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Ha-Ha, I'd have liked to see him get longer but he should lose a ton of money as well, so thats something.
Vick pleads guilty, gets 23 months in federal "pound me in the ass prison"
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[quote name='crushtopher']Wow, what he did was nothing less than inhumane, but there are far worse crimes out there that don't provide a larger sentence...[/quote]
Indeed, this whole trial has been blown out of proportion and is ridiculous. I think this is the US getting even for cases like OJ and did that idiot Jayson Williams ever go back to trial? Christ he killed a man with a shotgun at point blank range and hasn't been convicted. I'm stunned Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton haven't appeared yet to defend Vick.
You want to make an example of a black male athlete, fine, but do it with someone that is an actual danger to people like that asshole Jamaal Tinsley who won't stop doing dumb shit until someone ends up dead.
Yes, what Michael Vick did was wrong. Yes, he's obviously a crappy person. And yes, he should be punished, but if you're going to go this overboard with it all why not start arresting the people at the dog pound every time they put a
ing dog to sleep? Just assinine.
Indeed, this whole trial has been blown out of proportion and is ridiculous. I think this is the US getting even for cases like OJ and did that idiot Jayson Williams ever go back to trial? Christ he killed a man with a shotgun at point blank range and hasn't been convicted. I'm stunned Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton haven't appeared yet to defend Vick.
You want to make an example of a black male athlete, fine, but do it with someone that is an actual danger to people like that asshole Jamaal Tinsley who won't stop doing dumb shit until someone ends up dead.
Yes, what Michael Vick did was wrong. Yes, he's obviously a crappy person. And yes, he should be punished, but if you're going to go this overboard with it all why not start arresting the people at the dog pound every time they put a
ing dog to sleep? Just assinine.
[quote name='Zenithian Legend'] Yes, what Michael Vick did was wrong. Yes, he's obviously a crappy person. And yes, he should be punished, but if you're going to go this overboard with it all why not start arresting the people at the dog pound every time they put a ing dog to sleep? Just assinine.[/quote]
I'm no fan of euthanasia as population control, but you're equating humanely putting a dog to sleep to beating it and maltreating it from birth for the sole purpose of either having its throat ripped out or ripping another dog's throat out for your personal enjoyment and a little cash?
THAT'S assinine.
ing dog to sleep? Just assinine.[/quote] I'm no fan of euthanasia as population control, but you're equating humanely putting a dog to sleep to beating it and maltreating it from birth for the sole purpose of either having its throat ripped out or ripping another dog's throat out for your personal enjoyment and a little cash?
THAT'S assinine.
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[quote name='Tybee']I'm no fan of euthanasia as population control, but you're equating humanely putting a dog to sleep to beating it and maltreating it from birth for the sole purpose of either having its throat ripped out or ripping another dog's throat out for your personal enjoyment and a little cash?
THAT'S assinine.[/quote]
To say it is humane is subjective though. It's still killing (admittedly within the law). If it is something you wouldn't do to a human being, I don't see how anyone can justify it as humane. Legal, yes. I just don't see it being all that humane.
THAT'S assinine.[/quote]
To say it is humane is subjective though. It's still killing (admittedly within the law). If it is something you wouldn't do to a human being, I don't see how anyone can justify it as humane. Legal, yes. I just don't see it being all that humane.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']To say it is humane is subjective though. It's still killing (admittedly within the law). If it is something you wouldn't do to a human being, I don't see how anyone can justify it as humane. Legal, yes. I just don't see it being all that humane.[/quote]
True. It is shades of gray. Like I said, euthanasia should be a measure of last resort. I would love it if people would suddenly become responsible and spay and neuter their pets and we could go to all no-kill shelters. Incidentally, my wife consulted with a shelter here in Atlanta and helped them convert to no-kill a few years ago while increasing the number of animals they were able take in and adopt out. That showed us both a lot of the sad realities of the situation. But if given the choice between putting a dog to sleep and sending it to die in a dog fighting ring, I think you'd pretty quickly be able to determine which is more humane, law or no law.
