Xbox One - General Discussion Thread

RiPPn said:
Do you think it will be all Phil Spencer on stage, or will Yusif and others make appearances?
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well less xbox guys would be better means more games showed. which i think is why they did that big thing about 399.99 and gold changes well before e3.

 
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RiPPn said:
Do you think it will be all Phil Spencer on stage, or will Yusif and others make appearances?
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Hopefully Yusif stays away. I really want it to just people Phil Spencer as he seems to be a really down to earth guy who enjoys gaming. Not to fond of the rest of their employees except Major Nelson but some times he just sounds like such a tool.

 
in other news watch dogs has gone gold  :D/ 3 years in the making since the first info but it's been in game dev for close to six years. For that long of dev time this game better not be let down.

 
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Do retailers get any special news of games ahead of the general press and public? I know it's probably just a wording mistake but I find it interesting the Gamestop page for the Xbox One kinectless bundle mentions "Play Games like Titanfall and Halo" seems odd if it would be mentioning the Xbox 360 version on the Xbox One console page, especially since the Xbox One Kinect page doesn't mention it.

http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/consoles/xbox-one-console-only/115018

(Edit) Also pulled this from a website talking about the Xbox One's servers. So this would make me thing it's also talking about the Xbox One's servers and not the Halo 4's on the 360.

Xbox Live currently runs on 15,000 servers, but it will soon move to a stunning 300,000 servers later this year for the Xbox One launch. That’s a lot of power dedicated to making Xbox Live better.

 
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TimboSliceGB said:
lets hope the 2nd ryse is more then a tech demo
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Wow you are an idiot, you just trolled yourself.

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TimboSliceGB said:
lets hope the 2nd ryse is more then a tech demo
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Probably in that small group that really enjoyed Ryse it remains one of my favorite Xbox One games. I beat it 3 times and have been itching to go play it again, sure it looked gorgeous but I really enjoyed the combat it offered as well, sure the Kinect implementation was annoying but that was the biggest negative I had with it.

Well that and I never got to Coop since I have nobody to play it with.

 
TwistedShade said:
Oh no he has an opinion screw him right? 1 :whee:
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No obviously, a misinformed one yes. The game got the short end of the stick being in development for just the Kinect and then integrated into a controller setup so reviewers absolutely cannibalized it. The fighting combos are there, it's a very atmospheric game, story wise it's also fairly interesting, visually it's also stunning (you want a game to show off what the system can do look no further than Ryse, Forza 5 and DR3). There's a lack of enemy types and the audio cues related with Kinect are laughable but it's a solid combat game with a fun co-op gameplay as well. Yeah Ryse can build off of itself but in no way was it just a tech demo. Feels like you missed the point. Take a look at the Ryse thread on this board, you'll see a lot of others share my sentiment.

 
Spybreak9 said:
No obviously, a misinformed one yes. The game got the short end of the stick being in development for just the Kinect and then integrated into a controller setup so reviewers absolutely cannibalized it. The fighting combos are there, it's a very atmospheric game, story wise it's also fairly interesting, visually it's also stunning (you want a game to show off what the system can do look no further than Ryse, Forza 5 and DR3). There's a lack of enemy types and the audio cues related with Kinect are laughable but it's a solid combat game with a fun co-op gameplay as well. Yeah Ryse can build off of itself but in no way was it just a tech demo. Feels like you missed the point. Take a look at the Ryse thread on this board, you'll see a lot of others share my sentiment.
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No no I already said I thought Ryse was great. That being said that's his opinion of the game and you can't take someone else's opinion and simply say it's "wrong".

 
TwistedShade said:
Probably in that small group that really enjoyed Ryse it remains one of my favorite Xbox One games. I beat it 3 times and have been itching to go play it again, sure it looked gorgeous but I really enjoyed the combat it offered as well, sure the Kinect implementation was annoying but that was the biggest negative I had with it.

Well that and I never got to Coop since I have nobody to play it with.
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Luckily I didn't play at launch and had read elsewhere to disable all the Kinect stuff before playing which I did. I don't know how you guys did more than 1 playthrough though, I was going to go back through and get the chronicles, scrolls and vistas, but I was just to bored to go through it again. Probably wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't a rental and I went back a couple nights later, oh well I won't be hundred percenting it, then again it had multiplayer achievements and I usually skip those anyway.

 
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i played the game all the way to the end i was just giving my opinion it was from nothing i read i played the full game. i agree that the game hurt from first being kinect then turned upside down to a controller game. i do hope for good things with a new ryse when they can just focus on a good game and not kinect only then no kinect.

