The WWE Wrestlemania 25 Thread

That was the best Raw I've seen in a while, save for the main event. The 10 man tag was awesome, and the crowd was hot during that match and throughout the rest of the night.
 
group hug with Steamboat after the tag match was a touching little moment. you could catch Cena mouthing "pleasure working with you" or something along those lines. made me smile :)

Notice how Steamboat simply rolled out of the ring after the crossbody, and let Mysterio get the spotlight and the pin? To be fair I can't say who's call that was, but it came off as a classy move on Steamboat's part.
 
Wrestlemania 25 again reaffirms my opinion that John Cena is still the most overrated superstar in the WWE. My friends and I agreed to a drinking game. If John Cena did these things, we would drink:

1. Attempt a FU
2. Attempt a STFU
3. 5 Knuckle shuffle
4. Shoulder block
5. Top rope leg drop
6. That suplex he does that turns into almost a powerbomb.

Needless to say. We got very very very drunk in only like 15 minutes of time. It's sad that we can just about predict everything he does. The guy attempted an FU like 5 seconds into the match. God I hate John Cena.

For Cena lovers, don't bother replying, I probably won't look in this thread again.

Anyways. Best match of the night I thought was UT versus HBK. My roommate was convinced that UT would lose for some reason and I kept pressing the fact that there was NO WAY in hell UT would lose at Wrestlemania unless it was his LAST Wrestlemania.

Also super impressed by Ricky Steamboat. That guy can straight-up WRESTLE.
 
Scorch said it earlier, just before the show started.

Vickie taking over Raw's the bigger issue, as it's going to suck to hear "EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!" starting off Raw every week. :whistle2:(
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Scorch said it earlier, just before the show started.

Vickie taking over Raw's the bigger issue, as it's going to suck to hear "EXCUSE ME! EXCUSE ME!" starting off Raw every week. :whistle2:([/quote]

This is another storyline they need to kill. It's gone on for too long. Get her fat ass off t.v. She can take Edge with her too.
 
[quote name='Blackout']This is another storyline they need to kill. It's gone on for too long. Get her fat ass off t.v. She can take Edge with her too.[/QUOTE]

You had me until you said "take Edge with her."
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Wrestlemania 25 again reaffirms my opinion that John Cena is still the most overrated superstar in the WWE. My friends and I agreed to a drinking game. If John Cena did these things, we would drink:

1. Attempt a FU
2. Attempt a STFU
3. 5 Knuckle shuffle
4. Shoulder block
5. Top rope leg drop
6. That suplex he does that turns into almost a powerbomb.

Needless to say. We got very very very drunk in only like 15 minutes of time. It's sad that we can just about predict everything he does. The guy attempted an FU like 5 seconds into the match. God I hate John Cena.

For Cena lovers, don't bother replying, I probably won't look in this thread again.

Anyways. Best match of the night I thought was UT versus HBK. My roommate was convinced that UT would lose for some reason and I kept pressing the fact that there was NO WAY in hell UT would lose at Wrestlemania unless it was his LAST Wrestlemania.

Also super impressed by Ricky Steamboat. That guy can straight-up WRESTLE.[/QUOTE]In the tradition of "Michael Cole Bingo" you should try a Michael Cole drinking game... last night you had a "controlled frenzy" and a few "vintage" shots right in the opening match. Or just extend it to all commentary and chug something whenever you get a "dehabilitating" or "CARCINOGENIC FISTS" out of J.R.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I think it's pretty funny how people hate Cena for his limited moveset, yet love Stone Cold Steve Austin.[/quote]
Stone Cold had charisma.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Or just extend it to all commentary and chug something whenever you get a "dehabilitating" or "CARCINOGENIC FISTS" out of J.R.[/QUOTE]

I think someone needs to inform J.R. its "debilitating" not "dehabilitating."
 
[quote name='neocisco']Stunning Steve Austin had a pretty decent moveset. Stone Cold Steve Austin, not as much.[/QUOTE]

Steve's neck injury from my memory pretty much limited his moveset IIRC.
 
Yep. Even with the limited move set, Austin still knew how to properly wield a rather limited move set. Cena does too, just not as well as Austin.
 
It's true... I think it's everyone's first instinct to overestimate the importance of a move set. I've noticed that whenever I re-watch my all time favorite matches, they always seem to have less "moves" then I remember.[quote name='Demolition Man']I think someone needs to inform J.R. its "debilitating" not "dehabilitating."[/QUOTE]Personally I hope no one ever does :D

One of my favorite J.R. calls was when Benoit won the title:
CHRIS BENOIT!!!
IS THE CHAMPION!!!
OF THIS WORLD!!!

his strange emphasis on the word "this" just put it over the top and cracked me up!
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Steve's neck injury from my memory pretty much limited his moveset IIRC.[/QUOTE]

Also his whole moveset was based around brawling. Even with a limited moveset, he had charisma and it worked for him.

