Wii U poor sales confirmed BY NINTENDO! Blasterman poor troll confirmed BY BLASTERMAN

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[quote name='io']Oh c'mon - use a little common sense. Nintendo is just covering their ass with the warnings. The "experts" know little about it because no one has used a 3D system like that for any length of time and also are just being cautious. They wouldn't want to say it's fine and then have someone after them later for that statement.

But of course like everything else it is a matter of degree. If your 4 year-old plays the 3DS 12 hours a day with the 3D on full blast, then, yeah, sure, they might end up with a few problems. But that would probably be true if they were using a DSi or Vita for that long too. And as everyone else has said, you can turn off the 3D anyway. The screen and analog stick are much more significant improvements than the 3D - though unlike many here I do tend to use the 3D more often than not. It makes the graphics "pop" a little even when you aren't playing something with a pronounced 3D effect. Plus there's the street pass, Puzzle Swap, and Miis and all that - something a kid would enjoy very much (these are all reasons to get a 3DS despite the 3D). Though taking 3D pictures is kind of fun too.

As for the whole Vita vs 3DS debate, it all comes down to games you prefer. I have a Vita and have been playing it a lot recently. But I'm actually closing in soon on being "done" with all the games I'd want to play on that system. I'd never be able to do that with the 3DS. Granted, Disgaea 3 and Persona 4 on Vita will take some time. But then again those are the JRPGs that whoknows up there disparages for being a large part of thr 3DS library. Without those existing on the Vita I would have been more hesitant to pick one up.[/QUOTE]

That's kind of self righteous dont you think? It sounds like you're guaranteeing the safety of the device though I know you wouldn't pay for medical bills for children after you convince their parents that its safe and you don't have to live with a kid that you disabled.

You know what other warning video games have? Seizure warnings and some games DO cause seizures in epileptics yet that would be considered covering their asses. I wouldn't recommend an epileptic play super star dust or geometry wars.

There are always people out there that claim something is just fine because no one was hurt by it. The fact is, you don't know the long term impact of this on young children and neither do I. Not allowing my kid to use one for a few years is hardly a hefty price to ensure her eyes develop properly. She doesn't even know a 3DS exists and shes got a dsi so she's not missing out.

This brings to mind a situation shortly after she was born, we were using this huge pain in the ass bottle that required you to purchase bags for it because of reports about BPA (a chemical in plastics that was originally designed to be an estrogen hormone). My in laws thought we were crazy and that it didnt matter because their kids used bottles with it. Then we had our second kid and he same people are saying, "make sure you don't get the ones with BPA, I saw it on 60 minutes!" Somehow they completely forgot the hyper critical attitude a few years before and now they're fucking geniuses. The chemical had been banned from baby products by the time they said that so their suggestion was completely irrelevant anyway. So this brings me back to the 3DS, "oh you're crazy, it's fine just let your kid use it!" The. What happens down the road if problems arise? The same people will say "those parents are so stupid, it's obvious a 4 year old shouldn't be using 3D!" I guaran-damn-tee you that will happen. The self righteous cant stand being wrong.

If I'm wrong, no harm is done. If they're wrong bad shit happens. No one wants to allow something that may hurt their kid and most people with a child under 6 wouldnt let their kid use the 3D if they knew about hese problems. Why does she need a 3DS exactly?
 
[quote name='Blaster man']Everyone's favorite analyst says that the Wii U will do the worst of the three this gen. Terribly written article "against Nintendo" is in there a couple of times. Really, are there no editors?
http://www.examiner.com/article/sxsw-pachter-believes-wii-u-won-t-sell-as-much-as-ps4-or-xbox-720

Slide below from Twitter and referenced in article:
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Next generation of consoles is probably the last? WTF? Is this guy full of shit or what! That's about the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I never said he was right all the time. I've already said twice that he isn't. However he was right about Kinect and the 3DS if he did say those things you claim he did. That is fact. The Kinect is very successful and the 3DS was a bomb before the price drop. Look at the numbers bro.[/QUOTE]
Kinnect has sold 24 million units in 2.5 years
The 3ds has sold 29 million units in 2 years, is still selling and and has a better attach rate.

Numbers say your wrong bro.
 
