XBLA - Castlevania: Symphony Of The Night - 800pts

[quote name='Kawnhr']The PSP is not better than the PS2. There's just no way.[/QUOTE]

I said it's probably better than the PS2 or 1 was at the same point in it's cycle. How is there "no way" of that?
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']I said it's probably better than the PS2 or 1 was at the same point in it's cycle. How is there "no way" of that?[/QUOTE]

Well... because most of the good games were ported from the PS1 or PS2.
 
[quote name='Kawnhr']The PSP is not better than the PS2. There's just no way.[/QUOTE]

If we ngo by just the system itself, then yes, a 1.5 PSP >>> PS2.

If we're not talking illegal emulation here, than hell no, the PSP doesn't come within a billion mile radius to the awesomeness of PS2 / PS1 using any sort of logic at all.
 
It's absolutely ignorant to say that the PSP is a better system than the PS1/2 at this time in it's life. The vast majority of titles for the system have been ports or compliations, which are made attractive by portability. Remove the PS1/2 software library ports and classic compilations from the comparison, and you begin to understand why the PSP is doing so poorly.

As for the D-Pad arguement, I don't really worry because I have a MadCatz pad with an excellent D-Pad which I use for arcade games. $5 wal-mart purchase was worth it.

Since when were people so damn anal about DRM and online purchases? I had no idea people were so neurotic about these things. You can play XBLA games offline. They are convenient, fun, and completely worthwhile means to distribute original, smaller titles at a reasonable price.

Many of the original XBLA games would never have seen the exposure or sales they have if it was required to be placed on a disc to be made for 360. Would you pay $40 for lumines? How about $30 for geometry wars? Maybe another $30 for Assault Heroes? Thats what they would likely be priced at if they had to go through physical distribution, if they existed at all.

Here's hoping konami gets good sales from SotN and does more XBLA releases, especially Rondo Of Blood.
 
[quote name='jer7583']It's absolutely ignorant to say that the PSP is a better system than the PS1/2 at this time in it's life. The vast majority of titles for the system have been ports or compliations, which are made attractive by portability. Remove the PS1/2 software library ports and classic compilations from the comparison, and you begin to understand why the PSP is doing so poorly.[/quote]

The PS2's library was pretty pathetic at first, just like most systems.. Having games on the PSP that are available on other platforms doesn't make them bad, and it's far from the entire library.

Since when were people so damn anal about DRM and online purchases? I had no idea people were so neurotic about these things.

Neurotic? It's neurotic to want to own something you've paid for and play it whenever you want on whatever hardware you want? You're getting taken for a ride.

You can play XBLA games offline.

Only on the system they were downloaded on to. If you have to switch systems (or want to because a better model is out-which is already happening just with better DVD-ROM drives) you have to be connected to live. And then of course the service has to be running, etc., and it's not a sure thing there will be a live service 10, 15 years from now.

They are convenient, fun, and completely worthwhile means to distribute original, smaller titles at a reasonable price.

So would using a more fair DRM model like Apple has. So would selling cheap CDs or DVDs on a web site for budget games they don't think will sell well.
 
I guess the Rondo on PSP thing gives me at least a tiny glimmer of hope that we'll later see it on a platform that has an install base of more than 200. Not getting my hopes up though, XBLA is not exactly know for being a "fanservice-heavy" product.


It's neurotic to want to own something you've paid for and play it whenever you want on whatever hardware you want?

Yes, if the limitations are made clear ahead of time, which they are. Whining about the rules after you've already agreed to them is childish and stupid. Don't like them, don't buy them. If you don't want to be "taken for a ride," don't get in the car.
 
I guess the Rondo on PSP thing gives me at least a tiny glimmer of hope that we'll later see it on a platform that has an install base of more than 200. Not getting my hopes up though, XBLA is not exactly know for being a "fanservice-heavy" product.


It's neurotic to want to own something you've paid for and play it whenever you want on whatever hardware you want?

