Wii Shop Channel Thread - 12/29 StarTropics II, Maboshi's Arcade, Cue Sports: Pool

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[quote name='lilboo']Fine. Ya'll gonna feel weird when I pull YOUR DAD jokes.
:nottalking:[/QUOTE]

Oh mans.

Bitches just got srrrved, ya'll.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I've managed to stuff my Wii full. It has zero blocks open thanks to My Pokemon Ranch.[/QUOTE]

Open up the Nintendo Channel. It reads that stuff. LET THEM KNOW YOU HAVE 0 BLOCKS!!
 
[quote name='EXStrike']lilboo can't pull off "your mom" jokes CONFIRMED.[/quote]
It works when you keep in mind that the mom in question has a penis. $10 is a pretty good deal. CONFIRMED.
 
So I decided to get Toki Tori today, and Lost Winds was the game that got the boot off my Wii (didn't care for Lost Winds). Anyway Toki Tori is pretty good, and awesome music. After I downloaded it, the first thing I did was turn on the Everybody's Nintendo Channel and told them I have 5 blocks left.

I swear we should make a petition to get lilboo a job in the Nintendo's marketing department. Could you imagine how many people would be buying good games. :lol:
 
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10865&Itemid=2
When a question about the limited Wii system memory was raised, Nintendo's Laurent Fischer slipped into talking about how “geeks and otaku” were the only people who would want this issue addressed
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WHAT THE fuck! As STUPID as IGNORING this is, I would have never thought they could get stupider than ignoring it/saying it only affects a small portion of Wii owners, but this is Nintendo, so they take it to the next level-insulting your fanbase! Or what's left of the fanbase after link cables. And E-Reader. And the GBA-GCN cable. And the broadband adapter. And countless other things.
 
As excited as I was for the Wii when it came out, Nintendo is doing one hell of a job pushing me away from them. Pretty amazing when you consider then in 1/10th the amount of time I've spent with it, they've more or less told me to piss off for all the effort I've done building them up (i.e., 20 years being a fan versus 2 years of the Wii).

Nothing really gets under my skin more (from this industry) than when I'm told - as a paying customer - that seemingly any and all suggestions/complaints I have are negligible, if not outright disparaging. When you start telling me that anything I have said or could say falls of not only deaf ears, but angry, volatile ones, I start to call into question your credibility, as well as any reason why I should bolster and support it with my cash.

I mean, the VC issue is irksome enough, as are storage bottlenecks, DRM problems, a complete and utter lack of acknowledgment of your core base that kept you alive the last ten years when you were as close to industrial life support as possible (following in Sega's footsteps), and the feeling settling in that everything you've promised (or even hinted at in promises) is fast becoming nothing but fantasy.

But then to sit back and throw a few insults along the way?

Shameful.

I mean, they've got me for the time being. But unless some things change either immediately for this system, or unless they prove to me that their next system is building on mistakes made with this one (its runaway success notwithstanding), I'm seriously getting tired of it.

Don't tell me I'm a jerk for wanting simple problems fixed because you're upset the big scary hackers could dismantle it.

OH WAIT. THEY ALREADY HAVE. And guess what - they are making a better case for themselves than you ever could at this point, Nintendo.

At least the 'net affords us the ability to pick out doublespeak when it's being flaunted in our faces (cough cough, Lucasarts' "our old point-and-click games could never fit on DS carts" cough cough).
 
I'm so sick of this bullshit and conveniently also just got an XBOX 1. Speaking of convenience, a foreign concept to Nintendo, the XBOX let me demo Toki Tori. It let me have ~8GB storage with the possibility of upgrades down the line if you have the know-how. And the BESTESTESTESTESTESTICLESESTESTESTESTEST thing? IT LETS ME PLAY EARTHBOUND! You know Nintendo. The game you said would be coming to VC? The one 30,000 fans signed a petetion for to have a sequel translated? The one I've said countless times I'd buy, prehaps even TWICE, to support the cause?

