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Well... At least they didn't say he overcame the odds this time. Michael Cole must be slipping, that was vintage John Cena.

In all seriousness, I did enjoy the PPV as a whole despite the ending. Cena hasn't held the belt since TLC 2013, so it was bound to happen. My greatest disappointment is that they didn't at least throw the older fans a bone and at least split the titles.

 
Cena's winning to transition the title to Brock since Bryan can't wrestle and may never wrestle again. I'm not a big fan of him winning this, but it's not surprisingly in the slightest since the DVD art got out earlier in the week with that main event on it anyway.

 
So this thread starts with bad news and ends with bad news. I feel sick to the gut. It feels like there's been a giant change to the WWE since Wrestlemania ended and it's hard for me to accept change (Warrior's death hit me hard). That along with some things going on offline, the last thing I need is the same old thing that I don't like. And yet here we are.

There's some great things going on in WWE with new talent; John Cena winning tonight and rubbing it in our faces with a new shirt tomorrow night is just ..... pathetic. I'm sick of this same old shit, especially if they bring in Lesnar to attack Cena. This has already happened. I should be happy to tune in tomorrow night.

But I'm not. So as a result, I'm not watching WWE until further notice. I feel like I need to do other things to make my life better; not dread something as little as a TV show. I could see myself watching it in the form of the WWE Network with vitange shows and behind the scenes stuff, but life circumstances at this time are making that look bleak.

For the first time, I feel like I'm too old (33) to watch what the current product is becoming. A drastic change is in order.

 
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mitch079 said:
And the PPVs. I'd rather stream them in HD in full screen then watch a 360i feed in a little box.
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Current PPV's are a very small reason of why I'm a subscriber. On nights like tonight, it's like, "oh well, Cena won again, good thing Hogan is taking on Piper in five minutes!" and I just switch over to Starrcade '96

 
JaytheGamefan said:
Cena's winning to transition the title to Brock since Bryan can't wrestle and may never wrestle again. I'm not a big fan of him winning this, but it's not surprisingly in the slightest since the DVD art got out earlier in the week with that main event on it anyway.
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I haven't heard this before. Can anyone elaborate? This is Daniel Bryan, correct?

 
Well glad I ended up beating Far Cry 3 (had let it sit in my backlog after getting to the 2nd island) tonight instead of worrying about the PPV. I was not happy with the direction of the company post RR and fed up along with Punk so that's why I wasn't going to give my money to WWE.

I almost broke down twice, once after WM (but then heard the rumblings about Bryan's injury) and once before tonight. Now I feel comfortable continuing my boycott.

 
neocisco said:
I haven't heard this before. Can anyone elaborate? This is Daniel Bryan, correct?
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It's up in the air since his rehab has not been going very well. There really has not been much talk of him "never wrestling again," but I suppose there's a small chance of it. He may be getting a second surgery in the coming weeks to try to correct whatever the lingering issues may be.
 
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To the people complaining about Cena, please tell me who would be the better choice to have won that match?

Let's get rid of the guys who absolutely had no chance of winning: Del Rio, Kane, and Sheamus. And also we know that Brock is gonna be at Summerslam so let's take that into account.

-Reigns: The guy they're building as one of the premiere stars for the company and already having him win the world title within a month of going solo. Seems way too fast. Plus say he wins and he takes on Brock at SS. Lose/lose situation for everyone. You have Reigns win and you lose the incredible build for Brock after taking Undertaker's streak. Say Brock wins, then you lose the big momentum for Reigns coming into the event. You gotta give him more time before having him say beat Brock or winning the championship to make the win feel more satisfying.

-Orton: Highly doubt they would put the belt back on him. Look at what happened to the past few feuds hes been in. Crowd chanting boring and no one gave 2 shits about the title until Bryan took it from him. Plus I think we can all agree that an Orton/Lesnar main event at SS would do terrible numbers.

-Wyatt: Just cant see him winning the title unless he was going to turn face. If he would have stayed heel, who would he feud with? Seems like they already wrapped up the Cena storyline so he would most likely have to start a new feud with someone.

-That leaves Cesaro and Cena. Coming into this event I was pretty sure either one of these guys were going to win it. With Cesaro, you pull the trigger now on Heyman turning on him and siding with Brock and it fits perfectly into the Summerslam angle. With Cena you have him drop the belt to Lesnar and still have both guys looking strong coming out of it. With Cena losing you also have Brock evening the score with the Cena win at Extreme Rules 2012 and could set up the third and final match somewhere down in the fall time with Brock holding the belt til WM for Bryan most likely.