 
Survival mode in Ryse was excellent and I cant stand online fighting games with all the lag. Ryse online had none and was really enjoyable online. I would like to see something done with the Greeks, but if the rumors are true the sequel will be based on the medieval time period. God of War Ascension was really bad online and was frustrating to say the least. That's the only game I could compare it to.

I just want news on Halo, they have been very quiet about it and they have a lot to announce with Halo 5, anniversary edition and the tv shows. Other than Halo, would like to see Ryse 2 announced, some in game footage from Battlefront and where the Battlefield franchise is going from here. If the rumor is true visceral is working on a police version of battlefield.

I will be watching Sony's conference, but I wont buy one till a new God of War is announced and/or SOCOM, MAG or Twisted Metal games are brought back from the grave.

 
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Speaking of the Xbox One . . .

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/329194-spend-15-on-xbl-get-free-5-xbox-gift-card-multiple-retailers/

*If* Xbox really pushes digital at E3 (which I'm hoping they do!), it's a good time to stock up on that cash in your account!  I had less than a 12 hour response time.  I made sure to highlight all the relevant data on my receipt, which I think helped.

This would be *WAY* out there and is probably not going to happen, but this is what I'd love to see at E3:

The old Sierra series SWAT having a new game being released with Kinect support.  If you haven't played the previous iterations on PC, it was a realistic PC FPS where you played as a SWAT team.  You made tactical decisions like where to enter, your loadout (flash bangs, lethal or non-lethal weapons, etc.), and had to follow police procedures.  Things like announcing "POLICE!  GET DOWN!" and the like.  I could see it being pretty damn awesome with voice commands.  I can't be the only person who really enjoyed GTA5's "yell at the clerk during the robbery" stuff.

(Looks like Irrational Games made SWAT 4, the one I'm thinking of . . . time to start a campaign!)

EDITTED TO ADD TWEET:

https://twitter.com/Fearia/status/466919134194724864

 
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Interesting read from Cnet and can't help but say I agree with the point the writer is making.

Because by unbundling the Kinect from the Xbox One -- a splintering of the peripheral's install base that may kill Kinect's future and, at best, will undoubtedly hamper game development that incorporates motion control -- we're left with two video game consoles that are essentially identical. Granted, the PS4 has a graphical edge, and the Xbox One cable-box functionality, though the former is entirely negligible to the everyday consumer and the latter now jeopardized given the One's reliance on the Kinect's IR blasting functionality to control your television.

After months of adamant defense of the Kinect's role in the Xbox One experience, Microsoft has yet again reversed its stance, bringing full circle a thorough stripping of nearly every interesting element from its console -- it's daring yet poorly handled promise of a disc-less future and digital resale program; its forward-thinking family-sharing plan; the motion and voice-controlled centerpiece of its entertainment vision. That means that the Xbox One and PS4 are not only barely differentiable from each other, but also at their core offer nothing substantially different than what their predecessors did nine years ago.

The central issue lies in the original promise of the Xbox One, the reality of where we are roughly one year later, and what was accomplished in the collective crusade. We did not need two separate consoles that do the exact same things, play pretty much the same games, and stream the same services you get with a $99 Roku. What we needed were real choices that represented not which console you wanted to play Destiny or Watch Dogs or Call of Duty on, but different systems that cater to wider audiences, provide different use cases, look forward, and aren't chained down to the status quo.

Microsoft tried to escape those confines of the console war and it failed, caving to nearly every demand put forth by the gaming audience with a shoulder shrug and a "maybe one day." Now, the Xbox is back to fighting a battle in which everyone loses.
 
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I'm definitely excited for E3. With no new hardware to be announced/promoted it will be all about the games. Both MS and Sony should show a lot big games. Hell, even Nintendo should have a lot to show, hopefully something I want to play on 3DS since I haven't touched mine in months.
 
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TwistedShade said:
Interesting read from Cnet and can't help but say I agree with the point the writer is making.
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Which is fine by me. We've always had largely identical consoles that were differentiated only by some graphical differences, but mainly by exclusives. Other than the Wii last gen anyway.

That puts focus/pressure on first party studios to make a lot of great games to give people a reason to by their console over, or in addition to, the competitors.

Lacking that, multiple consoles are pointless and we'd be better of with a unified platform like PC where games run in different hardware but the same OS and can be bought through different stores. PC gaming shows that still leads to a plethora of third party and indie software.
 