And the XBOX didn't call its diehard fanbase geeks.
 
[quote name='Strell']As excited as I was for the Wii when it came out, Nintendo is doing one hell of a job pushing me away from them. Pretty amazing when you consider then in 1/10th the amount of time I've spent with it, they've more or less told me to piss off for all the effort I've done building them up (i.e., 20 years being a fan versus 2 years of the Wii).

Nothing really gets under my skin more (from this industry) than when I'm told - as a paying customer - that seemingly any and all suggestions/complaints I have are negligible, if not outright disparaging. When you start telling me that anything I have said or could say falls of not only deaf ears, but angry, volatile ones, I start to call into question your credibility, as well as any reason why I should bolster and support it with my cash.

I mean, the VC issue is irksome enough, as are storage bottlenecks, DRM problems, a complete and utter lack of acknowledgment of your core base that kept you alive the last ten years when you were as close to industrial life support as possible (following in Sega's footsteps), and the feeling settling in that everything you've promised (or even hinted at in promises) is fast becoming nothing but fantasy.

But then to sit back and throw a few insults along the way?

Shameful.

I mean, they've got me for the time being. But unless some things change either immediately for this system, or unless they prove to me that their next system is building on mistakes made with this one (its runaway success notwithstanding), I'm seriously getting tired of it.

Don't tell me I'm a jerk for wanting simple problems fixed because you're upset the big scary hackers could dismantle it.

OH WAIT. THEY ALREADY HAVE. And guess what - they are making a better case for themselves than you ever could at this point, Nintendo.

At least the 'net affords us the ability to pick out doublespeak when it's being flaunted in our faces (cough cough, Lucasarts' "our old point-and-click games could never fit on DS carts" cough cough).[/quote]

I feel the same way here. Everything you said here is how I feel almost exactly. Hell I hate to say this but if someone close to me (by close I mean someone I knew) were to offer me $350 for my Wii and a few of my games I would probably sell it to them (and buy a PS3). I mean seriously I don't want to hate the console, I mean when it came out, I loved the Wii to death, but due to Nintendo being fucking clueless and not caring about it's core gamers, I can't stand it anymore. I would rebuy it if the problems were fixed (if I did sell it), don't get me wrong, but I am getting tired of this shit. I have been a loyal Nintendo customer since 1991-2 (when my parents bought me my NES), and well it is getting to the point where I can't stand it (and I am usually the one who buys Nintendo stuff like the e-Reader because it sounds cool).

Actually come to think about it, Nintendo did offend me about the memory comment. Sure I AM a geek and a otaku, but still saying that I am one just because my Wii is full is not how I expect to be known as a geek. I am a proud geek and otaku and Nintendo makes it sounds like we are losers that they don't give a shit about. Another thing, if geeks and otaku filled up their wii's where the fuck is the games the geeks and otaku want (because they are obviously buying a lot of stuff to fill up their Wii), I am taking games like Earthbound, Mario Rpg, Pilotwings, etc...l
 
[quote name='Doomed']I'm so sick of this bullshit and conveniently also just got an XBOX 1. Speaking of convenience, a foreign concept to Nintendo, the XBOX let me demo Toki Tori. It let me have ~8GB storage with the possibility of upgrades down the line if you have the know-how. And the BESTESTESTESTESTESTICLESESTESTESTESTEST thing? IT LETS ME PLAY EARTHBOUND! You know Nintendo. The game you said would be coming to VC? The one 30,000 fans signed a petetion for to have a sequel translated? The one I've said countless times I'd buy, prehaps even TWICE, to support the cause?

And the XBOX didn't call its diehard fanbase geeks.[/quote]I don't even know what you're saying there... that a modded Xbox lets you do the same things a modded Wii will do?

Also, :lol: at bold.
 
