Two kids I've known for years just commited a grisly murder 20 minutes from my house.

I think I'm more pissed off about the Dexter comment than anything else. No doubt the media is going to be all over that.
 
-That's usually pretty true about the manslaughter thing. I knew somone who show a guy who was coming after him with a gun, but because the other guy hadn't fired his gun yet, the defendant was charged and convicted of manslaughter. HOWEVER, it was 3rd degree I think, and because of the circumstance, his entecning was only SIS (which is like probation).

- Those guys don't deserve the DP as in death penalty, they deserve the DP double penetration- in jail- for the rest of their lives, so they can suffer. Death is too easy.

- I train dogs, and I work in the veterinary field. Yappers will not save your life!! I see how they may make noise, but they bark when someone farts, so how would you know if they're barking from danger? All you have to do is kick them hard and they shut up. My Jackson would save my life for sure, and he's 80 lbs.
 
nope first im hearing about it but i did hear this others tory about some torture rap guy killing this chick and her family and i thught that was what you were going to mention. its fuckin scary the way people have no value for the lives of others these days.

its depressing i can sort fo understand an abused crazy deprived person lashing out at others but when its people who have a seemingly good life it never makes sense. makes you wonder if kids nowdays arent being coerced somehow and in some way to be killers or to be disconnected from conscience or feelings.

worse than that is wondering about the vitims. lives cut short beause someone thought itd be fun to kill innocent people. of course someone will blame the tv show dexter for why they did it and some may blame the parents i just hope justice is served.
 
[quote name='Sk']Shit like this always happen. People change. You change, I change, everyone changes. Sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad. I'm a firm believer that people change. You never truly know what kind of person you or others will become day by day, year by year. Shit one of my childhood friends is now a methhead. Never in a million years would I have guessed that, but shit happens. We aren't static beings. Nothing shocks me these days.[/QUOTE]


i lost alot of friends like that youre close for years and then over time notice the changes in them and suddenly you dont talk anymore for me though it was moslty due to some of them getting into drugs( using or dealing). had a few go to jail for trying to hold up fast food joints.
 
[quote name='Blackout']I don't know those guys but based on the pics they don't look too friendly. Hell, the guy is posing with a knife. I don't know normal people who do that.

The facebook status update is pretty messed up and is going to bite them in the ass in court. Shit like this isn't surprising at all. People are just sick fucks, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
That's what i was thinking. dude looks a little too happy with the knife.
 
[quote name='lokizz']Of course someone will blame the tv show dexter.[/QUOTE]

Can't even blame Dexter - sure he kills people, but only other killers/rapists/etc.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Can't even blame Dexter - sure he kills people, but only other killers/rapists/etc.[/QUOTE]


Won't really matter. Most people who are stupid enough to blindly scapegoat a tv show, movie, or video game aren't smart enough to research the context in which it portrays violence.
 
i dont even see why they should go to prison...

What is prison going to do for these people...

what you do it take these people of the middle of your town.. chop of each one of their fingers .. then their hands then their arms and just let them bleed to death... maybe then it will teach people

YOU KILL SOMEONE This will happen to you..

No instead we put them in prison where they get a free room and free meals for the rest of their lives..and then they get to play the victim cause of over crowding.
 
[quote name='lokizz']nope first im hearing about it but i did hear this others tory about some torture rap guy killing this chick and her family and i thught that was what you were going to mention. its fuckin scary the way people have no value for the lives of others these days.

its depressing i can sort fo understand an abused crazy deprived person lashing out at others but when its people who have a seemingly good life it never makes sense. makes you wonder if kids nowdays arent being coerced somehow and in some way to be killers or to be disconnected from conscience or feelings.

worse than that is wondering about the vitims. lives cut short beause someone thought itd be fun to kill innocent people. of course someone will blame the tv show dexter for why they did it and some may blame the parents i just hope justice is served.[/QUOTE]

Things used to be worse.
 
The other two people involved were only charged with such things as burglary and armed robbery. So, was this a house robbery gone horribly wrong? Also, why weren't the other two charged as accomplices in the murder and assault? I guess we'll find out more as time goes on.
 
[quote name='Josef']The other two people involved were only charged with such things as burglary and armed robbery. So, was this a house robbery gone horribly wrong? Also, why weren't the other two charged as accomplices in the murder and assault? I guess we'll find out more as time goes on.[/QUOTE]


I'll keep the thread updated. I believe their court date is on the 20th. We're speculating that Glover and Marks ratted out Gribble and Spader for some leniency. I'm not enjoying the thought of them getting a lighter sentence because of it, either. It's been confirmed that all four entered the house with intent to kill, and judging from the information at hand, the only reason Glover and Marks didn't kill anyone is because they didn't get a chance to.

The fact they're not being charged with conspiracy to commit murder or something similar is outrageous.
 
[quote name='Blackout']Was that knife pic recent, as in maybe the past couple of days?[/QUOTE]

That's his mugshot.
 
Damn man this is really sad.

That girl is going to have to live with that horrific experience for the rest of her life.

