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No stranger than Undertaker getting attacked in the middle of the ring by masked men sent by Muhammad Hassan the same week of the London train bombings.
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Why was it strange? did they show him choke slamming a baguette? maybe tombstoning the eiffle tower? Just wondering I didnt watch it.
I can't figure out why this was strange to Cage. I didn't see anything wrong with the segment, nothing in this segment had anything to do with Paris. The whole segment was pretty cool IMO, I just hope the Wyatt's come out on top Sunday. Bray and company can't really afford to lose this feud and need to win, it's pointless for Taker and Kane to go over these guys.
I think if Survivor Series does not turn the WWE upside down and really have some big surprises I am done watching til the month before Wrestlamania. You would think when they spent the entire freaking year building Rollins just to have him hurt and have such a shallow bench to replace him that they would learn something and build up new talent. Reports are that the plan was to have Rollins and Reigns feud from here to pretty much Wrestlamania. Again 2 guys and 2 guys who are not the total package sucking up the entire freaking year. I started watching wrestling as a kid and stayed with it for so many years because I loved how unpredictable it was, now the writing is so shallow and the politics so deep that you can predict most of what will happen a year ahead of time. Even an injury only shakes things up a little. I want to be a fan, God I really really miss having Raw to enjoy every week. I just cant anymore though, I cant recall the last time I was shocked outside Takers loss, and I cant recall the last time we didnt have a long running heel running the show(The authority angle isnt that different from Heel Vicki with Edge which we suffered through forever).
To me Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Cesaro, none of these guys should be the face of the WWE. The WWE should not have a face because it should be an ever changing and evolving product, excitement and mystery are the face. If they cant get it right with this PPV im done til WM and if it still aint right...damn I just dont know. It really is disheartening and leaves a weird feeling every time I stop watching, I wonder how many people watch just because its routine and they cant stop? Makes sense though, I imagine RAW has been in all of our lives longer then our wives/husbands/significant others.
To me Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Cesaro, none of these guys should be the face of the WWE. The WWE should not have a face because it should be an ever changing and evolving product, excitement and mystery are the face. If they cant get it right with this PPV im done til WM and if it still aint right...damn I just dont know. It really is disheartening and leaves a weird feeling every time I stop watching, I wonder how many people watch just because its routine and they cant stop? Makes sense though, I imagine RAW has been in all of our lives longer then our wives/husbands/significant others.
The only thing I can think of is that maybe he means because the Undertakers lore is he is supposed to be the person who brings the dead from one world to the next. So I can see where to some people it might seem a bit odd to go from silence for the dead.....to the Shepard of the dead. I personally dont see anything wrong with it, but I can see where others might think its odd.
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NXT is still worth watching.
Dawkins and Wilder are the Brainbusters 2015, satin jackets and all. I still am entirely unsure which is Dawkins and which is Wilder without squinting and reading their trunks - but hey, they're a tag team, so maybe it's not all that important. They're
in' goooood, and add Jordan and Gable who are killer as a team as well and you have new, *fresh* tag feuds for NXT. Bayley/Alexa/Nia Jax has some good dynamics as well, and let's not kid ourselves - storyline doesn't matter: Joe and Balor are gonna have a goddamn *MATCH* to watch.
WWE is always gonna WWE (whatever that means), so maybe it is time to find something better to do than watch. I canceled cable 3 months ago and find the slightly shorter Hulu version worth watching.
Dawkins and Wilder are the Brainbusters 2015, satin jackets and all. I still am entirely unsure which is Dawkins and which is Wilder without squinting and reading their trunks - but hey, they're a tag team, so maybe it's not all that important. They're
in' goooood, and add Jordan and Gable who are killer as a team as well and you have new, *fresh* tag feuds for NXT. Bayley/Alexa/Nia Jax has some good dynamics as well, and let's not kid ourselves - storyline doesn't matter: Joe and Balor are gonna have a goddamn *MATCH* to watch.WWE is always gonna WWE (whatever that means), so maybe it is time to find something better to do than watch. I canceled cable 3 months ago and find the slightly shorter Hulu version worth watching.