[quote name='botticus']I don't even know what you're saying there... that a modded Xbox lets you do the same things a modded Wii will do?

Also, :lol: at bold.[/quote]
My point is that a modded XBOX is everything I could hope for with Wii. Demos, large library of games people actually want... I know Nintendo wants to spread stuff out but when you devote programming time for Brawl to taking the EarthBound demo OUT of the USA version of Brawl, it's obvious where their priorities are. A modded XBOX doesn't call me a geek and lets me play EarthBound, something Nintendo is keen on making impossible. XBOX is last gen and had some kind of DLC.
 
[quote name='Doomed']My point is that a modded XBOX is everything I could hope for with Wii. Demos, large library of games people actually want... I know Nintendo wants to spread stuff out but when you devote programming time for Brawl to taking the EarthBound demo OUT of the USA version of Brawl, it's obvious where their priorities are. A modded XBOX doesn't call me a geek and lets me play EarthBound, something Nintendo is keen on making impossible. XBOX is last gen and had some kind of DLC.[/quote]

The fact that it's modded makes your argument lose any credibility. You could play Earthbound just as well with a modded Wii or a computer.

I also can't believe the outrage over "Nintendo" calling people "geeks." It wasn't like there was a meeting where everyone at Nintendo got together and decided to answer that particular question. It was some lowly, mostly unheard of person in Nintendo of Europe who is probably going to be fired over this.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']
I also can't believe the outrage over "Nintendo" calling people "geeks." It wasn't like there was a meeting where everyone at Nintendo got together and decided to answer that particular question. It was some lowly, mostly unheard of person in Nintendo of Europe who is probably going to be fired over this.[/QUOTE]

That may be.

But it doesn't help that those same geeks and otakus already played their parts in making so many things into the great successes Nintendo has enjoyed recently and in the past.

I bought Super Mario 3, making it one of the biggest selling games ever. Then I bought it on the GBA and again on the VC.

I had an SNES within the first month of it being released (granted, it was a birthday gift from my parents, but still).

I supported the N64 and even for a short period of time went along with the "carts > CDs" argument.

I've bought all the Metroid, Zelda, and Mario titles.

I own multiple GBAs in all their various iterations - original, SP, micro.

I camped out for a Wii - twice - in the freezing cold.

And yet when I want a damn solution to a problem, I get ridiculed for it?

You know, Nintendo, I wouldn't put a lot of faith into those casual gamers. There's nothing to suggest that they will migrate to the Wii 2, and even less to consider if Sony and Microsoft start their own motion-capable controllers (which are heavily rumored right now). These people might be buying certain titles in droves, but their staying power and commitment is questionable, primarily because there's no history or precedent to adequately predict what their behavior will be.

And that's why you need to respect the core audience a bit more - we're the ones who've gotten you through the thick and thin, and it's horrendous that any of your employees would even think to backhand any of us. We'll do marketing on our own via word-of-mouth, we'll buy the good third party games, and we'll still probably show back up for another round if you promise is your franchise titles. But damn - this shit is just shaky.

I know how stringent their PR work is , which is doubly surprising to hear someone completely disregard it.
 
[quote name='Strell']I know how stringent their PR work is , which is doubly surprising to hear someone completely disregard it.[/QUOTE]

Hasn't the Europe branch of the company typically had the worst PR? I wouldn't hold it against NoA, because I know that our branch of the company is Einstein compared to Europe's slobbering Great Dane style of management.
 
[quote name='Strell']
I've bought all the Metroid, Zelda, and Mario titles.

I own multiple GBAs in all their various iterations - original, SP, micro.

I camped out for a Wii - twice - in the freezing cold.

And yet when I want a damn solution to a problem, I get ridiculed for it?

You know, Nintendo, I wouldn't put a lot of faith into those casual gamers. There's nothing to suggest that they will migrate to the Wii 2, and even less to consider if Sony and Microsoft start their own motion-capable controllers (which are heavily rumored right now). These people might be buying certain titles in droves, but their staying power and commitment is questionable, primarily because there's no history or precedent to adequately predict what their behavior will be.