True. It is shades of gray. Like I said, euthanasia should be a measure of last resort. I would love it if people would suddenly become responsible and spay and neuter their pets and we could go to all no-kill shelters. Incidentally, my wife consulted with a shelter here in Atlanta and helped them convert to no-kill a few years ago while increasing the number of animals they were able take in and adopt out. That showed us both a lot of the sad realities of the situation. But if given the choice between putting a dog to sleep and sending it to die in a dog fighting ring, I think you'd pretty quickly be able to determine which is more humane, law or no law.
[quote name='Tybee']I'm no fan of euthanasia as population control, but you're equating humanely putting a dog to sleep to beating it and maltreating it from birth for the sole purpose of either having its throat ripped out or ripping another dog's throat out for your personal enjoyment and a little cash?
THAT'S assinine.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Like all those farmers who raise pigs and cows just so they can be slaughtered. And then they sell them for people to eat!
Vick is an asshole, but I think this case is blown way out of proportion. He should go to jail for gambling and such, but the hate he has gotten over killing dogs is ridiculous. Whats the difference between raising dogs just to kill them and raising other animals just to kill them?
THAT'S assinine.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Like all those farmers who raise pigs and cows just so they can be slaughtered. And then they sell them for people to eat!
Vick is an asshole, but I think this case is blown way out of proportion. He should go to jail for gambling and such, but the hate he has gotten over killing dogs is ridiculous. Whats the difference between raising dogs just to kill them and raising other animals just to kill them?
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I'm all for euthanizing a sick or dying animal, as I am for euthanizing a terminally ill human (that's another can of worms though) but killing an animal just because no one wants it is just as cruel...
[quote name='ananag112']Yeah. Like all those farmers who raise pigs and cows just so they can be slaughtered. And then they sell them for people to eat!
Vick is an asshole, but I think this case is blown way out of proportion. He should go to jail for gambling and such, but the hate he has gotten over killing dogs is ridiculous. Whats the difference between raising dogs just to kill them and raising other animals just to kill them?[/QUOTE]
Are youing serious?
Are youing seriously comparing farmers raising pigs and cows for food and killing them in a "humane" (aka fairly quick) fashion to breeding (mistreating) dogs to fight to the death for your entertainment and then "punishing" them for losing by slowly hanging/electrocution/strangling them?
Vick is an asshole, but I think this case is blown way out of proportion. He should go to jail for gambling and such, but the hate he has gotten over killing dogs is ridiculous. Whats the difference between raising dogs just to kill them and raising other animals just to kill them?[/QUOTE]
Are you
ing serious?Are you
ing seriously comparing farmers raising pigs and cows for food and killing them in a "humane" (aka fairly quick) fashion to breeding (mistreating) dogs to fight to the death for your entertainment and then "punishing" them for losing by slowly hanging/electrocution/strangling them?[quote name='Sporadic']Are you ing serious?
Yes, farmers raising pigs and cows for food and killing them in a "humane" fashion is the same exact thing asbreeding mistreating dogs to fight to the death for your entertainment and then "punishing" them for losing by slowly hanging/electrocution/strangling them.[/QUOTE]
Whats considered humane though? Not all farms operate at the same standards. Living conditions on some of these farms are horrible as well. I am sure that if dogs were bred and raised in the same conditions as some of these other animals, people would cry foul. Also, it could be considered that eating meat is a form of "entertainment". In todays society, one does not NEED to eat meat to survive. If a cow doesn't produce enough milk or if a chicken doesn't lay enough eggs, they are "punished" by being slaughtered as well.
I just think that its strange to have different standards for different animals which are somewhat similar. For the record, I am vegetarian due to religious reasons, but I don't think killing animals to eat is THAT wrong or anything. I also don't see why Vick is being labeled as such a cruel person for killing dogs. A person who works on a farm probably gets used to killing animals after a while. Same with Vick. He grew up in a neighborhood where dog fighting was common and he saw nothing wrong with it after a while.
ing serious?Yes, farmers raising pigs and cows for food and killing them in a "humane" fashion is the same exact thing as
Whats considered humane though? Not all farms operate at the same standards. Living conditions on some of these farms are horrible as well. I am sure that if dogs were bred and raised in the same conditions as some of these other animals, people would cry foul. Also, it could be considered that eating meat is a form of "entertainment". In todays society, one does not NEED to eat meat to survive. If a cow doesn't produce enough milk or if a chicken doesn't lay enough eggs, they are "punished" by being slaughtered as well.
