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Leaving the legality of something like where and when soccer kicks are legal to a referee's discretion is just asking for trouble.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Its really stupid but apparently its only allowed when the referee says its ok to, so you have to pretty much look at the guy and he'll say yes or no.Was talking about it the other day with someone.Really seems more like a fatality from Mortal Kombat with the referee shouting "Finish him!" .

When it comes to the point where you have to wait for the ref to give the call, almost seems like the fight should already be over in some cases.The one where Huerta got koed was pretty brutal.[/QUOTE]

Yup, completely agree. My dad and I were joking about it, like "Wait...wait...not yet...OK, OK, NOW!!! KICK HIM IN THE FACE!!!" How anyone could have ever thought that this was a reasonable compromise between just allowing or disallowing soccer kicks, I'll ever know. If this is the solution, just fucking ban soccer kicks and be done with it.

Basically, what I got out of it was Arlovski won the fight...which ironically would even up their series 2-2...thus justifying a 5th meeting anyway, haha. Hard to believe.
 
[quote name='technicalstylez']ufc 153 is in rio- hsbc arena. sorry frankie.
oh, cote vs sakara got announced, should be fun.[/QUOTE]

Poor fight between Cote/Sakara. It should be somewhat entertaining, but I thought both of those guys got cut after they got beat up?
 
Aldo apparently got in a motorbike accident but is unhurt. Well, "unhurt" according to Aldo. What ever chalk I had plans to lay on Aldo will now be spent otherwise. I may even put some coin on Edgar. Depends on what news is spread going into the fight. Anyhow, reckless decision by Aldo. Somewhere, Dana White had an aneurysm at the possibility of the superfight seeing cancellation.
 
I'm still unsure on who I'd go with between Edgar and Aldo.The motorcycle incident doesn't sound too bad except for some bruises but doesn't seem like enough to sway me from whats been heard of it.I know more people seemed to be picking Aldo but I don't feel its that quite of an easy lock.Mendes was able to outstrike Aldo for 4 mins and 58 seconds until a spectacular KO so seems reasonable that Edgar could do the same but also equally reasonable that Edgar could be koed himself and hes shown to get rocked at times although does tend to recover.
 
sara mcmann just signed a multi fight deal w/ strikeforce. holy toledo. looks like ronda has her hands full. olympic judoka vs olympic wrestler would be an awesome billing if sara can get by her first sf opponent(s).
 
[quote name='technicalstylez']sara mcmann just signed a multi fight deal w/ strikeforce. holy toledo. looks like ronda has her hands full. olympic judoka vs olympic wrestler would be an awesome billing if sara can get by her first sf opponent(s).[/QUOTE]

LOL at the idea of McMann vs. Rousey. That is a(nother) 1-round submission win for Rousey easily. She would try to outstrike her, but even the Olympic wrestling wouldn't be able to stop the throws that Rousey would bring out from the clinch.

Another clinch, toss, sub, laugh at everyone sequence.

P.S. Why is McMann even getting a deal with Strikeforce when she didn't even beat Baszler? Weak...
 
WSOF November 3rd event details are out

Today the new World Series Of Fighting organization had their press conference to address some details on their first event, scheduled for November 3rd at Planet Hollywood Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada. They officially announced that WSOF will partner with NBC Sports Network (formerly Versus) to air the first event as part of a one-year deal. The plan is to hold somewhere between 8-10 events within their deal.

Company President and kickboxing legend Ray Sefo announced the likes of Bobby Lashley, Gregor Gracie, and Gesias "JZ" Cavalcante would be a part of their inaugural show. Former WEC Bantamweight champion and former UFC fighter Miguel Torres is in the main event against a TBA opponent.

For those itching to know what is in store for November 3rd, here's a breakdown of fighters scheduled to compete as well as booked fights.

