MMA (UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator, Invicta, etc.) Discussion Thread -- Version II

[quote name='Calipso']Anyone else going to UFC 156?

Anyone else laughing at Rousey headlining UFC 157?[/QUOTE]

Yeah how could Rousey headline over Hendo/Machida?
 
Why are Henderson and Machida even fighting in the first place? They both have claims to be title challengers, they were BOTH in line for a title. Henderson got injured, Machida turned it down.

Now it feels like Dana is punishing them both by making them fight to the death for survival. Obviously the loser gets screwed in many more ways than just losing, because he loses his title shot too. In the case of Henderson he may never get another title shot if he loses.
 
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Miller vs. Lauzon just saved this horrible ppv.Possible FOTY and this bout made both guys look like winners.Bloodbath with Lauzon's face looking like a crimson mask.
 
Thoughts from tonight:

Chris Leben is done. I don't even know why the guy is fighting anymore. I guess it's a paycheck, but good God, at least make it look like you're giving an effort. Not impressed with Brunson's cardio either. Had he been fighting almost anyone other than Leben, he probably would have lost.

Alan Belcher had a really stupid fight strategy going against a wrestler. Yeah...throw kicks and pull guard on a guillotine that Okami popped his head out of in less than 5 seconds. He finally figured out it might be wise to try to outbox Okami in the 3rd round, and dropped him. But too little, too late, with all the time and energy wasted with a non-existent attack before that point.

Tim Boetsch has some shitty luck. After getting the better of Philippou in the 1st, he allegedly breaks his hand and then gets poked in the eye. All the credit in the world to Matt Hume though for not being a terrible corner man and actually telling his fighter "It's 1-1. If you want to win this fight, you need to go after him." Then, when Boetsch responds that he can't close the distance because of his eye, Hume asks him point blank "Do you want to stop?" That's how you corner a fighter. Not this ego stroking "You're doing really good! He's afraid of you!" bullshit that most trainers seem to do.

Miller - Lauzon was when the PPV finally started. That fight needs to be shown to every fighter when they sign a contract so they can see what fighting actually is. It's not even about going for the KO constantly...but actively trying to win. As impressed as I was with Miller, I couldn't believe how Lauzon kept coming at him. Even to the very end, he goes all out to try to get a submission. Again, this is worlds different from how some fighters just coast to a loss. FOTN...no question.

Cain gave JDS a hell of a beating. I will say though, I felt Cain started coasting from about the midway point of the 3rd round. He kept getting takedowns, but I didn't really see him as trying to finish the fight. They kept talking up his cardio, but I think he looked pretty damn tired too. Not that I can blame him after the flurry he put on in the first two rounds, but it made for kind of a lackluster ending. I still appreciate the work he did though...and while I like Junior, I'm actually glad Cain won because it sets up the rivalry I've been wanting to see. Hopefully Junior does put in the work to make himself a better fighter, and we see that the next time these two meet. They can easily make each other two of the greatest of all time if they're both willing to work for it.

Overall, not a great card, but it had its moments.
 
Cain is just brutal with how he tore JDS apart.Oddly enough JDS was able to stop most of Cain's takedowns early on but he was just being savaged on the feet.Almost felt like watching a murder with how Cain was just mauling at him.No idea how JDS managed to go to the decision,he wasn't ever in the fight but somehow he managed to limb his way to the finish line.Previously I wasn't that interested in the rematch as I should have been but now with this rubber match I'm super excited to see the trilogy rubbermatch when it does happen.


Looks like the Sherdog season is over.I didn't do so well on this event only getting about half of my picks right but overall I'm pretty proud with it.Ended up at #12 overall out of over 8000 people so I feel like its quite an accomplishment.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Thoughts from tonight:

Chris Leben is done. I don't even know why the guy is fighting anymore. I guess it's a paycheck, but good God, at least make it look like you're giving an effort. Not impressed with Brunson's cardio either. Had he been fighting almost anyone other than Leben, he probably would have lost.

Alan Belcher had a really stupid fight strategy going against a wrestler. Yeah...throw kicks and pull guard on a guillotine that Okami popped his head out of in less than 5 seconds. He finally figured out it might be wise to try to outbox Okami in the 3rd round, and dropped him. But too little, too late, with all the time and energy wasted with a non-existent attack before that point.