And that's why you need to respect the core audience a bit more - we're the ones who've gotten you through the thick and thin, and it's horrendous that any of your employees would even think to backhand any of us. We'll do marketing on our own via word-of-mouth, we'll buy the good third party games, and we'll still probably show back up for another round if you promise is your franchise titles. But damn - this shit is just shaky.
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I edited you for space to try to get to the point, but those of us who fall into your description are so obviously in the minority and fit the modern definition of "geek" so closely that I have no idea how you can argue it.

The "core audience" isn't us. On other consoles that would be a questionable statement at best (you might be able to argue that sports games alone could keep the gaming industry afloat), but on the Wii it is blatantly incorrect. There is a new core, and I'm not going to speculate whether or not that core will migrate to the Wii 2. The fact is that the new core exists and we're not part of it, and we're not going to influence decisions like we may have in the past. You have to stop looking at the Wii like a gaming maching, because Nintendo has. It is an "entertainment" machine (something they've pushed since the beginning) and it has a target user base and primary demographic.

I don't fault Nintendo for not showing any particular allegiance to a user base for previous products if it's not currently contributing a substantial amount to their revenue and are not part of their future plans. I don't think that's what happened here as I don't think this was meant to be the "official" stance, but I don't know that it's all that far off. I still wouldn't take it personally.
 
[quote name='mephitical']I edited you for space to try to get to the point, but those of us who fall into your description are so obviously in the minority and fit the modern definition of "geek" so closely that I have no idea how you can argue it.[/quote]

Not arguing it. I'm arguing against pejorative usages. The nomenclature/label I have no problem with. But you don't tell the clerk at McDonald's he gets to call you a fatass because you super sized your fries. Though I guess that's not wholly far since "fatass" probably can't ever be said in a complimentary light, where as geek can depending on who you talk to. But it doesn't change the intent.

It is an "entertainment" machine (something they've pushed since the beginning) and it has a target user base and primary demographic.
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Ok, but Sony has done the same thing. They don't call it a console either, but a "multimedia entertainment computer system," or something similar.

I don't fault Nintendo for not showing any particular allegiance to a user base for previous products if it's not currently contributing a substantial amount to their revenue and are not part of their future plans.
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Except that we are and have been for years. I'm chuggin' down first party games, Wiiware, and VC titles almost as fast as I can go.

I don't think that's what happened here as I don't think this was meant to be the "official" stance, but I don't know that it's all that far off. I still wouldn't take it personally.
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I simply don't dig biting the hand that feeds. Especially when my hand is riddled with cold hard cash that - cumutivaly - encompass thousands and thousands of dollars over the years.

It doesn't help that this comment comes from what is already a hugely sore issue.

As far as the whole dissolving of the core audience into this new one - fine. I can basically agree with that, since I'd be crazy not to. However, from Nintendo themselves, they are still putting out core titles pretty quickly. Within the first 1.5 years we've gotten almost all the major franchises - some in multiples (two substantial Mario titles, for example).

Seems to me that Nintendo came out and dropped Wii Sports, and then idiots like Ubisoft decided no one needed any game unless it had a Z tacked onto the end. Hence why the library at large is so laughable.

But from Nintendo internally, they have done a good job balancing out Wii Fit versus Brawl/Kart/Galaxy/Corruption/Fire Emblem.

But we're venturing off into another argument entirely - one that, by all accounts, should have asploded my brains into tiny brain bits by now.

Edit: I'll be fair though. Kaplan called me a freak last year. Yamauchi called me a lonely loser all those years ago. So it's not like Nintendo is any stranger to this sort of thing.
 
[quote name='Strell']I simply don't dig biting the hand that feeds. Especially when my hand is riddled with cold hard cash that - cumutivaly - encompass thousands and thousands of dollars over the years.

