Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

im getting cod ghost for 360 and bf4 for my pc i also agree bf4 just looks amazing and can't wait for that game.

 
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with the 360 launch it was a much have for me seeing most games were only on 360 this gen which i think is the thinking of alot of people i know that are not getting a x1 at launch. Why get a system for a little bump up on game looks and some gameplay when all the games people want to play are coming out for current gen systems. I don't think ms or sony did a great job and making enough games only on next gen systems to justify a upgrade this year for most people.

 
I'm getting Ghosts and BF4 on the PS4 just because I know more people are getting it on that system.

Watchdogs will be a Xbox One title. I can't wait for that game!
 
Mako1215 said:
I'm getting Ghosts and BF4 on the PS4 just because I know more people are getting it on that system.

Watchdogs will be a Xbox One title. I can't wait for that game!
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I'm trying to covince my friends to get one of these next gen consoles, since we are primarly PC gamers.. and they want to get Ghosts and BF4 on PC.

My issue is.. the rampant cheating. Its utterly unbearable. The very reason we do not have Elite for PC is *because* of the cheating, so it's extremely frustrating.

Not sure I could get use to auto aim on a controller rather than a mouse/keyboard, but it might be a fun try honestly.

 
Auto aim can be taken off ;)

Safe to say no cheaters on the consoles for awhile. No FIRE mod controllers. Nome of that. I would get it on PC, but I'm trying to resist a GTX 780.
 
I'm done buying current gen games, other than maybe a couple older things I missed--but I can't really think of any I don't already have on the shelf or on the HDD from PS+.

I won't get CoD as I'm done with that series.  I need to check out BF3 on PS3 as I've never played that series (have it from PS+).  Watchdogs I don't know enough about yet to know if it's something I'd dig.

I've never gotten into online gaming on PS3, so I don't have a group of friends to game with on there anyway, and I ditched my 360 so I'm not tied to current gen console for any online gaming.  Just keeping the PS3 around to clear out some backlog on there since I got it late this gen (Jan 2012) and still have a good bit to get through.  I figure launch game wise I'll just get Killzone, check out Drive Club and the free PS+ indie games and then look more into other games when I'm done with those.

 
Mako1215 said:
Auto aim can be taken off ;)

Safe to say no cheaters on the consoles for awhile. No FIRE mod controllers. Nome of that. I would get it on PC, but I'm trying to resist a GTX 780.
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what gpu you have now? i got a gtx 660 and it will play ghost on pretty much max and bf4 on ultra at abot 60 fps

 
I'm at work and haven't gotten to see the vids yet. Did they announce the player caps in games for either BF4 or Ghost for consoles? Next gen or current gen.
 
WV Matsui said:
Not all journalists still think the PS4 is so far ahead in the power department.

http://www.ign.com/blogs/yodasboy/2013/08/14/xbox-one-vs-ps4-graphics-showdown-the-rematch

"Now, new info has come to light, and I am no longer convinced the PS4 is the more powerful of the two consoles. On the contrary, the playing field is much more level than previously thought, and the Xbox One may even have a slight edge over Sony's machine."
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That's someone's blog post, not a journalist's article.
 
That's someone's blog post, not a journalist's article.



Journalist or not. Still good news and should continue to provide validity to the fact that these both will essentially be the same system.
 
WV Matsui said:
Journalist or not. Still good news and should continue to provide validity to the fact that these both will essentially be the same system.
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It's dangerous to try to equate the two in such a blanket fashion. In terms of processing power I agree that the two aren't going to be that different. There might be an edge, but it isn't going to be nearly as significant as the gap we've seen in previous console cycles.

The significance is going to come in the form of accessibility for developers. Of course, even that aspect is going to be fairly even, thanks to the continuing predominance of middle-ware solutions. Most major and minor developers will be keen on multi-platform engines, all of which will be optimized well for both platforms. They won't be the same system, and that distinction is important. But in terms of performance for most third-party titles, there will be little, if any, difference.

For my part, I found Microsoft's recent interview regarding the size of the XBox One encouraging. I was a little worried that the size of the case was due to a lack of engineering on Microsoft's part, and that the XBox One might not be ready. Explaining that they opted for the larger case specifically to improve the system's cooling was what I needed to hear. Equipping the XBox One with a larger, more energy-efficient fan is a good choice. Having a larger box is a natural consequence of such a decision, but will be worth it in the long run. The advantages of having a larger fan vastly outweigh the cost of the extra space.

I know many hardcore gamers aren't going to want to hear this, but targeting a more casual market might actually work for Microsoft. The current state of the Wii U clearly indicates that a lot of the audience that the Wii managed to capture aren't transitioning directly to Nintendo's new system. It's possible that a large chunk of the "blue-ocean" audience is up for grabs. The PS4's strong focus on the core gaming market makes it a much less likely candidate for picking up that slack. The Kinect has been a proven success with younger audiences and families. It's also a way for fathers to smuggle a "hardcore" gaming system into the house. The Kinect is for the kids, and then dad can play Call of Duty when they go to bed.