Pachter's numbers are too high if this next generation is to be the last generation. At those numbers, neither Sony or Microsoft would back out. Particularly Sony because they would've made quite a bit of money compared to PS3 if they sold roughly the same amount of units.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']That's kind of self righteous dont you think? It sounds like you're guaranteeing the safety of the device though I know you wouldn't pay for medical bills for children after you convince their parents that its safe and you don't have to live with a kid that you disabled. [/QUOTE]
The American Optometric Association still cautions moderation in 3D use, but in a statement issued today says that there is no evidence that suggests viewing 3D in moderation would have any sort of negative effect in children or adults.
In fact, the AOA says that using 3D technology like the 3DS could help uncover undiagnosed vision problems vision problems that a screening would miss under normal testing conditions.


Keep up the poor trolling :applause:.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']The American Optometric Association still cautions moderation in 3D use, but in a statement issued today says that there is no evidence that suggests viewing 3D in moderation would have any sort of negative effect in children or adults.
In fact, the AOA says that using 3D technology like the 3DS could help uncover undiagnosed vision problems vision problems that a screening would miss under normal testing conditions.


Keep up the poor trolling :applause:.[/QUOTE]

How many children under 6 do you people that are telling others to let their kids play a 3DS have? And if you actually have kids under 6, are they playing a 3DS in 3D?
 
I'll find any reason to link in relevant PA comics:
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[quote name='Blaster man']Those RPG's require more reading than a 4 year old can do...not sure if you'e been exposed to many 4 year old's. I have Kinect and that's a big hit with the kids. Kinect Sesame Street TV is a favorite as is Happy Action Theater. I got the Book of Spells for her for PS Move but it scared the living shit out of her.

Well when you have kids you can go ahead and let your kids use the 3D because you never heard anyone got hurt with it before....for me I'll just go with what the experts and Nintendo themselves say. I'd rather not be the cause of my kid having eye problems for life just so she can play games in 3D when she's 4.[/QUOTE]

Woah I never said that its ok to allow your kid to play the 3DS with the 3D on, honestly if your kid is 4 they probably should be playing outside or doing something else and not sitting in front of a screen or watching TV for more than 1-2 hours per day. The American Pediatrics association recommends no more than 1-2 hours of screen time per day for children over 2, and recommends no screen time for children under 2. I only stated that you have options to prevent them from viewing games in 3D if you should indeed purchase a 3DS for her.

http://www.healthychildren.org/English/family-life/Media/pages/Where-We-Stand-TV-Viewing-Time.aspx

Some kids go to 3D movies at age 2-3 and I can't imagine that being good for them if Nintendo says their 3D is bad for kids under 7, especially since they would be exposed to the 3D for as long as the movie lasts, sometimes an hour or 2.

If they don't know how to read and can't play a majority of the games because of that then that is a sign they are probably too young for the device anyways.

Also I don't have kids, and I will never have kids, so that is irrelevant here.

I see kids in strollers playing these games, I would hope that these kids are under 7 years old, because if they are over 7 and still in a stroller these kids have other problems so I won't go there, I assume all of these kids in strollers that I see when I go to the mall playing these games probably don't have the 3D turned off on their 3DS's.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']That's kind of self righteous dont you think? It sounds like you're guaranteeing the safety of the device though I know you wouldn't pay for medical bills for children after you convince their parents that its safe and you don't have to live with a kid that you disabled.

You know what other warning video games have? Seizure warnings and some games DO cause seizures in epileptics yet that would be considered covering their asses. I wouldn't recommend an epileptic play super star dust or geometry wars.

There are always people out there that claim something is just fine because no one was hurt by it. The fact is, you don't know the long term impact of this on young children and neither do I. Not allowing my kid to use one for a few years is hardly a hefty price to ensure her eyes develop properly. She doesn't even know a 3DS exists and shes got a dsi so she's not missing out.