I just think that its strange to have different standards for different animals which are somewhat similar. For the record, I am vegetarian due to religious reasons, but I don't think killing animals to eat is THAT wrong or anything. I also don't see why Vick is being labeled as such a cruel person for killing dogs. A person who works on a farm probably gets used to killing animals after a while. Same with Vick. He grew up in a neighborhood where dog fighting was common and he saw nothing wrong with it after a while.
[quote name='ananag112']Whats considered humane though? [/QUOTE]
Humane is fairly quickly with little pain involved.
[quote name='ananag112']Not all farms operate at the same standards. Living conditions on some of these farms are horrible as well. I am sure that if dogs were bred and raised in the same conditions as some of these other animals, people would cry foul. Also, it could be considered that eating meat is a form of "entertainment". In todays society, one does not NEED to eat meat to survive. If a cow doesn't produce enough milk or if a chicken doesn't lay enough eggs, they are "punished" by being slaughtered as well.
I just think that its strange to have different standards for different animals which are somewhat similar. For the record, I am vegetarian due to religious reasons, but I don't think killing animals to eat is wrong or anything. I also don't see why Vick is being labeled as such a cruel person for killing dogs. A person who works on a farm probably gets used to killing animals after a while. Same with Vick. He grew up in a neighborhood where dog fighting was common and he saw nothing wrong with it after a while.[/QUOTE]
You have to be a troll, nobody can be this stupid in real life.
Humane is fairly quickly with little pain involved.
[quote name='ananag112']Not all farms operate at the same standards. Living conditions on some of these farms are horrible as well. I am sure that if dogs were bred and raised in the same conditions as some of these other animals, people would cry foul. Also, it could be considered that eating meat is a form of "entertainment". In todays society, one does not NEED to eat meat to survive. If a cow doesn't produce enough milk or if a chicken doesn't lay enough eggs, they are "punished" by being slaughtered as well.
I just think that its strange to have different standards for different animals which are somewhat similar. For the record, I am vegetarian due to religious reasons, but I don't think killing animals to eat is wrong or anything. I also don't see why Vick is being labeled as such a cruel person for killing dogs. A person who works on a farm probably gets used to killing animals after a while. Same with Vick. He grew up in a neighborhood where dog fighting was common and he saw nothing wrong with it after a while.[/QUOTE]
You have to be a troll, nobody can be this stupid in real life.
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You have to be a troll, nobody can be this stupid in real life.[/QUOTE]
Whatever you say.
I just don't see whats "humane" about killing animals in such a fashion. These animals are not in pain or anything. And again, not all farms operate the same way and not all do the killing in such a quick way. Just my opinion. No need to attack me if you do not agree.
You have to be a troll, nobody can be this stupid in real life.[/QUOTE]
Whatever you say.
I just don't see whats "humane" about killing animals in such a fashion. These animals are not in pain or anything. And again, not all farms operate the same way and not all do the killing in such a quick way. Just my opinion. No need to attack me if you do not agree.
[quote name='ananag112']These animals are not in pain or anything.[/QUOTE]
Yes, dogs being underfed/abused, pumped full of drugs and forced to fight to the death are not in any pain or anything.
I'm sure there is no pain in after losing a fight and being fatally wounded being strung up by some jackass or having somebody try to electrocute them to death with a car battery/puddle of water or being strangled.
[quote name='ananag112']And again, not all farms operate the same way and not all do the killing in such a quick way. [/QUOTE]
I don't know of a farm/slaughterhouse/dog pound that doesn't try to kill the animal as quick as possible. The worst I can think of is Arab butchers that cut the animals' throat and let them bleed out but even that is better than the fate of a dogfighter dog.
You really don't see the difference of an animal being killed with one very skillful motion for food purposes and an animal basically being tortured for some stupid asshole's entertainment?
[quote name='ananag112']Just my opinion. No need to attack me if you do not agree.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I should be attacking your parents for raising a child with such a shitty moral compass/set of values.
Yes, dogs being underfed/abused, pumped full of drugs and forced to fight to the death are not in any pain or anything.