Tim Boetsch has some shitty luck. After getting the better of Philippou in the 1st, he allegedly breaks his hand and then gets poked in the eye. All the credit in the world to Matt Hume though for not being a terrible corner man and actually telling his fighter "It's 1-1. If you want to win this fight, you need to go after him." Then, when Boetsch responds that he can't close the distance because of his eye, Hume asks him point blank "Do you want to stop?" That's how you corner a fighter. Not this ego stroking "You're doing really good! He's afraid of you!" bullshit that most trainers seem to do.

Miller - Lauzon was when the PPV finally started. That fight needs to be shown to every fighter when they sign a contract so they can see what fighting actually is. It's not even about going for the KO constantly...but actively trying to win. As impressed as I was with Miller, I couldn't believe how Lauzon kept coming at him. Even to the very end, he goes all out to try to get a submission. Again, this is worlds different from how some fighters just coast to a loss. FOTN...no question.

Cain gave JDS a hell of a beating. I will say though, I felt Cain started coasting from about the midway point of the 3rd round. He kept getting takedowns, but I didn't really see him as trying to finish the fight. They kept talking up his cardio, but I think he looked pretty damn tired too. Not that I can blame him after the flurry he put on in the first two rounds, but it made for kind of a lackluster ending. I still appreciate the work he did though...and while I like Junior, I'm actually glad Cain won because it sets up the rivalry I've been wanting to see. Hopefully Junior does put in the work to make himself a better fighter, and we see that the next time these two meet. They can easily make each other two of the greatest of all time if they're both willing to work for it.

Overall, not a great card, but it had its moments.[/QUOTE]

I agree with everything you said there, honestly.

JDS was able to stuff the early takedowns but was fighting so scared that he wasn't thinking about getting outstruck, something that had never happened to him before. He did the same thing against Mir but Mir posed no threat on the feet, unlike Velasquez. The thing that shocked me was the lack of conditioning displayed by Cain. He should have been able to finish the fight after the first round but appeared to have worn himself out beating up JDS, I guess much like JDS was dead tired against Roy Nelson by the end of their fight. But only one round? C'mon, son.

Leben is shot, really. Nothing much to be said about it at this point.

Belcher's strategy was terrible with pulling guard on the Guillotine (twice) but he couldn't handle Okami's strength and takedown ability. If you can't outwrestle Okami and stuff his takedowns, you lose. Belcher couldn't stop them, so he lost. I expect him to put up more of a fight in the grappling department but alas, Okami is a world class grappler and his top control is elite. The difference between Belcher's top control (of which he was on top three times) and Okami's it just insane.
 
I thought the Boetsch/Phillipou fight was pretty decent. Boetsch just had one of those nights where the fates had him destined to lose.

The Lauzon/Miller fight was awesome. I was pretty sure Cain would win, and I was happy he did. He feels like a much more well-rounded champ than JDS, and I hope he's able to hold on to the title for a little while this time.

I missed the Varner/Guillard fight, but what the hell happened? 2 of the judges game all three rounds to Varner, and the other judge gave all 3 to Guillard? I'm gonna have to read up on that one.
 
Pfft, Guillard got owned. He was waaaaay too tenative on the feet and got not only outstruck but taken down multiple times. He absolutely lost the fight and whoever scored the fight 30-27 for Guillard is apparently Melvin's boyfriend.
 
Byrd forgot to write "Varner = White" and "Guillard = Black" on her hands. Or maybe she just remembered the latter.

Shock of shocks Cecil Peoples was a judge for the fight and wasn't the one that fucked it up.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Pfft, Guillard got owned. He was waaaaay too tenative on the feet and got not only outstruck but taken down multiple times. He absolutely lost the fight and whoever scored the fight 30-27 for Guillard is apparently Melvin's boyfriend.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='ced']Byrd forgot to write "Varner = White" and "Guillard = Black" on her hands. Or maybe she just remembered the latter.

Shock of shocks Cecil Peoples was a judge for the fight and wasn't the one that fucked it up.[/QUOTE]

Thanks guys, I laughed at both those comments. :) Dana found the scoring equally egregious.
 
It's pissing me off that I can't remember the exact fight right now, but one of the refs on the main card was fucking TERRIBLE. He broke them up twice for no reason and even did it while they were on the ground with a guy in top position and working. Rogan even commented that he thought it was some bullshit.

Oh and did anybody else think Anik and Rogan was just a weird combination?
 