Jesus Christ.
 
Something similar to that happened near where i live not too long ago; two kids around 16yrs old took off from a troubled youth home outside the city, stole a vehicle, and then murdered an elderly couple in their home. it baffles me that someone is able to do something like that without realizing how wrong and disgusting it is.
 
Even though small towns are portrayed as safe, a lot of the violent/insane stuff seems to happen in small towns.

Locking doors, windows seem to be common sense so I don't understand why people have to be told to do these things. Most people in the city also bar their ground level windows (not many houses are like this since we lack space and build upwards) and front doors.
 
[quote name='jngx80']Even though small towns are portrayed as safe, a lot of the violent/insane stuff seems to happen in small towns.[/QUOTE]


Indeed. Urban violence is mostly fueled by gang fueds, poverty, drugs, etc. Small towns don't experience crime often, but when they do, it's horrific. Rural places seem to be where the real twisted ones dwell until they finally snap. I would be nervous, but I think this incident filled our fucked up crime quota for, say, the next 15-20 years...
 
When I was in high school, there was this guy I knew whose mother had a reputation for being a loudmouth.

Long story short, one day she yelled at some skateboarding kids to get out of her culdesac, they came back at night and started a fire in her garage that burned down the house. The guy I knew was sleeping upstairs from the garage but luckily got out before the place was consumed in flames.

The kids who set the house on fire weren't read their rights by the cops and got off on a technicality. The kid that I knew lived out of a hotel for a bit and then a mobile home.

Needless to say, it's hard for me to dredge up much sympathy for "emotionally disturbed" teens. I've seen how they can disrupt a classroom, bully weaker kids, destroy property. I've seen how they get rewarded by this behavior with the attention they crave, both from ineffectual authorities and their peers. America nurtures these ticking time bombs with counseling, individualized attention, and more rights then their victims - if it was any other country they would be shunned and their actions would bring shame on their family name.
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']I'll keep the thread updated. I believe their court date is on the 20th. We're speculating that Glover and Marks ratted out Gribble and Spader for some leniency. I'm not enjoying the thought of them getting a lighter sentence because of it, either. It's been confirmed that all four entered the house with intent to kill, and judging from the information at hand, the only reason Glover and Marks didn't kill anyone is because they didn't get a chance to.

The fact they're not being charged with conspiracy to commit murder or something similar is outrageous.[/QUOTE]

That's the impression I was getting as well. And it makes me sick that those two are going to get off with what amounts to a slap on the wrist when they seemed to have every bit the murderous intent that Spader and Gribble had.
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw']
If you do have a gun, barricade your door, alert the person outside that you are armed and ready to kill anyone who enters the room. If you shoot them without warning, you could be charged with manslaughter regardless because in most states you can only use equal force in return. If someone comes at you with a knife, you can't shoot them because you aren't using similar force.

Also you can't shoot anyone in your yard. This only applies inside the house.[/QUOTE]

This actually varies quite a bit from state to state. In Indiana:

[quote name='IC 35-41-3-2'](b) A person:
(1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person; and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's unlawful entry of or attack on the person's dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle.[/QUOTE]

So if someone breaks into your house, there's no obligation to call out or verify they're armed or any other such nonsense. The majority of states have also adopted this doctrine, though quite a few still have not. Not that it sounds like it would have mattered in the case at hand, but I guess New Hampshire's legislators passed a castle doctrine law allowing use of force in protecting your house two years ago, but the governor vetoed it. If anyone wants to know the info for their specific state, this page has links to the relevant laws for most states:

http://www.thecastledoctrine.com/id68.html?gclid=CK2BwYG0yJcCFQa-sgodiQpWSA
 
[quote name='slidecage']i dont even see why they should go to prison...

What is prison going to do for these people...

what you do it take these people of the middle of your town.. chop of each one of their fingers .. then their hands then their arms and just let them bleed to death... maybe then it will teach people

YOU KILL SOMEONE This will happen to you..

No instead we put them in prison where they get a free room and free meals for the rest of their lives..and then they get to play the victim cause of over crowding.[/QUOTE]

you watch way to much television.

If you think that's prison, you're highly mistaken.
 
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[quote name='Apex-Hero']it baffles me that someone is able to do something like that without realizing how wrong and disgusting it is.[/QUOTE]

I have a friend who spent the summer working at a camp with "troubled" kids. These kids are all in youth homes throughout the province and they get a week or two away from the city up in camp.

He told me that these kids, these 7-12 year olds, are haaaard. They all come from fucked up homes. These kids are there because they are rapists or murderers or attempted murderers. They have all become institutionalized. They know the system, so you cannot be alone in a room with them -- always 2 adults on hand, so you have a corroborating witness when the inevitable "HE TOUCHED ME!" comes out.

At the end of the day, you try to unfuck these kids as much as possible. Sometimes you are rewarded with knowing you turned someone's life around by showing them that not all adults are out to prey upon them.

