Xbox 360 $299 and $399!!!

I love how you guys say you'll wait for the PS3.. when the PS3 will launch at a base price of either $400 or possibly HIGHER. One of the top guys was quoted as saying "it won't be cheap".
 
Here are the two main issues that I am currently contemplating with regards to the price.

1. Am I going to be getting something that is truly worth approximately $500 for me? Right now, I'm thinking that price for just a console and a game is a little ridiculous considering how many good games I could get for that money for current generation games. I'm not sure there is a launch title compelling enough for me to pay $60 for at this point either, which brings me to my next issue.

2. Am I going to be willing to pay $60 for any Xbox 360 games that I want to play for about the first 4-5 months? I know for a fact, that 1 game is not going to last me very long. Well, within the first 4-5 months, there really won't be many options for getting 360 games for less than retail. And for even months after that, used games for this system are going to be in the $40 range. Again, I just don't know if those prices are going to provide me with something that I enjoy that much more than the games that are already available for less than $20.

If I'm having such a difficult time trying to justify an X360 purchase, I can't imagine the general public being that willing to jump on board with Microsoft at this time. I'm a person that spends a lot of money on games and I'm a huge Xbox fan. If I'm not jumping for joy about the 360, it makes me wonder how many people will be come November.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I love how you guys say you'll wait for the PS3.. when the PS3 will launch at a base price of either $400 or possibly HIGHER. One of the top guys was quoted as saying "it won't be cheap".[/QUOTE]

The reason people are waiting for the PS3 is because of the lineup of games. With a PS3, you're guaranteed to get Devil May Cry 4, Final Fantasy XIII, and Metal Gear Solid 4. The 360's lineup is admittedly terrible with Dead or Alive 4 being the only good exclusive at launch and no guarantee that there's much else to play on the system down the road.
 
This isn't a suprise at all. With the way things look right now nothing justifies the price for me. I have plently of games to hold me over for a long time.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Here are the two main issues that I am currently contemplating with regards to the price.

1. Am I going to be getting something that is truly worth approximately $500 for me? Right now, I'm thinking that price for just a console and a game is a little ridiculous considering how many good games I could get for that money for current generation games. I'm not sure there is a launch title compelling enough for me to pay $60 for at this point either, which brings me to my next issue.

2. Am I going to be willing to pay $60 for any Xbox 360 games that I want to play for about the first 4-5 months? I know for a fact, that 1 game is not going to last me very long. Well, within the first 4-5 months, there really won't be many options for getting 360 games for less than retail. And for even months after that, used games for this system are going to be in the $40 range. Again, I just don't know if those prices are going to provide me with something that I enjoy that much more than the games that are already available for less than $20.

If I'm having such a difficult time trying to justify an X360 purchase, I can't imagine the general public being that willing to jump on board with Microsoft at this time. I'm a person that spends a lot of money on games and I'm a huge Xbox fan. If I'm not jumping for joy about the 360, it makes me wonder how many people will be come November.[/QUOTE]


try justifying it to your wife who is going to grad school that costs 500 a month for 2 years...blah.. I don't want to even think about it..
 
I'm not that pissed about $399.

What I am bothered with is the 2 versions. I think they are going to ruin the xbox. Consumers will be confused.

Now most games will not support the hard drive because who wants to make a game that only 60% of the users can play?
 
[quote name='Scorch']I love how you guys say you'll wait for the PS3.. when the PS3 will launch at a base price of either $400 or possibly HIGHER. One of the top guys was quoted as saying "it won't be cheap".[/QUOTE]

That's the thing though. The PS3 doesn't have to be cheaper. It just has to be in the ballpark of the 360's price. Sony already has the lion's share of the home console market. If people are willing to wait until the PS3 comes out, Microsoft has effectively lost almost all of its advantage that it should have achieved by coming to market first. Sony is in the driver's seat. I think they can rightfully say at this point, that the next gen doesn't start until the PS3. Sad but true. I can't believe Microsoft is allowing this to happen.
 