Cena's moveset makes no sense. He has a shoulder block, top rope leg drop, that weird suplex powerbomb, rip-off of the people's elbow, Jericho's bulldog, rip-off of the F5 and a submission move. It's a "jack of all trades" and it's as bland as he is. If he's not doing one of those moves, he's getting his ass whipped until he hulks up.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']You had me until you said "take Edge with her."[/quote]

At least until he gets a new gimmick. He is so stale. He's played out. We get it. You take opportunities. If he would hold the belt longer than 3 days he would suck less. I dunno. I just never cared for the guy. His spear is totally weak too.
 
lulz, I know it's lowbrow and terrible, but that whole skit w/"Miss Wrestlemania" and Beth Phoenix was a riot. Not a bad post-Mania RAW overall, all things considered.
 
[quote name='neocisco']Batista's coming back? Crap. I had legitimately forgotten all about him. They're going to have to create another world title with all of these people active that WWE insists on putting titles on ad nauseam.[/QUOTE]
They will probably just drop him into the middle of the Heavyweight Title picture with Edge and Cena.
 
brilliant. center the whole show around the feud whose match shit the bed on Sunday, and don't follow up on one of the top five or so WM matches ever.
 
[quote name='Blackout']At least until he gets a new gimmick. He is so stale. He's played out. We get it. You take opportunities. If he would hold the belt longer than 3 days he would suck less. I dunno. I just never cared for the guy. His spear is totally weak too.[/quote]


You shut your damn face and give Edge the proper respect he deserves!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']brilliant. center the whole show around the feud whose match shit the bed on Sunday, and don't follow up on one of the top five or so WM matches ever.[/QUOTE]
Don't you know that McMahon has to always be the center of attention even though he spends all this money for others to wrestle and entertain. The saddest thing is that I wouldn't mind if he was a decent wrestler but he looks so sad when he tries now it just makes me wish he would just go some where that isn't on TV.
 
Is the draft always this soon after WM?

Last nights Raw seemed completely disposable, the only feud that go any time was the Orton/McMaHHHon's and thats really gone to shit now. Orton doesn't look like a threat at all.

The Santina bit was quite funny though.
 
I watched part of RAW. I wrote the lack of UT/HBK off to "sleeping it off in a hospital", especially Undertaker thanks to his insane dive.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Is the draft always this soon after WM?[/QUOTE]

Don't know. They didn't have one last year.

But the draft itself is always so contrived and superficial and phony. What could they do, in y'alls opinions, to make it seem more like a *genuine* draft, with surprise, intrigue, betrayal, and shock? You know, one that people will watch to see more than "the champions and jame knoble have changed shows fucking AGAIN."
 
Yeah, there was a draft last year. The draft is a bit meaningless these days with the crossover between shows happening more and more each year, so drafting someone to another show doesn't mean they're exclusive to that show.

If they want to make it more genuine, have the general managers make the picks and add their own reasons for the picks like the first draft. It wouldn't work this year when Vickie's trying to take over Raw after conquering Smackdown with her whiny screams.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] one that people will watch to see more than "the champions and jame knoble have changed shows fucking AGAIN."[/quote]

It's all about Jamie Noble for you isn't it Myke, you're such a Noble mark ;)

The way things are now I'm not even sure who's supposed to be on what brand, seeing as they all appear on different shows, also Smackdown has no GM at the mo either, I'm not sure if they need one to do the picks.

The only time they seem to talk about the brands is for Diva matches. Maybe in a transparent attempt at making the viewer care more.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']General managers need to die off of shows for awhile.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's definitely one of the status quo crutches they've been dwelling on in recent years. Back in the day we had no GMs! Just the occasional Jack Tunney appearance, in extreme circumstances.

Like if Jack Tunney actually appeared on TV you thought "oh dip this must be IMPORTANT!!"
 
Tunny showed up twice a year at most, when we had things that were just too cataclysmic. We needed Tunny to keep the universe (the real one, not the metaphorical group WWE sees as its target demographic) in one piece if something like Hogan/Warrior were to happen. Nowadays the show is, ironically, about people with small egos and short tempers micromanaging everything on the program.

C'est la vie.

So I read that Batista made his much-anticipated return last night. I hope someone has a YouTube link to his much-anticipated return, since I only saw Batista's return.
 
ESPN: I know you're a big gamer, while you've been on the road, did THQ take your pictures for "WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2010" yet?


Christian: Yeah, they just did it the other day. It should look really good. I'm excited to see it.

blah... i thought thq was done with the license soon..
 
[quote name='mykevermin']brilliant. center the whole show around the feud whose match shit the bed on Sunday, and don't follow up on one of the top five or so WM matches ever.[/quote]


Those two completely stole the show. 2 hours is about where people are ready for the main event and they delivered big time. So much so that it really took the air out of both the "Main Event" matches that followed. I don't think Michaels/Undertaker was meant to be featured on RAW anyway, but I'm pretty sure McMahon wanted to refocus on what he really wanted people to be hype about @ the PPV. Giving Michaels and Undertaker the night off was pretty much a necessity at that point. Plus, IIRC 'Taker's contract/appearance clause is such where he gets to show up less than most.