I'm sure there is no pain in after losing a fight and being fatally wounded being strung up by some jackass or having somebody try to electrocute them to death with a car battery/puddle of water or being strangled.
[quote name='ananag112']And again, not all farms operate the same way and not all do the killing in such a quick way. [/QUOTE]
I don't know of a farm/slaughterhouse/dog pound that doesn't try to kill the animal as quick as possible. The worst I can think of is Arab butchers that cut the animals' throat and let them bleed out but even that is better than the fate of a dogfighter dog.
You really don't see the difference of an animal being killed with one very skillful motion for food purposes and an animal basically being tortured for some stupid asshole's entertainment?
[quote name='ananag112']Just my opinion. No need to attack me if you do not agree.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I should be attacking your parents for raising a child with such a shitty moral compass/set of values.
[quote name='Sporadic']Yes, dogs being underfed/abused, pumped full of drugs and forced to fight to the death are not in any pain or anything.
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I was talking about animals which are butchered for consumption. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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You really don't see the difference of an animal being killed with one very skillful motion for food purposes and an animal basically being tortured for some stupid asshole's entertainment?
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Yes there is a difference, but I don't think either one is 100% correct. Its like a skillful assassin killing someone quick and easy vs a random thug killing with brute force. Either way, its murder.
Sorry if that doesn't make sense. I haven't had much sleep due to finals...
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I was talking about animals which are butchered for consumption. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
[quote name='Sporadic']
You really don't see the difference of an animal being killed with one very skillful motion for food purposes and an animal basically being tortured for some stupid asshole's entertainment?
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Yes there is a difference, but I don't think either one is 100% correct. Its like a skillful assassin killing someone quick and easy vs a random thug killing with brute force. Either way, its murder.
Sorry if that doesn't make sense. I haven't had much sleep due to finals...
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Wow.
Just...wow.
Just...wow.
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cant wait until vick is back in the nfl as a reggie bush type player, lining up at wr rb and maybe some qb
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[quote name='ananag112']I was talking about animals which are butchered for consumption. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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you are extremely ignorant if you think that animals killed for food do not experience pain
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you are extremely ignorant if you think that animals killed for food do not experience pain
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Eh... how big is he? While he may be involved in some prison sex, I doubt he'll be the rapee. You guys have seen Oz right, Rick Fox fared ok.
[quote name='omgu8myrice']you are extremely ignorant if you think that animals killed for food do not experience pain[/QUOTE]
I was saying that the animals killed for food are not in pain before they are killed. Its not like they are being killed to be be uthanized or something.
I was saying that the animals killed for food are not in pain before they are killed. Its not like they are being killed to be be uthanized or something.
Look, everyone knows and accepts that killing animals is not pleasant. But there are ways that will cause the animal a lot of pain and suffering, and there are ways that won't. There are humane ways to raise and slaughter livestock, and there are inhumane ways. Let's not fall prey to generalization. The other component of "humane" killing is intent. Murder, by definition, is unjustified killing. So even if you're killing a person in the most painless way possible, if you're doing it for an unjust reason, it's not humane.
I just find it amazing that people see no difference between killing an animal for food and raising and killing it for pure sport, brutalizing and abusing it throughout its life for your own personal amusement. Food is necessary. Dogfighting is not.
Saying shelter animals are most often euthanized simply because nobody wants them, sadly, is true. But it is also an oversimplification. What would you have these shelters do when they are full and there is no one to take the animals, no way to pay for their feeding and care? Many shelters bend over backwards trying to place animals in foster homes, find sponsors to care for them in the shelter, etc. and still they are not able to save every animal. And to suggest they euthanize these animals out of laziness or cruelty is naive and ignorant.
To the vegetarian: In college, after viewing deeply disturbing videos of animals being processed for food, I had a serious crisis of conscience (one I suspect many people go through) and became vegetarian for a time. I talked to a biology professor I respected very much and he showed me some information about how plants have been found to respond to a pain stimulus with the same profound distress people and animals exhibit. We just don't recognize it as such because the reaction is too slow for us to recognize and because we equate pain with blood, struggling, crying out, etc. But the instant you cut a plant or bruise it, it produces chemical and physical indicators of distress. There's even strong evidence that plants in proximity to the plant being "injured" pick up on these signals and are similarly distressed. The point being, unless you're performing photosynthesis or converting pure minerals into food, you have to consume living things, and by extension, hurt them to survive. You just have to make a choice about which things you're most comfortable hurting.
