XBL Deals - 2018

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  • You cannot currently buy any Xbox 360 content on xbox.com using your account balance, you can only use an active credit card or PayPal. To use your balance, you must make purchases on your console.  Unfortunately, even "purchasing" free content through the web site like trials requires an alternative method of payment tied to your account, though adding an empty MasterCard / Visa gift card that is registered for online purchases will work.  Xbox One games can be purchased on the web site with your account balance.
  • Some sales are intended for Gold subscribers only, as noted within each section.
    On Xbox One, Gold trials of any length work for sales and Games with Gold.  You must be an active Gold subscriber (paid or trial) to play Games with Gold purchases.
  • On Xbox 360, you must have at least a 1 month Gold subscription for sales and Games with Gold.  Neither 48 hour trials, 14 day trials nor free weekends qualify.

[*]All known sales and information on sales should make their way into the OP. Major Nelson usually updates his blog with new sales information every Tuesday.
[*]ALL OFFERS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE! No information within this thread can or should be construed as accurate (or still valid), therefore ...
[*]Always verify Xbox Live Marketplace prices before your purchase!
[*]Spend wisely, have fun, and enjoy!
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Games with Gold

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Deals with Gold
 

1/1 - 1/7


[*]:xb1: Gas Guzzlers Extreme - $6.24 - 75% off
[*]:xb1: Hyper Sentinel - $7.49 - 50% off
[*]:xb1: Industry Giant 2 - $19.99 - 50% off
[*]:xb1: Infinite Adventures - $18.74 - 25% off
[*]:xb1: Neighborhorde - $1.99 - 60% off
[*]:xb1: Nidhogg 2 - $11.24 - 25% off
[*]:xb1: Shiness: The Lightning Kingdom - $7.50 - 75% off
[*]:xb1: Space Hulk: Tactics - $26.79 - 33% off
[*]:xb1: Spintires: MudRunner - $8.75 - 75% off
[*]:xb1: Steel Rain X - $6.69 - 33% off
[*]:xb1: Worms Battlegrounds - $6.25 - 75% off

12/18 - 12/24


[*]:xb1: Yoku's Island Express - $6.60 - 67% off
[*]:360: Dogfight 1942 - $2.49 - 75% off

[*]:360: Dungeon Defenders - $2.99 - 80% off

[*]:360: :xb1: Faery: Legends of Avalon - $1.49 - 80% off
12/11 - 12/17


[*]:xb1: Battlefield 4 - $5.00 - 75% off

[*]:xb1: Battlefield Anniversary Bundle - $20.00 - 80% off
[*]:xb1: Battlefield Hardline Ultimate Edition - $9.00 - 85% off
[*]:xb1: Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon - $6.99 - 30% off
[*]:xb1: Dead Ahead Epic Military Pack - $3.99 - 60% off
[*]:xb1: Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition - $10.00 - 75% off
[*]:xb1: Handball 17 - $12.00 - 80% off
[*]:xb1: Hunting Simulator - $12.00 - 70% off
[*]:xb1: Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Deluxier Edition - $10.49 - 30% off
[*]:xb1: The Long Reach - $6.00 - 60% off
[*]:xb1: Mega Man Legacy Collection 1 & 2 Combo Pack - $15.00 - 50% off
[*]:xb1: Mega Man X Legacy Collection 1+2 - $29.99 - 25% off
[*]:xb1: Mirror's Edge Catalyst - $5.00 - 75% off
[*]:xb1: Monster Hunter: World - $25.00 - 50% off

[*]:xb1: Moto Racer 4 - $6.00 - 70% off
[*]:xb1: MotoGP17 - $12.00 - 70% off
[*]:xb1: Mugsters - $4.95 - 67% off
[*]:xb1: MXGP3 - $12.00 - 70% off
[*]:xb1: Sébastien Loeb Rally EVO - $5.00 - 75% off
[*]:xb1: Spintires: MudRunner - American Wilds Edition - $29.99 - 25% off
[*]:xb1: Stardust Galaxy Warriors: Stellar Climax - $3.29 - 67% off
[*]:xb1: The Technomancer - $10.00 - 75% off
[*]:xb1: Toy Odyssey - $5.99 - 60% off
[*]:xb1: V-Rally 4 - $40.19 - 33% off