[quote name='Indiana']I'm not that pissed about $399.

What I am bothered with is the 2 versions. I think they are going to ruin the xbox. Consumers will be confused.

Now most games will not support the hard drive because who wants to make a game that only 60% of the users can play?[/QUOTE]


agreed...how many blind consumers will go out buy the 299 version...they will or their kids will get online with it and realize they can't play anyone that has DLC maps or tracks because there is no way for them to download them...
 
[quote name='DJSteel']try justifying it to your wife who is going to grad school that costs 500 a month for 2 years...blah.. I don't want to even think about it..[/QUOTE]

Actually my wife is going to Vet school for 4 years right now, so I feel your pain.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I love how you guys say you'll wait for the PS3.. when the PS3 will launch at a base price of either $400 or possibly HIGHER. One of the top guys was quoted as saying "it won't be cheap".[/QUOTE]

Thats when we say, we'll wait for the Revolution
 
MS just lost whatever momentum they had. Damn. I was hoping they wouldn't pull this shit. I'm just going to wait for the premium to drop to 300 before I buy it.
How can they justify not having a hd when that is one of the main selling points for the current Xbox?
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Actually my wife is going to Vet school for 4 years right now, so I feel your pain.[/QUOTE]

yeah that is why 2007 in september or that christmas will be when I buy a next gen system... IF.. i don't get it for birthday or christmas...
 
[quote name='Scorch']I love how you guys say you'll wait for the PS3.. when the PS3 will launch at a base price of either $400 or possibly HIGHER. One of the top guys was quoted as saying "it won't be cheap".[/QUOTE]

Yes the PS3 may be $499 but if it is more powerful that the 360 then MS will want to drop the price of the only xbox worth buying to $299.

I can see MS getting good sales numbers at Christmas time. Parents will spend $400 or $500 on their kids. But next year I don't see people spending $600 for a PS3, a controller, and a game.
 
My Xbox games just got alot better looking!

I'll be waiting. I've got a GC already I can go out and buy a PS2 plus an assload of cheap games to entertain myself for months.

Like many others said most developers won't even bother to utilize the HD like it could be because of it not being standard. For me there really isn't a "must have" title. Who is the crackhead pricing the wireless internet adapter at $99?
 
[quote name='themather']Don't be stupid. Those are all modifications of an existing product. Of course those will decline in price ... just like CD players, DVD players, HDTV, etc etc.

What we are talking about here is a new product that is more advanced. Something tells me the 360 costs Microsoft more to produce that the regular XBox, hence the price increase.

You don't have to be a baby and resort to name calling just because I don't agree with you. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

Am I paying $399 for a 360? Hell no. But I'm not surprised or angered by the price either.[/QUOTE]

then how come I can buy the latest PC for around the same price as a pentium II when it was first released. I don't see what your logic is. Xbox was released years ago and the technology to produce it cost them more. PS1 and PS2 were both the same price when released but the PS2 blows it out of the water. Xbox and PS1 were also released at the same price point.

Also, I don't think the $399 is really BAD. I just hate the fact that they are offering a cheaper version. This means that the HD will not get used to its full potential. MOST developers don't want to alienate their non-HD gamers so their games will not utilize the HDD to the fullest.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']That's the thing though. The PS3 doesn't have to be cheaper. It just has to be in the ballpark of the 360's price. Sony already has the lion's share of the home console market. If people are willing to wait until the PS3 comes out, Microsoft has effectively lost almost all of its advantage that it should have achieved by coming to market first. Sony is in the driver's seat. I think they can rightfully say at this point, that the next gen doesn't start until the PS3. Sad but true. I can't believe Microsoft is allowing this to happen.[/QUOTE]

Plus, the PS3 has said it'll be backwards compatible all the way back to the PS1 games. We've seen them prove it with the PS2, and I see no reason they'd fuck themselves on the PS3.

Right now, I can easily see this happening, since this seems more and more like a rush to get out first, not a carefully executed plan.