I just find it amazing that people see no difference between killing an animal for food and raising and killing it for pure sport, brutalizing and abusing it throughout its life for your own personal amusement. Food is necessary. Dogfighting is not.
Saying shelter animals are most often euthanized simply because nobody wants them, sadly, is true. But it is also an oversimplification. What would you have these shelters do when they are full and there is no one to take the animals, no way to pay for their feeding and care? Many shelters bend over backwards trying to place animals in foster homes, find sponsors to care for them in the shelter, etc. and still they are not able to save every animal. And to suggest they euthanize these animals out of laziness or cruelty is naive and ignorant.
To the vegetarian: In college, after viewing deeply disturbing videos of animals being processed for food, I had a serious crisis of conscience (one I suspect many people go through) and became vegetarian for a time. I talked to a biology professor I respected very much and he showed me some information about how plants have been found to respond to a pain stimulus with the same profound distress people and animals exhibit. We just don't recognize it as such because the reaction is too slow for us to recognize and because we equate pain with blood, struggling, crying out, etc. But the instant you cut a plant or bruise it, it produces chemical and physical indicators of distress. There's even strong evidence that plants in proximity to the plant being "injured" pick up on these signals and are similarly distressed. The point being, unless you're performing photosynthesis or converting pure minerals into food, you have to consume living things, and by extension, hurt them to survive. You just have to make a choice about which things you're most comfortable hurting.
I'm not going to get in on the Vick situation, but this quote caught my eye...
"I would love it if people would suddenly become responsible and spay and neuter their pets and we could go to all no-kill shelters."
Is it just me, or is it horribly wrong to tell people that they should have their pets genitals mutilated for the sole purpose of attempting to change the animal's normal behavioral instincts?
When you have a male dog neutered, they cut off its balls. The dog's balls, man. That's just not right.
"I would love it if people would suddenly become responsible and spay and neuter their pets and we could go to all no-kill shelters."
Is it just me, or is it horribly wrong to tell people that they should have their pets genitals mutilated for the sole purpose of attempting to change the animal's normal behavioral instincts?
When you have a male dog neutered, they cut off its balls. The dog's balls, man. That's just not right.
[quote name='UncleBob']I'm not going to get in on the Vick situation, but this quote caught my eye...
"I would love it if people would suddenly become responsible and spay and neuter their pets and we could go to all no-kill shelters."
Is it just me, or is it horribly wrong to tell people that they should have their pets genitals mutilated for the sole purpose of attempting to change the animal's normal behavioral instincts?
When you have a male dog neutered, they cut off its balls. The dog's balls, man. That's just not right.[/quote]
I can understand that position, but you just need to make sure that if you don't plan to neuter your dog, you are prepared to take responsibility for the results. That means accomodating the more aggressive behavior of said dog and providing for the care of any potential offspring.
Cutting off balls seems like a terrible thing until you go to a shelter day after day and see the results of leaving them hanging.
"I would love it if people would suddenly become responsible and spay and neuter their pets and we could go to all no-kill shelters."
Is it just me, or is it horribly wrong to tell people that they should have their pets genitals mutilated for the sole purpose of attempting to change the animal's normal behavioral instincts?
When you have a male dog neutered, they cut off its balls. The dog's balls, man. That's just not right.[/quote]
I can understand that position, but you just need to make sure that if you don't plan to neuter your dog, you are prepared to take responsibility for the results. That means accomodating the more aggressive behavior of said dog and providing for the care of any potential offspring.
Cutting off balls seems like a terrible thing until you go to a shelter day after day and see the results of leaving them hanging.
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[quote name='UncleBob']I'm not going to get in on the Vick situation, but this quote caught my eye...
"I would love it if people would suddenly become responsible and spay and neuter their pets and we could go to all no-kill shelters."