It doesn't help that this comment comes from what is already a hugely sore issue.
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I just don't think we're doing the feeding any more, and since the issue is only sore with our little minority our cash doesn't amount to much (I don't have any numbers to back this up, so if someone can prove me wrong I will gladly jump ship on this). This is pretty much the same discussion we keep coming back to, and if there's not unity over storage within a group of devoted "gamers" that makes it carry even less weight. I work in an industry with similar marketing and demographic techniques and I can tell you that the Strells and mephiticals of the world who spend thousands of dollars on product are incidental and not courted. What is important is a large installation base and baseline consistency or predictability among that base.
 
This week Europe got Alex Kidd in Miracle World - Sega Master System/500 Points, Fatal Fury 2 - Neo Geo/900 Points, Ninga Combat - Neo Geo/900 Points, Last Ninga 2: Back with a Vengeance - Commodore 64/500 Points, and Nebulus - Comodore 64/500 Points.
 
[quote name='MisterModest']This week Europe got Alex Kidd in Miracle World - Sega Master System/500 Points, Fatal Fury 2 - Neo Geo/900 Points, Ninga Combat - Neo Geo/900 Points, Last Ninga 2: Back with a Vengeance - Commodore 64/500 Points, and Nebulus - Comodore 64/500 Points.[/quote]

They got 5?
 
[quote name='mephitical']You have to stop looking at the Wii like a gaming maching, because Nintendo has. It is an "entertainment" machine (something they've pushed since the beginning) and it has a target user base and primary demographic.[/Quote]

Actually If I'm not mistaken , one of nintendo's stances this generation was supposed to be that the Wii is the only "true" gaming console this generation since all it does is play games , not movies or anything else. Although perhaps gaming machine to nintendo might be closer to entertainment machine by our standards.

[quote name='Strell']Not arguing it. I'm arguing against pejorative usages. The nomenclature/label I have no problem with. But you don't tell the clerk at McDonald's he gets to call you a fatass because you super sized your fries. Though I guess that's not wholly far since "fatass" probably can't ever be said in a complimentary light, where as geek can depending on who you talk to. But it doesn't change the intent.[/Quote]

I would agree with this. Being a "geek" in and of itself might not be a bad thing depending on who you talk to , but the way it was being used there was most certenly made with negative intent , like "if those damn geeks and otakus stopped downloading so many damn games , maybe they wouldn't have a space issue".:dunce:

Edit: I'll be fair though. Kaplan called me a freak last year. Yamauchi called me a lonely loser all those years ago. So it's not like Nintendo is any stranger to this sort of thing.
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I was acutally gonna bring this up , but this certenly isn't the first time nintendo has "insulted" its hardcore fan base , but I've always kinda felt that the reason they do it isn't so much to ridicule us , but that they don't understand why we are so devoted to there games. Why we continue to gobble up everything nintendo throws our way , or even why we support ideas/products that nintendo themselves seem to not belive in.

Like the thing with the miis. The miis were just simple nintendo desgined avatars for gamers to use. Fans loved them and want more customization for them but nintendo thinks there fine being simple. They don't get that we really like them and want more out of them.

I kinda compare to say , William Shatnam and the trek fans. Trek fans love him but he thinks they need to move on and get a life.
 
[quote name='mephitical']I just don't think we're doing the feeding any more, and since the issue is only sore with our little minority our cash doesn't amount to much (I don't have any numbers to back this up, so if someone can prove me wrong I will gladly jump ship on this). This is pretty much the same discussion we keep coming back to, and if there's not unity over storage within a group of devoted "gamers" that makes it carry even less weight. I work in an industry with similar marketing and demographic techniques and I can tell you that the Strells and mephiticals of the world who spend thousands of dollars on product are incidental and not courted. What is important is a large installation base and baseline consistency or predictability among that base.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to agree with you. Sure, we might be downloading VC games, but when the number of people buying a $12 copy of Sin and Punishment pales in comparison to the number who spend $90 on Wii Fit, it's pretty clear that the demographic has shifted.