 
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Cena was expected.  I'm guessing when Bryan is ready he'll be mixed up in the Reigns/Orton Kane thing.  Maybe even teaming with Ambrose/Reigns against Rollins/Orton/Kane. 

My real disappointment with the show was the Wyatt family not getting the tag titles.  That group needs a damn win.

 
No mention of Sandow as Paul Revere yelling "The elbow is coming! The elbow is coming! The elbow is coming!" before proceeding to drop the elbow on Rose?

 
battlegrounds must be one hell of a shitty ppv coming or something. What was it   pushed like one time and they were like no big deal.   At least money in the bank  had like  4 or 5 ads during  paybak

 

TheRock88 said:
To the people complaining about Cena, please tell me who would be the better choice to have won that match?

Let's get rid of the guys who absolutely had no chance of winning: Del Rio, Kane, and Sheamus. And also we know that Brock is gonna be at Summerslam so let's take that into account.

-Reigns: The guy they're building as one of the premiere stars for the company and already having him win the world title within a month of going solo. Seems way too fast. Plus say he wins and he takes on Brock at SS. Lose/lose situation for everyone. You have Reigns win and you lose the incredible build for Brock after taking Undertaker's streak. Say Brock wins, then you lose the big momentum for Reigns coming into the event. You gotta give him more time before having him say beat Brock or winning the championship to make the win feel more satisfying.

-Orton: Highly doubt they would put the belt back on him. Look at what happened to the past few feuds hes been in. Crowd chanting boring and no one gave 2 shits about the title until Bryan took it from him. Plus I think we can all agree that an Orton/Lesnar main event at SS would do terrible numbers.

-Wyatt: Just cant see him winning the title unless he was going to turn face. If he would have stayed heel, who would he feud with? Seems like they already wrapped up the Cena storyline so he would most likely have to start a new feud with someone.

-That leaves Cesaro and Cena. Coming into this event I was pretty sure either one of these guys were going to win it. With Cesaro, you pull the trigger now on Heyman turning on him and siding with Brock and it fits perfectly into the Summerslam angle. With Cena you have him drop the belt to Lesnar and still have both guys looking strong coming out of it. With Cena losing you also have Brock evening the score with the Cena win at Extreme Rules 2012 and could set up the third and final match somewhere down in the fall time with Brock holding the belt til WM for Bryan most likely.
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They're having Rollins get monster heat right now by being the guy who split up the shield, so why not have Kane win the ladder match and then have Rollins come down and cash in his newly won MITB and have Kane lay down for him? He gets cocky, takes Cena's challenge, drops the belt to Cena and loses the good graces of The Authority and spends time as a heel trying to get revenge on Cena ultimately causing him to lose against Brock.

For that matter, why not let anyone else win that ladder match and Orton/Kane/H stomp them and then let Rollins come out for the cash in? Rollins is not even remotely ready, same as Reigns, but putting an undeserved title on a heel always gets them huge heat so why not let Rollins be the placeholder for a month or two?

Why not let Orton win to show the dominance of The Authority (bc they had two members in the match the whole time) and have him feud with Brock (bc Brock's now a legend for ending the streak -- and what does Randy Orton do?) ultimately dropping the belt to him which can open up the Brock/Cena title match already leaked. The other angle to this is that Orton having the belt makes Rollins look like second fiddle which makes him feel unappreciated and can easily set up a Rollins cash in swerve on Orton for the face turn. Who gives a shit if the crowd chants boring when the title is on Orton? They did the same thing when Triple H was unbeatable during his tyrannical run when the King of Kings gimmick was made..

Wyatt's not getting the belt because there's no way to tie him to Lesnar, and he's already feuded with Cena to death at this point so there's no real point in wasting time on the writing.

Sheamus has the US title, no reason to change his position. Rollins was really the only choice for the MITB match because there was an angle to work on later. RVD is just there to put on a good show and keep things interesting, as was Kofi.

Del Rio I think is starting to wind down and may possibly be on his way out since it's clear WWE has never had any idea how to book a Latino talent that wasn't Eddie Guerrero (and only then because WCW had done a good job with his packaging) and I think he'd be happier in TNA/ROH.

Reigns is being groomed for a strong title run, but I'm afraid they won't know what to do with him despite being over with the crowd. I have a feeling they'll make the Jack Swagger mistake with his title run and he'll quickly go from headliner to middle card purgatory again.