[*]:xb1: Valentino Rossi The Game - $5.00 - 75% off
[*]:xb1: Yesterday Origins - $6.00 - 70% off
[*]:360: Abyss Odyssey - $7.49 - 50% off
[*]:360: Alien Rage - $2.99 - 80% off
[*]:360: Enemy Front - $5.99 - 85% off

[*]:360: God Mode - $4.99 - 50% off
[*]:360: :xb1: Persona 4 Arena - $7.49 - 50% off
[*]:360: Realms of Ancient War - $1.99 - 80% off
[*]:xbox: :360: :xb1: Panzer Dragoon Orta - $4.99 - 50% off
12/4 - 12/10


[*]:xb1: Clouds & Sheep 2 - $4.99 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: The Council - Complete Season - $20.09 - 33% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: The Count Lucanor - $7.49 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Flatout 4 : Total Insanity - $12.50 - 75% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Forza Horizon 3 Platinum Plus Expansions Bundle - $47.09 - 70% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Forza Horizon 3 and Forza Motorsport 6 Bundle - $31.99 - 60% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: The Journey Down Trilogy - $31.99 - 20% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Kinect Bundle: Kung-Fu & Air Guitar Warrior - $19.24 - 45% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Momonga Pinball Adventures - $4.19 - 30% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Need for Speed - $5.00 - 75% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Need for Speed Rivals - $5.00 - 75% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Need for Speed Ultimate Bundle - $20.00 - 80% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Peggle 2 - $2.40 - 80% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Seum: Speedrunners from Hell - $7.50 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Sherlock Holmes: The Devil's Daughter - $13.75 - 75% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Tour de France 2018 - $20.00 - 60% off - Price History
[*]:360: The Bureau: Xcom Declassified - $3.99 - 80% off - Price History
[*]:360: The Darkness - $3.99 - 80% off - Price History
[*]:360: Duke Nukem Forever - $3.99 - 80% off - Price History
[*]:360: Farming Simulator 15 - $4.99 - 75% off - Price History

[*]:360: Ride - $5.99 - 80% off - Price History
11/27 - 12/3


[*]:360: Conan - $2.99 - 85% off - Price History
[*]:360: Elements of Destruction - Full - $1.49 - 85% off - Price History
[*]:360: L.A. Noire - $8.99 - 70% off - Price History
[*]:360: Legend of Kay Anniversary - $4.49 - 85% off - Price History
[*]:360: :xb1: Mars: War Logs - $1.99 - 80% off - Price History
[*]:360: Sniper: Ghost Warrior

[*]:360: Sniper: Ghost Warrior 2

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Sales and Specials

Spotlight - 1/1 - 1/7

Spotlight - 12/18 - 12/24


[*]:xb1: The Infectious Madness of Doctor Dekker - $8.44 - 35% off
Spotlight - 12/11 - 12/17

The Game Awards - 12/6 - 12/9


[*]:xb1: Banner Saga 3 - $19.99 - 20% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Battlefield V - $35.99 - 40% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 - $47.99 - 20% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Dead Cells - $16.74 - 33% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Destiny 2: Forsaken - $29.99 - 25% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Doom - $14.99 - 25% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Dragon Ball FighterZ - $24.00 - 60% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Far Cry 5 - $30.00 - 50% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: FIFA 19 - $35.99 - 40% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Forza Horizon 4 Standard Edition - $38.99 - 35% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Grand Theft Auto V - $19.49 - 35% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Life Is Strange 2 Episode 1 - $4.00 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Madden NFL 19 - $30.00 - 50% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Mega Man 11 - $23.99 - 20% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Monster Hunter: World - $25.00 - 50% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: NBA 2K19 - $30.00 - 50% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: No Man's Sky - $39.99 - 20% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Overcooked! 2 - $18.74 - 25% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Red Dead Redemption 2: Special Edition - $71.99 - 10% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Sea of Thieves - $29.99 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Shadow of the Tomb Raider - $30.00 - 50% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: SoulCalibur VI - $41.99 - 30% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Starlink: Battle For Atlas - $44.99 - 25% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: The Crew 2 Standard Edition - $24.00 - 60% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: The Elder Scrolls Online - $10.00 - 50% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: The Missing: J.J. Macfield and the Island of Memories - $22.49 - 25% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege - $15.00 - 70% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Transference - $14.99 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Valkyria Chronicles 4 - $30.00 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus - $19.80 - 67% off - Price History