And shipwreck, are you betting on the 360's backwards compatibility for your 400+ games? Even with some of the launch titles from the Xbox, are you thinking that they'd work 100%? I know you're not, and neither am I.

[quote name='TC']My Xbox games just got alot better looking!

I'll be waiting. I've got a GC already I can go out and buy a PS2 plus an assload of cheap games to entertain myself for months.

Like many others said most developers won't even bother to utilize the HD like it could be because of it not being standard. For me there really isn't a "must have" title. Who is the crackhead pricing the wireless internet adapter at $99?[/QUOTE]

The same crackhead that sells their 802.11G wireless bridge for $139.99 list price when it came out.

Their adapter is 802.11B/A/G, and if you've seen the prices for one of those adapters that does all three, they're not that far removed from $100.

D-Link DGL-3240:
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=6603122&search=DGL-3420
D-Link DWL-AG132:
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=8301507&search=DWL-AG132
Linksys WUSB54AG:
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=4773742&search=WUSB54AG
Netgear WGU111:
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=5776201&search=WG111U
 
I say we create a petition, and have like 10,000 people sign it...and then send it to microsoft, and maybe give them a wake up call to how many people they are losing...Maybe that will get them to lower their price
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Boooooooooooooo.

The $299 version comes with a WIRED controller and without a harddrive!? No thanks! If you buy the $299 version, you're gonna need to buy a memory card anyway, so tack on $20 for that.

No sale.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the memory cards cost $40 each.
 
if a xbox360 game utilizes the hard drive, can i just buy the cheaper version and buy my harddrive separately? or does it have to be that specific hard drive that you have to buy from MS?
 
[quote name='Chacrana']The reason people are waiting for the PS3 is because of the lineup of games. With a PS3, you're guaranteed to get Devil May Cry 4, Final Fantasy XIII, and Metal Gear Solid 4. The 360's lineup is admittedly terrible with Dead or Alive 4 being the only good exclusive at launch and no guarantee that there's much else to play on the system down the road.[/QUOTE]

WTF? You compare three titles that won't launch with the PS3 to a launch title with the 360. Have you even read up on your stuff? Saint's Row, Elder Scrolls IV, Halo 3.. "no guarentee that there's much else to play on the system down the road"? Get outta this thread.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']And shipwreck, are you betting on the 360's backwards compatibility for your 400+ games? Even with some of the launch titles from the Xbox, are you thinking that they'd work 100%? I know you're not, and neither am I.[/QUOTE]

I'm very skeptical about the 360's backward compatibilty at this point. Even when I was 100% certain I was getting a 360, I was always planning to still have one of my Xbox's hooked up to play my Xbox games. I don't like the strategy of trying to emulate games on a case by case basis. It just makes me think that there will be certain things you will "have to put up with" to play your Xbox games on the 360.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']I'm very skeptical about the 360's backward compatibilty at this point. Even when I was 100% certain I was getting a 360, I was always planning to still have one of my Xbox's hooked up to play my Xbox games. I don't like the strategy of trying to emulate games on a case by case basis. It just makes me think that there will be certain things you will "have to put up with" to play your Xbox games on the 360.[/QUOTE]

That's why I'm taking the $50 back for my pre-order and probably use it to ship off my Xbox to Microsoft to get them to at least fix it, since I get the occasional drive hunting issue which cleaning sort of has fixed, and it'll be covered for a year.

Takes us into the beginning of September 2006 when their 1 year protection for the repair would run out. Much different position at that point.
 
[quote name='Scorch']I love how you guys say you'll wait for the PS3.. when the PS3 will launch at a base price of either $400 or possibly HIGHER. One of the top guys was quoted as saying "it won't be cheap".[/QUOTE]

PS3 wont be cheap, but if your gonna spend 400 bucks on the launch, might as well wait for the one that comes out later and gaurentees thousands of games that will work on it along with your new games.
 