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I Feel I learned all I need to about Dawkins and Wilder via their entrance music, which is "THEY GO HARD!" Besides that, I'm all for a heel tag team that actually has a strategy and goes for a specific body part.
And I can't deny Alexa Bliss and Blake and Murphy are excellent heels, right down to their obnoxious as entrance music and video to Alexa's total bitchiness, you can't help but want to see them get the living hell beat out of them.
And I can't deny Alexa Bliss and Blake and Murphy are excellent heels, right down to their obnoxious as
entrance music and video to Alexa's total bitchiness, you can't help but want to see them get the living hell beat out of them.It's looking like they are going to go with the obvious route on Sunday with Reigns winning the belt. I do suspect that Roman will win with help from The Authority, thus finally turning heel, which needs to happen. Out of the four guys left in the tournament Kevin Owens is the only guy who I personally want to see win, but I am biased as Owens/Steen has been a favorite of mine for years.
I don't want to see Roman with the belt yet regardless, but if they are going to do it I would prefer it be as a heel because face Roman can't cut a promo to save his life and he seems out of place as a face in general. I like the guy and he has a very bright future like it or not, but putting the belt on a face Roman Reigns is a terrible idea, no mater what, once he wins the belt he will be heavily booed. Pretty sure aside from Del Rio he is the least favored to win the tournament by fans, especially internet fans.
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So... Did WWE forget to book a Survivor Series Elimination Match for Survivor Series?
They will likely throw something together during the Smackdown taping tonight. For some reason I feel like they will make the traditional Survivor Series match a pre-show match featuring a team with Cesaro, Dudley Boyz, Ryback, and Nevile vs. Stardust, The Ascension, Wade Barrett, and Sheamus.
@Myke - Thanks. I have watched NXT a bit on and off and really enjoyed what I saw. I have put off really commiting to them because I kind of want to start from the first episode and just binge watch them all. It blows my mind that the WWE last I checked still didnt have all the NXTs online(hell every episode of all their programming should have been up from the start!). I would take your advice on watching a shrunk down version of RAW online, but I have already for a few years just torrented it on Tuesdays and fast forwarded through most of the show. Like you said, I think it might be time to move on and do something better with my time. I have watched off and on for months, this will be the first time I sigh and just let it go for a year(for good?).
@Sigma - Ya sadly thats what I have been reading and am thinking will happen as well. I just do not understand forcing Reigns down our throats though. Do not get me wrong I see big money and a future champ in the guy, but you have to let these things happen naturally. I honestly believe if they had him lose to Owens(who I want to win) or Ambrose(who I think is best for business) it would be better for him then winning the belt right now. The Universe that just tunes in and watches the show and enjoys it for what it is have seen him come close so many times but not obtain the belt, I imagine many of them are behind him already or close to it. Smarks I think as much as they hate Reigns in a year to year and a half would grudgingly accept him because if nothing else he has put in time and put many people over in the process. If they give him the belt right now and have him hold it for a long time all its doing is sticking another thumb in the eye of many fans and locking him in to be the next Cena(both good and bad).
I kept hoping the entire time in the match with Cesaro that they would have Reigns lose. Partly because I like Cesaro and the guy deserves it. But also partly because I think instantly they would have made it clear we are in for a breath of fresh air in the WWE, things are going to change. I think it would have set up immense excitement and suspense and I also think even smarks would have gained some respect for Reigns since they knew he was supposed to win the belt from Rollins this month.