Is it just me, or is it horribly wrong to tell people that they should have their pets genitals mutilated for the sole purpose of attempting to change the animal's normal behavioral instincts?
When you have a male dog neutered, they cut off its balls. The dog's balls, man. That's just not right.[/quote]
It's not wrong, I think stupid people should be neutered as well.
"I would love it if people would suddenly become responsible and spay and neuter their pets and we could go to all no-kill shelters."
Is it just me, or is it horribly wrong to tell people that they should have their pets genitals mutilated for the sole purpose of attempting to change the animal's normal behavioral instincts?
When you have a male dog neutered, they cut off its balls. The dog's balls, man. That's just not right.[/quote]
It's not wrong, I think stupid people should be neutered as well.
'meh. Like I said, it just seems horribly wrong to me to mutilate the genitals of any creature just because you want to modify the animal's behavioral instincts.
Why do we round up dogs and cats and put them into shelters in the first place? We don't round up birds, rats, squirrels, etc., etc.. Dogs and Cats can survive quite well in the wild. Just ask Australia
Sure, stray dogs and cats may fall prey to other animals, cold/hot weather, lack of food source, etc., etc... But these are all conditions that effect "natural" animals in the wild as well? What is it about dogs and cats that makes us humans feel the need to "protect" them (even when "protecting" them means killing them)?
Is there a single (healthy) person out there who would rather be killed straight out than be given a chance to live, even if it means you're going to have a hard time at it?
Why do we round up dogs and cats and put them into shelters in the first place? We don't round up birds, rats, squirrels, etc., etc.. Dogs and Cats can survive quite well in the wild. Just ask Australia
Sure, stray dogs and cats may fall prey to other animals, cold/hot weather, lack of food source, etc., etc... But these are all conditions that effect "natural" animals in the wild as well? What is it about dogs and cats that makes us humans feel the need to "protect" them (even when "protecting" them means killing them)?
Is there a single (healthy) person out there who would rather be killed straight out than be given a chance to live, even if it means you're going to have a hard time at it?
[quote name='UncleBob']'meh. Like I said, it just seems horribly wrong to me to mutilate the genitals of any creature just because you want to modify the animal's behavioral instincts.
Why do we round up dogs and cats and put them into shelters in the first place? We don't round up birds, rats, squirrels, etc., etc.. Dogs and Cats can survive quite well in the wild. Just ask Australia
Sure, stray dogs and cats may fall prey to other animals, cold/hot weather, lack of food source, etc., etc... But these are all conditions that effect "natural" animals in the wild as well? What is it about dogs and cats that makes us humans feel the need to "protect" them (even when "protecting" them means killing them)?[/quote]
Because dogs and cats exist solely because we created them. Hence, we have some responsibility for how they interact with native species. Before humans domesticated them, there were only wolves and various breeds of predatory cats. Thousands of generations of deliberate breeding and domestication produced what we now recognize as dogs and cats. This is not true of the wild birds, rats, squirrels, etc. that exist around us (although you could argue that they too have been dramatically affected by their proximity to us over the generations).
And yes, Australia's wild dogs and cats get along just fine.....to the detriment of pretty much every other animal in the ecosystem. They're a huge problem, one Australia would dearly love to get a handle on. So not such a good example, really.
Benjamouth: Fun fact - until recently, serial sex offenders WERE castrated, both as punishment and to dramatically limit their sex drive and/or aggressive tendencies. It's actually been in the news recently, because, as Governor, presidential candidate Mike Huckabee pardoned a serial rapist who had been castrated. Unfortunately, he then went on to rape and murder more women. More recently, they've started using hormones to suppress the sex drives of sex offenders.
More info here: http://www.slate.com/id/2179388/
Why do we round up dogs and cats and put them into shelters in the first place? We don't round up birds, rats, squirrels, etc., etc.. Dogs and Cats can survive quite well in the wild. Just ask Australia
Sure, stray dogs and cats may fall prey to other animals, cold/hot weather, lack of food source, etc., etc... But these are all conditions that effect "natural" animals in the wild as well? What is it about dogs and cats that makes us humans feel the need to "protect" them (even when "protecting" them means killing them)?[/quote]
Because dogs and cats exist solely because we created them. Hence, we have some responsibility for how they interact with native species. Before humans domesticated them, there were only wolves and various breeds of predatory cats. Thousands of generations of deliberate breeding and domestication produced what we now recognize as dogs and cats. This is not true of the wild birds, rats, squirrels, etc. that exist around us (although you could argue that they too have been dramatically affected by their proximity to us over the generations).