[*]:xb1: Yoku's Island Express - $6.60 - 67% off - Price History
Spotlight - 12/4 - 12/10


[*]:xb1: The Council

Party Time Sale - 12/4 - 12/10


[*]:xb1: Caveman Warriors - $3.74 - 75% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: ClusterTruck - $7.49 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Crazy Strike Bowling Ex - $6.49 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Cyber Complex - $4.99 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Deployment - $7.49 - 25% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Disco Dodgeball - Remix - $7.50 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Doughlings: Arcade - $5.24 - 25% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: DragoDino - $7.49 - 25% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Fru - $3.74 - 75% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Hyperdrive Massacre - $1.99 - 80% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Inversus Deluxe - $4.94 - 67% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: The Jackbox Party Pack - $14.99 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: The Jackbox Party Pack 2 - $14.99 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: The Jackbox Party Pack 3 - $17.49 - 30% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: The Jackbox Party Pack 4 - $17.49 - 30% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Jump Stars - $2.00 - 80% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes - $11.24 - 25% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Kung-Fu for Kinect - $11.99 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Lily's Epic Quest for Lost Gems - $2.79 - 60% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Mantis Burn Racing - $4.49 - 70% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Marooners - $4.99 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: The Metronomicon: Slay the Dance Floor - $11.99 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Numantia - $11.99 - 60% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: oOo: Ascension - $6.99 - 30% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Overcooked - $4.25 - 75% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Pang Adventures - $4.99 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Pool Nation FX - $2.70 - 70% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Riddled Corpses Ex - $8.03 - 33% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Riftstar Raiders - $11.99 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Rocket Wars - $3.99 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Snooker Nation Championship Game Preview - $1.80 - 70% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Speedrunners - $4.99 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Squid Hero for Kinect - $5.99 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Stikbold! A Dodgeball Adventure - $5.00 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Super Blackjack Battle II Turbo Edition - $4.79 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Super Mega Baseball: Extra Innings - $5.00 - 75% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Super Toy Cars - $5.00 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Treadnauts - $7.49 - 25% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Tricky Towers - $5.99 - 60% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Ultimate Chicken Horse - $8.99 - 40% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Use Your Words - $7.49 - 50% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Wand Wars - $3.59 - 70% off - Price History
[*]:xb1: Wheelspin Frenzy - $4.99 - 50% off - Price History
Spotlight - 11/27 - 12/3


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Misc Drops


[*]:360: :xb1: Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning

[*]:360: :xb1: Epic Mickey 2: The Power Of Two - $6.59 - 67% off - Price History
[*]:360: :xb1: Crackdown - Free - Price History
[*]:xb1: The Shapeshifting Detective - $10.39 - 20% off - Price History - Preorder - Releases Nov 6
[*]:360: Battlefield Hardline Premium - $5.99 - 88% off - Price History
[*]:360: :xb1: Brütal Legend

[*]:xb1: Call Of Cthulhu - $53.99 - 10% off - Price History - Preorder - Releases Oct 29
[*]:360: :xb1: Gears of War 2 - Permanent Drops

[*]:360: :xb1: Gears of War 3 - Permanent Drops

[*]:360:  :xb1: Halo: Reach - Noble Map Pack - Free

 
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I tried playing Rise of the Tomb Raider (digital copy) last for the first time since getting my X, to see what glorious 4k looks like in it and the game will not launch after the initial ROTR screen shows up with Lara.  After the initial screen, the screen just goes black and doesn't do anything until I hit the home button to force close the game.  I know ROTR is part of Game Pass, but I've never had game pass, so I don't know why all of a sudden the game won't work and I'm not sure that MS will give me a refund since I bought the game back at launch. 

 
I haven't started yet. I try to play games that take up more hd space nowadays. im like do I play if its fun? Nope start the one that's is taking up 98 GBs.

 
PatFortenbaugh said:
Thats blows they have been working fine for me BC and all. I would be pissssssssssssssed if some of the ones I got didn't count

Maybe TA just hates you, because they are jealous you post here and not there :shock:

If you have Iphone the solitaire game on there has acheivements and most of them are quite easy.

You're not missing anything. I laughed out loud a couple times last night. It's gotten so silly. Simon and Dwight are terrible actors.
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I only see one Solitaire game on iOS, and it shares achievements with Win10, WinPhone and Android. I already play that in Win10 and am 2 achievements shy of completing it, 18/100 Spider games and 15/100 Pyramid boards. Still play the events there every now and again. Finished 73rd out of 368,944 players worldwide in the Freecell event last week.