I miss Big John as a regular UFC ref. Didn't have to worry about shit when he was the third man in the ring.
 
[quote name='PimpLimp']It's pissing me off that I can't remember the exact fight right now, but one of the refs on the main card was fucking TERRIBLE. He broke them up twice for no reason and even did it while they were on the ground with a guy in top position and working. Rogan even commented that he thought it was some bullshit.

Oh and did anybody else think Anik and Rogan was just a weird combination?[/QUOTE]
Talking about Okami and Belecher I believe.

I prefer Goldy over Anik, and generally don't like Anik but I do much prefer Rogan and Anik together then Anik and Florian.Anik and Florian just don't seem to get across any enthusiasm across and come off as dry even if Kenny does know his stuff and does have a passion for the sport.To me the team of Anik and Rogan seemed to do well together to the point where I wasn't annoyed by Anik.

Not sure if you guys are interested, but the 100 greatest fights had a good price drop on blu-ray to about 16.99.Good deal if you don't already own it and prefer blu-ray,heck its even cheaper then the dvd version now.The only complaint I had with it is Dana letting personal grudges be invovled and limited some options for the fans to vote on as the best fights.Noteable missing is Frank Shamrock vs. Tito.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/UF...IN=B003XMKMZ0&ASIN=B003XMKMZ0&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
 
I actually totally forgot it was Anik announcing, not Goldy. Rogan is definitely the best and when he's not there it's definitely noticeable, Goldy not so much to me.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Talking about Okami and Belecher I believe.

I prefer Goldy over Anik, and generally don't like Anik but I do much prefer Rogan and Anik together then Anik and Florian.Anik and Florian just don't seem to get across any enthusiasm across and come off as dry even if Kenny does know his stuff and does have a passion for the sport.To me the team of Anik and Rogan seemed to do well together to the point where I wasn't annoyed by Anik.[/QUOTE]Yeah it was the Okami/Belcher fight, thanks.

And my feelings are pretty much the same when it comes to Anik. I would have preferred Florian and Rogan over Anik and Rogan though. When Anik and Florian get together to commentate, both of them sound similar and neither one has a distinctive voice so it's hard to tell who is who sometimes IMO.

[quote name='tylerh1701']I actually totally forgot it was Anik announcing, not Goldy. Rogan is definitely the best and when he's not there it's definitely noticeable, Goldy not so much to me.[/QUOTE]Haha that's probably because Anik barely said anything. At least with Goldy and Rogan there's a rapport, this was just pretty much all Rogan. Which I was fine with anyways.
 
Haha...wow. Tyson Fury calls out Cain Velasquez.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-c...RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAN1ZmMEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3

While I would LOVE to see this, I'm sure the self-proclaimed "baddest man on the planet" is only thinking of challenging Cain to a punching contest. I always laugh my ass off hearing boxers talk about how they'll smash people and how no one can beat them, and then it's like..."but no takedowns!" I'll always respect boxing for being a sport of strategy and timing...but strapping on thicker gloves just so you can beat on each other for 36 minutes is not fighting. I'll never forget when Joe Rogan flat out told Lou Dibella on ESPN "Boxing is the sport of punching. MMA is the sport of fighting." I'd love to see Cain shoot in on Fury and just maul him like he did to Bigfoot Silva.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtKx41UdCj0
 
From what I heard Rousey schooled a pro boxer a few weeks ago after "he said no woman could do that shit to me".Vic Darchinyan is ranked 8th in the world at 122 and apparently his camp didn't want it getting out.She armbared him in seconds and they broke it up and stopped it right away in fears of him getting hurt.
 
You might have caught it after it ended, even though it still list it as that, you can still watch the entire event for free if you click on the "videos" tab and go to the first video at the top.
 
Benson Henderson is fighting on Fox again, in April against Gil Melendez. I've never actually seen Melendez fight (I mostly just follow UFC), it seems like his stock has kind of gone down over the past 12 months so I'm not sure what to think about the matchup. I obviously hope Ben wins though.

As for much more current events, I'm definitely pulling for Bisping on Saturday. I actually really like the guy.
 
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To be honest it was a bit overrated from the bout with Kawajiri where he killed him with hellbows and people thought he was either the best or 2nd best Lightweight and then facing two guys that weren't even top ten and taking Masvidal to a decision and against Thompson if it had been more then 5 rounds then Gil would've lost.The rubbermatch between those guys is a perfect example of Unified Rules vs. Pride rules judging,if it were Pride rules then Thompson would've won and have been champion bit with round by round scoring you had to give it to Melendez.