The limitations of the games you download are made clear ahead of time. Whining about the rules after you've already agreed to them is childish and stupid. If you don't want to be "taken for a ride," don't get in the car. There's no child-molesting stranger forcing you to. I'm a big boy, I can make my own decisions. I have no problem with not being able to play it on "whatever I want," so I don't see a problem with it.
 
I don't understand the problem with Online Purchases, as long as you feel you've gotten your money's worth. The 300+ matches of UMK3 and 100+ of SF2T I've played, not to mention the time on Geometry Wars, Lumines, and Doom certainly make me feel like it was worth it. (especially considering I've never paid full price for MS points..)
 
I don't think a release date or price has been announced. I'm holding onto a points card i got yesterday until it's announced.
 
[quote name='jer7583']I don't think a release date or price has been announced. I'm holding onto a points card i got yesterday until it's announced.[/QUOTE]
I've had a 1600 points card that I never used with the intentions to get this game.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']The PS2's library was pretty pathetic at first, just like most systems.. Having games on the PSP that are available on other platforms doesn't make them bad, and it's far from the entire library.
[/QUOTE]

The PS2 started out mediocre, with SSX, Tekken Tag Tornament & Madden 01 being the only standout launch titles. The following months were severly lacking, however by summer 01, a strong lineup of games were emerging, including Twisted Metal Black, NBA Street & Gran Turismo 3 to name a few. Then came winter 2001, AKA, the greatest three months in the history of gaming. Xbox & Gamecube debutes sort of contributed (with Halo & Smash Bros Melee), but mostly in part because of the metric ton of awesome games that hit PS2. By the beggining of 2002, PS2 had amassed a library of games that's over 10x better than the entire lifespan of the PSP.

Just noticed that this is all very off topic, so now that you've been shown the errors of your ways, we can jump off that laughable topic.

If I were Konami I would force M$ to release SOTN asap. Don't know how long I can wait, especially now that I have SOTN on my PSP.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']The PS2 started out mediocre, with SSX, Tekken Tag Tornament & Madden 01 being the only standout launch titles. The following months were severly lacking, however by summer 01, a strong lineup of games were emerging, including Twisted Metal Black, NBA Street & Gran Turismo 3 to name a few. Then came winter 2001, AKA, the greatest three months in the history of gaming. Xbox & Gamecube debutes sort of contributed (with Halo & Smash Bros Melee), but mostly in part because of the metric ton of awesome games that hit PS2. By the beggining of 2002, PS2 had amassed a library of games that's over 10x better than the entire lifespan of the PSP.[/quote]

Those all sound really weak to me. Regardless, no one could find serious fault with the PSP unless they're a fanboi.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Those all sound really weak to me. Regardless, no one could find serious fault with the PSP unless they're a fanboi.[/QUOTE]

There's lots of reasons to not want to buy a PSP.

High price (especially factoring in Memory sticks to get homebrew/movies/music) unappealing software library (games are mostly ports, or get ported to PS2)

long load times (when I had one this was a major issue, and IMO a portable should have ZERO load time)

Poor control setup- even if the system can do PS2 ports, who wants to play 3d games with only one analog stick? It can be done, but it hasn't been done well the majority of the time.

The fanboy opinion is to believe that there's nothing wrong with a system.. especially one as questionable as PSP. Even the DS has it's problems, if you don't like nintendo's games. If i didn't like them, I probably wouldn't have a DS either.. And if you don't like the whole touch screen thing, then yeah, the DS won't appeal to you. And also the online system is so backwards, i'll admit that.
 
[quote name='jer7583']There's lots of reasons to not want to buy a PSP.

High price (especially factoring in Memory sticks to get homebrew/movies/music) unappealing software library (games are mostly ports, or get ported to PS2)

long load times (when I had one this was a major issue, and IMO a portable should have ZERO load time)

Poor control setup- even if the system can do PS2 ports, who wants to play 3d games with only one analog stick? It can be done, but it hasn't been done well the majority of the time.