Cesaro, much like Reigns isn't ready for a title run yet -- and at this point it would be dumb to have him win the belt considering the belt is the only challenge left for Brock Lesnar after breaking the streak. Heyman could have turned on him, but then there would have never been a point to make him a Heyman guy other than to break up We the People, which was dumb anyway because he and Swagger should have stayed a dominant tag team, something that could have helped them revitalize the division which desperately needs it. The Usos are fine, the Wyatts are fine, but other than Rybaxel and GoldStar Dust, there's no other competition and makes the tag titles yet again as useless as the Intercontinental championship.

They don't bother building people anymore. The last person I remember getting a proper build on the mid card titles was John Cena, and he made the US Title seem worthwhile for a long time before finally moving up to the main event. That was when the US title was the Smackdown equivalent of the IC belt, and because of the terrible booking, the US title seemed like a bigger deal.

Also, as a final note, I didn't know who Adam Rose is since I only watch the product for the PPVs, but why aren't they teaming him with Fandango? They're practically the same character, just one prefers hot chicks while the other prefers silly costumed people. It clicked for me when the crowd started singing his theme during that shitty match, the same way they do Fandango.

tl;dr -- There are plenty of ways to write this story other than "LOL GIVE IT TO CENA" but the product is always going to suffer until WWE gets writers who actually care about the wrestling business and telling storylines that make sense for the product.

 
It would have been a hot ending if they did the Rollins cash in right there (Maverick style. "You win, I do nothing.  Anybody else wins I do what I did")

But i'm not sure where they go from there aside from The Authority immediately turning on him to get the belt back to Orton as a play on the original Evolution break up.  That would leave Rollins in a very interesting spot - No chance of a Shield reunion, no allies in The Authority - would go very well with his Snake Plissken gear.  

I do like the idea that none of the members of The Shield should have any friends going forward considering what they did to the entire roster as a group.

 
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Honestly, a decent semblance of storyline writes itself here. Cena won, Kane/Orton/H should have stomped him and Rollins cashes in to win. Authority brags about how the perks of leaving a rogue faction like the Shield has clear benefits and they tout Rollins as their champion (corporate style) and then in his title match with Cena, they intentionally screw him and say he wasn't good enough to represent them. Cena wins and goes on to Lesnar (with possible Cena/Rollins feud after he drops the belt by Rollins interference) and that further solidifies the "no friends for the Shield" angle as you suggested.

How do they have such terrible writers who can't see this shit easily writing itself?

 
diddy310 said:
Cena was expected. I'm guessing when Bryan is ready he'll be mixed up in the Reigns/Orton Kane thing. Maybe even teaming with Ambrose/Reigns against Rollins/Orton/Kane.

My real disappointment with the show was the Wyatt family not getting the tag titles. That group needs a damn win.
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Damn right they need to win. I am surprised they didn't make an appearance at the ladder match. They need to kick some Uso ass. Maybe they didn't win because the Dust Bros. are going to compete for the belt again. I'm not sure where they can take Rowan and Harper without Wyatt.

bardockkun said:
No mention of Sandow as Paul Revere yelling "The elbow is coming! The elbow is coming! The elbow is coming!" before proceeding to drop the elbow on Rose?
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That was fucking epic. I actually though he was going to win that match for a few minutes.

Lana looked great as always. She is the only reason I want Rusev to win, that and the fact he manhandles everyone. Good thing it wasn't another 3 minute squash match. I bet Big E is still feeling that accolade.

 
TheRock88 said:
To the people complaining about Cena, please tell me who would be the better choice to have won that match?

Let's get rid of the guys who absolutely had no chance of winning: Del Rio, Kane, and Sheamus. And also we know that Brock is gonna be at Summerslam so let's take that into account.

-Reigns: The guy they're building as one of the premiere stars for the company and already having him win the world title within a month of going solo. Seems way too fast. Plus say he wins and he takes on Brock at SS. Lose/lose situation for everyone. You have Reigns win and you lose the incredible build for Brock after taking Undertaker's streak. Say Brock wins, then you lose the big momentum for Reigns coming into the event. You gotta give him more time before having him say beat Brock or winning the championship to make the win feel more satisfying.

-Orton: Highly doubt they would put the belt back on him. Look at what happened to the past few feuds hes been in. Crowd chanting boring and no one gave 2 shits about the title until Bryan took it from him. Plus I think we can all agree that an Orton/Lesnar main event at SS would do terrible numbers.

-Wyatt: Just cant see him winning the title unless he was going to turn face. If he would have stayed heel, who would he feud with? Seems like they already wrapped up the Cena storyline so he would most likely have to start a new feud with someone.