TimboSliceGB said:
lets hope the 2nd ryse is more then a tech demo
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TwistedShade said:
No no I already said I thought Ryse was great. That being said that's his opinion of the game and you can't take someone else's opinion and simply say it's "wrong".
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No I was telling Timbo, calling Ryse just a tech demo is simplistic and absurd. Zelda Hyrule is a tech demo, it's not a game, it's just showing off the tech. Ryse has gameplay mechanics and a story, it's not a tech demo. You can have an opinion but you can also word things wrong.

Typically a second iteration of a gaming series takes into account the good and the bad from the previous title through critic and player feedback, contrary to movies which just repeats the what made them money part, so I have every notion that Ryse 2 is gonna kick ass. Like any new IP, now the developers have the engine, they've created an art style and learned a few lessons along the way.

 
TwistedShade said:
Interesting read from Cnet and can't help but say I agree with the point the writer is making.



Because by unbundling the Kinect from the Xbox One -- a splintering of the peripheral's install base that may kill Kinect's future and, at best, will undoubtedly hamper game development that incorporates motion control -- we're left with two video game consoles that are essentially identical. Granted, the PS4 has a graphical edge, and the Xbox One cable-box functionality, though the former is entirely negligible to the everyday consumer and the latter now jeopardized given the One's reliance on the Kinect's IR blasting functionality to control your television.

After months of adamant defense of the Kinect's role in the Xbox One experience, Microsoft has yet again reversed its stance, bringing full circle a thorough stripping of nearly every interesting element from its console -- it's daring yet poorly handled promise of a disc-less future and digital resale program; its forward-thinking family-sharing plan; the motion and voice-controlled centerpiece of its entertainment vision. That means that the Xbox One and PS4 are not only barely differentiable from each other, but also at their core offer nothing substantially different than what their predecessors did nine years ago.

The central issue lies in the original promise of the Xbox One, the reality of where we are roughly one year later, and what was accomplished in the collective crusade. We did not need two separate consoles that do the exact same things, play pretty much the same games, and stream the same services you get with a $99 Roku. What we needed were real choices that represented not which console you wanted to play Destiny or Watch Dogs or Call of Duty on, but different systems that cater to wider audiences, provide different use cases, look forward, and aren't chained down to the status quo.

Microsoft tried to escape those confines of the console war and it failed, caving to nearly every demand put forth by the gaming audience with a shoulder shrug and a "maybe one day." Now, the Xbox is back to fighting a battle in which everyone loses.
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Lots of truth in the article but the push to innovate is far greater than the market demand for it. Gaming is just a peculiar industry. The core audience is reluctant to change and the masses don't get on board soon enough to make innovation financially viable/rewarding. The Wii drastically changed the industry for better or worse by exposing the big 3 and AAA publishers to a whole new untapped casual market. The financial reward aspect of game creation completely changed as a result of that. One only needs to look at the many games that are deemed failures even after moving millions of copies. The desire to make buku bucks is the driving force behind everything that's done today by the big 3 and AAA publishers. It makes sense since investors demand greater returns.

 
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kill3r7 said:
Lots of truth in the article but the push to innovate is far greater than the market demand for it. Gaming is just a peculiar industry. The core audience is reluctant to change and the masses don't get on board soon enough to make innovation financially viable/rewarding. The Wii drastically changed the industry for better or worse by exposing the big 3 and AAA publishers to a whole new untapped casual market. The financial reward aspect of game creation completely changed as a result of that. One only needs to look at the many games that are deemed failures even after moving millions of copies. The desire to make buku bucks is the driving force behind everything that's done today by the big 3 and AAA publishers. It makes sense since investors demand greater returns.
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History show it all comes down to games really. Stuff like ps2 having DVD can certainly help adoption, but at the end if the day the system with the most great exclusive game wins. And it's not always the most powerful as the ps2 showed. And history shows that gimmicks like motion control tend to be at best short lived, one time successes like the Wii.

Gamers want games and go where the games are. Having both the PS4 and X1 now gimmick-less in term of packed in accessories and both companies doubling down on core gamers is fantastic news. We should get a ton of great first party games as each company tries to give us a reason to by their console instead of/in addition to the other.
 
dmaul1114 said:
History show it all comes down to games really. Stuff like ps2 having DVD can certainly help adoption, but at the end if the day the system with the most great exclusive game wins. And it's not always the most powerful as the ps2 showed. And history shows that gimmicks like motion control tend to be at best short lived, one time successes like the Wii.