@killerramen - I do not understand the lack of SS elimination matches this year or last few years. First off there are some great stables in the WWE already. Second they freaking love doing 3vs3 and 4vs4 matchs on raw every week it seems. I find them soooooo freaking boring, but actually like SS elimanation matches because it gives a month to build a story for that match. It makes no freaking sense to me that there are not atleast 2 or 3 this year. New Day and a 4th partner vs Dudleys and any other tag would make sense and I do not freaking understand the missed opportunity for a SS match with Undertake and Kane vs the Wyatts. Even if it was still a handicap match I would have liked to seen Taker/Kane have a partner, Finn Balor would have been a great fit. As it is though its just another dull match where I fear the Wyaats will be made to look even less like a force in the WWE, I still do not understand why the Wyaats have been booked to be such losers.
@Sigma - Ya sadly thats what I have been reading and am thinking will happen as well. I just do not understand forcing Reigns down our throats though. Do not get me wrong I see big money and a future champ in the guy, but you have to let these things happen naturally. I honestly believe if they had him lose to Owens(who I want to win) or Ambrose(who I think is best for business) it would be better for him then winning the belt right now. The Universe that just tunes in and watches the show and enjoys it for what it is have seen him come close so many times but not obtain the belt, I imagine many of them are behind him already or close to it. Smarks I think as much as they hate Reigns in a year to year and a half would grudgingly accept him because if nothing else he has put in time and put many people over in the process. If they give him the belt right now and have him hold it for a long time all its doing is sticking another thumb in the eye of many fans and locking him in to be the next Cena(both good and bad).
I kept hoping the entire time in the match with Cesaro that they would have Reigns lose. Partly because I like Cesaro and the guy deserves it. But also partly because I think instantly they would have made it clear we are in for a breath of fresh air in the WWE, things are going to change. I think it would have set up immense excitement and suspense and I also think even smarks would have gained some respect for Reigns since they knew he was supposed to win the belt from Rollins this month.
@killerramen - I do not understand the lack of SS elimination matches this year or last few years. First off there are some great stables in the WWE already. Second they freaking love doing 3vs3 and 4vs4 matchs on raw every week it seems. I find them soooooo freaking boring, but actually like SS elimanation matches because it gives a month to build a story for that match. It makes no freaking sense to me that there are not atleast 2 or 3 this year. New Day and a 4th partner vs Dudleys and any other tag would make sense and I do not freaking understand the missed opportunity for a SS match with Undertake and Kane vs the Wyatts. Even if it was still a handicap match I would have liked to seen Taker/Kane have a partner, Finn Balor would have been a great fit. As it is though its just another dull match where I fear the Wyaats will be made to look even less like a force in the WWE, I still do not understand why the Wyaats have been booked to be such losers.
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Magus: Hulu Plus has old NXT episodes from before the Network.
Thanks! I knew about that but right now my family is kind of dire straights for cash after a few financial hardships. I know Hulu is only like $10 a month or something but money is that tight right now. Then again maybe I can convince my wife into giving up Netflix for a month or two and subscribe to hulu. Does Hulu have ALL NXT or just old ones?
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All of it. They update with new episodes the day after they air on WWE Network and it's $7.99 if it makes any difference, but you get a one month trial if you're a new customer.
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I understand the cost issue as well. That's why I cancelled a long time ago after catching up on season 5 of NXT (Redemption). But as bardockkun said, you should be able to get a free trial.
Ya I think I will take a week or two off smoking, save up some bud and binge watch some NXT. Even if I cant finish them all I can prob convince the wife to let us keep HUlU over netflix an extra month. Anyone know how many seasons/eps there are to catch up on out of curiousity? I feel short when I tried to binge watch RoH by a year or two ;(
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In all honesty, you can probably just skip it to when they move to Full Sail or around the time they had their first two hour special. The first two or so years they try to make it a like a weird game show-wrestling mash up and it didn't become what it's best known for until the move to Full Sail around 2012, but it's not until about 2013 when you see guys like Breeze, Neville and Zayn show up.