This brings to mind a situation shortly after she was born, we were using this huge pain in the ass bottle that required you to purchase bags for it because of reports about BPA (a chemical in plastics that was originally designed to be an estrogen hormone). My in laws thought we were crazy and that it didnt matter because their kids used bottles with it. Then we had our second kid and he same people are saying, "make sure you don't get the ones with BPA, I saw it on 60 minutes!" Somehow they completely forgot the hyper critical attitude a few years before and now they're fucking geniuses. The chemical had been banned from baby products by the time they said that so their suggestion was completely irrelevant anyway. So this brings me back to the 3DS, "oh you're crazy, it's fine just let your kid use it!" The. What happens down the road if problems arise? The same people will say "those parents are so stupid, it's obvious a 4 year old shouldn't be using 3D!" I guaran-damn-tee you that will happen. The self righteous cant stand being wrong.

If I'm wrong, no harm is done. If they're wrong bad shit happens. No one wants to allow something that may hurt their kid and most people with a child under 6 wouldnt let their kid use the 3D if they knew about hese problems. Why does she need a 3DS exactly?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='itachiitachi']The American Optometric Association still cautions moderation in 3D use, but in a statement issued today says that there is no evidence that suggests viewing 3D in moderation would have any sort of negative effect in children or adults.
In fact, the AOA says that using 3D technology like the 3DS could help uncover undiagnosed vision problems vision problems that a screening would miss under normal testing conditions.


Keep up the poor trolling :applause:.[/QUOTE]

Yep, this is what I was thinking of - I should have mentioned that. And you further proved my point by bringing up the epileptic siezure warnings. That applies to a certain small segment of the population. Likewise, the 3D might be detrimental for people with certain eye conditions (though as itachiitachi points out, it might actually help draw attention to some of these conditions so they can be treated)... So yeah, Blasterman, you are the one who is self-righteous in this thread. You've proven that from day one. Kind of ironic...

And besides, if you wanted to do what was best for your kid, why were you using bottles at all? ;) I've had 5 kids and never once was a bottle of any kind (BPA or not) involved. Though I do agree with you on BPA - we got rid of any BPA-infused sippy cups and such when that news first broke.

And no, I'm not trying to put you down - just making the point that you can always be cautious about every little thing your kids do and playing the Nintendo 3DS (even in dreaded 3D mode) is pretty far down the list...

In any case, I 100% guarantee that Nintendo's warnings came from their lawyers in order to cover their asses. There's no way Nintendo did years of research to determine that kids under 7 (or whatever arbitrary number) shouldn't play a handheld in 3D.
 
[quote name='io']In any case, I 100% guarantee that Nintendo's warnings came from their lawyers in order to cover their asses. There's no way Nintendo did years of research to determine that kids under 7 (or whatever arbitrary number) shouldn't play a handheld in 3D.[/QUOTE]

This is absolutely the case. One kid somewhere in the world is going to screw up his eyes permanently and blame Nintendo. That lawsuit is coming. The warnings are so Nintendo can more easily shift blame.
 
[quote name='Javery']This is absolutely the case. One kid somewhere in the world is going to screw up his eyes permanently and blame Nintendo. That lawsuit is coming. The warnings are so Nintendo can more easily shift blame.[/QUOTE]

That one lawsuit might cause Nintendo to have to pull their product from the shelves if it gets enough publicity, or they would have to make a redesigned 3DS with no 3D which would be pointless. Not to mention it would put serious financial strain on the company and possibly make Nintendo go bankrupt because they would now have a reputation of creating products that are harmful to children. I agree this is why the warnings are there, but these warnings have been around since the Virtual Boy days because you weren't supposed to play the virtual boy if at all if you were under 7. I also imagine that the VB's screen was a lot worse for your eyes than the 3DS's screen!
 
[quote name='Javery']This is absolutely the case. One kid somewhere in the world is going to screw up his eyes permanently and blame Nintendo. That lawsuit is coming. The warnings are so Nintendo can more easily shift blame.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to do that. I could use some easy money.
 
[quote name='Deader2818']I don't think you'd win that law suit, lol.[/QUOTE]
I think that you'd be surprised. Most likely Nintendo would settle out of court. Keep in mind that doctors are sued for malpractice all the time yet they won't do anything to help you until you sign a waiver saying you won't sue them. When you go in front of a jury and you're injured, the people on the jury imagine themselves in your position. That's why lawsuits are settled out of court.
 
So what you are saying is, if all of us file a law suit with Nintendo, we would all get a settlement out of court?

Why doesn't everyone do this!

