The WWE Wrestlemania 25 Thread

WM 25 was better than I expected it to be. I wasn't excited about the MITB match going in because I was so burnt out of those guys going at it due to the worthless random tag matches, but the match itself was very exciting. I loved seeing Finlay bring back his Belfast Brawler jacket (complete with mini-jacket for Hornswoggle), and I dug his suicide dive and sick landing on the ladder that was wedged between the ropes and the mid-ring ladder.

MVP's somersault dive off the apron was something new, while Shelton's somersault off the ladder was terrifying. Shelton's triple ladder-scale sunset powerbomb came off better than I expected it to. Sure, MVP seemed to screw up the powerbomb portion of it, but Shelton could have easily slipped during any of his ladder-scaling, and didn't. The ending was pretty good, although Punk winning was somewhat anti-climactic. Of the Punk-Kofi team, Kofi shined brighter tonight, and I loved his dropkick through the ladder onto Henry. Christian also looked good in the match, and would have been a more appealing winner than Punk given his ready-made feud with Edge. However, with Edge losing the title tonight, I could see why they wouldn't give him the case win.

Kid Rock's performance would have been really awesome if it was still 1999 and I was back in high school, but since it wasn't, and took up time that could have been used for either the TAG TITLE UNIFICATION match which was friggin advertised for the main show, or been used to give the divas (who in many cases looked nearly identical to one another) actual entrances or at least graphics to know who was who. The match was nothing special, and wasn't even funny due to "Santina" being downplayed. Total failure.

The legends match ruled - Piper and Snuka only did stuff they could actually perform well, so we didn't have another moment like Snuka botching a leapfrog to instantly kill the match. Piper and Snuka also wore attire to cover their guys, which helped maintain the idea of Jericho battling legends and not has-beens. Snuka and Piper went out fairly quickly, leaving just the right amount of time for Jericho and Steamboat to have a very good, memorable match. Steamboat's bald spot and grey hair certainly showed his age, but otherwise, he looked better than expected and moved better than I thought he would.

Sure, he's done some decent-looking stuff over the past 5+ years in both TNA and ROH, but lots of time has passed since then, and aging tends to be unkind for wrestlers. With that said, Steamboat hit just about everything I could have expected, and did most of his moves very well. The backhand chops and arm drags looked fantastic, while his reverse cradle and inside cradle looked off, but still okay, and his skin the cat spot, top rope chop and cross body looked absolutely perfect. Jericho had to be marking out like crazy inside during this match being in there with one of his favorites who basically came out of retirement for him. Very memorable match, although I didn't like the post-match stuff with Rourke. You'd think a guy with boxing experience who was there with Frank Shamrock would have hit him with some better-looking punches.

Matt vs. Jeff Hardy really felt flat after the MITB match. I think doing the ladder-involving match at Backlash and doing a dog collar match here would have worked better. I'm sure they could stiff the daylights out of each other with the chain and still have an exciting match, and for the big highlight reel spot, Jeff could have just dome something after the match. Instead, they delivered a spotfest that paled in comparison to the other one on the show, and it lacked any real emotional response from the crowd, which hurt it as well. Just about the only part of the match I liked was the ending. And Matt finally getting some actual gear.

Rey vs. JBL was just about perfect. JBL's pre-match speech ruled, and the match lasted exactly as long as needed. JBL got some stiff-looking stuff in before, leading to Rey making his big comeback and winning the IC belt in under a minute. Rey's Joker-inspired attire would have been fine if it was just the pants and maybe a top like the kind he wore with the Flash and Daredevil-inspired ones, but the suspenders and horrid Doink-esque mask looked ridiculous and took away from my ability to be excited for Rey having his first WM match in 3 years, and his first IC title win ever.

HBK vs. Taker was epic in every way. HBK's entrance was incredible, and both men definitely brought their A game for this match, which I've been wanting to see since their interaction in the '07 Rumble. With that 2+ year wait, I was skeptical as to whether or not they could deliver - each guy, especially HBK, has suffered some injury-related setbacks since then, but they delivered way more than I thought they could. The match had some great submission spots, like the crossface>sideslam, or HBK escaping the gogoplata by getting to the ropes, and the finisher-related stuff was incredible. The last ride escape leading to the last ride moments later made that move seem important again - especially since the crowd bought into it as a possible ending to the match, and I also loved the superkick getting a two count. What surprised me most was the skin the cat>tombstone getting a 2.99999 count leading to a look of absolute shock on 'Taker's face.

Both that and the moonsault>tombstone finish, along with the terrifying over the top dive where 'Taker thankfully flipped over right before impact were highlight reel-worthy moments. That dive was even scarier than Shelton's due to 'Taker's age, and his height not giving him as much room as a small man to safely avoid landing on his head, but thankfully, he pulled it off. In doing so, he appeared to just squash the camera guy's head with his lower back, but still, that could have ended up far worse, and after seeing that, I hope he either retires that spot or saves it for only big PPV matches.