Thats way gay...Once the PS3 hits the market M$ will totally drop the 299 model and have the 399 model replace it (at the price of 299). I'll wait till the HD becomes standard. 399 for an HD, a remote, and a headset is a little too overpriced. IMO that doesn't warrant a 100 dollar premium.
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55']I say we create a petition, and have like 10,000 people sign it...and then send it to microsoft, and maybe give them a wake up call to how many people they are losing...Maybe that will get them to lower their price[/QUOTE]

Ya like internet petitions ever work on ANYTHING.
 
[quote name='Weedy649']PS3 wont be cheap, but if your gonna spend 400 bucks on the launch, might as well wait for the one that comes out later and gaurentees thousands of games that will work on it along with your new games.[/QUOTE]
$400? Why would you buy 2 Revolutions? ;)
 
[quote name='Indiana']I'm not that pissed about $399.

What I am bothered with is the 2 versions. I think they are going to ruin the xbox. Consumers will be confused.

Now most games will not support the hard drive because who wants to make a game that only 60% of the users can play?[/QUOTE]
Yeah seriously, the worst part is the way they have the systems plans arranged. I want the HD, but I want wired controllers, and I don't need all the XBL stuff. So let's say I buy the Core System for $300, then the HD for $100, or a 'memory unit' for $40. I might as well just buy the version with all the stuff I totally don't need.

Shrike - Couldn't the HD-DVD thing or whatever could be released as an add-on, a la Sega CD/32X/JagCD/NeogeoCD/N64DD/FamicomDD, etc.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING PEOPLE $400 for a system is nothing new, and look at all the shit you get. Let me lay this out for you:

System launches:
Saturn, 1 controller, Virtua Fighter 2: $400
PS1, 1 controller, demo disc: $300
PS2, 1 controller: $300
X360 Core, 1 controller: $300
Xbox 360, 1 wireless controller, 1 headset, 1 ethernet cable, 20GB HD, Remote Control, XBL headset, XBL Silver membership: $400.

What the HELL are you people bitching for?
 
[quote name='swetooth9']if a xbox360 game utilizes the hard drive, can i just buy the cheaper version and buy my harddrive separately?[/QUOTE]

Microsoft has said you'll have to buy their HDD (20GB unit will cost $100), but if you wait a couple of months, it's highly likely that the mod community will figure out a way to use whatever aftermarket HDD you want. As a result, you'll probably want to get the premium system or hold out for the mod community's updates.
 
Well since the HD is gonna retail at $99.99 and a headset is very nice to have, I have no choice but to go with the $399.99 version, and now I'm quite unsure if I want to fork over the cash for it. I think MS made a big mistake going for $399.99, because undoubtedly the PS3 is gonna run $399.99, and they might even be able to go $499.99 and get away with it if the specs are killer.
 
I think the price on this batch of consoles might kill next gen gaming for me. The prices are just getting to high, I understand the reasons for them, but just cannot afford this. I really don't play games anymore, just a total lack of time. Kinda sad, I was a big gamer since I got a NES when I was 5.
 
This is all very entertaining.

Though, couldnt they just sample public opinion and then have J Allard come out and say that those sources were wrong and that there is only one model at one price.

And actually, I do plan on buying 2 revolutions. One to mount into my computer to replace the Gamecube, and one for the living room.
 
[quote name='c']

System launches:
Saturn, 1 controller, Virtua Fighter 2: $400
PS1, 1 controller, demo disc: $300
Dreamcast, 1 controller: $300
PS2, 1 controller: $300
X360 Core, 1 controller: $300
Xbox 360, 1 wireless controller, 1 headset, 1 ethernet cable, 20GB HD, Remote Control, XBL headset, XBL Silver membership: $400.

What the HELL are you people bitching for?[/QUOTE]


The Dreamcast launched at 199.99. And it had online built in.
 
I'd just like to say as a PSP owner I don't feel like I've been ripped off at all by the PSP. Especially considering I got the early firmware and the advtanges that has. ;) I doubt those kinda things will be available on the 360 at launch.
 