-That leaves Cesaro and Cena. Coming into this event I was pretty sure either one of these guys were going to win it. With Cesaro, you pull the trigger now on Heyman turning on him and siding with Brock and it fits perfectly into the Summerslam angle. With Cena you have him drop the belt to Lesnar and still have both guys looking strong coming out of it. With Cena losing you also have Brock evening the score with the Cena win at Extreme Rules 2012 and could set up the third and final match somewhere down in the fall time with Brock holding the belt til WM for Bryan most likely.
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Finally someone who gets it. John Cena was the only logical choice to win last night. Cena/Lesnar at Summerslam is the biggest money they can do at this point by far. You absolutely DO NOT want the future stars of your company (Wyatt/Reigns/Rollins/Ambrose/Cesaro ect.) to have a rushed title reign that is ended in less than 2 months to Lesnar. Besides, none of these guys is ready to be the "guy" yet, they just aren't. I mean The Shield have been split up for A MONTH.....you can't have three guys who haven't even developed a singles identity be your sole heavyweight champion. As for Cesaro, for whatever reason he has lost a lot of momentum since Wrestlemania, you need to get him wrestling in main events consistently before you put the belt on him. Orton/Sheamus/Del Rio/Kane speak for themselves....they come out and almost no one cares, ect. Bray Wyatt is the closest to being ready for the belt but IMO they need to push him as either a full on face or heel, I think I would actually prefer him as a face, before he gets a title run. Tweener champions don't put asses in seats.

The smark asshurt Online since last night has made me LOL. People today just want to shotgun everything nowadays, they need long buildups in the main event before they get theirs (Daniel Bryan last year is a great example of this), people who haven't been singles competitors for a full month yet have no business being the face of the company.
 
We'll probably get to see Cesaro flirt with the main event for a few weeks now at least because we know Brock isn't working all of the weeks leading up to Summerslam. 

He won't win, but Cesaro/Cena work incredibly well together. 

 
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Yeah, I'm one of the ones that thinks it makes sense to put the belt on Cena.  Everyone else in that match would've felt like a poor match for Lesnar in a title match at Summerslam.  They could also use their match from Extreme Rules 2 years ago as an excuse for match(as Lesnar wants to prove he can beat Cena and take the belt).  Plus we'll only have to put up with Cena as the champ for a month & 1/2, as Lesnar is supposedly getting the belt then. 

It was also pointed out that one of the top searches last night on Google was how to cancel a WWE Network subscription.   So Xilly wasn't the only one looking into canceling their subscription.  Although it seems to be blamed on a mixture of people pissed at the results and the technical problems they had during streaming it last night.  As It kept going out for some people and WWE basically told them it's due to high traffic.  When that's your problem and you're not fixing it, of course people are going to get fed up and cancel.

 
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xilly said:
How do they have such terrible writers who can't see this shit easily writing itself?
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Your posts had some good ideas, but this part is what it all comes down to. What was the point of having The Shield eliminate Undertaker if he doesn't get revenge on them when he returns?

I feel like the WWE is turning into reruns. What was the point of having Wyatt-Cena when Cena beats him multiple times? They did this last year with another guy who was getting a push and had some fan support - Ryback.

Speaking of Ryback, how many times do we need to see Rybaxel vs. Dust 2 Dust? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they have a re-rematch on tonight's Raw.

How many times do we need to see Rosev defeat the same people (Ryder, Woods, Sin Cara, Big E) over and over? Like burritoman, I was watching just for Lana. She reminds me of a dominatrix with her stern demeanor - plus she always does that halfway turn to tease us.

Even at last night's PPV, we see Kane standing there holding a ladder for someone to climb in two different matches. I don't hate Seth winning that match, but they didn't need to do it via run-in. They tease about Kane going back to being a "monster" and now he's just a support beam.

There's some good stuff in there with some up and coming talent, but there's too much crap going on for me to sit through in order to get to it.

With the free Hulu Plus subscription Xbox Gold members are getting, maybe I'll just wait for it to near expiration and watch Raw's as a marathon so I can fast forward to the good stuff.

 
tangytangerine said:
Yeah, I'm one of the ones that thinks it makes sense to put the belt on Cena. Everyone else in that match would've felt like a poor match for Lesnar in a title match at Summerslam. They could also use their match from Extreme Rules 2 years ago as an excuse for match(as Lesnar wants to prove he can beat Cena and take the belt). Plus we'll only have to put up with Cena as the champ for a month & 1/2, as Lesnar is supposedly getting the belt then.