I think hes a bit underrated again now that hes lost some of the hype he had.Personally going with Bendo but could see Gil winning some of the early rounds possibly.
 
[quote name='tylerh1701']Benson Henderson is fighting on Fox again, in April against Gil Melendez. I've never actually seen Melendez fight (I mostly just follow UFC), it seems like his stock has kind of gone down over the past 12 months so I'm not sure what to think about the matchup. I obviously hope Ben wins though.

As for much more current events, I'm definitely pulling for Bisping on Saturday. I actually really like the guy.[/QUOTE]

I pulling for Vitor, but if Bisping does win I hope he gets the next title shot cause I'd love to see him get mauled by Anderson Silva lol
 
I'm one of the few that like Vitor in the fight and am actually surprised so few people are picking Vitor to win.I feel a little like a lonely black sheep here and I like Bisping too,seems more real and is just himself.
 
The UFC on Fox card tonight was probably one of the best cards Fox has had since they started airing events. The Cerrone/Pettis fight was a lot shorter than expected and even though both main events went to decision, both were extremely entertaining.

I'm fucking PUMPED for next weeks UFC event though. Aldo vs. Edgar is going to be insane!
 
Yeah it was a good night of fights. fucking Cerrone didn't do anything. Looks like Pettis will get the next title shot, but he's gonna have to wait for it. I'd like to see him fight again (maybe Jim Miller) but I'm sure he won't want to. I still don't know what to think about him. He's definitely a scary challenger.

I was hoping Glover would finish Rampage. And the Johnson/Dodson was more entertaining then I thought it would be. I was definitely pulling for Dodson though.
 
UFC 156: Aldo Vs. Edgar

Date: February 2, 2013 7:00 PM EST
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Venue: Mandalay Bay Events Center
Broadcast: Pay-per-view, FX and Facebook

MAIN (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)
Jose Aldo vs. Frankie Edgar - for featherweight title
Rashad Evans vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Alistair Overeem vs. Antonio Silva
Jon Fitch vs. Demian Maia
Joseph Benavidez vs. Ian McCall

PRELIMINARY (FX, 8 p.m. ET)
Evan Dunham vs. Gleison Tibau
Jay Hieron vs. Tyron Woodley
Bobby Green vs. Jacob Volkmann
Yves Edwards vs. Isaac Vallie-Flagg

PRELIMINARY (Facebook, 7 p.m. ET)
Chico Camus vs. Dustin Kimura
Edwin Figueroa vs. Francisco Rivera

Cant wait for this card tomorrow night!!!!!!! Aldo Vs. Edgar is going to be sick. I'm pulling for Edgar, but Aldo is just scary on the feet and his leg kicks are brutal.

I think Overeem is going to KTFO Silva tbh.

I also have Rashad taking a UD over Lil Nog.

Fitch Vs. Maia is going to be very interesting cause I'm wondering if Fitch is gonna want to take it to the ground even thought Maia is a jiu-jitsu specialist. Also Maia has destroyed some pretty good wrestlers in DHK and Rick Story since moving down to welterweight.

I see Benavidez being to quick for Uncle Creepy and taking a UD.
 
This thread isn't really as popular as it was a few months ago. Am I missing something, did a lot of the guys migrate to a new thread?

Anyway, tomorrow night's card is amazing! Fitch/Maia has the potential to be a snoozer, but the rest should be pretty damn good.

I'm definitely pulling Frankie, I really like the guy. Aldo is super scary but I actually think Frankie will win. I agree with Metal Militia on the Evans and Overeem fights, but I'm pulling for Uncle Creepy, I think he can take Benavidez.
 
I am rooting for Aldo, but Frankie did excellent in the LW division which is one of the strongest in the UFC so I think it could go either way. Overeem should win easy, it is mainly a warm-up fight for the title shot. Evans should win and I will be pulling hard for Uncle Creepy, I hope he uses his takedowns to do some G&P. Fitch and Maia I don't really care about, but hopefully Maia pulls off a crazy sub.
 