Fights on the card include:

- Gerald Harris vs. Josh Burkman
- Gesias Cavalcante vs. John Gunderson
- Ronys Torres vs. Brian Cobb
- Gregor Gracie vs. Tyson Steele

Fighters scheduled for the card but need an opponent are:

- Miguel Torres in the main event
- Rolles Gracie
- James McSweeney
- Bobby Lashley

The expected tournament format has been put on hold, so all of these fights are of individualized importance instead of a Bellator-style knockout tournament. WSOF will also use a Decagon, meaning a 10-sided cage instead of Strikeforce's Hexagon or the UFC's Octagon or whatever YAMMA tried to do.

It is very important to note this card will be going against Strikeforce: Mir vs. Cormier so plenty of MMA to watch on November 3rd that doesn't involve the UFC. More importantly, this is more MMA readily available on basic cable with plenty of talented fighters and recognizable faces on the card.

You can see the full press conference video after the jump.
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Originally Torres was scheduled to fight a town over from where I live. I'm sure I would have been able to get tickets for pretty cheap. Obviously he got a better deal and is headed to Vegas. He will probably build up a decent streak against some low tier fighters and possibly come back to one of the bigger organizations.

Going up against Strikeforce is pretty nice. They will be airing on basic cable whereas Strikeforce will be on SHO. Not to mention they have a decent line up for their first event.
 
I think you're right there buddy.Can't think of any shows going on this week.It is a bit of a nice break there, for a while seemed like 1-3 mma shows every week and felt like overkill with all of the shows going on.Am starting to get more interested in the next show since it'll have more build up then rapid firing them one after another.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Tachi Palace Fights are tonight I think. I believe Ian Loveland is headlining.[/QUOTE]

I also forgot that K-1 is on tonight. Rick Roufus fights Mighty Mo. I can't see this ending well for Roufus.
 
Some interesting news out from yesterday. One piece: Paul Harris versus Lombard.

Oh, and Weidman-Boetsch. This is what happens when that fuckin' coward whines to Baby Daddy Dana about not wanting to fight Weidman, which is a statement Silva made on record. Some champion. He wants the St-Pierre fight because he knows he'd beat a smaller fighter. Pfft.
 
Feels like a really bad match up for Palhares there coming off a tough loss,thought he would get someone a little easier then Lombard but I guess its time to sink or swim to be a contender.

;) Is there a little bit of hate behind that there Chase lol?I can see why he'd rather face GSP,simply the biggest payday of his career and the biggest fight in terms of importance he'll likely ever have and in honesty I think Weidman is the toughest fight for Anderson Silva even counting GSP.Weidman has the wrestling to put Anderson on his back and the jit jutsu to keep him there and not get subbed in the process.Not too sure on Weidman's chin,not that I have any reason to doubt it,just hes been so dominant in all of his fights that the only one hes been hit in was against Maia and it was on I think 2 weeks notice?Either way seems excuseable but Maia isn't really a guy to test someone's chin but like I said don't have any reason to doubt Weidman's chin at this point since I haven't seen him hurt.

Just a tough match up for Anderson and a low payday.I dig the Boetsch fight.Winner should get Anderson Silva when he returns from making some movie assuming that they just don't jump straight ahead with the GSP/Anderson superfight.Bisping probably needs one more win after Stann so I'd assume he'll be facing the winner of Boetsch vs. Weidman if Anderson gets the fight with GSP.
 
Weidman should kill Boetsch with his wrestling and submission ability, which far overmatches Boetsch's. As far as Palhares/Lombard, it is a typical Rousimar Palhares type of fight. Either he gets hit and KO'd or he drops to the floor and rips Lombard's leg muscles apart, which he is capable of doing in this fight.

If I were Lombard I would do exactly what Belcher did and bring in Dean Lister for leglock defense. That guy is one of the best leglock specialists in the world and has a ton of strength and power backing them up - just like Palhares.
 
Bisping whoops Stann. Bisping outclasses Stann in every area except for power—and even in that area Bisping flies under the radar.

[quote name='Magiblaze'];) Is there a little bit of hate behind that there Chase lol?[/QUOTE]


There is so much hate. So very much hate. ;) More hate than I will fill this post.

I genuinely like Georges St-Pierre. For a guy with a questionable mind, he fights through his deficiencies and has become one of the best fighters in the world and the greatest champion the world has even known at 170 pounds.