[quote name='c']Yeah seriously, the worst part is the way they have the systems plans arranged. I want the HD, but I want wired controllers, and I don't need all the XBL stuff. So let's say I buy the Core System for $300, then the HD for $100, or a 'memory unit' for $40. I might as well just buy the version with all the stuff I totally don't need.

Shrike - Couldn't the HD-DVD thing or whatever could be released as an add-on, a la Sega CD/32X/JagCD/NeogeoCD/N64DD/FamicomDD, etc.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING PEOPLE $400 for a system is nothing new, and look at all the shit you get. Let me lay this out for you:

System launches:
Saturn, 1 controller, Virtua Fighter 2: $400
PS1, 1 controller, demo disc: $300
Dreamcast, 1 controller: $300
PS2, 1 controller: $300
X360 Core, 1 controller: $300
Xbox 360, 1 wireless controller, 1 headset, 1 ethernet cable, 20GB HD, Remote Control, XBL headset, XBL Silver membership: $400.

What the HELL are you people bitching for?[/QUOTE]
I bought none of those systems at launch...

The overpriced Accesories are what really steams my clams...If the accesories, and Games were cheaper...I'd buy it
 
[quote name='c']Yeah seriously, the worst part is the way they have the systems plans arranged. I want the HD, but I want wired controllers, and I don't need all the XBL stuff. So let's say I buy the Core System for $300, then the HD for $100, or a 'memory unit' for $40. I might as well just buy the version with all the stuff I totally don't need.

Shrike - Couldn't the HD-DVD thing or whatever could be released as an add-on, a la Sega CD/32X/JagCD/NeogeoCD/N64DD/FamicomDD, etc.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING PEOPLE $400 for a system is nothing new, and look at all the shit you get. Let me lay this out for you:

System launches:
Saturn, 1 controller, Virtua Fighter 2: $400
PS1, 1 controller, demo disc: $300
Dreamcast, 1 controller: $300
PS2, 1 controller: $300
X360 Core, 1 controller: $300
Xbox 360, 1 wireless controller, 1 headset, 1 ethernet cable, 20GB HD, Remote Control, XBL headset, XBL Silver membership: $400.

What the HELL are you people bitching for?[/QUOTE]

The Dreamcast was $199 at launch and came with a modem and a demo disc. The Saturn was a failure at $400. The rest of those systems had games that were $10 cheaper than 360 games. The X360 version that everyone will want to buy is considerably more expensive than those other systems.
 
I love how people that made up their mind not to buy a 360 months ago, act like this is the sole reason they aren't buying one.

I also love how people are taking the opportunity to bash 360, promote their favorite console, and add absolutely nothing of substance.


As for the hard drive not being utilized, don't worry too much about it. Developers can still cache things to the hard drive just fine, they just need to be able to not use the hard drive if its not there. I think they'll use it to improve loading times for people that have hard drives.

Also, I forsee some (very few) games requiring a hard drive, such as FFXI and other MMO's. And before people bitch about that, how is this any different than what PS2 did this gen, and what PS3 will surely do in the next gen?
 
[quote name='c']Shrike - Couldn't the HD-DVD thing or whatever could be released as an add-on, a la Sega CD/32X/JagCD/NeogeoCD/N64DD/FamicomDD, etc.
[/QUOTE]

If they made the DVD-ROM drive easy to remove, such as in a laptop-style drive (mine has one push button, then it slides out), then they could make an replacement HD-DVD drive for the DVD drive that's already there. Makes the drive cost more to make, because they have to toss it into some kind of enclosure for ease of use. If I want to make my 4x DVD+RW drive for my laptop into a 8x or faster DVD+/-RW, I just buy a new module for it.

They could make an external USB 2.0 HD-DVD unit for it, though that would look tacky.

MS could make it easy for an upgrade, though I doubt seriously that they would. They'd have a whole userbase of early adopters that would be forced into buying a new unit with HD-DVD.
 
At work, I heard ABC news simply state that the latest 360 would release at $299.99 before Christmas... I danced out of joy (in my head)... I wish they had stated there'd be two versions. :/

Oh, well. I'm getting the $399 one at launch.
 