Cena vs. Show vs. Edge was pretty good. I didn't like this as much as any of the '06 Edge vs. Cena match or the recent Show vs. Cena matches, but it was still fine, and deserving of more excitement going into it than the horrid build-up allowed. Cena being able to hoist Show up on his shoulders after his '07 and '08 injuries was impressive, as was the double FU spot, although that was definitely hurt by Edge falling off about a second after getting onto Show's back. As long as they were able to get a cool photo of it for WWE.com though, or work it into a video package, it served its purpose. It certainly wasn't up to par with the World title matches of the past three 'Manias, but I enjoyed it more than WM 21's HHH-Batista match, which had a great build-up for what wound up being a boring match, or for that matter, the HHH-Jericho WM X8 match, which was also pretty boring, but also had a horrid build-up.

Speaking of HHH and boring WM main events, the show-closer here was definitely the worst match on the tail-end of the show. Now, given how much airtime the storyline took up over the past month, and the top-level characters involved (including the return of Vince), I'm not the least bit surprised that it closed the show, but man would I have preferred either the three way or Taker-Shawn as the show's final match. This was just a long, plodding match that reminded me of that HBK-HHH cell match that just seemed to go on for about five lifetimes for no real reason.

The only thing about this match that I liked was HHH getting some revenge on Orton for punting his in-laws by punting Orton and leaving him laying as a result. If that was the finish, I might've been able to forgive the boring match itself to some degree, but no, they went with the stupid hammer to lead to the finish, which could lead to a Dusty finish - something that's already plenty annoying with any title change, let alone one on the biggest show of the year. Orton should have won this, with HHH getting his revenge at the next PPV.



Angle vs. Tanahashi for the IWGP Title at the 4/5 NJPW show -
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So you think they'll hand the title to Orton tonight on account of the sledgehammer shot, Jay?

Plausible thinking. I'm shitting myself thinking about what a terrible and egocentric idea that is - Triple H booking himself to go over in the event that people will watch on video for decades to come, when he bullshits the company into thinking he's "putting over" Orton because he wins the title the next night anyway. HA! Sounds like WWE's a mark for itself.

Orton's going to bitch, and he's going to be handed the title belt; otherwise, Blackout's right. There's nothing left in this feud to fight over.

What was that one WCW PPV where Benoit won the belt and then had it taken away the next day because me jumped to the WWF? Yeah, that one. This is the kind of title change you're going to see tonight.

My call: by 9:15PM EST tonight, Randy Orton will be the World Heavyweight Champion or whatever the fuck the belt is.

Also, Triple H "made" Orton in the same way Undertaker and Kane "made" DDP and Kanyon. They made them fucking jobbers.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Yeah I hope he isn't really "DONE" done. With him around there is still the opportunity for Michael Cole to serve his one acceptable purpose... sitting at a commentary booth constantly getting ragged on by JBL.[/quote]

favorite JBL comment to Cole was during the draft of 2007:

"Cole, I hope you get drafted to OVW!!"
 
[quote name='lordxixor101']
Have HHH get disqualified laying out Orton. Have the bell ring, and have HHH snap. Have him beat Orton to a bloody pulp. Have Stephanie come to try and reason with him, while he doesn't listen (don't have him turn on her, but pick her up, put her out of the ring, and continue the beatdown). Have a moment where several wrestlers start coming down to the ring to try and reason with him, one being Punk. After 5 minutes or so, have HHH appear to be done, and step out of the ring, it seems over, where then, he lays out Punk with the sledgehammer, and picks up MITB briefcase.

He beats the case open with the sledgehammer, takes out the contract, and walks over to JR and the King demanding a pen. They of course oblige, he signs the contract, thows it at a ref attending to Orton. HHH in a rage demands the bell be rung, he pins Orton, and picks up the belt, and leaves. Maybe not a great ending, but the heck it would be better than what we got.

It also would do a couple other things:

1) Builds HHH from a rational superman wrestler into someone with a fault
2) Sets up a couple feuds, including a Punk/HHH one that might make Punk a tolerable wrestler to watch
3) Added bonus for HHH, gets him one more World title closer to Flair.[/quote]

You know what? That's fantastic, as a next-to-last match. Bravo.
 
we have a smackdown coming here sometime in May

Main event

EDGE wwe champ Vs Undertaker

even today it was on the radio..... wonder how edge is going to get the title (unless the card changes) but i dont see why they been pushing this match for the last 3 weeks
 
[quote name='mykevermin']He was the champion until last night, so it makes sense that radio ads reflected that.[/QUOTE]

Heck we didn't get the advertised dark match of Batista and Rey Mysterio vs. Chris Jericho and Kane at the last RAW show we had here. Instead we got an overly long DX in ring promo. Oh well.
 
Anyone seen this? I can't tell if this is legit or not.

Though his quitting announcement at WrestleMania came off like a storyline of doubted sincerity, John Bradshaw Layfield is sticking to the notion that he has wrestled his last match.

In a WWE Universe blog update, Layfield says he is committed to building his Layfield Energy brand, while simultaneously working with Charlie Haas to grow Custom-Muscle.

Regarding any possible future in pro wrestling, JBL has nothing planned for the short-term.