But for some it's too late. You can tell, he said, just by looking at them. The lights are on, but nobody's home. These kids, he said, are the ones you know you'll see being led out to the squad car on the news in 10 years. These kids will be the ones with five heads in the freezer.

In essence, to answer Apex-Hero, some people are just broken.
 
[quote name='sendme']their will be. If not Dexter it will be blamed on TV and movies. Some one will come to the side of theis two and blame the media for them being fucked up.[/QUOTE]

I'd go with something like Breaking Bad before I went with Dexter. Dexter (on tv) you have to pay extra for. There are a lot of other things that could be blamed to for instance we could go back to the lobby scene in the Matrix. xD

Bottom line people these days are insane and I can see them just losing it and doing something stupid like shown in this thread.
 
This story is just another reason why I stopped watching the news...the world is too fucked up and reading this stuff just makes me sad.

Someone should pass a law where they allow "eye for an eye" punishment. Let them sleep in their cell, then come in one night and hack and gut the shit out of one of them, then beat the shit and slit the throat of the other.

/joking

Seriously though, death row please, if NH has it.
 
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Even hinting at the possibility of media affecting this outcome is ludicrous. The only way media could ever be at fault is if every single person that watched a particular show attempted murder. Impossible.

But, this case makes me disappointed that we are not allowed to have public stoning's anymore. I would love to lob a good ol' fashioned igneous at this guys head. Douches man...

Also - could this be at all some type of gang initiation? Maybe even a prison gang? Is there any notorious local/prison gangs in the area?
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Also - could this be at all some type of gang initiation? Maybe even a prison gang? Is there any notorious local/prison gangs in the area?[/QUOTE]


I've heard rumors that this was an initiation to a gang that Spader himself started..........that day...
 
Horrifying for sure... unfortunately you can never be 100% safe in this world. They won't see the light of day ever again. What's scary is the two that will probably get a plea and be walking within 1-3 years. Those fucks will be on the prowl again, you can bet. Someone should invade them in their sleep and beat the living shit out of them.

You can minimize your chances for this happening by locking doors, having an alarm, and dog(s). Someone will probably get it instead, but it won't be you. If I was breaking into someone's house and the alarm sounded I would get the hell out of the area.
 
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']Horrifying for sure... unfortunately you can never be 100% safe in this world. They won't see the light of day ever again. What's scary is the two that will probably get a plea and be walking within 1-3 years. Those fucks will be on the prowl again, you can bet. Someone should invade them in their sleep and beat the living shit out of them..[/QUOTE]
See - this is why it would be good if people replicated Dexter. Yup.
 
#1 rule in life - don't trust anyone

....with that out the way....I'm tired of people telling on themselves via facebook/myspace/twitter. COT DAMN, IF YOU JUST DID SOME NASTY SHIT OR YOU'RE ON THE RUN OR ARE PLANNING ON COMMITTING A CRIME....DON'T TELL THE WORLD!

The fact that Dexter was included in there makes it seem as if that show will be promptly blamed for this.
 
[quote name='rickshankshaw'] If you shoot them without warning, you could be charged with manslaughter regardless because in most states you can only use equal force in return. If someone comes at you with a knife, you can't shoot them because you aren't using similar force.

Also you can't shoot anyone in your yard. This only applies inside the house.[/QUOTE]Not in Texas, or any sane state. At any rate, no jury should vote to convict anyone defending their home from intruders.
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']Not in Texas, or any sane state. At any rate, no jury should vote to convict anyone defending their home from intruders.[/QUOTE]

What other sane states?

I also want to point out that the "my town has never had something like this happen" line of thought reeks of self-righteousness. Is your town better than Detroit? Is your town too good for psychos? I mean there are crazy people everywhere and when people say, "I never thought it could happen here", I always want to shake them and say, "Why not?!"
 
Well at least they caught these killers the one who killed that mother of like five kids a few months ago in the lakes region is apparently still on the loose and she was butchered up too.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']cot damn, if you just did some nasty shit or you're on the run or are planning on committing a crime....don't tell the world! [/quote]

cot?
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']See - this is why it would be good if people replicated Dexter. Yup.[/QUOTE]

Seconded. If we had REAL Dexters we'd have less of these scum.

Unfortunately we'll just get a bunch of schizo nut jobs who never went to college, don't know what DNA stands for, and kill women in their sleep while pretending to be Dexter.
 
Ha, I don't think the small border town I grew up in went a week without a murder. On the flip side to this story, they hardly ever reported them in the news.

Sucks about this event though.
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']Not in Texas, or any sane state. At any rate, no jury should vote to convict anyone defending their home from intruders.[/QUOTE]

Since when is Texas a sane state?
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Since when is Texas a sane state?[/QUOTE]
Since they executed all the crazy people?
 
Give them a break. They're young and naturally feel rebellious. The rebellious stage will pass. The right thing to do now is turn the other cheek and offer them forgiveness. Don't ruin their lives by locking them in prison. At worse they are victims of their society. If anyone deserves to be punished it should be their community, not them since they are simply the product of it. So again, they are still young kids and have potential to do great things in the future. Do not take their future away from them.
 
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