But wait, wouldn't you have to actually have proof of the 3d doing damage to your eye sight? I guess that puts a damper on the whole thing :(
 
[quote name='io']Yep, this is what I was thinking of - I should have mentioned that. And you further proved my point by bringing up the epileptic siezure warnings. That applies to a certain small segment of the population. Likewise, the 3D might be detrimental for people with certain eye conditions (though as itachiitachi points out, it might actually help draw attention to some of these conditions so they can be treated)... So yeah, Blasterman, you are the one who is self-righteous in this thread. You've proven that from day one. Kind of ironic...

And besides, if you wanted to do what was best for your kid, why were you using bottles at all? ;) I've had 5 kids and never once was a bottle of any kind (BPA or not) involved. Though I do agree with you on BPA - we got rid of any BPA-infused sippy cups and such when that news first broke.

And no, I'm not trying to put you down - just making the point that you can always be cautious about every little thing your kids do and playing the Nintendo 3DS (even in dreaded 3D mode) is pretty far down the list...

In any case, I 100% guarantee that Nintendo's warnings came from their lawyers in order to cover their asses. There's no way Nintendo did years of research to determine that kids under 7 (or whatever arbitrary number) shouldn't play a handheld in 3D.[/QUOTE]
ah-ha! See, others here don't get it because they don't have kids. When you've got kids you do what you can to help them (such as no BPA) and wouldn't want to take unnecessary risks. On the seizure front, did you know that active shutter 3D causes it? I have a passive 3D TV that I picked up recently (though not for my kid to watch obviously).


[quote name='Deader2818']So what you are saying is, if all of us file a law suit with Nintendo, we would all get a settlement out of court?

Why doesn't everyone do this!

But wait, wouldn't you have to actually have proof of the 3d doing damage to your eye sight? I guess that puts a damper on the whole thing :([/QUOTE]

Sure if your eye sight goes to shit after playing it. I don't know about you but I have a history of eye exams. If you have a record of your exams then you get a 3DS and suddenly your eyesight has problems that have never been there before then yeah I think you can sue. But as an adult it shouldn't be an issue as your eyes (I'm assuming your an adult here obviously) are finished developing.
 
I'll understand that I should take responsibility for what I give and don't give my children and not blame companies if something they sale may or may not cause harm to my child?
 
[quote name='Deader2818']I'll understand that I should take responsibility for what I give and don't give my children and not blame companies if something they sale may or may not cause harm to my child?[/QUOTE]

Without these warnings, how would you know what you should or shouldn't give to a child? If you give a toy to a child, and something happens with the toy that causes the child to die, it's fully your responsibility? So you can't give anything to your kids, including food. Which means they die anyways.
 
[quote name='elessar123']Without these warnings, how would you know what you should or shouldn't give to a child? If you give a toy to a child, and something happens with the toy that causes the child to die, it's fully your responsibility? So you can't give anything to your kids, including food. Which means they die anyways.[/QUOTE]

Common sense?

Or is that too much to expect from parents these days?
 
[quote name='elessar123']Without these warnings, how would you know what you should or shouldn't give to a child? If you give a toy to a child, and something happens with the toy that causes the child to die, it's fully your responsibility? So you can't give anything to your kids, including food. Which means they die anyways.[/QUOTE]

Uh... what? Im not against the warnings at all.

But if they warn you that it could cause damage to your child's eyes if they are under 6 but you give it to them anyways and they damage their eyes, thats on you, not the company.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Common sense?

Or is that too much to expect from parents these days?[/QUOTE]

I think the real issue is how litigious our society has become. Seems like there are disclaimers/warnings on everything.

Let us not forget the lady that spilled McDonald's coffee on her crotch, and WON.
 
Once and for all, the package says kids under 7 shouldn't play in 3D mode, so yes your kid can have a 3DS and even play the games, they just can't use the 3D mode till they are 7. It's a regular DS without the 3D effect, but there are games on the 3DS that cannot be played on the other DS systems. Nintendo provides parental controls so the 3D doesn't get turned on accidentally. I think they have themselves covered pretty well here.