Currently actively working at Win10 Mahjong and the Japanese version of Sudoku. Occasionally work at some of the other casual PC games (Jigsaw, Taptiles) for the monthly challenges.

Still watch Walking Dead regularly. Enjoyed last night episode.

Dave4282 said:
I tried playing Rise of the Tomb Raider (digital copy) last for the first time since getting my X, to see what glorious 4k looks like in it and the game will not launch after the initial ROTR screen shows up with Lara. After the initial screen, the screen just goes black and doesn't do anything until I hit the home button to force close the game. I know ROTR is part of Game Pass, but I've never had game pass, so I don't know why all of a sudden the game won't work and I'm not sure that MS will give me a refund since I bought the game back at launch.
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Turn off the Nude Raider cheat code. :razz:

 
Cage017 said:
I predict someone is getting Superhot for Date Night.
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I have been playing Dragonball Xenoverse and sometimes when I turn my Xbox on and go to the game it says -

Sign-in information has changed so game cannot continue. Returning to title.

This takes me back to the main start screen of the game. Anybody know why this happens?

 
At the rate I finish games, I sure hope they have Xbox Ones at my retirement home....
 
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Bloomy said:
I don't think anything can be done because they aren't time stamped in the Xbox ecosystem. Just going to have to unlock more. Will check to make sure they're time stamped on the web site before moving on to the next, though.
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The past few days unlocking achievements was a bit wonky...they just didn't pop...only if you restarted the game/got to the achievement page...as for the Borhtday Challenge on TA I finished mine on monday and already got that 1 Month TA Pro Account.....I did donate in the past, but since it became a subscription feature I stopped doing that.

Also started and finished #IDARB tonight, hardest thing was to find other players online for that stun achievement but managend to stomp some people online lol. Will keep me in the GTASC challenge furhtermore I guess...

 
:xb1: Battlefield 1 & Titanfall 2 Ultimate Bundle - $32.00 - 60% off - $40.00 - 50% off
:xb1: Battlefield 1 Revolution - $19.80 - 67% off - $24.00 - 60% off
:xb1: DYING : Reborn - $13.99 - 30% off
:xb1: Dragon Age: Inquisition - Game of the Year Edition - $10.00 - 75% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS NHL 18 - $18.00 - 70% off - $24.00 - 60% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS NHL 18 Young Stars Deluxe Edition - $30.00 - 70% off - $40.00 - 60% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS NHL 18 Young Stars Edition - $24.00 - 70% off - $32.00 - 60% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS UFC 3 - $38.99 - 35% off - $44.99 - 25% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS UFC 3 Deluxe Edition - $47.99 - 40% off - $55.99 - 30% off
:xb1: FIFA 18 - $19.80 - 67% off - $24.00 - 60% off
:xb1: FIFA 18 ICON Edition - $50.00 - 50% off - $59.99 - 40% off
:xb1: FIFA 18 Ronaldo Edition - $32.00 - 60% off - $40.00 - 50% off
:xb1: Fe - $14.99 - 25% off - $16.59 - 17% off
:xb1: GTAV, Starter Pack and Great White Shark Card Bundle - $71.99 - 40% off
:xb1: GTAV, Starter Pack and Megalodon Shark Card Bundle - $100.00 - 50% off
:xb1: GTAV, Starter Pack and Whale Shark Card Bundle - $89.99 - 40% off
:xb1: Goliath - $10.49 - 30% off
:xb1: Grand Theft Auto V - $30.00 - 50% off
:xb1: Grand Theft Auto V & Great White Shark Cash Card - $51.99 - 35% off
:xb1: Grand Theft Auto V and Criminal Enterprise Starter Pack Bundle - $59.99 - 40% off
:xb1: Horse Racing 2016 - $1.95 - 85% off
:xb1: Hunter's Legacy - $2.80 - 60% off
:xb1: Mirror's Edge Catalyst - $5.00 - 75% off
:xb1: Mordheim: City of the Damned - $10.00 - 75% off
:xb1: Mr. Pumpkin Adventure - $2.79 - 30% off
:xb1: Octahedron - $9.74 - 25% off
:xb1: Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare 2 - $8.00 - 60% off
:xb1: Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare 2: Deluxe Edition - $8.25 - 67% off
:xb1: STAR WARS Battlefront II - $24.00 - 60% off - $30.00 - 50% off
:xb1: Serial Cleaner - $7.50 - 50% off
:xb1: The Surge - $20.00 - 60% off
:xb1: The Surge: Complete Edition - $35.00 - 50% off
:xb1: The Technomancer - $10.00 - 75% off
:xb1: Titanfall 2: Ultimate Edition - $6.00 - 85% off - $10.00 - 75% off
:xb1: Zoo Tycoon: Ultimate Animal Collection - $19.49 - 35% off
 