The fanboy opinion is to believe that there's nothing wrong with a system.. especially one as questionable as PSP. Even the DS has it's problems, if you don't like nintendo's games. If i didn't like them, I probably wouldn't have a DS either.. And if you don't like the whole touch screen thing, then yeah, the DS won't appeal to you. And also the online system is so backwards, i'll admit that.[/QUOTE]

There are things that could be improved on the PSP, but that's true of any system. Heck, the 360 has bigger issues that are hopefully getting taken care of (like the noise).
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']There are things that could be improved on the PSP, but that's true of any system. Heck, the 360 has bigger issues that are hopefully getting taken care of (like the noise).[/QUOTE]

System noise, of all things, is more of a concern for you than software library, load times, or price?
 
[quote name='jer7583']System noise, of all things, is more of a concern for you than software library, load times, or price?[/QUOTE]

The PSP's library is large and diverse, load time is only an issue in a handful of games, and the system's pretty cheap for what it is (and half the price of the 360-so I can't see how you could complain about it).
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']The PSP's library is large and diverse, load time is only an issue in a handful of games, and the system's pretty cheap for what it is (and half the price of the 360-so I can't see how you could complain about it).[/QUOTE]

Large and diverse? Come on man. After reading your posts I understand you're quite the fanboy, but you can't say that the PSPs library is diverse. The only reason it's large is because of a shit-ton of ports, which automatically exclues it from being "diverse". I also don't think that it's "pretty cheap for what it is", and that arguing that it's only half the price of the 360 is probably legimately the worst argument I've ever heard. The Xbox 360 offers 10x the quality content, so by my estimations the relative cost of the PSP should be about $40.

I got rid of my PSP for a reason awhile ago (long load times, 90% of the games are garbage, terrible system design that made playing games for a long time totally suck) and I couldn't be happier with the decision. I guarantee you that we'll see that 2.5d Rondo remake on another format sometime down the road, and for now I can play Symphony on a good controller, on my sweet TV in surround sound, instead of staring at some small screen and cramping my hands up.
 
[quote name='jer7583']System noise, of all things, is more of a concern for you than software library, load times, or price?[/QUOTE]

Have you not ever read any of his post's?

No matter what the subject is of the 360, he throws it in there.

"Halo 3 beta? Sounds awesome, BUT OMG THE SYSTEM NOISE RUINS IT FOR ME"

"Castlevania SOTN on XBLA? OMG THE SYSTEM NOISE"

"HD movies are available to download? I CANT HEAR THEM OVER THE SYSTEM NOISE"

"THE 360 SOUNDS LIKE 800 BLENDERS IN MY HOUSE, I CANT HEAR MY GAMES"
 
[quote name='jimfoley16']Large and diverse? Come on man. After reading your posts I understand you're quite the fanboy, but you can't say that the PSPs library is diverse. [/quote]

I'm the fanboy? :lol:

The only reason it's large is because of a shit-ton of ports, which automatically exclues it from being "diverse".

Huh? Some real fanboy logic there. It has a lot of games on it that are on other systems, so it's library isn't diverse? Wow, better give up your 360 and PS2, 'cause they have really lousy libraries!

I also don't think that it's "pretty cheap for what it is", and that arguing that it's only half the price of the 360 is probably legimately the worst argument I've ever heard.

Huh? Why is that a bad argument. The guy claims it's really expensive...$200 for what's basically a portable Playstation 2 isn't expensive.

The Xbox 360 offers 10x the quality content, so by my estimations the relative cost of the PSP should be about $40.

This is complete fanboy logic. Where did you pull up that "10x the quality content" number from? Geez. Would you people just go away? Go start your own thread about how terrible the PSP is if you have to-this isn't even what this thread is about.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Have you not ever read any of his post's?

No matter what the subject is of the 360, he throws it in there.

"Halo 3 beta? Sounds awesome, BUT OMG THE SYSTEM NOISE RUINS IT FOR ME"

"Castlevania SOTN on XBLA? OMG THE SYSTEM NOISE"

"HD movies are available to download? I CANT HEAR THEM OVER THE SYSTEM NOISE"

"THE 360 SOUNDS LIKE 800 BLENDERS IN MY HOUSE, I CANT HEAR MY GAMES"[/QUOTE]

Huh? Are you talking about me? I've never talked about any of those things. The 360 does have a serious noise issue (or did...possibly it's been fixed), but I've never posted anything about any of those issues you list as I don't care about any of them.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']I'm the fanboy? :lol:



Huh? Some real fanboy logic there. It has a lot of games on it that are on other systems, so it's library isn't diverse? Wow, better give up your 360 and PS2, 'cause they have really lousy libraries!



