mysterio] was the obvious choice, and I'm proud he was. I want to thank the WWE for a great career, for taking a chance on me and allowing me the keys to the car for a while. I will always represent the WWE wherever I go, I am proud of my 13 ½ years with the WWE. And, I am proud of the WWE for cleaning up a great sport to make it more healthy to everyone that is a part.

"However, I have no current plans on doing anything in the future on a professional level with WWE. I don't plan on doing commentary. In fact, it hasn't even been brought up to me. I don't plan on being an on air character. I plan on starting the next chapter in my life, and closing the door on this one."
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Take it for what it's worth, but it would appear that he's done.
 
Of course JBL could be simply saying all that so if he were to return to commentating via the draft we're supposed to be shocked. We'll see on what happens. I'd love to see him return to commentating but if not then the best of luck to him with his energy drink future.
 
Yeah I hope he isn't really "DONE" done. With him around there is still the opportunity for Michael Cole to serve his one acceptable purpose... sitting at a commentary booth constantly getting ragged on by JBL.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Is that always what happens then?
I though John Cena winning was the face winning cleanly that they'd want to give the fans, I kinda though Orton would win.

I didn't factor in the idea that the face had to win. The ending of that match was fucking terrible (which made it fit in nicely with the rest of WM25) I really can't see where the feud is going to go from here, if anywhere.[/quote]

Always? No, there's always exceptions to the rule (See heel HHH winning in 2000 or 2001, I forget which), but I always understood WM to be the one where everyone goes home happy. The HHH/Orton match fit that model, if it did nothing else.
 
Who was the genius that booked Kid Rock onto the show? They ended up paying Kid Rock 6-7 figures to waste 20 minutes time and sing hit songs from 1999. Someone should have told Vince that it is 2009. Kid Rock did not lead into one single buy of the ppv or a ticket sold.

That 20 minutes should have been given to the tag match that was cut off the show. Jeff and Matt could have used another 5-10 minutes as well. HHH/Orton could have had 10 minutes cut off from their snoozefest of a match.

It is a Travesty that they brought back Sunny, Molly Holly, etc and they weren't even given entrances. I could barely even see them in the ring due to it being crowded with 25 people who all looked the same. How come they were not able to bring back Trish for this? I am not going to complain about the JBL/Mysterio match because it had been rumored for weeks that JBL is pretty banged up and was going to retire. For the amount of dedication that he has had for the WWE, he deserved his last match being at WrestleMania in his home state.
 
I think somebody already made this point, but the ending of HHH/Orton doesn't leave room for anything. They built that feud up so big and then just end it like that? What would be the harm in Orton winning? Isn't WM the time where guys get "made"?

And yeah, I thought it was pretty cool than Cena came out to the Thuganomics song. The match wasn't that bad, but I thought it was kinda funny how Show got "stuck" in the ropes and could only get out when that little ref helped him out. :D I wish we could see the Show from SD 2003 when Heyman was managing him.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']Always? No, there's always exceptions to the rule (See heel HHH winning in 2000 or 2001, I forget which), but I always understood WM to be the one where everyone goes home happy. The HHH/Orton match fit that model, if it did nothing else.[/quote]


HHH won at WrestleMania 2000. It was the first time that the heel won the main event. Only took 16 years for that to happen. The Main Event should have been strictly HHH/Rock. There was no need to include a retired Foley and Big show into that match. It was just the McMahons putting themselves over the roster and having to be apart of the main event.
 
[quote name='rvdrock']Like I said before, Undertaker-Shawn Michaels only Wrestlemania worthy match, and I was right![/QUOTE]

It's actually kind of ironic, I was going into the PPV thinking this was going to be the dud match. I'm not exactly high on either person at this point in their respective careers, but man they certainly stole the show last night. Text book example on how to do a Wrestlemania match. Which is kinda funny considering the buildup for the match is based solely around HBK being bored and wanting to break the WM streak.

WM left a bad taste in my mouth, I mean they could've done so much better:

They left off a match plenty of people wanted to see, that turned out to be a really good match that could have been sandwiched in somewhere. Maybe they should have ditched the Kid Rock / Divas battle royal which was utterly pointless.

Punk wins the MITB match AGAIN. This is after losing alot of momentum and just has a been there, done that feel to it. Not to mention it feels like no matter what, he's going to lose it (either the title shot, or the match itself).

The legends match was pretty pointless. Y2J beat 3 old ass dudes, only to then get punched out by another old dude. *YAWN*

Would it have killed them to have an actual IC match? I mean it didn't have to be longer than 10 minutes even, but hot damn JBLs last "match" was getting sqaushed by a 5ft nothing, 100lb scrawny Joker wannabe. A former WWE champ, the longest reigning in over a decade, beat in less than a minute AT WRESTLEMANIA'S 25th ANNIVERSARY. If JBL doesn't come back, his career pretty much went out with a whimper.

The Triple Threat wasn't too bad. Yes the end result sucks, but they have to give the kids something and they had to make sure the kids go home happy. Too bad this wasn't the last match of the night, it would've at least made half an ounce more sense then HHH / Orton

Speaking of that match . . . no wait lets not. Plenty of words have been said already and just thinking about it pisses me off greatly. Myke said it best, and to try and say anymore on the subject is pointless.

I'm taking a bit of time off from watching the WWE. Going to catch up on ROH, maybe even watch some TNA.
 
[quote name='Survivor Charlie']I actually just went nuts writing a review of Wrestlemania 23 where I concluded that the reason people try to powerbomb Billy Kidman despite all the evidence that he's an expert in countering the move is obviously part of a conspiracy by the Illuminati and the Lizard Overlords.[/quote]
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What the fuck?

[quote name='mykevermin']
EDIT: Just looked at the diva battle royal roster. who in blue blazes is Joy Giovanni? I recognize the name, but that's about it.[/quote]
She is from the '03(?) Diva Search, was used as Big Show's "girlfriend" for a short while then pretty much disappeared.
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Well, glad I was able to come here today and see my thoughts on Mania are being felt by more than me.

Honestly, I was ready for the crowd to turn on Kid Rock. It's funny because, living in the Detroit area, Kid Rock is a huge deal here. My buddies who I watched mania with are reasonably big Kid Rock fans, and yet everyone wanted it to be over. So many better uses for that time than what it was used for. I really think that, whoever came up with that idea really needs to be fired.

What's funny is, I thought Cena/Edge/Show would have been the perfect face finish ending. For the match before, I think they could have done some things with Orton. Just off the top of my head here, if HHH has to win.

Have HHH get disqualified laying out Orton. Have the bell ring, and have HHH snap. Have him beat Orton to a bloody pulp. Have Stephanie come to try and reason with him, while he doesn't listen (don't have him turn on her, but pick her up, put her out of the ring, and continue the beatdown). Have a moment where several wrestlers start coming down to the ring to try and reason with him, one being Punk. After 5 minutes or so, have HHH appear to be done, and step out of the ring, it seems over, where then, he lays out Punk with the sledgehammer, and picks up MITB briefcase.

He beats the case open with the sledgehammer, takes out the contract, and walks over to JR and the King demanding a pen. They of course oblige, he signs the contract, thows it at a ref attending to Orton. HHH in a rage demands the bell be rung, he pins Orton, and picks up the belt, and leaves. Maybe not a great ending, but the heck it would be better than what we got.

It also would do a couple other things:

1) Builds HHH from a rational superman wrestler into someone with a fault
2) Sets up a couple feuds, including a Punk/HHH one that might make Punk a tolerable wrestler to watch
3) Added bonus for HHH, gets him one more World title closer to Flair.
 
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