Also I probably drank out of a BPA infested bottle as a kid, was carted around town in a car in the back seat with just a lap seat belt after I outgrew the carseat and didn't wear a bike helmet until it became a law ( I was like 12 when it did so that is a lot of years riding a bike without a helmet) and I am still here without any major injuries. I also slept in a crib from the UK that had the side that can fall down and kill a baby ( this one is a long story!)
 
[quote name='xtreme_Zr2']I think the real issue is how litigious our society has become. Seems like there are disclaimers/warnings on everything.

Let us not forget the lady that spilled McDonald's coffee on her crotch, and WON.[/QUOTE]

This conversation has drifted way off topic but ill add this anyway. Yes some warning labels are for obvious things. That said, many warning labels are not. I wouldn't have known about the 3DS being bad for the eyes of children under 7. I'm not a medical professional and don't know the intricacies of eye development in children. To some extent these warnings are important because none of us is an expert of everything. A good example is when you read warning labels on food and it specifies to cook it at or above a certain temperature for a certain length of time. I'm not a microbiologist or an expert on say turkeys. I don't know how long it takes to kill the specific types of bacteria that typically lives in a turkey.



[quote name='Deader2818']damn 360 really does have no market in japan, lol[/QUOTE]

MS has never been successful with Xbox in Japan because MS isn't a Japanese company. It's very strange that Japanese people will stick to their brands but we buy theirs in large numbers. That said, Xbox 720 will sell best in the US compared to Wii U or PS4. That's why almost everyone at the PS4 conference was European. The European market is the battleground for the next generation.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']This conversation has drifted way off topic but ill add this anyway. Yes some warning labels are for obvious things. That said, many warning labels are not. I wouldn't have known about the 3DS being bad for the eyes of children under 7. I'm not a medical professional and don't know the intricacies of eye development in children. To some extent these warnings are important because none of us is an expert of everything. A good example is when you read warning labels on food and it specifies to cook it at or above a certain temperature for a certain length of time. I'm not a microbiologist or an expert on say turkeys. I don't know how long it takes to kill the specific types of bacteria that typically lives in a turkey.





MS has never been successful with Xbox in Japan because MS isn't a Japanese company. It's very strange that Japanese people will stick to their brands but we buy theirs in large numbers. That said, Xbox 720 will sell best in the US compared to Wii U or PS4. That's why almost everyone at the PS4 conference was European. The European market is the battleground for the next generation.[/QUOTE]

Meanwhile globally Sony will win and the PS3 will continue to sell really well for the next few years, even after the PS4 is released. Microsoft holds down the United States because people will buy and rebuy cheaply made junk (not saying the 360 is junk) but its failure rate at launch was nothing short of a disaster all in the name of consumers thinking they are saving money up front by purchasing the cheaper system which no doubt the next Xbox will be compared to the next playstation... even when they end up rebuying that system multiple times.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Meanwhile globally Sony will win and the PS3 will continue to sell really well for the next few years, even after the PS4 is released. Microsoft holds down the United States because people will buy and rebuy cheaply made junk (not saying the 360 is junk) but its failure rate at launch was nothing short of a disaster all in the name of consumers thinking they are saving money up front by purchasing the cheaper system which no doubt the next Xbox will be compared to the next playstation... even when they end up rebuying that system multiple times.[/QUOTE]

Sony will "win"? I'm not sure what your overly dramatic post has to do with mine but sure. A lot of people (myself included) have all the game consoles. When people have only one they tend to post these emotional salutes to the platform they own. You go worry about "winners and losers" and I'll play games. It's why I want a Wii u price drop. FYI: Most games that people in the West enjoy are better on the 360 because they're typically developed by western devs (most from the US) for the western audience which predominantly owns Xbox's. if you want Japanese developed games then those are typically better (or only) on the PS3. I'm playing Ni No Kuni now and that will never be on the 360 but I sure as hell would never buy a Bethesda game for the PS3.

The next playstation may "win" but that only matters if you want to play JRPG's or other Japanese centric games. The US is the number 1 game market in the world and the UK is number 2. Japan is 3rd. Sony will sell best in Japan and the rest of the world outside the US, UK, and Australia. Of cours much of the rest of the world has different tastes. Personally I couldn't care less about soccer but those games are the best selling sports games for instance.