Huh? Why is that a bad argument. The guy claims it's really expensive...$200 for what's basically a portable Playstation 2 isn't expensive.



This is complete fanboy logic. Where did you pull up that "10x the quality content" number from? Geez. Would you people just go away? Go start your own thread about how terrible the PSP is if you have to-this isn't even what this thread is about.[/QUOTE]


What, exactly, am I a fanboy of?

I have a PS2, 360, Gamecube, Wii, DS Lite, and PS3. I recently had a DS Phat and a PSP but got rid of them. I basically have everything, so have no reason to be a fanboy of anything. You, however, are just a fucking idiot.
 
GAWD y'inz are makin' me sick. Shaddup already.

That said, there was some uncertainty a few pages back on whether or not SOTN would play widescreen on XBLA. Some of the photos in the new EGM show the game clearly laid out in a widescreen setup, so it appears that you have the option of "traditional" (with those wacky XBLA borders we all love) or widescreen. Huzzah.
 
XBLA? Nope. Iga's said that the PSP version will feature new audio (he's embarrassed by the original English audio) which may suggest a new translation. He was silent when asked about the Saturn extras though. This was in this month's EGM.
 
I'd imagine the saturn extras would be difficult to add, since they're working with the PSOne version. (for good reason, hearing about the lack of transparency effects on the Saturn edition and such) It'd be nice, but don't hold your breath. I'd also like the game to come out sometime this year, and for less than the price of one points card.

The PSP discussion is over. It doesn't bother me that wolfpup wants to waste his time with the PSP, but I just found his ignorance stunning. Whatever, some people just have lower standards for what they do with their time and money. I think his bias has been shown. Thats the last i'll say on it. Cant wait for SotN for XBLA!
 
[quote name='ummmmmm......']sups guys. anyone have the price for sotn? how many xbla points does it need for download.

thanks[/quote]

Wow, your name fits.

There still hasn't been any word of how many points it will be in case you haven't noticed...
 
[quote name='jer7583']The PSP discussion is over. *something inflammatory about the PSP and those discussing it* Thats the last i'll say on it. Cant wait for SotN for XBLA![/QUOTE]
You don't really know how to end a discussion, do you?
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Those all sound really weak to me. [/QUOTE]

I suggest looking into it further. They may sound weak, but most Video Game titles suck. I suggest playing said games before passing judgement on it.

You're stuck in the present. To you, the PS2 doesn't really exist, the PSP is newer and therfore better.

As for CV; I'm giving M$ until this wed to release SotN. If they do not, I will not buy it. I've emailed them this, but I doubt it'll change their resolve in any way, shape or form.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']most Video Game suck. [/QUOTE]

Kinda condensed it there, but yea, this is how I feel too.

It's OT, but someone (I forgot who, someone famous in the industry) once said there are, at most, only 20 - 25 *unique* (i.e not ports or collections) titles per system that are really worth playing and remembering. I definitely agree with this.
 
[quote name='pete5883']You don't really know how to end a discussion, do you?[/QUOTE]

No kidding...

[quote name='-Never4ever-']
You're stuck in the present. To you, the PS2 doesn't really exist, the PSP is newer and therfore better. [/quote]

Huh? You're not making any sense.

As for CV; I'm giving M$ until this wed to release SotN. If they do not, I will not buy it. I've emailed them this, but I doubt it'll change their resolve in any way, shape or form.

This also makes no sense. You're not buying it unless they release it by an arbitrary date you made up?

[quote name='jimfoley16']What, exactly, am I a fanboy of?

I have a PS2, 360, Gamecube, Wii, DS Lite, and PS3. I recently had a DS Phat and a PSP but got rid of them. I basically have everything, so have no reason to be a fanboy of anything. You, however, are just a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE]

Anyone who can't find games they want to play on a major system is a fanboi, period.