[quote name='MrMaddness']The Dreamcast launched at 199.99. And it had online built in.[/QUOTE]
Teehee, *edit* (( If it was only $200, why the hell didn't I buy one!? Sigh.. ))

[quote name='Ozzkev55']I bought none of those systems at launch...

The overpriced Accesories are what really steams my clams...If the accesories, and Games were cheaper...I'd buy it[/QUOTE]
Okay, overpriced accessories, I understand.

[quote name='shipwreck']The Dreamcast was $199 at launch and came with a modem and a demo disc. The Saturn was a failure at $400. The rest of those systems had games that were $10 cheaper than 360 games. The X360 version that everyone will want to buy is considerably more expensive than those other systems.[/QUOTE]
Still, this news shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone, ya know? It is a system launch, after all. Also, has the $60 price point for games even technically been confirmed?
 
I would love for Sony to come out and now say that there base system will ship with a hard drive....

Only for Microsoft to come out and say it too...

Maybe they are just saying this so Sony will come out and be like, look at us we're better, so now Microsoft can just fight back.

Probably just wishful thinking...
 
Ok I wonder how many of these launch systems will be the premium and how many will be the basic. Does anybody here even consider purchasing the basic version? I think the demand for the premium version has just doubled considering there may only be half of the launch systems as "premium" versions.
 
HD support isn't that big of a deal to me, the system's specs im sure can make up for the load times.

And Now that i think about it the $299 version the retailers are going to love it at christmas time. There are going to be tons of parents just saying "well lil Jimmy over here doesnt need all that, he can get it later" and fork out the $299. So
M$ might actually be going for something good. On the flipside no gamer is going to buy the $299 version. So I could actually see it working in their favor. 9/10 of parents don't know what the consoles are, so they will most likely buy the $299 one at xmas.
 
The $400 version without question.

Right now I have $530 Gamerush credit and counting....(with 10 xbox preorders to trade in before then as well)

The only question for me now is whether to open it or not. I will get it, and if the launch is as good as microsoft expects, then demand will outway supply come Christmas. I am sure I can track down some poor sap willing to spend way too much just to buy his spoiled kid a Christmas gift. I love Ebay....

Then buy it again when the Halo 3 Edition w/ HD, Halo 3 and some funky green faceplate is released for $400 during the PS3 launch.
 
If Blu-Ray wins the format war I sure as hell don't want an HD-DVD drive for my 360. This worries me a lot more than the optional hard drive.
 
[quote name='bjschre']I think the price on this batch of consoles might kill next gen gaming for me. The prices are just getting to high, I understand the reasons for them, but just cannot afford this. I really don't play games anymore, just a total lack of time. Kinda sad, I was a big gamer since I got a NES when I was 5.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I have to agree with you. At least there's a ton of games in this generation that I want to get and play through. So when the new consoles come out I'm going to focus on getting all the current generation of games I want to play on the cheap. By the time I'm through playing all of them the prices on the next gen consoles will have gone down.... hopefully.
 
[quote name='extremep']If Blu-Ray wins the format war I sure as hell don't want an HD-DVD drive for my 360. This worries me a lot more than the optional hard drive.[/QUOTE]

I dobut there will be a winner of the HD DVD format wars until long past the launch of the 360. Maybe by the time the PS3 surfaces.

Even if BluRay "wins" it, and ends up replacing HD-DVD as the dominant standard, remove "HD-DVD" and replace it with "BluRay" with my comments earlier in the thread. Same situation applies.
 
I don't really see what the big deal is, the PS3 is going to be even more then the 360. I'm going for the uber package and I don't have any regrets. XBL and Media integration sell me on the 360 compared to the PS3. As someone else said, all these other consoles sold for 300 with just a controller and the 360 sells with all this extra stuff for 400 and you're all complaining. I don't know what you guys expected them to do, they have to make a profit somehow. And I'm sure some of you CAGs can scam around somehow and use pre-order deals to get the extra 100 bucks to put towards your 360, so quit complaining.
 
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