Even with the more frequent purchases, Nintendo's making most of their money from the people who bought it for casual gaming instead of from people like us. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean things will work a bit differently for the next few years.

[quote name='StarKnightX']Actually If I'm not mistaken , one of nintendo's stances this generation was supposed to be that the Wii is the only "true" gaming console this generation since all it does is play games , not movies or anything else. Although perhaps gaming machine to nintendo might be closer to entertainment machine by our standards.[/QUOTE]

If I'm not mistaken, the last time I heard that was before the Wii began selling like hotcakes.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']I'd have to agree with you. Sure, we might be downloading VC games, but when the number of people buying a $12 copy of Sin and Punishment pales in comparison to the number who spend $90 on Wii Fit, it's pretty clear that the demographic has shifted.

Even with the more frequent purchases, Nintendo's making most of their money from the people who bought it for casual gaming instead of from people like us. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean things will work a bit differently for the next few years.

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I am not going to argue the fact that they are making most of their cash off casual gamers, and they shift their games toward them. I totally agree there, but what I don't get is when there is a core demographic who has filled up their Wii's with virtual console games, they don't give a shit about them. I mean hell I bought over 20 VC games and would buy a lot more if they released good stuff on the VC. Now tell me how many casual gamers will spend that much or even anything on the VC? I mean I don't think granny or mom is going to rush out and spend money on VC games (or even know how too, lol :lol:), only the people who wants to play them, and I am sure people just don't buy ONE game to test the service out, I am sure people must be buying more than one. Hell I never owned a SNES (yes I know, but my parents got me a Genesis instead), so of course I am going to spend my money on all the SNES games I never got a chance to play, and if there is a problem with that, why is there a VC in the first place.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']I am not going to argue the fact that they are making most of their cash off casual gamers, and they shift their games toward them. I totally agree there, but what I don't get is when there is a core demographic who has filled up their Wii's with virtual console games, they don't give a shit about them. I mean hell I bought over 20 VC games and would buy a lot more if they released good stuff on the VC. Now tell me how many casual gamers will spend that much or even anything on the VC? I mean I don't think granny or mom is going to rush out and spend money on VC games (or even know how too, lol :lol:), only the people who wants to play them, and I am sure people just don't buy ONE game to test the service out, I am sure people must be buying more than one. Hell I never owned a SNES (yes I know, but my parents got me a Genesis instead), so of course I am going to spend my money on all the SNES games I never got a chance to play, and if there is a problem with that, why is there a VC in the first place.[/quote]
What you're referring to is not a "core demographic". A company's "core" is it's primary userbase. As a gamer, you are used to being the "core demographic" for game systems, but that is not the case here. By buying 20 VC games, you have made yourself an anomaly among Wii owners, not part of the main userbase. Granny and mom are the ones really supporting and promoting the Wii, and you're exactly right - they are not going to spend money on VC games, so neither is Nintendo.
There is a VC in the first place because development costs are minimal if not nonexistent. Anything beyond the current structure would require a financial investment on Nintendo's part that could potentially have very little return.
 
[quote name='mephitical']What you're referring to is not a "core demographic". A company's "core" is it's primary userbase. As a gamer, you are used to being the "core demographic" for game systems, but that is not the case here. By buying 20 VC games, you have made yourself an anomaly among Wii owners, not part of the main userbase. Granny and mom are the ones really supporting and promoting the Wii, and you're exactly right - they are not going to spend money on VC games, so neither is Nintendo.
There is a VC in the first place because development costs are minimal if not nonexistent. Anything beyond the current structure would require a financial investment on Nintendo's part that could potentially have very little return.[/quote]

I understand they won't be making any money with the storage issue if they made one but remember when the Wii came out they had those Wii branded SD cards. Nintendo could in theory go to a company like San Disk and have them make something. Since a third party would make the device the costs would be cut severely if not nonexistent since they would get most of the profits (like if Nintendo made an exclusive contract with a company like San Disk I am sure they would pay for a lot of the development costs). All Nintendo would need to do in theory is just have a Wii update. If Nintendo could tell me a valid reason why this is not possible then I would respect them more. So if only a few thousand people bought it it would not be Nintendo's loss since they did not make the thing (Just like the Hori Arcade Stick).
 