"I have no current plans on doing anything in the future on a professional level with WWE. I don't plan on doing commentary, in fact; it hasn't even been brought up to me. I don't plan on being an on air character. I plan on starting the next chapter in my life, and closing the door on this one," said the former champion.

He did, nonetheless, leave the door open. He advised, "You may see me in the WWE again."
Also, Colons vs. Miz/Morrison in a Lumberjack rematch for the straps tonight on Raw.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Anyone seen this? I can't tell if this is legit or not.[/quote]

I got a feeling we're going to get swerved on this in a week at the draft when JBL returns to commentating in some form. Just a hunch on my part but I could be wrong.

Also, Colons vs. Miz/Morrison in a Lumberjack rematch for the straps tonight on Raw.

Translation = Thanks for spending $55-65 for a PPV that we advertised a match to be on the show yet didn't show and had as the dark match that will be on the DVD/Bluray that you have to buy in order to see. Yet we'll redo the match on RAW the next night just to rub salt over the wound of everyone who wanted to see that same said match during Wrestlemania.

In other words... fuck you "WWE Universe" from Vince McMahon with love.
 
Holy crap @ a match on Raw and who's involved!

* 10 Man Tag Team match with John Cena, Ricky Steamboat, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio and Jeff Hardy vs. Edge, Big Show, Chris Jericho, Kane and Matt Hardy

:bouncy:
 
Primo Colon's facial hair pisses me off.

Also, it's been a longtime tradition to have a bunch of "You just paid $X to see this, now see it for free 24 hours later!" matches on the post-WM (or post-PPV, really) Raw. Nothing new. And it's not like you'll get a PPV quality match, anyway.
 
I hope they don't start overusing Steamboat. It was great to see him wrestle Jericho but the WWE is known for running things into the ground.

[quote name='mykevermin']Primo Colon's facial hair pisses me off.

Also, it's been a longtime tradition to have a bunch of "You just paid $X to see this, now see it for free 24 hours later!" matches on the post-WM (or post-PPV, really) Raw. Nothing new. And it's not like you'll get a PPV quality match, anyway.[/QUOTE]

Worst one I can remember is HBK/Cena. The WM match blew while people were calling the Raw rematch, match of the year.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']He was the champion until last night, so it makes sense that radio ads reflected that.[/QUOTE]

woops too wwe champ as smackdown champ (title hhh holds) was wondering how the hell edge would got the title from hhh
 
[quote name='Brak']Vince McMahon on TV really, really sucks dick.[/quote]

Adjusted.

[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Hey look, Hurricane Helms is still alive. He was one of the lumberjacks and was cheering for the Colons.[/quote]

I was wondering yesterday if he had been released yet. I bet he gets D-Lo'd real soon.
 
Hmmm, is there a chance Punk could pull a swerve and try to cash in the briefcase tonight after the 8-man tag and try to take advantage of a weakened Cena?

EDIT: This crowd is hot for Steamboat.
 
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I'm glad I get the chance to see Steamboat in more action than he was in last night, and without paying an exorbitant amount, either.

EDIT: What was with the camera catching Jericho, *shouting* "I'm callin' this match!"? Doesn't seem like the sort of thing you'd want, at all, to be caught on camera. Not like Big Show saying "come on" to Steamboat during Ricky's comeback.
 
I will admit I'm enjoying RAW quite a bit tonight. Namely because of the show being very heavy on in ring wrestling for once. Heck RAW by far is better than Mania last night (minus HBK/Taker obviously).
 
What song did Santino come out to? Didn't someone else use that one before?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What's the McMahon Circle Jerk Three-Way stipulation?[/QUOTE]
"Whoever wins, we lose."
 
My DVR crapped out again - I'm taking this thing back. Right in the middle of a "You've still got it!" chant for Steamboat, as well. fucking Comcast. What is the TNA style gimmick they added to it?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What's the McMahon Circle Jerk Three-Way stipulation?[/QUOTE]

Triple H, Shane, or Vince win = Triple H retains title
Orton, Rhodes, or DiBiase win = Randy wins title

And my god...... :rofl: @ the entire Santina segment.
 
The TNA-style stipulation is that the loser gets their Internet forum posts trolled for grammatical errors.
 
[quote name='Brak']The TNA-style stipulation is that the loser gets their Internet forum posts trolled for grammatical errors.[/QUOTE]

Does this mean slidecage is the loser by default? ;)
 
*envisions slidecage being pinned by a Red Box machine*

Mmm...
 
Whoa. Mr. McMahon looked like his own corpse, right there.

Weird, strange, soulless glazed-over fish eyes. :puke:
 
Wow... Randy is pretty good at selling moves but there comes a point where you just can't carry your opponent through a match. Randy shouldn't have to help Vince to spear him into the side of the ring apron, how pathetic.:wall:

This is awful, I don't think I've seen this many half-hearted punches since the last RVD match.
 
You'd have to be either the world's biggest mark or a 6 year-old kid to mark out for this corny shit. :puke:

Triple H comes off as a huge bitch protecting McMahon in the storylines. :lol:
 
Batista's coming back? Crap. I had legitimately forgotten all about him. They're going to have to create another world title with all of these people active that WWE insists on putting titles on ad nauseam.
 
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