I respect Anderson Silva as one of the best fighters on Earth—but will never like the person he puts out for the public to consume. Always thought he was a smug, cocky asshole, and have always had a strong desire to see him swept off his pedestal. Jon Jones fights all contenders. Frankie Edgar fights all contenders. Jose Aldo fights all contenders. St-Pierre fights all contenders. Anderson Silva? Tries to duck the Sonnen rematch and has publically said he does not want to fight Jon Jones or Chris Weidman. That is cowardly shit.

Oh, and he's apparently a liar. Silva recently said that he went easy on Thales Leites because he is his friend. Leites later said that he and Silva were never friends. So, essentially, Silva made a mockery of MMA because he is—and has always been—a dick.

My main issue with Silva: He wants a superfight payday but only a superfight he can win. He wants to tarnish St-Pierre's legacy to boost his own—and that is horseshit. I have no doubt that he is begging Zuffa for the fight by grabbing their balls with the "I fought Sonnen again for you; you owe me" bullshit. He is attempting to bully St-Pierre into a fight, and that is the actions of a coward. If Silva had any balls, he'd fight Jones, and get his ass beat into a bloody pulp.
 
[quote name='Chase']Bisping whoops Stann. Bisping outclasses Stann in every area except for power—and even in that area Bisping flies under the radar.




There is so much hate. So very much hate. ;) More hate than I will fill this post.

I genuinely like Georges St-Pierre. For a guy with a questionable mind, he fights through his deficiencies and has become one of the best fighters in the world and the greatest champion the world has even known at 170 pounds.

I respect Anderson Silva as one of the best fighters on Earth—but will never like the person he puts out for the public to consume. Always thought he was a smug, cocky asshole, and have always had a strong desire to see him swept off his pedestal. Jon Jones fights all contenders. Frankie Edgar fights all contenders. Jose Aldo fights all contenders. St-Pierre fights all contenders. Anderson Silva? Tries to duck the Sonnen rematch and has publically said he does not want to fight Jon Jones or Chris Weidman. That is cowardly shit.

Oh, and he's apparently a liar. Silva recently said that he went easy on Thales Leites because he is his friend. Leites later said that he and Silva were never friends. So, essentially, Silva made a mockery of MMA because he is—and has always been—a dick.

My main issue with Silva: He wants a superfight payday but only a superfight he can win. He wants to tarnish St-Pierre's legacy to boost his own—and that is horseshit. I have no doubt that he is begging Zuffa for the fight by grabbing their balls with the "I fought Sonnen again for you; you owe me" bullshit. He is attempting to bully St-Pierre into a fight, and that is the actions of a coward. If Silva had any balls, he'd fight Jones, and get his ass beat into a bloody pulp.[/QUOTE]

I can't pretend to know as much as you about the sport, but that last sentence is a little bit illogical to me. I can't blame Silva for not wanting to move up 20 pounds, just like I wouldn't blame GSP for not wanting to move up and fight Silva. Ducking guys within your own weightclass is pretty shady and classless, but ducking guys in weightclasses higher than you is understandable.

I'm a huge Bisping fan, I think he easily takes care of Stann. He seems like a prick but he's a good fighter.
 
Jones turned down Sonnen though and has also said he does not want to fight Anderson,hes also said he does not want to fight Lyoto.So why not the hate on Jones as well?I understand your hate though as I feel similar about Jones myself,he just feels so fake and trying to make people think hes someone hes not.

I do agree though that Jones would likely beat up Anderson really bad.Honestly I'm more excited for Jones vs. Anderson fight then Anderson vs. GSP.Just feels like theres too much of a size difference for GSP and Anderson.GSP has the right sort of style to pull off the win but even if he does bulk up its not going to be quite right for GSP's frame adding on muscle when he relies a lot on his speed.



I agree with everything everyones already said about Bisping vs. Stann.Bisping outclasses Stann everywhere,the only place I'd give Stann an advantage would be in power but everywhere else I'd go with Bisping.I think the lines are a little too low for Bisping even where you can find him at -165 or -170.
 