[quote name='mephitical']What you're referring to is not a "core demographic". A company's "core" is it's primary userbase. As a gamer, you are used to being the "core demographic" for game systems, but that is not the case here. By buying 20 VC games, you have made yourself an anomaly among Wii owners, not part of the main userbase. Granny and mom are the ones really supporting and promoting the Wii, and you're exactly right - they are not going to spend money on VC games, so neither is Nintendo.
There is a VC in the first place because development costs are minimal if not nonexistent. Anything beyond the current structure would require a financial investment on Nintendo's part that could potentially have very little return.[/QUOTE]

I'm willing to bet that you're wrong on demographics. While the game that buys 20+ VC games is likely in the minority, I feel that the traditional gamer still makes up a large portion of the market in addition to buying a few VC games here and there.

I feel the interesting thing about the Wii is that the spectrum has expanded to include those who have never bought a console before, i.e. parents and grandparents, not for their kids, but for themselves. But here's where the shit hits the fan, is this new demographic buying anything beyond WiiFit/Wii Sports? I would venture to say no, but I don't really know for sure. I will say that the core/traditional gamers are likely to be spending a lot of money.

It's likely we'll never know what the true demographic is anyway, considering Nintendo tends to stay pretty tight lipped on these kinds of things.
 
[quote name='BlueLobstah']I is this new demographic buying anything beyond WiiFit/Wii Sports? I would venture to say no, but I don't really know for sure. I will say that the core/traditional gamers are likely to be spending a lot of money.[/QUOTE]

Completely agreed.

Nintendo may have sold a lot of Wii Fits, but I'd wager by the size of that Wii Fit thread, that old school/core/hardcore crowd bought that up just like most of their other big name titles.

So sure, many casual Wii owners plunked $90 down as well. But as mentioned above, Wii Fit is probably their first or second game after Wii Sports or some budget family shit.

That doesn't compare to the Nintendo loyalist that buys Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Super Paper Mario, Smash Bros, etc etc etc. I'd say we're still the ones feeding them.
 
One thing I forgot to stress:

This peripheral IS coming.

I mean, we're talking about fucking NINTENDO. Since when have they been able to resist the urge to put out some new piece of hardware/add-on to milk some more money out of us?
 
[quote name='lilboo']:hot:

It's def coming soon.
Mmmm. I can just taste it!!

..::pulls a hair out of mouth::[/quote]
Oh that's naaaaasty! *cleavland voice*
 
[quote name='infamyRISE']
I mean, we're talking about fucking NINTENDO. Since when have they been able to resist the urge to put out some new piece of hardware/add-on to milk some more money out of us?[/QUOTE]

64DD, Stellaview, Famicon Disk System, anything Club Nintendo related, Play-Yan, and many more.

Granted these are things that never made the jump across the pond. But dont assume Nintendo will release anything.
 
[quote name='infamyRISE']Completely agreed.

Nintendo may have sold a lot of Wii Fits, but I'd wager by the size of that Wii Fit thread, that old school/core/hardcore crowd bought that up just like most of their other big name titles.

So sure, many casual Wii owners plunked $90 down as well. But as mentioned above, Wii Fit is probably their first or second game after Wii Sports or some budget family shit.