Again, why do you care what console "wins"? Whatever that console is will likely barely outsell the other one globally anyway. Go play games and don't worry what heartless corporations do. They don't care about you, only your money. The only reason to care about sales is if it will result in no games coming to the platform or it being aborted early. There is no reason to discuss "winning" by 5-10 million more sales. I don't think most people here care about that. All they care about is getting the best deal and that's why my insistence that Wii u will price drop is grating on people here so much. We all know Nintendo will support the Wii U regardless of sales but people here don't want to feel "taken".
 
[quote name='Blaster man']Sony will "win"? I'm not sure what your overly dramatic post has to do with mine but sure. A lot of people (myself included) have all the game consoles. When people have only one they tend to post these emotional salutes to the platform they own. You go worry about "winners and losers" and I'll play games. It's why I want a Wii u price drop. FYI: Most games that people in the West enjoy are better on the 360 because they're typically developed by western devs (most from the US) for the western audience which predominantly owns Xbox's. if you want Japanese developed games then those are typically better (or only) on the PS3. I'm playing Ni No Kuni now and that will never be on the 360 but I sure as hell would never buy a Bethesda game for the PS3.

The next playstation may "win" but that only matters if you want to play JRPG's or other Japanese centric games. The US is the number 1 game market in the world and the UK is number 2. Japan is 3rd. Sony will sell best in Japan and the rest of the world outside the US, UK, and Australia. Of cours much of the rest of the world has different tastes. Personally I couldn't care less about soccer but those games are the best selling sports games for instance.

Again, why do you care what console "wins"? Whatever that console is will likely barely outsell the other one globally anyway. Go play games and don't worry what heartless corporations do. They don't care about you, only your money. The only reason to care about sales is if it will result in no games coming to the platform or it being aborted early. There is no reason to discuss "winning" by 5-10 million more sales. I don't think most people here care about that. All they care about is getting the best deal and that's why my insistence that Wii u will price drop is grating on people here so much. We all know Nintendo will support the Wii U regardless of sales but people here don't want to feel "taken".[/QUOTE]

First I do own every console.

Second:

The only reason to care about sales is...
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And yet you created this thread... guess you just trolled yourself.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']First I do own every console.

Second:



And yet you created this thread... guess you just trolled yourself.[/QUOTE]

If you own all three why do you care which one "wins"? I was discussing more along the lines of demographics and replying to the fact that Japanese people have brand loyalty to Sony. You can see videos of people buying PS3's and they're happy but pics/vids of them buying Xbox's, they're covering their faces and generally look embarrassed/ashamed. Apparently it's a shameful act to buy an Xbox over there. The 360 sales being poor there was mentioned and I expanded on it with a discussion of what sells best where. Then you reply with something that can only be described as. Patriotic salute.

Right, created the topic because its had poor sales and I like that as it means a price drop. I did mention this. You guys that already bought a Wii U are rather unhappy about a price drop. I'm sure if one happens next month that there will be another ambassador program though.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']If you own all three why do you care which one "wins"? I was discussing more along the lines of demographics and replying to the fact that Japanese people have brand loyalty to Sony. You can see videos of people buying PS3's and they're happy but pics/vids of them buying Xbox's, they're covering their faces and generally look embarrassed/ashamed. Apparently it's a shameful act to buy an Xbox over there. The 360 sales being poor there was mentioned and I expanded on it with a discussion of what sells best where. Then you reply with something that can only be described as. Patriotic salute.

Right, created the topic because its had poor sales and I like that as it means a price drop. I did mention this. You guys that already bought a Wii U are rather unhappy about a price drop. I'm sure if one happens next month that there will be another ambassador program though.[/QUOTE]

I have bought all my systems in the past 2-3 years at launch and don't regret it--not for a second. For example here are people still waiting for a $149.99 price point (MSRP) on a new Vita and they have a long ways to wait. Those two to three years they spend waiting I'll have gotten 2-3 years of enjoyment out of my system which is well worth the $100 extra I paid at launch. Same goes with the 3DS.

In regards to my Playstation comments I just think people have such a small view of how sales work globally. The fastest growing economies are centered in South America and that is another area that is heavily PS3 orientated. Brazil has the seventh largest economy in the world and it is continuing to grow and while they are not at Japan's level of favoring Sony over Microsoft it is enough where they will have a significant impact on keeping/putting Sony above Microsoft.