[quote name='Metal Militia']Yo who do you guys got winning in the Brian Stann Vs. Michael Bisping fight? I'm leaning towards Bisping especially if he takes Stann to the ground.[/QUOTE]

I hope they both choose to keep the fight standing because it'll be really interesting to see if Bisping's boxing outmatches Stann's power. I do think Bisping wins this fight, but I can certainly see Stann knocking him out.

With that said, I really hope Stann gives him an H-bomb.
 
[quote name='tylerh1701']I can't pretend to know as much as you about the sport, but that last sentence is a little bit illogical to me. I can't blame Silva for not wanting to move up 20 pounds, just like I wouldn't blame GSP for not wanting to move up and fight Silva. Ducking guys within your own weightclass is pretty shady and classless, but ducking guys in weightclasses higher than you is understandable.

I'm a huge Bisping fan, I think he easily takes care of Stann. He seems like a prick but he's a good fighter.[/QUOTE]

I didn't know Bisping had fans lol ;). I don't like Bisping, but I want him to beat Stann cause I'd like to see Bisping/Weidman (If he gets passed Boestch) or Bisping/Silva (so I could see Anderson kill Bisping)
 
[quote name='Metal Militia']I didn't know Bisping had fans lol ;). I don't like Bisping, but I want him to beat Stann cause I'd like to see Bisping/Weidman (If he gets passed Boestch) or Bisping/Silva (so I could see Anderson kill Bisping)[/QUOTE]

Ya, my 2 friends who introduced me to the UFC hated Bisping, so I just liked him out of spite at first. But he definitely grew on me (except that illegal knee he threw on Rivera) and I think he's a really good fighter (he really impressed me in the Chael fight, after Stann just got dominated by him).
 
I know I'm in a very small minority but I actually like Bisping and the fact he took his feud with Rivera seriously.Its nice to see someone that held a real grudge rather then just hugging it out and them saying they were just "hyping it up for the fans".
 
The UFC really needs to just come up with a set policy for champions. You've gotta defend your belt once every 4 months. If you get injured, you get 2 months to rehab. If rehab takes longer than that, then an interim title fight is held. If the original champion STILL isn't ready to fight 4 months after the interim title fight, then the interim title holder has to defend his belt.

There's just been too much damn stagnation lately. GSP has been out FOREVER...it took forever to get an interim title fight done...and now Condit has been sitting around waiting. Silva was out for quite a while with an injury and they didn't even entertain the idea of doing an interim title fight. With 7 weight divisions now, there should be a title fight on almost every card...which is how it used to be. But we haven't had that for awhile.

Now, with Aldo, this is TWO straight postponements due to injury for him. How could you NOT do an interim title fight? I can't blame these guys for getting hurt, but the show must go on. If the UFC wants to ever stop relying on a handful of fighters to carry its PPVs, this is how you do it. People should know who Carlos Condit is. Frankie Edgar is basically a real life Rocky for God's sake. There's no reason these guys can't be as big of superstars as GSP/Jones/Silva. You just have to give them fights.
 
I don't think it would quite work out that well.I'm actually against Interim Champs unless they're going to do 2 or more fights.Seems silly to have these interim title fights and then they end up fighting the champion next,if thats the case they should just be #1 contender fights.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']I don't think it would quite work out that well.I'm actually against Interim Champs unless they're going to do 2 or more fights.Seems silly to have these interim title fights and then they end up fighting the champion next,if thats the case they should just be #1 contender fights.[/QUOTE]

How are you going to talk about an Anderson Silva fight with Weidman not being a "payday fight" and then not comprehend the purpose of interim title fights? People are going to be much more willing to order a PPV if there's a title fight on it. I'm a HUGE GSP fan, but how much money do you think he's made the UFC over the past 16 months? If you can get a new face out there and get a buzz going about them, it only stands to help the company.

Then, when the original champion is finally ready to return, you have an "undisputed champion" battle. To me, the problem with interim titles is that they're just done at random and with no consistency. How many people (outside of the hardcore MMA community) do you think even realize that Carlos Condit is the interim welterweight champion? The UFC can't do anything about injuries. But they can do something about how they promote the fights and the fighters they choose to promote.
 