That doesn't compare to the Nintendo loyalist that buys Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Super Paper Mario, Smash Bros, etc etc etc. I'd say we're still the ones feeding them.[/quote]
This doesn't even make sense. You contradict yourself here. The logic that "hardcore gamers bought Wii Fit too so they're really responsible for the fact that it has higher sales than any other game" doesn't fit with your conclusion that the "Nintendo loyalist" is supporting the console.
 
[quote name='infamyRISE']So sure, many casual Wii owners plunked $90 down as well. But as mentioned above, Wii Fit is probably their first or second game after Wii Sports or some budget family shit.

That doesn't compare to the Nintendo loyalist that buys Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Super Paper Mario, Smash Bros, etc etc etc. I'd say we're still the ones feeding them.[/QUOTE]

It's all a question of numbers. Smash Brothers was a huge success its first week or two, but I remember hearing that sales dropped off dramatically once all of the "hardcore" gamers had gotten the game its first week. That might be an isolated event, but it also gave me the impression that either the Wii has a smaller install base of the "harcore," or that most of the people who own Wiis just don't care about games like that.

When I got my Wii this year, I got it in mid-February after waiting in line outside of a Target store. February in Michigan is awful - it was below freezing and windy. That didn't stop people from turning up hours ahead of time, though. What really struck me was that most of the people in line were older than me (I'm in my early twenties), and that almost all of the people I'd talked to, all of the thirty and forty year old couples, were there to buy it for themselves. Not for a present for their kids, not to pawn on eBay...but because they wanted it, badly enough to wait outside in the middle of winter. And this was true for the majority of the people in line with me.

I already said I agreed with mephetical, but just to make it absolutely clear: I'm about 90% sure you guys are grossly underestimating the number of non-gamers and casual gamers who are buying Wiis, and at the same time overestimating the number who buy the system and then get every Nintendo franchise title and fill their hard drives with VC releases. Those gamers exist, but I'm starting to think that they're being dwarfed by a group that, judging from the sales figures, could very well be millions more.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']It's all a question of numbers. Smash Brothers was a huge success its first week or two, but I remember hearing that sales dropped off dramatically once all of the "hardcore" gamers had gotten the game its first week. That might be an isolated event, but it also gave me the impression that either the Wii has a smaller install base of the "harcore," or that most of the people who own Wiis just don't care about games like that.

When I got my Wii this year, I got it in mid-February after waiting in line outside of a Target store. February in Michigan is awful - it was below freezing and windy. That didn't stop people from turning up hours ahead of time, though. What really struck me was that most of the people in line were older than me (I'm in my early twenties), and that almost all of the people I'd talked to, all of the thirty and forty year old couples, were there to buy it for themselves. Not for a present for their kids, not to pawn on eBay...but because they wanted it, badly enough to wait outside in the middle of winter. And this was true for the majority of the people in line with me.

I already said I agreed with mephetical, but just to make it absolutely clear: I'm about 90% sure you guys are grossly underestimating the number of non-gamers and casual gamers who are buying Wiis, and at the same time overestimating the number who buy the system and then get every Nintendo franchise title and fill their hard drives with VC releases. Those gamers exist, but I'm starting to think that they're being dwarfed by a group that, judging from the sales figures, could very well be millions more.[/quote]
Your point about the dedicated people in line is good anecdotal evidence. I have stood in line for a Wii four different times (gifts) and Wii Fit twice, and had the same experience as you every time - almost 100% made up of 30-50-year-old nongamers getting it for themselves. And each time this was before dawn and usually when it was freezing cold. That's serious dedication to a console.
 
[quote name='sonderiaom']They got 5?[/quote]
Yes, I was quite shocked too.

[quote name='botticus']That's the first showing from the C64, isn't it?[/QUOTE]
Nope, we already got:

March 28th: International Karate.
March 28th: Uridum.
April 11th: California Games.
April 11th: Impossible Mission.
April 25th: The Last Ninga.
April 25th: World Games.
May 23rd: Paradroid.
 
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