Gamers want games and go where the games are. Having both the PS4 and X1 now gimmick-less in term of packed in accessories and both companies doubling down on core gamers is fantastic news. We should get a ton of great first party games as each company tries to give us a reason to by their console instead of/in addition to the other.
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In the case of the PS2, DVD was a huge bonus as DVD players back then were still a newer technology and fairly pricey (~$200 average in 2001). Getting a DVD player and a game console in one for $300 was a fantastic deal, especially one that played DVD's right out of the box. Same with the PS3 - speaking from experience - the Blu-ray player was a huge selling point for me as standalone players were still pricey a few years back.

This generation, however, Blu-ray players can be found for cheap (sub-$50), so the only real bonus is having your media players consolidated into a single unit. That puts more emphasis on game line-up and exclusives.

 
Eh. So far we have what? Far Cry 4, Batman, Smash and Sunset Overdrive confirmed? I don't count the yearly stuff since you know its coming.

What else are you excited for right now across all consoles?

 
im excited to see how they handle a.c series getting two diff games in one year. i will admit im exicted to see what sledge hammer does with cod series seeing it's their first true cod game. im a wwe fan so first wwe game on next gen im excited for. I think e3 we will be getting a ton of fall dates set.

 
sp00ge said:
In the case of the PS2, DVD was a huge bonus as DVD players back then were still a newer technology and fairly pricey (~$200 average in 2001). Getting a DVD player and a game console in one for $300 was a fantastic deal, especially one that played DVD's right out of the box. Same with the PS3 - speaking from experience - the Blu-ray player was a huge selling point for me as standalone players were still pricey a few years back.

This generation, however, Blu-ray players can be found for cheap (sub-$50), so the only real bonus is having your media players consolidated into a single unit. That puts more emphasis on game line-up and exclusives.
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Both definitely helped the sales of those systems. Both were moot for me as I had a stand alone DVD player and bluray player well before getting either console since movies are my top hobby. With bluray I had a 360 first and got a standalone Sony bluray player for $150 on Black Froday in 2008. I didn't have an HDTV until summer 2008 so that feature in the ps3 was moot for me the first couple years when it was among the cheapest bluray options and drove the cost up too much and helped push me to 360.

But yes, it's nice to have a generation that will be focused on the games. I was worried that wouldn't be the case with the X1 reveal being so focused in Kinect and the TV features. I'm glad Sony opted to double down on core gamers and that proved successful and now has MS doing the same. Great news for us serious gamers as it's shaping up to be an awesome generation with some of the best first party games in history.
 
Deader2818 said:
Eh. So far we have what? Far Cry 4, Batman, Smash and Sunset Overdrive confirmed? I don't count the yearly stuff since you know its coming.

What else are you excited for right now across all consoles?
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Destiny. The Order. Batman. Dragon Age Inquisition. AC. Probably some 3DS, Vita and indie games announced at E3. Etc.

Far more coming out than I'll have time to play this fall.
 
With my current back-log, it's hard to be enthusiastic about upcoming game releases. Last holiday shopping season was a little too good. I was able to stock up on all manner of low-cost high-quality titles.

But then, this has been an ongoing trend with me, and doesn't really have anything to do with the new consoles.

Hopefully E3 will have some exciting news. I'm not expecting much from the major publishers. But last year's push by Sony to include indie developers has me excited. I'm hoping that all three major platform holders will showcase the indie offerings for their systems at this year's E3. There's a lot more interesting experimental development in that space.

 
Speaking of indies, has anyone tried Super Time Force yet?  I'm still debating getting it, if it was $10 it would be a no-brainer. 

 
Games like Far Cry get lost in the shuffle of E3 where the focus is in heavy hitters like Halo, Uncharted, Zelda etc. so leaks of second tier and lower games leading up to the show has long been common.
 
dmaul1114 said:
Games like Far Cry get lost in the shuffle of E3 where the focus is in heavy hitters like Halo, Uncharted, Zelda etc. so leaks of second tier and lower games leading up to the show has long been common.
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I would actually rank Far Cry right alongside those other franchises. It may not be quite as large, but Far Cry 3 sold 9 million copies. I'd say that's enough to qualify it as a "mainstream" title.

The announcement of the sequel doesn't really excite me because of how obvious it is. I think there's more confidence in the series than ever before. It's just not going to surprise anyone as much.

 
I was meaning even second tier mainstream titles get lost behind the heavier hitters and major surprised.