[quote name='jer7583']...
The PSP discussion is over. It doesn't bother me that wolfpup wants to waste his time with the PSP, but I just found his ignorance stunning. [/quote]

Wow. Why, exactly, is my "ignorance stunning"? Is it because I'm not a fanboi and won't cower when you flame a system because it doesn't fit in your world view?

Whatever, some people just have lower standards for what they do with their time and money. I think his bias has been shown. Thats the last i'll say on it. Cant wait for SotN for XBLA!

Wow, yes, I am biased towards games. You got me! :roll:

I'll repeat...you're calling *ME* a fanboy?
 
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[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Well, its the truth...sems like everyone but Wolfpup has stopped bothering with it...[/QUOTE]

Watch out. He may accuse of you being a "fanboi" for disagreeing with his bullshit logic. Thankfully, we've got ignore lists.

But on topic. I think Microsoft is going to give it plenty of advance notice regarding its release. Maybe this week's release will be 3D mini golf (just a guess), but on Thursday the press release for Castlevania will show up.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Well, its the truth...sems like everyone but Wolfpup has stopped bothering with it...[/QUOTE]


yeah, I think I'll be using that pic in the PS3 forums a whole lot. There are a bunch of seperate threads there, but it's all essentially the same conversation. guy X posts something, anything about the PS3, guy Y asks why anyone would want to own it and goes on to bash it, hilarity ensues.


back on topic...doesn't seem like SOTN is coming out this week.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Well, its the truth...sems like everyone but Wolfpup has stopped bothering with it...[/QUOTE]

No, a couple of people said nasty things and then declared in an omniscient voice that they were right so it was over.

[quote name='terribledeli']Watch out. He may accuse of you being a "fanboi" for disagreeing with his bullshit logic. Thankfully, we've got ignore lists.[/quote]

"Bullshit logic" So again you're one of those capable of insulting, but not actually constructing a reply?
 
Wolfpup sure says "you're not making any sense" a lot. He is also partial to "huh?" We even got a "Huh? You're not making any sense" above, which was awesome. I'd make a drinking game out of his posts, but I think I'd be under the table by page 3.

It was a bit odd though, considering there was nothing said that was that difficult to grasp. To wit - the deadline set by Never4Ever wasn't arbitrary based on some random impulse he had, this game has been "coming soon" for a long time now and listed among the titles on a list of games that were to begin coming out in February. I don't necessarily agree with his position of "release it by Wednesday or I'm not buying," but it's very simple to understand what he was saying...and after being shit on by MS in regards to this service for a year now, I don't blame him. I have passed up on a few things I planned on buying for the same reason.

[quote name='Wolfpup']Anyone who can't find games they want to play on a major system is a fanboi, period.[/quote]
Anyone who puts "period" at the end of their statement is insecure in his position and feels the need to overcompensate. In this case, you'd be correct to be insecure since that's a fucking stupid thing to say. Is this the point we're at now? We're not allowed to dislike something without being labeled the equivalent of a biased and ignorant putz? Please. I'm not "loyal" to any company but the ones that give me my money's worth. At this point, the day I spend money to get a PSP or PS3 better be the same day I win the lottery - otherwise it's a total waste of cash for something that offers me nothing I want. I was the same way with the 360 when it came out, but they pulled their ass out of the fire in the first 2-3 months with a solid lineup of stuff (GRAW, Burnout, Fight Night 3, DoA 4, and shortly after that, Oblivion) and impressed me so I picked one up. I'm experiencing "Buyer's Wii-gret" for the same reason I don't want a PS3...there's nothing out for it and not a whole lot coming in the immediate future. The sting is taken out of it somewhat by the fact that I paid a hell of a lot less than I would have for a PS3.

[quote name='Wolfpup']No, a couple of people said nasty things and then declared in an omniscient voice that they were right so it was over.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to saying it's over by writing "period" at the end of your sentence.