 
Why do I feel like we have to constantly push the X1 in its own thread?

It's ridiculous how insecure the PS folks are that they have to hang around the X1 threads.
 
Oh stop acting like a victim. If you want to keep this about the Xbox One then don't bring up the PS4 at all.

When you link an OPINION blog and act like its a new article from an actual journalist, then you should damn well know its going to insight another debate.

 
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Oh stop acting like a victim. If you want to keep this about the Xbox One then don't bring up the PS4 at all.

When you link an OPINION blog and act like its a new article from an actual journalist, then you should damn well know its going to insight another debate.



I don't bring up the PS4 as much as a lot of other folks who sit on this thread just to combat everything that comes in.

This thread should just be in gaming industry news so we can have a thread where we can actually get excited about shit.

That's why I like r/xboxone
 
WV Matsui said:
Why do I feel like we have to constantly push the X1 in its own thread?
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I should think the answer is obvious. Microsoft has done such a poor job of pushing their own platform, it falls to others to spin this the right way.

There was a better, proper way to handle this whole thing. With the right approach, Microsoft could have launched this system with their original plan, without making any major changes or reversals. But they failed pitifully in achieving that. The XBox One could very well have plenty of potential. Microsoft has just done a terrible job of communicating to its primary audience.

 
come on now. Even as a huge xbox fan you have to admit that they were really horrible and clearly getting their message out there which is why they have now had to go back on most of it.,

 
Deader2818 said:
come on now. Even as a huge xbox fan you have to admit that they were really horrible and clearly getting their message out there which is why they have now had to go back on most of it.,
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I disagree. The Internet is just mostly full of bitter assholes. They reacted to it.
 
WV Matsui said:
From June 11 to August 15 I think MS has done a great job!
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A "great job" would not have involved them reversing major decisions that they had already announced and tried to push. Being able to tell everyone that your system is great is good PR. Being able to tell everyone that your system is less bad than it was before is not.

A "great job" would have been if they stuck to their guns, and then started showcasing in very public venues how all of their policies would directly translate into an awesome experience for the end user. A "great job" could also have involved them not making a lot of those bone-headed policies in the first place. As it stands, they've done a less-terrible job after a truly disastrous job. They aren't spinning the message right now, they're trying to clean up the mess.

I'm not saying the XBox One will be bad. It could be great. And with a lot of these policy reversals it will at least probably be better, and certainly less restrictive than it could have been. But that doesn't change the fact that Microsoft has done a piss-poor job on the system's public message and general branding. They're just lucky they have time to make these reversals. If the circumstances had been different, this could have been a real disaster. As it stands, it's just a PR fiasco, and won't necessarily harm the XBox One's chances. If they can bring a solid, appealing console to market this holiday season, all will be forgiven.

 
Deader2818 said:
So you feel the Microsoft was very clear about their vision? They sure had a lot of questions that werent answered till after E3.
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They had a vision prior to the announcement, that much is certain. Then they found out that most of their base abandoned them and suddenly their vision was abandoned. You must give them credit for being responsive to their customer base but IMO the only reason they've changed the anti-consumer policies is because they weren't getting the expected number of pre-orders and wouldn't answer questions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc5q13uM8zo

 
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I'm actually surprised Matsui is still so much in their corner, if I'm not mistaken in the last thread he was very much for their policies because of supposed potential awesomeness and that the negatives didn't affect him and were therefore irrelevant. Then when they pulled the 180 he was massively disappointed, going so far as claiming Nintendo was the only one with the guts to try anything new. Then he goes right back into cheerleader mode.

 
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Richard Kain said:
A "great job" would not have involved them reversing major decisions that they had already announced and tried to push. Being able to tell everyone that your system is great is good PR. Being able to tell everyone that your system is less bad than it was before is not.

A "great job" would have been if they stuck to their guns, and then started showcasing in very public venues how all of their policies would directly translate into an awesome experience for the end user. A "great job" could also have involved them not making a lot of those bone-headed policies in the first place. As it stands, they've done a less-terrible job after a truly disastrous job. They aren't spinning the message right now, they're trying to clean up the mess.

I'm not saying the XBox One will be bad. It could be great. And with a lot of these policy reversals it will at least probably be better, and certainly less restrictive than it could have been. But that doesn't change the fact that Microsoft has done a piss-poor job on the system's public message and general branding. They're just lucky they have time to make these reversals. If the circumstances had been different, this could have been a real disaster. As it stands, it's just a PR fiasco, and won't necessarily harm the XBox One's chances. If they can bring a solid, appealing console to market this holiday season, all will be forgiven.
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This. Im glad they have made all the changes, but like Giant Bomb pointed out, this has NEVER happened on this kind of scale. The number of changes they are making doesnt fill me with confidence about their next system. It really feels more reactionary to try and makeup lost ground in the eyes of the consumer while tossing out this overrall vision of the future that they had.