[quote name='cdeener']Don't you know that McMahon has to always be the center of attention even though he spends all this money for others to wrestle and entertain. The saddest thing is that I wouldn't mind if he was a decent wrestler but he looks so sad when he tries now it just makes me wish he would just go some where that isn't on TV.[/quote]


Well, to be fair McMahon does whatever he thinks is necessary to "put asses in seats". Granted, he has a much larger sense of self worth than most, but in this case, the McMahon family storyline was supposed to be the close out match of WM25 (it is his company after all) and HBK and Undertaker kind of took that away more than he could've anticipated (in his own mind anyway).


[quote name='benjamouth']Is the draft always this soon after WM?

Last nights Raw seemed completely disposable, the only feud that go any time was the Orton/McMaHHHon's and thats really gone to shit now. Orton doesn't look like a threat at all.

The Santina bit was quite funny though.[/quote]



The RAW after the PPV is always a tough show, especially a PPV as big as WM. Considering this, it really wasn't too bad. I always give the participants credit from coming out the very next night and performing on free TV when theoretically they gave it their all during the PPV.


One "good" thing about the draft is that it can give wrestlers a chance to shine where they might not have otherwise. In some cases, moving to a new show means a chance at a title of some sort, or moving into a different spotlight and greater audience. At minimum, the draft is an excuse to come up with different storylines and keep the matches fresher so the audience doesn't get bored of seeing the same guys fighting each other in the ring. Of course, the shows are separated by broadcast/network, so they really don't have much financial choice but to continue to keep the different brand identities of each show.

But I do agree that having one company own all these different brands is really not helping them much beyond shutting out the competition.
 
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[quote name='guyver2077']ESPN: I know you're a big gamer, while you've been on the road, did THQ take your pictures for "WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2010" yet?


Christian: Yeah, they just did it the other day. It should look really good. I'm excited to see it.

blah... i thought thq was done with the license soon..[/quote]


End of 2009 i believe, at least thats when the action figures from Jakks go, I believe the two were tied together, Mattel gets the toy license in 2010. So one more Smackdown iteration.
 
[quote name='gunm']The RAW after the PPV is always a tough show, especially a PPV as big as WM. Considering this, it really wasn't too bad. I always give the participants credit from coming out the very next night and performing on free TV when theoretically they gave it their all during the PPV.[/quote]

I'll give you that. After working a night like that, I wouldn't mind a day or two to lay on the couch, reminiscing on a job well done and sleeping off the immense afterparty hangover.

One "good" thing about the draft is that it can give wrestlers a chance to shine where they might not have otherwise. In some cases, moving to a new show means a chance at a title of some sort, or moving into a different spotlight and greater audience.
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Give me one instance of this happening.
 
A week after last year's draft, CM Punk cashed in MITB after being drafted from ECW to Raw, beating Edge to reclaim a world championship for Raw's show since HHH took his to Smackdown.
 
I dunno if this counts, but Cena did move up from Heavyweight Champ on the "lesser" show Smackdown to WWE Champ on RAW. Also, Batista moved to Heavyweight Champ on Smackdown.

And as JJSP pointed out, CM Punk moved from ECW to RAW, clearly a huge step up for him.

I'm sure there are smaller mid/lower card changes that are kind of meaningless to us, but more meaningful to the specific wrestlers / Divas involved.
 
Fair enough. Those are some good examples.

doesn't mean I believe in the validity of the brand split at all, but I'll accept Punk's ascendancy to support your claim.
 
I predict Kennedy will once again be drafted to Raw, wrestle twice, get hurt, disappear, give an interview, say something stupid about steroids, then show up on Smackdown again 6 months later with no explanation.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Fair enough. Those are some good examples.

doesn't mean I believe in the validity of the brand split at all, but I'll accept Punk's ascendancy to support your claim.[/quote]


Oh I totally think it's a sham as well. I'm just saying they are stuck with it and are just using the draft for the reasons I mentioned. Ultimately, I think we can agree that the only reason WWE has all those brands in the first place is because they had the opportunity and means to completely eliminate the [that] competition [at that time].

Anyway, it's less a brand split, than them trying just to maintain the "legitimacy" of those brands' individual identities, however false it may be.
 
Excuse me, regarding getting rid of GMs, Vicki Guerrero gets insane heat in that position. I doubt they'll do away with GMs any time soon.
 
General Managers on the whole can go die in a pit. Putting this paint-by-numbers set of tits in the GM position exemplifies just how little advance planning WWE engages in.

Josh Matthews is announcing with Matt Striker on ECW, so I suspect Grisham gets the SD slot. Shame we couldn't have JR and Striker. Would be *fantastic* - Striker has a true vault of wrestling knowledge in his brain, and can still call a match as a heel commentator if needed.
 
I might have to watch ECW once just to listen to Matthews and Striker. That's when Fringe is on though so who knows when that will be. JR and Striker were my pick (or at least my hope) for SD. Oh well. I wouldn't be surprised if they shift JR back to Raw.
 
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