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The problem with the Reigns thing is smarks are going to hate him as long as he's a face, if he turns heel some will cheer him because thats what they do (cue Mark Henry) but otherwise as long as he's a face he could be in the midcard for the next 5 years and still be hated. In their eyes he will never "pay his dues" no matter how long it takes him to win the belt. Trying to please them is a lost cause, WWE would be smart to do the best thing for the future of the company, which believe it or not doesn't always align perfectly with what the internet fans want. Reigns has been on the main roster for two full years now, that's plenty of time to justify a title win if they go that direction.
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I don't remember the exact numbers, but I went to the NXT show page on Hulu.com earlier today and it listed the number of episodes in each season. Season 5 was the last season where NXT existed as weird pocket universe where a combination of rookies and jobbers competed for a spot on a mythical sixth season. Everything after that should be developmental.
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The real problem with Reigns is that the kids love him. Like it or not (and I don't), he's over and a moneymaker.
It's smart for them to push him, even if we mostly seem to dislike it. We're all largely one kind of demographic in here (adult mostly white males who are wayyyyy into wrestling), so it's easy to forget the rest of the crowd.
In other news, I'm going to free Chikara bootcamp on Sunday. Huzzah!
It's smart for them to push him, even if we mostly seem to dislike it. We're all largely one kind of demographic in here (adult mostly white males who are wayyyyy into wrestling), so it's easy to forget the rest of the crowd.
In other news, I'm going to free Chikara bootcamp on Sunday. Huzzah!
Lets stop and look at this not with our hearts but with logic for just a minute. You say that trying to please the internet fans is a lost cause and what is best for business is what needs to be looked at. But how many guys that are over with internet fans can you think of in recent years that they have built up? Daniel Bryan, yes and they delayed that as long as possible. CM Punk, I would argue again that was fought by the WWE and happaned more on a fluke. From that point the last person I can think of that was over with fans was probably Edge(though I feel I am missing someone). This list is waaaaay to freaking short. First off it is not building enough guys to be believable champions. But it is also way too short of a list to say with a straight face that the WWE has tried to please internet fans. There are plenty of other examples that can be given as well such as net fans hating the authority angle and the Mcmahons being in the spot light, the desire for longer matches and less story(something I would hate and argue against) etc etc.
They dont need to build talent now....they needed to do it years ago. There are so many guys that are capable of holding the belt. The argument against Cesaro is that he cant talk, but why then did they plan to have Rollins(who is horrendous on mic) holding the belt for like a year and a half to two years? Cesaro is every bit as interesting and capable in the ring as Rollins the golden boy yet internet fan Cesaro is held back for the same faults? And how is it best for business to have Rollins hold the belt this long and not build up other talent? Ambrose when he was feuding with Rollins was really starting to get over with EVERYONE. Internet fans, the average WWE kid and average adult, most guys in the back that I have heard about, they all seemed to be behind Ambrose in his crowd pops and online. Why not at that point build him up while you have that natural Stone Cold rebel momentum building? Why not give Cesaro a real push when he had Heyman a mouth piece to give him a crutch and see how he did with the belt? Why not let Mark Henry a guy who was dedicated to the company, worked hard, gave some great performances in his later years and would have diversified the company have the strap just once?
Phew! Sorry to rant. But it wasnt from the heart. This is logic. You claim that no matter what the WWE does, we internet fans will bitch and they are just doing whats best for business. But man I find it really hard to look at anytime in the last 15-20 years or so and see how this is true. They have not put many fan favorites over and its hard to not feel in many ways they have been held back. This might not be so bad if instead of having a "golden boy" as i said early they had several golden boys. They did not though, so I dont see how you can call this shallow bench of white guys what is best for business either.