And yes, Australia's wild dogs and cats get along just fine.....to the detriment of pretty much every other animal in the ecosystem. They're a huge problem, one Australia would dearly love to get a handle on. So not such a good example, really.
Benjamouth: Fun fact - until recently, serial sex offenders WERE castrated, both as punishment and to dramatically limit their sex drive and/or aggressive tendencies. It's actually been in the news recently, because, as Governor, presidential candidate Mike Huckabee pardoned a serial rapist who had been castrated. Unfortunately, he then went on to rape and murder more women. More recently, they've started using hormones to suppress the sex drives of sex offenders.
More info here: http://www.slate.com/id/2179388/
[quote name='UncleBob']Very "Sins of the Father" type argument. I suppose since White Europeans "created" "Black Americans", we have some responsibility for how they interact now?
I just don't buy the "Cage or Kill" belief that many others seem to have.[/quote]
Uh, you can try and take it there if you want, but leave me out of it.
Hyperbole aside, we're actually not as much in disagreement as you might think. I think we probably could stand to let more animals run free without terrible consequences. And I know in my heart there's a better way than euthanizing. But believe me, if all stray animals were sent into the streets tomorrow, you wouldn't be happy...nor would they. It's not even their fate in regards to the elements or other animals that bothers me. It's what they'd face at the hands of people like Michael Vick, who see stray animals as a source of entertainment.
I just don't buy the "Cage or Kill" belief that many others seem to have.[/quote]
Uh, you can try and take it there if you want, but leave me out of it.
Hyperbole aside, we're actually not as much in disagreement as you might think. I think we probably could stand to let more animals run free without terrible consequences. And I know in my heart there's a better way than euthanizing. But believe me, if all stray animals were sent into the streets tomorrow, you wouldn't be happy...nor would they. It's not even their fate in regards to the elements or other animals that bothers me. It's what they'd face at the hands of people like Michael Vick, who see stray animals as a source of entertainment.
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[quote name='Tybee']The point being, unless you're performing photosynthesis or converting pure minerals into food, you have to consume living things, and by extension, hurt them to survive. You just have to make a choice about which things you're most comfortable hurting.[/quote]
Not true, you could come live as a fructarian with the Eloi.
'Course you have to watch out for those nasty Morlocks.
Not true, you could come live as a fructarian with the Eloi.
'Course you have to watch out for those nasty Morlocks.
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I lost it when I read the title hahahhahahahahahah
monkeydeew
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at least vick's lawyers didnt blame video games
funny though peopel can fight in rings and thats ok nobody protests that but you let animals fight and thats a problem. all in all i dont agree with dogfighting but cmon youve got murderers and rapists and drunk drivers and drug dealers getting off with way less time and in some cases no time even after repeated offensess . hes just being used as a warning to others and as an example of what happens when you cross the line and youre not the right type.
chances are he wont be put in a real jail with gen pop or with serious offenders but this is all bullshit just like the barry bonds shit. shows you you can trust anyone especially with how his "friends" flipped on him like ain flapjack.
chances are he wont be put in a real jail with gen pop or with serious offenders but this is all bullshit just like the barry bonds shit. shows you you can trust anyone especially with how his "friends" flipped on him like a
in flapjack.
[quote name='lokizz']funny though peopel can fight in rings and thats ok nobody protests that but you let animals fight and thats a problem.[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked, people aren't fighting to the death, people aren't forced into it and if the fighter loses they aren't struck up/electrocuted/strangled to death for not having "fighting spirit"
[quote name='lokizz']all in all i dont agree with dogfighting but cmon youve got murderers and rapists and drunk drivers and drug dealers getting off with way less time and in some cases no time even after repeated offensess .[/QUOTE]
Doesn't that mean that punishments for those offences should be increased instead of Vick getting off easy?