It was also pointed out that one of the top searches last night on Google was how to cancel a WWE Network subscription. So Xilly wasn't the only one looking into canceling their subscription. Although it seems to be blamed on a mixture of people pissed at the results and the technical problems they had during streaming it last night. As It kept going out for some people and WWE basically told them it's due to high traffic. When that's your problem and you're not fixing it, of course people are going to get fed up and cancel.
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To be fair, I cancelled mine for the screenshot lulz, but I only ever watch the monthly ppv's and I don't know that they're worth paying for when they've been such shit quality lately. On top of that, I had several issues with the stream last night (really the first time I've ever felt the need to complain) as my stream constantly dropped quality and froze multiple times last night. That could be an issue with Chrome or that could be an issue with their network traffic, I don't really know. All I know is unless the product gets better, I can't see any reason to support it. The archive is a nice touch, but watching the old content doesn't have the same magic it once had and I find most things fairly to sit and watch again, especially for things I remember the outcomes on.

 
Streaming worked fine for me. I froze once during Sandow/Rose but otherwise it worked perfectly.

Also you guys are a bunch of whiners. JFC. Nobody gives a flying fuck if you're "boycotting" WWE network. GTFO.

Anyway, PPV was a little lacking but the briefcase match fully delivered, as did Usos/Wyatts. Paige/Naomi was also very good for WWE women's division standards. Cena winning was the only plausible outcome once Orton spoke out at HHH/Rollins.

I think I'm starting to dig the Hip Hop Headshrinkers.
 
Just catching up on NXT, who came up with the idea of the Vaudevillains? What a terrible idea. This crap makes Mojo look like an A+ player.
 
HydroX said:
Just catching up on NXT, who came up with the idea of the Vaudevillains? What a terrible idea. This crap makes Mojo look like an A+ player.
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I couldn't possibly disagree more witht this haha. The Vaudevillians is a great idea, something unique is always welcome in my book. You are right about Mojo though......that guy just sucks.
 
HydroX said:
Just catching up on NXT, who came up with the idea of the Vaudevillains? What a terrible idea. This crap makes Mojo look like an A+ player.
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They've only been a tag team for two weeks, but I love their entrance. It's so weird and fun. I think we'll just have to wait and see how they progress.

http://youtu.be/xhhHPv5arqE

 
Kinda interesting that they're using the WWE Network logo for WWE 2k15. I know I was wrong that they'd change the logo at Wrestlemania 30, but it looks like they may be changing it after all.

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Cage017 said:
Your posts had some good ideas, but this part is what it all comes down to. What was the point of having The Shield eliminate Undertaker if he doesn't get revenge on them when he returns?

I feel like the WWE is turning into reruns. What was the point of having Wyatt-Cena when Cena beats him multiple times? They did this last year with another guy who was getting a push and had some fan support - Ryback.

Speaking of Ryback, how many times do we need to see Rybaxel vs. Dust 2 Dust? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they have a re-rematch on tonight's Raw.

How many times do we need to see Rosev defeat the same people (Ryder, Woods, Sin Cara, Big E) over and over? Like burritoman, I was watching just for Lana. She reminds me of a dominatrix with her stern demeanor - plus she always does that halfway turn to tease us.

Even at last night's PPV, we see Kane standing there holding a ladder for someone to climb in two different matches. I don't hate Seth winning that match, but they didn't need to do it via run-in. They tease about Kane going back to being a "monster" and now he's just a support beam.

There's some good stuff in there with some up and coming talent, but there's too much crap going on for me to sit through in order to get to it.

With the free Hulu Plus subscription Xbox Gold members are getting, maybe I'll just wait for it to near expiration and watch Raw's as a marathon so I can fast forward to the good stuff.
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I actually can't watch RAW or Smackdown live, they come on Universal on Saturday evening, so I watch Saturday night/Sunday Morning. I fast forward through about half of them.

I would like Bo Dallas if they would just tone him down. Don't give him the damn microphone every damn time.

I don't know, I still enjoy it. I was away from wrestling for about 8 years or so, and I am having a good time with these new guys. I just get sick of the same matches every week. We need more Emma!

 
Zeb Colter is one of the best things on TV, and the best thing to happen to Jack Swagger

 
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Swagger's probably going to get crushed as punishment for Barrett, but those two clubbing eachother should be a lot of fun the same way Big E/Rusev was.

 
Has it ever been discussed why Bray Wyatt uses a different lantern at ringside than the one he uses backstage? My first thought was because of fire regulations.

 
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Swagger was over as fuck.

KillerRamen said:
They've only been a tag team for two weeks, but I love their entrance. It's so weird and fun. I think we'll just have to wait and see how they progress.

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Let's hope they don't progress. Terrible idea is terrible. A bad gimmick can only go so far, really.

Bull Dempsey is CM Punk in comparison to them.

 
This first hour of Raw has already been better than the entire PPV last night (outside of the contract match). The Hartford crowd is pretty hot.

 
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