Is it because I'm not a fanboi and won't cower when you flame a system because it doesn't fit in your world view?
Yeah, because most people "cower" on message boards. Can't go a day without seeing someone say "Please sir, your words are like a dagger through my face and your spelling out of punctuation marks is like a second dagger through my balls! I submit to your obviously superior knowledge!" You must have a pretty high opinion of yourself to think you're special because you don't flee in terror from the keyboard when someone takes you to task on something. What a brave young man. Er, boy. Pup. Whatever.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']...
It was a bit odd though, considering there was nothing said that was that difficult to grasp. To wit - the deadline set by Never4Ever wasn't arbitrary based on some random impulse he had, this game has been "coming soon" for a long time now and listed among the titles on a list of games that were to begin coming out in February. I don't necessarily agree with his position of "release it by Wednesday or I'm not buying," but it's very simple to understand what he was saying...[/quote]

:roll: Obviously I comprehend the words he's saying. What I don't comprehend is why you wouldn't buy something unless they meet your arbitrary release date.

Anyone who puts "period" at the end of their statement is insecure in his position and feels the need to overcompensate.

:roll: Again with the insults instead of making a point.

"If you can't find games you want to play on a major system, you're either a fanboi or not a gamer". That's a factual statement. If you think you can actually disprove that, try. Insults are childish.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup'] "If you can't find games you want to play on a major system, you're either a fanboi or not a gamer". That's a factual statement. If you think you can actually disprove that, try. Insults are childish.[/QUOTE]


For starters, that is no where near a factual statement. Second, what if the only game I was interested in playing (Ultimate Ghosts -n- Goblins, which I loved) wasn't worth keeping a whole system for? I kept it around long enough to try out Killzone, and that ended up having legitimately some of the worst controls I've ever used in my life so I got rid of the whole system. I found that on the rare occasion that I played my PSP, I was just playing Street Fighter Alpha 3 anyway, which I have on Playstation 1 and via the Alpha Anthology on 2.

So no, that isn't a factual statement, and the PSP is easily the best example of it (Although I know there are some gamers out there who aren't interested in shooters, so therefore aren't interested in a PS3 right now). Very, very few people are satisfied with the PSP's library, and aside from a few gems that some people just may have a personal interest in, it's not really worth keeping around.

Oh, and typing "fanboi" while trying to argue with people is makes you look like an idiot. I'd recommend, if you're trying to sound intelligent (which it seems like you are, no offense) , to get rid of the childish and ridicilous things that you post, like that.

As for now though, that's my final word, so no, I'm not going to quote your retorts and continue arguing. I'm done on the topic, and will now only talk about Castlevania SOTN in this thread.

......Unless you bring my mama into it.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']:roll: Obviously I comprehend the words he's saying. What I don't comprehend is why you wouldn't buy something unless they meet your arbitrary release date.



:roll: Again with the insults instead of making a point.

"If you can't find games you want to play on a major system, you're either a fanboi or not a gamer". That's a factual statement. If you think you can actually disprove that, try. Insults are childish.[/QUOTE]



I forsee.....

a.....

banning....in the near future.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']
Huh? You're not making any sense.
[/QUOTE]

READ. IT. AGAIN. I'm sure it'll come to you, if not, oh well. I'm not wasting one more post on you (aside from this one).

[quote name='Wolfpup']
This also makes no sense. You're not buying it unless they release it by an arbitrary date you made up?[/QUOTE]

I'm sick of waiting for something that's already done. I gave M$ and KoA a message; release SOTN on XBLA on 02/14/2007 or they lose my money. I know it was a fruitless excersise, as either could care less about one persons money, but I needed to remind both that they are at the mercy of us as consumers. In the end, it probably won't amount to anything, but I felt like making a point.

Wolfpup, you're going up on my ignore list, this is the last time I will ever acknowledge your exsistance, so don't bother replying.

As for SOTN; looks like its not coming wed, so I know have no quams about playing it through on my PSP. I'll probably give it another play when they release it with rondo of blood on PSP, but again, it's doubtful I'll pay for it.
 
I really wish they would just get this game the hell out on XBLA! I have 2700 points burning a hole in my virtual MSPoint coin purse.
 
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