Bloomy said:
:xb1: Battlefield 1 & Titanfall 2 Ultimate Bundle - $32.00 - 60% off - $40.00 - 50% off
:xb1: Battlefield 1 Revolution - $19.80 - 67% off - $24.00 - 60% off
:xb1: DYING : Reborn - $13.99 - 30% off
:xb1: Dragon Age: Inquisition - Game of the Year Edition - $10.00 - 75% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS NHL 18 - $18.00 - 70% off - $24.00 - 60% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS NHL 18 Young Stars Deluxe Edition - $30.00 - 70% off - $40.00 - 60% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS NHL 18 Young Stars Edition - $24.00 - 70% off - $32.00 - 60% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS UFC 3 - $38.99 - 35% off - $44.99 - 25% off
:xb1: EA SPORTS UFC 3 Deluxe Edition - $47.99 - 40% off - $55.99 - 30% off
:xb1: FIFA 18 - $19.80 - 67% off - $24.00 - 60% off
:xb1: FIFA 18 ICON Edition - $50.00 - 50% off - $59.99 - 40% off
:xb1: FIFA 18 Ronaldo Edition - $32.00 - 60% off - $40.00 - 50% off
:xb1: Fe - $14.99 - 25% off - $16.59 - 17% off
:xb1: GTAV, Starter Pack and Great White Shark Card Bundle - $71.99 - 40% off
:xb1: GTAV, Starter Pack and Megalodon Shark Card Bundle - $100.00 - 50% off
:xb1: GTAV, Starter Pack and Whale Shark Card Bundle - $89.99 - 40% off
:xb1: Goliath - $10.49 - 30% off
:xb1: Grand Theft Auto V - $30.00 - 50% off
:xb1: Grand Theft Auto V & Great White Shark Cash Card - $51.99 - 35% off
:xb1: Grand Theft Auto V and Criminal Enterprise Starter Pack Bundle - $59.99 - 40% off
:xb1: Horse Racing 2016 - $1.95 - 85% off
:xb1: Hunter's Legacy - $2.80 - 60% off
:xb1: Mirror's Edge Catalyst - $5.00 - 75% off
:xb1: Mordheim: City of the Damned - $10.00 - 75% off
:xb1: Mr. Pumpkin Adventure - $2.79 - 30% off
:xb1: Octahedron - $9.74 - 25% off
:xb1: Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare 2 - $8.00 - 60% off
:xb1: Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare 2: Deluxe Edition - $8.25 - 67% off
:xb1: STAR WARS Battlefront II - $24.00 - 60% off - $30.00 - 50% off
:xb1: Serial Cleaner - $7.50 - 50% off
:xb1: The Surge - $20.00 - 60% off
:xb1: The Surge: Complete Edition - $35.00 - 50% off
:xb1: The Technomancer - $10.00 - 75% off
:xb1: Titanfall 2: Ultimate Edition - $6.00 - 85% off - $10.00 - 75% off
:xb1: Zoo Tycoon: Ultimate Animal Collection - $19.49 - 35% off
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Like for Bloomy! Dislike for craooy deals! Really? Didn't we just get an EA sale?

 
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I know it’s EA so they’re not really good at math and stuff but why would anyone buy the Battlefield-Titanfall bundle for $32+ when separate it’s $25 for both?
 
I should know better, but I'm tempted to get GTA V. The XBox One is the only system I haven't owned it on. Sometimes you just want to embrace the darkness in your soul.

Part of me wants to play FIFA. Part of me wants to finish Battlefield One. All of me hates giving EA money.

Probably just going to sit on my credit for another week.
 
Man... Really thinking about Wolfenstein 2 at $30 since this week’s deals suck.

Then again, I was looking through my games and forgot o bought NBA Live and Need For Speed when they were cheap and I’ve never even booted them up.
 
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