Interim titles are cheap.Just lessens the quality of the belt.To be honest I prefer not to even count interim champs in a title's linage.I can talk about it in the same way that I do with too many cards yet cutting back would help with the quality of cards.I only like interim belts being added into the mix if the champion is going to be out for an extended amount of time and whoever wins the interim title is willing to fight during that time to take the place of a champion.Instead most often you just get Interim Champs that win the belt and then wait for the champion rather then fighting contenders.Like you said about how many people realize that Carlos Condit is the interim champ, kinda just goes to show how useless the interim belts are or how they are most often used by the UFC.


If you HAVE to have a interim champ, then he should at least get in 2 fights, one winning the belt, and the other defending.Otherwise you might as well just have it as a number one contender's fight instead of how they've used it in the past 5 years.Barao might be the only guy in recent history to get in a fight as the champ before fighting Cruz.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Interim titles are cheap.Just lessens the quality of the belt.To be honest I prefer not to even count interim champs in a title's linage.I can talk about it in the same way that I do with too many cards yet cutting back would help with the quality of cards.I only like interim belts being added into the mix if the champion is going to be out for an extended amount of time and whoever wins the interim title is willing to fight during that time to take the place of a champion.Instead most often you just get Interim Champs that win the belt and then wait for the champion rather then fighting contenders.Like you said about how many people realize that Carlos Condit is the interim champ, kinda just goes to show how useless the interim belts are or how they are most often used by the UFC.


If you HAVE to have a interim champ, then he should at least get in 2 fights, one winning the belt, and the other defending.Otherwise you might as well just have it as a number one contender's fight instead of how they've used it in the past 5 years.Barao might be the only guy in recent history to get in a fight as the champ before fighting Cruz.[/QUOTE]

Well, yeah...I agree with that. That was why I proposed the standard policy for handling interim titles. Condit's a tough case because he had been promised a title shot for how long? He got screwed over with the whole Nick Diaz thing. I can't really blame him for waiting on GSP...but at the same time, it's just been way too long. At this point, it feels like there is no belt in the welterweight division...which to me is far worse than having an interim champion. At least if the UFC set a standard policy, it wouldn't need to be artibrarily decided when an interim title fight is held, or when it's defended, etc.
 
Cole Konrad,Bellator's Heavyweight champ just retired from MMA.Hes now taking a job as a financial trader.Somewhat surprised by this,leaving the sport to take a job as a trader when you're a top guy in the sport.I would've loved to see him fight in the UFC a couple times.I don't think he would've been champion or anything but I would think he could be above middle of the pack and top 15.Hasn't really announced why hes reitiring so not sure if he just didn't want to do MMA anymore or money wise only getting a fight a year since becoming bellator champ.Could be speculation that he "retired" so he could leave Bellator and fight in the UFC but I think Bellator has a similar champion's clause as the UFC does which they used against Randy Couture when he tried getting a fight with Fedor.

Dave Herman is getting Big Nog in his next match up.Wow,for someone not that great he keeps getting tougher fights.Had Struve and was finished,then gets an even tougher fight against Roy Nelson in a big KO loss, and now hes being matched up against Nog.
 
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Cole Konrad is smarter then a lot of people will think he is. Even though he is a "top" guy (in Bellator...), he isn't going to be making any great amounts of money without being a Top 3 heavyweight in the UFC, which would never happen. I assure you that his financial trading job is going to be paying a whole lot more then his next 2-3 years in MMA would.

As far as Herman pulling Big Nog, I'm surprised he wasn't cut after he got KO'd by Nelson. Struve, Nelson and now Big Nog are going to put a beating on him. Maybe Nog will finally be the guy to submit him though, since he isn't great on the ground anyway.
 
