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#31 Confucius   Corporate Shill CAGiversary!   16481 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 11 September 2020 - 02:39 PM

I wonder how much storage space it will actually have though ... NES roms are insanely small, so it’s possible Nintendo could sell this with something like 32 mb of space, which would severely limit its mod potential.


What chip maker is making 32mb of ram?

#32 etcrane   A Damn Fine Cup of Coffee CAGiversary!   5691 Posts   Joined 17.3 Years Ago  

Posted 11 September 2020 - 02:43 PM

What chip maker is making 32mb of rom?


I’m not speaking with specific hardware in mind, but with 2-3 roms in this unit, their overhead costs could be incredibly low for storage. My point is there’s no reason to expect this would have a few gigs of space, given what the system is.

#33 Confucius   Corporate Shill CAGiversary!   16481 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 11 September 2020 - 03:41 PM

I’m not speaking with specific hardware in mind, but with 2-3 roms in this unit, their overhead costs could be incredibly low for storage. My point is there’s no reason to expect this would have a few gigs of space, given what the system is.

What I’m saying is that it’s prob be harder to make a product with limited memory as most memory these days are produced at the gig level. Not based on any first hand knowledge. I’m just saying when was the last time you saw a new product with less than a gig.

So if it can be hackable, there will be plenty of onboard memory.

#34 walletandgromice   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1227 Posts   Joined 13.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 September 2020 - 04:26 PM

What I’m saying is that it’s prob be harder to make a product with limited memory as most memory these days are produced at the gig level. Not based on any first hand knowledge. I’m just saying when was the last time you saw a new product with less than a gig.

So if it can be hackable, there will be plenty of onboard memory.


I bought my son a fleet of mini arcade games made by a company called Basic Fun.

Each has an NES system on a chip that runs exactly one game which is stored on a 512Mb ROM that cannot be re-flashed without connecting the chip to a ROM burner.

I think it would be harder for this system, which also has a persistent clock and the ability to quit and launch other games, to be written entirely in 6502. The question is will they actually connect the data wires to the USB-C port? Maybe? I guess it depends if they need to be able to re/flash them for service/repair...

#35 Confucius   Corporate Shill CAGiversary!   16481 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 11 September 2020 - 04:47 PM

I bought my son a fleet of mini arcade games made by a company called Basic Fun.

Each has an NES system on a chip that runs exactly one game which is stored on a 512Mb ROM that cannot be re-flashed without connecting the chip to a ROM burner.

I think it would be harder for this system, which also has a persistent clock and the ability to quit and launch other games, to be written entirely in 6502. The question is will they actually connect the data wires to the USB-C port? Maybe? I guess it depends if they need to be able to re/flash them for service/repair...

That’s an interesting point about repairs. Hadn’t thought of that. Nintendo is so paranoid of their old IP being stolen I could see them going overboard to lock everything down unlike ps classic whIch was like “Fuck it hack it if you want. We made is super easy.”

#36 w00dm4n   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   353 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 11 September 2020 - 06:14 PM

I pre-ordered it on amazon.uk

I see the Mario Kart sets are up too.

$222 :/ Hmmm



#37 briandadude   Vita + Xbox + Switch CAGiversary!   1039 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 September 2020 - 06:19 PM

Amazon UK now says,
“This item cannot be shipped to your selected delivery location. Please choose a different delivery location.“

#38 Sk   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   940 Posts   Joined 16.4 Years Ago  

Posted 11 September 2020 - 09:46 PM

I wonder how much storage space it will actually have though ... NES roms are insanely small, so it’s possible Nintendo could sell this with something like 32 mb of space, which would severely limit its mod potential.


Memory has become so cheap that it’s probably just as economical to use a few hundred megs or gig. I would not worry about that. Hacking that thing would be boss.

#39 Confucius   Corporate Shill CAGiversary!   16481 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 11 September 2020 - 10:49 PM

Memory has become so cheap that it’s probably just as economical to use a few hundred megs or gig. I would not worry about that. Hacking that thing would be boss.

That was my point. I would think factories would have a harder time making a smaller memory chip. Like if you wanted to buy a 100 gig HD right now, you couldn’t.

We need a thread for the RC car. I’m most excited about that. $200 gone.

#40 BadWaluigi=Luigi  

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Posted 12 September 2020 - 12:13 AM

I wonder how much storage space it will actually have though ... NES roms are insanely small, so it’s possible Nintendo could sell this with something like 32 mb of space, which would severely limit its mod potential.

Good point. What an amazing antipiracy measure lol



#41 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   3385 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 14 September 2020 - 02:01 PM

I wonder how much storage space it will actually have though ... NES roms are insanely small, so it’s possible Nintendo could sell this with something like 32 mb of space, which would severely limit its mod potential.

32mb would hold around 90 average nes games.  But then it just depends on how big the os is for this and how much space is left over.  But even a tiny amount of space (by today's standards) would hold a lot of nes games.  The main issue I think will be the OS which is limited to showing three games ... unless they designed it so they could put out other revisions with more games... it's going to take a lot of work to get around that... if the usb is even wired for data.



#42 teh lurv  

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Posted 14 September 2020 - 07:20 PM

I wonder how much storage space it will actually have though ... NES roms are insanely small, so it’s possible Nintendo could sell this with something like 32 mb of space, which would severely limit its mod potential.