But I admittedly didn't know Far Cry sold anywhere near that much. And that's why the X1 has a great chance to catch up in the US now that it's price equivalent. 'Murica loves it's shooters, and military shooters especially. It's still viewed as the console for those games and a lot of that crowd will snap up an X1 as more of those games come out, along with exclusives like Halo, as they're used to playing them on 360 with their friends.
 
sp00ge said:
In the case of the PS2, DVD was a huge bonus as DVD players back then were still a newer technology and fairly pricey (~$200 average in 2001). Getting a DVD player and a game console in one for $300 was a fantastic deal, especially one that played DVD's right out of the box. Same with the PS3 - speaking from experience - the Blu-ray player was a huge selling point for me as standalone players were still pricey a few years back.

This generation, however, Blu-ray players can be found for cheap (sub-$50), so the only real bonus is having your media players consolidated into a single unit. That puts more emphasis on game line-up and exclusives.
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Yeah haha I modded the original Xbox to play DVDs without having to go out and buy a remote. I also put SNES & N64 emulators on that bad boy, hehe, it was part of my college rebel-against-the-man phase I guess. A little soldering was all that needed to be done, luckily my bro was a mechanical engineer and knew how to solder.

Yeah speaking of Blu-ray that was a big incentive to pick up the Xbox One. I have a Blu-ray drive on my laptop, one of the incentives to picking that up, and I'd hook up my laptop to my TV via HDMI cable which worked great. Then they started encrypting Blu-ray movies to not work on my computer and finally the ol' connection kicked it. Bought a Chromecast about a month ago (coupled with 3rd party Chrome add-on Videostream) and that works perfectly.

 
dmaul1114 said:
Games like Far Cry get lost in the shuffle of E3 where the focus is in heavy hitters like Halo, Uncharted, Zelda etc. so leaks of second tier and lower games leading up to the show has long been common.
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Hah, nope Ubisoft games do not get lost in the shuffle of E3, in-fact they're often the topic of water cooler discussions. It was leaked a while ago when someone flying next to a dude from Ubisoft got word that they were making Farcry 4 in the Himalayan Mountains with War Elephants.

RiPPn said:
Speaking of indies, has anyone tried Super Time Force yet? I'm still debating getting it, if it was $10 it would be a no-brainer.
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Yes!, check out the STF thread, I was hesitant at first but after watching their stream, seeing the love and care they put into that game I thought of it like this, buying the game for $10 and then a $5 donation to the developers lol. It's quality.

 
Spybreak9 said:
Hah, nope Ubisoft games do not get lost in the shuffle of E3, in-fact they're often the topic of water cooler discussions. It was leaked a while ago when someone flying next to a dude from Ubisoft got word that they were making Farcry 4 in the Himalayan Mountains with War Elephants.
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I just didn't realize Far Cry was so big since I hate military shooters. I figured it wood have been a game that got lost even in the Ubisoft displays behind Assassin's Creed etc.
 
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=819775

April NPD data is rolling out. As expected giving the Kinect ditching etc, all bad news for x1.

Sold 115,000, lower than the 360 sold in any Aprill (other than this one). Only PS4 info so far is that it was almost double that. Bigger news there was that Infamous was the best selling next gen game, despite not being in the top ten. Titanfall was number 1 overall (combined 360 and x1 sales), so it must have sold vey well in 360. Seems MS needs to work in getting 360 fans to upgrade. The new sku should help, but maybe not until the big fall games hit.
 
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Deader2818 said:
Titanfall is 360, X1 and PC so 3 different skus compared to just one.
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PC version is negligible in NPD figures since those only count retail sales and not digital ones as Steam and the console online stores don't give them sales data. Since most PC games are bought digitally there aren't many that end up cited by NPD.
 
dmaul1114 said:
Games like Far Cry get lost in the shuffle of E3 where the focus is in heavy hitters like Halo, Uncharted, Zelda etc. so leaks of second tier and lower games leading up to the show has long been common.
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I remember Far Cry 3 being the talk of at least two E3s with that first reveal trailer featuring Vaas and the second when they had an actual demo showing more Vaas craziness. Ubisoft has their own press conference at E3, so it's not like there wouldn't be at least one place where it would be a big focus.

 
FriskyTanuki said:
I remember Far Cry 3 being the talk of at least two E3s with that first reveal trailer featuring Vaas and the second when they had an actual demo showing more Vaas craziness. Ubisoft has their own press conference at E3, so it's not like there wouldn't be at least one place where it would be a big focus.
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Like I said, I didn't realize it was that big and figured it would get lost behind the two new AC games at Ubisoft's event.
 
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