So while these changes are great on one front, theres something to be said about a company who doesnt have faith that the features of this console would have held up once the console is released.

And part of me wonders if all the changes are really what shrunk the launch date for the countries they announced earlier in the week.
 
Oh now this is interesting... I wonder what Cliffy is working on.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/16/gears-of-war-creator-confirms-images-pertain-to-new-ip/
 
Blaster man said:
I wonder just how bad preorder numbers are for the X1?
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I'm more interested in how many preorders have been changed or will be cancelled for ps4. I've already read alot of people that are happy with the reversals so they changed their ps4 order to X1. There's also alot of people that preordered 2-3 ps4's after e3, because of all the xbox one hate, they plan to resell them and make their ps4 'free'. But if there's gonna be enough supply during launch then all those extra preorders will get cancelled.

After E3, it was more of a 'vote with your wallet' type of deal. People want the Xbox One, they just wanted them to change policies.

Albert tweeted a pic of his setup:

http://i.imgur.com/P1jzFG8.jpg

Obviously the camera makes the kinect lights stand out.

 
It will be interesting to see how sales go for sure.  All we have now is anecdotes.  

You say you've seen lots of people switching from PS4 to X1 after reversals, I haven't seen all that many on the sites I post on or among people I game with.  Definitely more people saying they'll consider one down the line after a price drop now who would have never bought one with the DRM though.  

Most are like me and just made up their mind, put in their PS4 preorder and are keeping it and are still more excited for that console.  A lot already were though before the X1 announcement since non-Kinect exclusives have been so scarce on 360 post Gears 3, so myself and most of those I game with were already playing on PS3 a lot more lately.

But again that's just anecdotal so who knows how the actual sales will go.  Clearly the preorder numbers were very concerning for MS or they wouldn't have reversed so much.  But we have no way of knowing how much preorder numbers have changed after all these reversals.  

My guess would be Sony jumps out of the gate pretty strong due to all this and all the reports that they have more stock available for launch (ESRAM problems slowing down X1 production for a while, reports of stores having much higher PS4 allotments).  So with that the real story will be told in 2014, rather than at launch.  If MS hasn't caught up after Xmas 2014, they probably never will.  Doesn't mean they'll be a failure by any means as I expect US sales will end up pretty close.  Though Sony is going to roll in worldwide sales--they already pulled ahead world wide with PS3, and with MS ignoring the Asian market this go around (no launch there this year or in the first wave of rollouts in 2014) the overseas sales will skew even more to Sony.  Nothing MS could do about that as those markets just don't buy their hardware, nor many western games in general.

I'm excited to see how it pans out.  Following the industry, sales etc. is pretty much as much of my gaming hobby as playing games is since I can do that when stuck bored at work but can't game then. :D

 
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kcobra22 said:
There's also alot of people that preordered 2-3 ps4's after e3, because of all the xbox one hate, they plan to resell them and make their ps4 'free'. But if there's gonna be enough supply during launch then all those extra preorders will get cancelled.
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Anyone hoping to flip a system this holiday season may be in for a rude awakening. I'm seriously doubting that the demand is going to be as high as it has been in the past. Plenty of people got burned last year with Wii U flipping. The same could happen again, especially with two different systems coming out in the same window. (and both coming out at a high price)

A major reason for the rampant demand early-on for the original Wii was the lower overall price for the system. PS3 flipping tanked almost immediately. The demand just wasn't there for a system going for $500-$600 USD. This year we will see two systems coming out at $400 and $500. And that's with another well-stocked system out already that is retailing for $300-$350, and two previous-gen systems in the $200-$300 range. One of the big winners this holiday is going to be Sony's new $200 PS3 bundle.

 
Yeah, I don't expect major shortages of either.  Maybe X1 if they haven't fixed their manufacturing issues and launch stock is limited we could see some decent mark up on eBay.  But from reports that should be fixed, and I don't see people paying inflated prices for either systems since they're $400-500 already and neither really has a killer app at launch as most of the big games are also on 360/PS3.  

Most would just play CoD, BF, ACIV, Watchdogs etc. on current gen tech vs. paying any big prices to a flipper to get a next gen machine if the next gen machines happen to stay sold out for a long time.  Things like Killzone,  Knack, Forza, Ryse etc. aren't worth inflated prices to many people.

 
I stated a long time ago that Microsoft's big mistake was not committing fully to a digital system instead of the half measures they tried to pull. Most of the complaints resulted from the half assed approach and bad explanations. They would still have suffered from ignoring areas without good internet but it would have been better than what did happen.
 