You give me a business that only focuses on domestic sales and give me the choice of carrying Sony or Microsoft products and I'll go with Microsoft. You give me a business that can sell products worldwide and without a doubt I'm going with Sony.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']I have bought all my systems in the past 2-3 years at launch and don't regret it--not for a second. For example here are people still waiting for a $149.99 price point (MSRP) on a new Vita and they have a long ways to wait. Those two to three years they spend waiting I'll have gotten 2-3 years of enjoyment out of my system which is well worth the $100 extra I paid at launch. Same goes with the 3DS.

In regards to my Playstation comments I just think people have such a small view of how sales work globally. The fastest growing economies are centered in South America and that is another area that is heavily PS3 orientated. Brazil has the seventh largest economy in the world and it is continuing to grow and while they are not at Japan's level of favoring Sony over Microsoft it is enough where they will have a significant impact on keeping/putting Sony above Microsoft.

You give me a business that only focuses on domestic sales and give me the choice of carrying Sony or Microsoft products and I'll go with Microsoft. You give me a business that can sell products worldwide and without a doubt I'm going with Sony.[/QUOTE]

This needs to be highlighted. We seek deals so hard here that we forget that there is value in the time you spend with a game or system.
 
Sure, there is always value in having something at launch, but some people(myself included) have 10+ AAA games in their backlog that will get them well into the first price drop/redesign of the next round of systems. Too many good games/not enough time.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']I have bought all my systems in the past 2-3 years at launch and don't regret it--not for a second. For example here are people still waiting for a $149.99 price point (MSRP) on a new Vita and they have a long ways to wait. Those two to three years they spend waiting I'll have gotten 2-3 years of enjoyment out of my system which is well worth the $100 extra I paid at launch. Same goes with the 3DS.

In regards to my Playstation comments I just think people have such a small view of how sales work globally. The fastest growing economies are centered in South America and that is another area that is heavily PS3 orientated. Brazil has the seventh largest economy in the world and it is continuing to grow and while they are not at Japan's level of favoring Sony over Microsoft it is enough where they will have a significant impact on keeping/putting Sony above Microsoft.

You give me a business that only focuses on domestic sales and give me the choice of carrying Sony or Microsoft products and I'll go with Microsoft. You give me a business that can sell products worldwide and without a doubt I'm going with Sony.[/QUOTE]

I agree that Sony will probably sell better globally but that doesn't matter much in terms of western games because the Xbox will do best in the US, UK, and AUS. It matters in terms of actually getting 3rd party games out there on the console since it will get ports but the jury is still out on how they will compare to the next Xbox. Personally I prefer to get a game for the console it's best on which is usually the one it was developed for. It may not be as much of an issue next gen since Sony is getting away from its insane hardware design.

As for handhelds, I won't ever get a vita or 3ds for myself because I'm not much of a handheld gamer. My phone is fine for those needs. In a couple years I may get a 3DS for my daughter but I don't think she needs a vita since its not kid friendly.

[quote name='hufferstl']Sure, there is always value in having something at launch, but some people(myself included) have 10+ AAA games in their backlog that will get them well into the first price drop/redesign of the next round of systems. Too many good games/not enough to time.[/QUOTE]

Same here. I hope my backlogs lasts until the first price drops of the next consoles. It probably will, especially when you consider there's still last year, this year, and possibly next year games to add to it. If games on next gen consoles go clearance I can pick them up and hold onto them (if they're good) until I own those consoles.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']How many children under 6 do you people that are telling others to let their kids play a 3DS have? And if you actually have kids under 6, are they playing a 3DS in 3D?[/QUOTE]
With the numbers of kids the in the U.S. who have had their diets shot with junk food, or are so addicted to texting that the can't stop while they are driving, or only see education as a mean to good grades and have a disdane for intellectualism, or think signs of manliness are how much you can drink and how many chicks you knock up ect........
If the worst thing about IO's parenting is that he lets his kids use a 3DS, then he may be the best parent in this damned country.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']With the numbers of kids the in the U.S. who have had their diets shot with junk food, or are so addicted to texting that the can't stop while they are driving, or only see education as a mean to good grades and have a disdane for intellectualism, or think signs of manliness are how much you can drink and how many chicks you knock up ect........
If the worst thing about IO's parenting is that he lets his kids use a 3DS, then he may be the best parent in this damned country.[/QUOTE]