Vick is broke and going away for 2 years. In two years (if Virginia doesn't go after him) some stupid team is sure to sign him back and while he won't be super rich, he'll still be able to live conformablely for the rest of his life. That seems reasonable to me.
I'm glad they threw the book at him based at some of the reactions in this thread. And hopefully Virginia will hit him with their own charges as soon as he gets out.
Last time I checked, people aren't fighting to the death, people aren't forced into it and if the fighter loses they aren't struck up/electrocuted/strangled to death for not having "fighting spirit"
[quote name='lokizz']all in all i dont agree with dogfighting but cmon youve got murderers and rapists and drunk drivers and drug dealers getting off with way less time and in some cases no time even after repeated offensess .[/QUOTE]
Doesn't that mean that punishments for those offences should be increased instead of Vick getting off easy?
Vick is broke and going away for 2 years. In two years (if Virginia doesn't go after him) some stupid team is sure to sign him back and while he won't be super rich, he'll still be able to live conformablely for the rest of his life. That seems reasonable to me.
I'm glad they threw the book at him based at some of the reactions in this thread. And hopefully Virginia will hit him with their own charges as soon as he gets out.
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[quote name='lokizz']funny though peopel can fight in rings and thats ok nobody protests that but you let animals fight and thats a problem. [/QUOTE]
CocheseUGA
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[quote name='ph33r m3']I like how people think Vick's going to get pounded in the ass, dude is a top-tier NFL player and can bench a house.[/QUOTE]
No, and no.
He is a top-tier NFL RUNNER, and could at one point bench 335.
No, and no.
He is a top-tier NFL RUNNER, and could at one point bench 335.
CocheseUGA
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[quote name='ph33r m3']You honestly think the security guards/jail staff will let anything happen to Vick? Hell no they won't.[/QUOTE]
Depends on if any are dog lovers. Shit happens.
I guess he could run, though. :lol:
Depends on if any are dog lovers. Shit happens.
I guess he could run, though. :lol:
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[quote name='ph33r m3']I like how people think Vick's going to get pounded in the ass, dude is a top-tier NFL player and can bench a house.[/QUOTE]
Ever seen the folks on the inside of a prison?
I don't think Vick will encounter many enemies in prison walls on account of animal abuse. Sure, he will encounter some - but I can almost assure you that it won't escalate to violence the way it might if the conviction was for a sex crime with a minor/child.
He'll be the cool guy in prison whereever he goes.
Ever seen the folks on the inside of a prison?
I don't think Vick will encounter many enemies in prison walls on account of animal abuse. Sure, he will encounter some - but I can almost assure you that it won't escalate to violence the way it might if the conviction was for a sex crime with a minor/child.
He'll be the cool guy in prison whereever he goes.
mykevermin
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[quote name='PyroGamer']I'm fairly happy with how this turned out.
Then again I'll probably see Vick again in a couple years, making millions and working his way back up.
I'll be pretty pissed when that happens.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that wouldin' SUCK if someone gets a chance at redemption that happens around the time their prison sentence ends! Make 'em suffer for the rest of their life, right? RIGHT!
Then again I'll probably see Vick again in a couple years, making millions and working his way back up.
I'll be pretty pissed when that happens.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that would
in' SUCK if someone gets a chance at redemption that happens around the time their prison sentence ends! Make 'em suffer for the rest of their life, right? RIGHT![quote name='bigdaddy']I think he should have gotten several months more, at least 2.5 years.[/quote]
Actually, the prosecution was only asking for something like 12-15 months and the judge threw the book at him and gave him 23. I think the max sentence possible was 2 years.
It's quite likely he'll get more in the Va. suit anyway.
Actually, the prosecution was only asking for something like 12-15 months and the judge threw the book at him and gave him 23. I think the max sentence possible was 2 years.
It's quite likely he'll get more in the Va. suit anyway.
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[quote name='Tybee']Actually, the prosecution was only asking for something like 12-15 months and the judge threw the book at him and gave him 23. I think the max sentence possible was 2 years.[/QUOTE]
Yep. The judge is well known for going beyond maximum recommended sentences. Vick didn't get off "light" from that guy.
Yep. The judge is well known for going beyond maximum recommended sentences. Vick didn't get off "light" from that guy.
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