I have a bit of a quandary. I am familiar with advice that would have allowed Microsoft to pull off their original strategy. But this advice advocates the same type of behavior that has lead to some of history's greatest atrocities. Oh well...

The more confident you seem about an action, the more likely it is that other people will go along with it.

Microsoft's greatest PR failing for the XBox One is a pervasive sense of corporate guilt. At every turn everyone from Microsoft behaved in such a way that indicated they were trying to pull a fast one. They almost seemed ashamed of their own product. The recent reversals have only reinforced that feeling. That has been their PR for the past few months.

If Microsoft had really wanted to swing this, they would have marched out on stage and boldly declared that their new system was digital-only, and they were proud of it. They would then have gone on to explain all the restrictions that no one seems keen on, and acted as if it was the greatest thing ever. After the show, when someone asked them about used games, they should have raised a big middle finger and said firmly, " fuck used games!"

When it comes to PR, it's better to seem like you know what you're doing. Enough confidence and assurance can make up for serious product flaws. They were trying to change things up, and they needed a lot more confidence in order to swing that. They were selling a video game console, not eating babies. There are plenty of ways that you can properly spin a video game system.

 
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WV Matsui said:
Used party chat my entire time on 360. That's why I never encountered the kids like you are referencing. But that's an exciting new feature for the PS4...
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Yep. Just like bluray will be a nice feature for the xbox one.

But you don't bash the PS4 or bring it up at all in this thread, right?

 
Yep. Just like bluray will be a nice feature for the xbox one.

But you don't bash the PS4 or bring it up at all in this thread, right?



This was in response to dmaul's wave of PS4 posts yesterday.
 
spatenfloot said:
I stated a long time ago that Microsoft's big mistake was not committing fully to a digital system instead of the half measures they tried to pull. Most of the complaints resulted from the half assed approach and bad explanations. They would still have suffered from ignoring areas without good internet but it would have been better than what did happen.
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Given that MS came out and said IIRC - that the average "high speed" Internet connection is 1.5 megabit in the US - then an only download console would have done really poorly...consider that means that half the country has an Internet connection BELOW that speed.

Richard Kain said:
I have a bit of a quandary. I am familiar with advice that would have allowed Microsoft to pull off their original strategy. But this advice advocates the same type of behavior that has lead to some of history's greatest atrocities. Oh well...

The more confident you seem about an action, the more likely it is that other people will go along with it.

Microsoft's greatest PR failing for the XBox One is a pervasive sense of corporate guilt. At every turn everyone from Microsoft behaved in such a way that indicated they were trying to pull a fast one. They almost seemed ashamed of their own product. The recent reversals have only reinforced that feeling. That has been their PR for the past few months.

If Microsoft had really wanted to swing this, they would have marched out on stage and boldly declared that their new system was digital-only, and they were proud of it. They would then have gone on to explain all the restrictions that no one seems keen on, and acted as if it was the greatest thing ever. After the show, when someone asked them about used games, they should have raised a big middle finger and said firmly, " fuck used games!"

When it comes to PR, it's better to seem like you know what you're doing. Enough confidence and assurance can make up for serious product flaws. They were trying to change things up, and they needed a lot more confidence in order to swing that. They were selling a video game console, not eating babies. There are plenty of ways that you can properly spin a video game system.
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I just don't think they could have sold it no matter how confident they were. People didn't want it. When the rumors were spreading as far back as last year, people on Internet sites such as this one and others, were declaring that they would never buy such a console while being reassured by others that those rumors are surely false.

blueweltall said:
I heard preorder numbers for the Xbox one is way better than it was for the 360. But there is still a gap between it and the other new system that is coming out.
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If rumors are to be believed, they haven't been able to produce as many units as Sony anyway and frankly, I think it's a foregone conclusion that the rumors are true now given that they've rolled back the number of territories they're launching the X1 in. But if they're selling out and see lots of demand on waiting lists then there's no reason to make these changes. I just wonder how many people are pre-ordering it.

 
it's a matter of time till  this topic gets closed also. Just so you ms trolls understand this is a fourm about xbox one is coming and what are you looking forward to NOT a topic about why ms sucks and why xbox one sucks. It's always the same dang people that come here and try to get stuff going for drama SAME PEOPLE. If you don't like xbox one this topic is not for yo uread the dang title of topic. The thing is the same people that come here and start stuff is the same people that attack you if you go in the other big two forums and say something bad then they jump on you about that but it's ok for them to come here and bash xbox one left and right. 

 
pre order numbers show nothing it does not mean that all those pre orders will turn into legit purchases on launch day. We will not know success of xbox one till at least early 2015.

 
I agree with Timbo. I don't understand why we can't have a place to be excited about the X1 and the games that are coming up. Once again our thread is getting ruined.
 
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