Every single thing you mentioned are for people older than the ages that have issues with the 3DS. Comparing teen pregnancy with children under 7 possibly having developmental disorders due to negligent parents seems apples and oranges.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']With the numbers of kids the in the U.S. who have had their diets shot with junk food, or are so addicted to texting that the can't stop while they are driving, or only see education as a mean to good grades and have a disdane for intellectualism, or think signs of manliness are how much you can drink and how many chicks you knock up ect........
If the worst thing about IO's parenting is that he lets his kids use a 3DS, then he may be the best parent in this damned country.[/QUOTE]

Given what I see that goes on in households here as someone said before letting a kid under 7 use the 3DS with the 3D on rates pretty much rock bottom on the list of bad things you could do to your kid. Yes its necessary for the warning to be there, because it is an informative statement, and as I said before this warning has been around since the VB days, so really its nothing new. But when I see parents who are doing things that directly harm their children almost every day then this rates pretty low on the list of bad things you could do to your kids. If I had a kid with a 3DS I would turn the 3D off until they turned 7 too, the package says to do it so I would do it.
 
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[quote name='SaraAB']Given what I see that goes on in households here as someone said before letting a kid under 7 use the 3DS with the 3D on rates pretty much rock bottom on the list of bad things you could do to your kid. Yes its necessary for the warning to be there, because it is an informative statement, and as I said before this warning has been around since the VB days, so really its nothing new. But when I see parents who are doing things that directly harm their children almost every day then this rates pretty low on the list of bad things you could do to your kids. If I had a kid with a 3DS I would turn the 3D off until they turned 7 too, the package says to do it so I would do it.[/QUOTE]

The thing is, a minority of parents are harming their children but the majority doesn't. Any time you can give your kid a leg up you do. No 3ds until she's at least 7 is hardly a tough life if it helps her later in life (and in school being able to see the chalk board better). I don't really consider it "suffering" to have to use a DSi a couple of years longer. The 3DS will be cheaper and there will be more games when she finally gets it. Win win win in my book. You'll find out once you have kids.
*curses SaraAB*

[quote name='foltzie']Of course, not all people agree that viewing 3D games is harmful for children.

http://www.aoa.org/x17309.xml[/QUOTE]

/read it better than you
No mention of under 6 being used to find eye issues.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']

/read it better than you
No mention of under 6 being used to find eye issues.[/QUOTE]

Did you now.

Nintendo has issued a warning that children under 6 should not use the 3DS in 3D mode. While studies on the effects of prolonged 3D viewing on young children remain to be done, leaning toward the side of caution is advisable in guiding children to use these devices in moderation.
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They encourage moderation, but not a ban, which given they are doctors is on par with most recommendations.
 
[quote name='foltzie']Did you now.



They encourage moderation, but not a ban, which given they are doctors is on par with most recommendations.[/QUOTE]

Yep, only thing 6 and below is mentioning the warning.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']Yep, only thing 6 and below is mentioning the warning.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo yes, the AoA not so much

Accordingly, children younger than 6 can use the 3DS in 3D mode if their visual system is developing normally.
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Nintendo is CYAing in this situation, which is understandable given previous situations with seizures, ect.

Seemingly, however, is there are no peer review studies showing that 3d images are bad for children, nor any that say they are harmless.
 
[quote name='foltzie']Nintendo yes, the AoA not so much



Nintendo is CYAing in this situation, which is understandable given previous situations with seizures, ect.

Seemingly, however, is there are no peer review studies showing that 3d images are bad for children, nor any that say they are harmless.[/QUOTE]

I don't get why you're encouraging people to let 4 year olds use the 3d. No one is going to do something that could harm there kid for no good reason.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']I don't get why you're encouraging people to let 4 year olds use the 3d. No one is going to do something that could harm there kid for no good reason.[/QUOTE]

I'm encouraging nothing except critical thinking.

Merely pointing out, something presented here as fact, is currently ambiguous by experts in the relevant field, and possibly with some medical indicative value.
 
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