Reigns is money I agree. The guy has the build, the looks, perfect for media and kids eat up all those same traits. Even if he isnt the best guy in the ring as he proved with Cesaro if you let him work with someone REALLY talented he can put on good matches. Over time he might grow and surprise everyone the way Cena has. Reigns is an asset to the company and I would make him champion and soon. I am just arguing right now at this moment, it is not his time. Too many fans are itchy for change and feel they are not being listened to. Hell the whole world seems to have that feeling right now(and IMO for good reason). This is the time to reflect and recognize the talent pool is too thin and people are craving change anyways. Try Ambrose as the rebel and I would be shocked if it didnt work. If that fails try Owens, Ziggler or Cesaro in different roles all the while grooming Reigns to be the Monster Cena like kid/media friendly figure they are drooling for. If leading to Wrestlmania someone has not caught fire its time to put the strap on him quick. If someone has caught fire, they now have a bench of Rollins, Mr X and Reigns. Adding in guys like Cena, Orton and Lesnar as floater champs and thats a really solid bench to start building off of.
Want to add from there though I think they need to be building some minority talent ASAP. I am glad to see the new day getting so much spot light, but again it feels like their succese is a fluke and not through the WWE giving them a great angle.
My wife is a big fan of Zoolander(ugggggh) so I keep getting stuck watching really crappy trailers for the second movie. I cant help but think even as much as I hate that character it would be a great Raw cross promotion with Tyler Breeze. Could be really funny if done right.
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Since they have to make a new champion at Survivor Series and it being November and all I would think that a heel would win the belt so they could push a face challenger (likely the winner of the Royal Rumble). If they put it on Roman and don't turn him from the start they could always "push" him too hard as a face to force a more negative crowd reaction. The winner of the Royal Rumble could be hero and get all the cheers, thus making Roman jealous and forcing a turn that way.
Sorry for being long winded there. My money is still on a heel Ambrose Authority push. "They offered you everything we've worked so hard for; what I've worked so hard for while you were gone...and you spit in their face?" If ANYONE is going to help Roman on the mic it would be Dean.
Sorry for being long winded there. My money is still on a heel Ambrose Authority push. "They offered you everything we've worked so hard for; what I've worked so hard for while you were gone...and you spit in their face?" If ANYONE is going to help Roman on the mic it would be Dean.
I think Roman turning heel would be best for him as I feel he comes across more naturally as the cocky heel character. The problem with turning Dean heel is that regardless of what he does, up against Roman Reigns the majority of the crowd is going to behind Ambrose. Roman's work inside the ring as of late has been nothing short of excellent, his match on Monday against Cesaro was incredible and he has had several great matches throughout the whole year. Plus if they turn Roman heel, the inevitable feud when Rollins returns would be incredible with the roles reversed.
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The problem I have isn't with Reigns so much as they way I suspect he'll be booked. It seems like he'll be booked like Cena and I can't stand the idea of him constantly "battling back from adversity" against the monster heel of the month. It's so predictable and boring, plus it will be exactly the same as we've just had with Cena and honestly I don't think Reigns is as good on the mic. He really needs to stop doing the recaps of the week every Monday, it's boring as hell.
I don't really know what his character is supposed to be beyond "Babeface shield guy"
I could of course be totally wrong, if creative find something to do with him that's compelling all the better, I've got nothing against the man personally, he's not bad in the ring.
Honestly I dont think he deserves so much credit for those matches as much as his opponents deserve it for carrying him. That match Monday was solid but ALL the heavy lifting was done by Cesaro. Cesaro had all the flashy moves and it was obvious he was calling that fight. The only thing i give reigns credit for is selling and not looking overly stiff.
It definitely helps working with a guy like Cesaro, but Reigns has had good matches with Bray Wyatt and even Big Show as well. I don't think it's fair to say that Reigns doesn't deserve credit. You can only carry someone so far, but Reigns is more than capable of putting on a good match with just about anyone on the roster. Reigns gets a ton of crap from people because of the way he has been pushed, but this is a guy who is living his dream. He may not be the best wrestler, talker, or even character on the roster, in fact he is far from it and personally I am not a very big fan of Roman's character at all. But he is the guy who they clearly want to push into the future and as long as he keeps improving I am fine with this. I'd much rather see someone who works hard and has a passion for the business succeed than someone like a Goldberg, who was not only awful, but didn't care about the business and was just collecting paychecks and endangering wrestlers with actual talent.