 

The NES & SNES mini used a 512MB flash chip for storage, which was overkill for it's intended purpose but probably was the cheapest flash chip Nintendo could buy in bulk.



#43 z3razerviper  

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 04:39 AM

Is it even cost effective to buy a 32mb chip anymore? It may have more storage because it could be cheaper.

#44 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   23707 Posts   Joined 16.3 Years Ago  

Posted 16 September 2020 - 01:29 PM

Is it even cost effective to buy a 32mb chip anymore? It may have more storage because it could be cheaper.

Minescule levels of memory (RAM) is still being produced. It's just being produced for consumer use but a lot of electronic devices still use RAM- they just don't need gigs of it. Things like wifi routers and cable boxes use RAM ranging in MBs (though the higher end ones use GBs). Some digital toys (like those interactive toys for toddlers) use small amounts of RAM too I believe. Maybe not 32MB but if those devices need 128MB, they'd then use 4x 32MB modules. 

 

32MB might be the smallest, cost efficient module Nintendo could find so they used that even though they won't need all 32MB. 



#45 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   3385 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 16 September 2020 - 01:45 PM

Is it even cost effective to buy a 32mb chip anymore? It may have more storage because it could be cheaper.

I'd expect it would be at least 1gb.  The question though is will this all be system on a chip stuff with everything on some non writable storage with maybe just a small bit of storage for game/high-score saves... or will they just put everything in ram and if the system dies then the data is gone?  There are many ways to do this... hopefully though they are developing it as a possible product line and thus making a generic system that they can put whatever games on it they want.  So next year we'll get a Zelda one with the nes games and maybe the classic zelda game and watch game remade for this unit.



#46 Nesmaniac   8 bit heaven CAGiversary!   1383 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 01:54 PM

If these sell well then I'd expect Nintendo to capitalize on it by making pokemon red, zelda, metroid, punch-out, list goes on and on and at $49.99 a pop they'd be making far more profit on each sold than a switch. Just smart business seems to me like.



#47 briandadude   Vita + Xbox + Switch CAGiversary!   1039 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 September 2020 - 05:34 AM

"

This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission.


This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."


https://gameandwatch.nintendo.com

Can no longer find this text on the page. Be alert my fellow geeks.

#48 Josef   Touched the dead CAGiversary!   13252 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 19 September 2020 - 07:27 PM

Can no longer find this text on the page. Be alert my fellow geeks.

Apparently it already went up on B&H Video the day the PS5 was put up for preorder.  I wasn't going to order from them either way but I think it lasted a few minutes.



#49 briandadude   Vita + Xbox + Switch CAGiversary!   1039 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 September 2020 - 07:50 PM

Back up on Amazon UK. Where are our US orders...

#50 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   3385 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 24 September 2020 - 08:14 PM

It releases 11/13th... so... probably Friday Oct 30th it'll go live... 2 weeks before it ships.  But ... that's just a guess.  I'd imagine they want to know 100% what the available stock will be before they open preorders.



#51 Shadowmoses12   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   1405 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 October 2020 - 05:03 AM

https://www.amazon.c...=ogi&th=1&psc=1

Preorders are back up on Amazon jp and uk

#52 Mattiful-Joe   Henshin A Go-Go Baby! CAGiversary!   3089 Posts   Joined 17.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 14 October 2020 - 04:55 AM

Am I the only one who has lost all interest in this?  It's a nostalgic impulse buy, to be sure, so now with weeks past, I think I'm passing.  It was an interesting sell at the beginning but I don't see myself using it besides the 1-2 times right after I get it.  Meh.



#53 WingsDJY   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3984 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:14 PM

I’m in the same boat. Did it ever go up for preorder in the US?

#54 briandadude   Vita + Xbox + Switch CAGiversary!   1039 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:19 PM

Has not been available yet in the US. Driving me crazy.

#55 georox   The Captain CAGiversary!   7703 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

Posted 15 October 2020 - 08:17 PM

I'm just importing one. *shrugs*



#56 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   3385 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 16 October 2020 - 02:02 PM

My prediction is still October 30th... 2 weeks before it's available when preorders will show for USA.



#57 girlracer99lude  

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 08:54 PM

My prediction is still October 30th... 2 weeks before it's available when preorders will show for USA.

I was thinking that considering Mario Kart Live came out today and went live on Best Buy, Target, and Gamestop today that this might happen the same way.



#58 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   3385 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 19 October 2020 - 01:38 PM

I was thinking that considering Mario Kart Live came out today and went live on Best Buy, Target, and Gamestop today that this might happen the same way.

I was basing my 2 week prediction based on the 2 weeks we got for Super Mario 3D All Stars.  But it's entirely plausible there will not be a preorder and this will just drop on release date.



#59 briandadude   Vita + Xbox + Switch CAGiversary!   1039 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 01:49 PM

I was thinking that considering Mario Kart Live came out today and went live on Best Buy, Target, and Gamestop today that this might happen the same way.

Now that you say that, I don't see any mention of "pre-order" on the official page any longer. Just "Coming November 13".



#60 Sk   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   940 Posts   Joined 16.4 Years Ago  

Posted 19 October 2020 - 04:55 PM

This is most Nintendo preorder announcement of all time. No info on dates when preorders go live and no confirmation of quantiles available or how long it will be sold. Hoping this isn’t like the nes minis.