My picks for tonight

Edgar
Evans
Overeem
MaiaBenvidez
Rivera
Volkmann
Woodley
Edwards
Camus

[quote name='bigpimpin24']Chase and krakrabbit haven't been as active in here which is why this thing kinda died off.[/QUOTE]
They will be missed.Chase for his good natured and smart advice and even krakrabbit for his bad advice/disagreements with every single person in the thread :lol:.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']My picks for tonight

Edgar
Evans
Overeem
MaiaBenvidez
Rivera
Volkmann
Woodley
Edwards
Camus


They will be missed.Chase for his good natured and smart advice and even krakrabbit for his bad advice/disagreements with every single person in the thread :lol:.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I enjoyed what the both had to say. Chase seemed to be extremely knowledgeable about MMA, and even though I don't understand a lot of the finer details about gambling, he usually had good insights on the fights/fighters.
 
I agree about both people, Crackrabbit was wrong alot of the time, but was still easier to deal with than most people on the UG that have different opinions.

My picks tonight -

Aldo - I am worried about this pick because every fight Frankie is in is razor thin, and there is a rumor about Aldo having stitches recently around his left eyebrow

Evans
Overeem - should make short work of Bigfoot
Fitch
McCall - not sure on this one but I'm too big a fan of Uncle Creepy to go any other way. Edit - he lost :(
 
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[quote name='DT778']Maia via hugging. Zzz[/QUOTE]

I'm a Fitch fan, but even I can acknowledge that Maia was trying to get a sub. All Fitch could do was fight him off. Maia was all over him. And Fitch is stupid for throwing a kick to start the 3rd round. Maia probably would have taken him down 10 seconds later anyway, but it was still a horrible idea. I'd actually be interested in seeing Maia fight GSP at this point. Would make for an intriguing style match up.
 
Overeem is an arrogant fuck. Send him back overseas so he can get back to juicing and jigging his pecs. Bigfoot just fucked up the Heavyweight ladder, lol. Don't know who gets Cain now.
 
[quote name='Metal Militia']Damn Reem had no respect for Bigfoots standup and he paid the price. That comeback reminded me of the Boestch/Okami fight[/QUOTE]

Sort of...except Bigfoot wasn't hurt anywhere near as much as Boestch was. He was just waiting for his chance to unload.
 
bigfoots hands looked amazing in that 3rd round. reem got way too cocky and payed for it big time. very brutal & satisfying ko.
 
I openly admit im a big Overeem fan, but i am absolutely LIVID right now. Disgusting performance. No respect for his opponent. That ass kicking is probably what he deserved for being an arrogant prick.

I'm so pissed off right now, lol. :wall:
 
Geez, that Evans / Lil Nog fight was terrible. It looked like neither guy wanted to be there. And people wonder why the lighter weight classes have become more exciting.

Looks like another one of Dana's plans got fucked up though. Can't imagine putting Rashad against Anderson Silva now.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Geez, that Evans / Lil Nog fight was terrible. It looked like neither guy wanted to be there. And people wonder why the lighter weight classes have become more exciting.

Looks like another one of Dana's plans got fucked up though. Can't imagine putting Rashad against Anderson Silva now.[/QUOTE]

I knew this fight was going to suck. I started playing on my iphone waiting for it to be over.
 
I'm a huge Frankie fan. He's like Jake Lamotta and Rocky rolled into one. But he definitely lost this fight. I thought both of the fights with Bendo were closer than this one. The way this fight started, I was really worried about Frankie at 145. But the way he finished, I think it's pretty clear he just needs to gameplan better. His gas tank is going to be his biggest weapon. For these ridiculously huge fighters who cut tons of weight, he's gotta figure out a way to just spend the first couple rounds wearing them out.

If he can take them down and grind on them, great. But if not, just make them fucking chase him around the cage. Don't even bother to engage. Just bait them into throwing lots of strikes and keep them moving. I feel like he could have had a better chance of winning if he hadn't taken so much punishment in those first two rounds. I honestly only had Frankie winning the 4th round. I thought Joe was being generous giving him the 5th. The 3rd and the 5th were very similar to me. Yeah, Frankie landed some shots, but Aldo was answering him with some good ones of his own.

I had Aldo with very clean wins in Rd 1 and Rd 2...and narrow wins in Rd 3 and Rd 5. I think Frankie could do ok at 145, and might even have a shot at beating Aldo in the future. But he can't just expect to rely on his natural abilities to do it. He's gotta become GSP like and have a plan for each round. I can't imagine how deflated he feels right now. 3 straight losses to guys who are just freakishly big and strong for their weight class. That freaking sucks, man.
 
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