In more breaking news,Anderson Silva is now going to headline UFC 153 against Stephan Bonnar.Just wow.I know they're hurting to find good fights but moving up in weight to face Bonnar who was about to retire since he wasn't being offered what he felt were big enough names feels like a mismatch even though I do agree Bonnar should be getting bigger fights but not Anderson Silva probably the best p4p fighter.I almost thought it was a bit of a joke when seeing it over at mmajunkie.Bonnar has a pretty iron chin but I think this just might be the first time we see him get finished.Looks like Teixeira vs. Maldonado is going to co main event which seems like a good fight.
 
Fabio? He can't win any decisions against bums so he isn't going to get any benefit on the cards against Teixeira, unfortunately.

Silva/Bonnar is a mismatch, and Bonnar will be getting finished. He is too slow and too poor defensively to handle a guy like Anderson, and he lacks the wrestling to do what Sonnen almost did in both fights.
 
[quote name='ced']Silva-Bonnar? The fuck? Seriously.[/QUOTE]


This sums up my opinion in three words.

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[quote name='Chase']This sums up my opinion in three words.

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Isnt weidman recovering? Was weidman/silva offered to either for 153?
 
[quote name='paz9x']Isnt weidman recovering? Was weidman/silva offered to either for 153?[/QUOTE]


Weidman isn't on the list of medical suspensions for that FUEL 4 card. However, he did say that he wants time to heal.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/30425/wei...fight-winner-of-ufc-152s-bisping-vs-stann.mma

But, you have to figure that given a chance to fight for the title that he'd be more than willing to take the chance.

Weidman shouldn't have to speed up his recovery. I agree. My complaint is more that Silva, by fighting at 153, puts himself on the shelf for 6-8 months after that event. And, if by some miracle Bonnar wins, who knows how, but if he wins, you know Silva will be pining for an immediate rematch—which would take him away from the division of which he sits as champion for another 6-8 months. I get that Silva is being a "company man," but he is the wrong person to step-up.
 
How many people are there that Silva could fight in like a month? Not THAT many, quite honestly. The Bonnar fight sucks but it is in a division that Silva doesn't fight in (but once), and we should seek a solid demolition for a round or two as well. It isn't a HORRIBLE fight.

To be honest I do think Silva wants to avoid Weidman for a little while right now, but that fight can't be made anyway. Weidman JUST got like 6 bone shards taken out of his elbow, there's no way he would be 100% for UFC 153. For the time being, I guess that's an acceptable fight for Anderson while Bisping, Stann and Weidman are tied up. After this though, he needs to fight two of those three names in his next two fights.
 
Both really big mismatches for the main events of UFC 152 and 153 with Jones opening up as a -1300 fav and Silva opened up at -1350.Supposedly Big Nog was with Anderson Silva filming a commercial and asked to fight when they called Anderson.Nice to see guys stepping up and taking these fights and salvaging some of these cards as of late.Buyrate wise even if still a mismatch and less people likely to buy because of it,I would think the UFC has to be happy with the main event still since drawing wise it looks even stronger then Aldo and Edgar.
 
[quote name='Chase']Weidman isn't on the list of medical suspensions for that FUEL 4 card. However, he did say that he wants time to heal.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/30425/wei...fight-winner-of-ufc-152s-bisping-vs-stann.mma[/QUOTE]

I thought I had read he had surgery of some sort, I didnt pay much attention.

Regardless, I want to see more of him, ive only watched the maia and munoz fights of his.
He has a style that I find entertaining, and he seems to be a likable guy.

So if bisping beats stann, which i think he will, how pissed do you think he gets if he has to fight weidman instead of his title shot?
 
[quote name='paz9x']I thought I had read he had surgery of some sort, I didnt pay much attention.

Regardless, I want to see more of him, ive only watched the maia and munoz fights of his.
He has a style that I find entertaining, and he seems to be a likable guy.

So if bisping beats stann, which i think he will, how pissed do you think he gets if he has to fight weidman instead of his title shot?[/QUOTE]

He said he knows he came up short in his previous title shots and would be OK with having to fight Weidman for the shot.
 
Is Joe Silva just throwing darts at a board here? At this rate, we are gonna have someone fighting a Brown Bear for a title, Tekken statues!
 
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