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TNA is moving to Pop, whatever the that is.
edit - Oh. It's the old TV Guide Channel.
that is.edit - Oh. It's the old TV Guide Channel.
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I agree that turning Ambrose heel to go against a face Reigns would be a mistake. The Internet fans are going to cheer Ambrose no matter what he is and will hate Reigns for the most part whether he's a face or a heel so the most logical thing to do is use that hatred of Reigns to get massive heat on him by somehow turning on his best friend Dean. I honestly think if they could turn Reigns in a smart manner he would be a great heel, both casual fans and hardcore fans alike would loathe him.
I still feel like having Reigns win the title right now is really the best way to go. A heel Reigns fueds with a huge babyface in Ambrose all the way thru the Royal Rumble which in turn is won by a returning beast in Lesnar setting up a bigtime WM main event rematch with roles reversed, this time seeing the heel champion Reigns defending against the face challenger in Lesnar.
I still feel like having Reigns win the title right now is really the best way to go. A heel Reigns fueds with a huge babyface in Ambrose all the way thru the Royal Rumble which in turn is won by a returning beast in Lesnar setting up a bigtime WM main event rematch with roles reversed, this time seeing the heel champion Reigns defending against the face challenger in Lesnar.
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Yeah, I had to figure out wtf it was too. Surprised that my cable provider(TWC) still has it, as I thought they had dropped it back when it was the TV Guide channel.TNA is moving to Pop, whatever the
edit - Oh. It's the old TV Guide Channel.
Also Ring of Honor announced this week that they will start airing their weekly show on Comet(one of those over-the-air digital stations that focuses on old sci-fi movies & shows) on Wednesday nights at midnight. So there's another way for people without a Sinclair broadcasting station to catch it.
Guess this also means that by the end of the year, Destination America will have no more wrestling on their channel. As TNA has been finished there since May and ROH's deal ends at the end of the year(and hasn't been renewed).
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Look who showed up at Full Sail today, on the day they're doing a bunch of NXT tapings:
Look who showed up at Full Sail today, on the day they're doing a bunch of NXT tapings:
Gunner and James Storm are also backstage
I get POP TV... but not in High Def. Why bother?TNA is moving to Pop, whatever the
edit - Oh. It's the old TV Guide Channel.
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Man, NXT can tape two months at a time and still be the best program on TV.
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Only TNA would agree to be on a channel that shows you what else you could be watching instead of it. Genius.
I read the spoilers every time, but still watch every episode. Can't say the same for Smackdown or Impact.
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ISIS is reportedly threatening an attack on Survivor Series. As of today, the show is still going on as planned, but the FBI is taking the matter seriously and the Atlanta Police are going to be taking additional security measures. So anyone who is going tomorrow should probably plan on getting there early to allow time to get through security.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/fbi-taking-anonymous-isis-threat-seriously-atlanta/npSN9/
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/fbi-taking-anonymous-isis-threat-seriously-atlanta/npSN9/
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That's one faction I actually wouldn't mind seeing Cena topple single-handedly.
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Someone at ISIS must be reading WWE Superstars comic book because a terrorist organization holding a WWE event hostage was the first arc in that series. Don't ask me how I know or remember this.
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POP (formerly TV Guide Network) no longer runs programming listings. And POP does have an HD feed available but very few cable/satellite providers at this point even carry it. Not even DirecTV which has nearly every HD channel imaginable doesn't have POP in HD as of right now.
Also the irony that Comet is owned by Sinclair and nearly every single area that has Comet has it attached as a subchannel to an Sinclair station that already airs ROH as is. So in reality this just another outlet for ROH to be rerun during the week.
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