2008 NFL Season Thread

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[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I'm not sure why they ran at the end, especially with Robinson.[/quote]

Why not spike it? I'd rather spike it and set up a play than try some stupid crap like that.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Why not spike it? I'd rather spike it and set up a play than try some stupid crap like that.[/quote]
Why spike it? The play was already dead, so they could've just called a pass play while waiting for the ruling.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Why spike it? The play was already dead, so they could've just called a pass play while waiting for the ruling.[/quote]

To me it seemed like they came out of the review then had to scramble to call that stupid running play. Spike it and take more time to plan your play better.
 
Nah they had time to pick a play. They wouldn't have come out of that review not knowing exactly what they were going to do since they either had a touchdown or had 2ish yards to go.
 
That and I didn't see any rush from the referee to get the ball in place and get the play started that would make me think that the clock wasn't stopped.
 
Damn good game last night, Niners shoulda won that baby, definitely fun watching San Fran right about now... :hot:
 
San Fran looked good..they actually look like they care now...too bad Hill has no receivers... Isaac Bruce is over the hill and Bryant Johnson is not a clutch receiver..I didn't like the Michael Robinson call, but Singletary did a nice job last night..
 
[quote name='Azumangaman']Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure every SF fan will love Mike Singletary win or lose tonight.[/QUOTE]

im not sold. not after those two run plays back to back, and especially not using gore at the end of the game. speaking of gore, i cant believe he slipped, which cost us the game. and shaun hill has a lot to learn about managing a clock, they wasted at least 15 seconds trying to spike the ball, they could have gotten another play in.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']im not sold. not after those two run plays back to back, and especially not using gore at the end of the game. speaking of gore, i cant believe he slipped, which cost us the game. and shaun hill has a lot to learn about managing a clock, they wasted at least 15 seconds trying to spike the ball, they could have gotten another play in.[/quote]From what I watched of the breakdown on ESPN, it wasn't Shaun Hill's fault. Some of the ESPN guys were saying Martz was having them run different personnel on the field after the catch, which was why Hill was a bit unsure what to do.

As for play selection, Singletary said that was all Martz's decision.
 
Martz and Singletary seemed to be arguing on the sidelines on what play to call, especially when SF was on a 4th and 1, looked like they were gonna go for it, then rushed the Field Goal team out there. They put the camera on Singletary and Martz and they were trading words pacing back and forth.

That last play was stupid though, run a pass play, have the QB scramble if he has to just to extend the play, usually someone gets open eventually. I was impressed with Warner though, he played like his super bowl years, making tough throws and always getting the ball out just in time, his timing was just great.

The Cardinals receivers, man, they made a lot of great catches too, gotta give em' props. Last night's game was a lot more competitive than I thought it would be.
 
Yeah San Fran looked like they werent too familiar with what it took to get em into the endzone. But many of the Niners are learning as they go, it seems, so maybe with time, and the opportunity to continue under coach Singletary we will see some good and entertaining games over the rest of the season. Ive followed Singletary since his days down the street at Baylor...:applause:
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']Who's everyone's Mid Season MVP so far? As of right now i'm choosing Kurt Warner. He is tearing it up this season. By far the best QB in the league right now.[/quote]


Right now I'm going with Clinton Portis as first half MVP.

Yes, I am a Skins fan, but Portis has the stats and the great performances this year to back it up being the MVP. Plus with all the close games they play, I don't think they win as many without him.
 
id 2nd portis as mvp as well. but not far behind are warner, brees and rivers (hey he has great numbers). but well see how they fare the last 7 weeks of the season.
 
Yea Portis is having a great season. A.Pete is also having a great season. I hope someone can go over 2,000 yards this season. It's been too long since anyone has surpassed 2K. Terrell Davis and Barry Sanders where the last 2 when they both did it ( which I thought was the same year but I was wrong ) Sanders in 97 and Davis in 98.

EDIT: Wrong again. I failed to realize Jamal Lewis also ran for 2K in 03.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']Yea Portis is having a great season. A.Pete is also having a great season. I hope someone can go over 2,000 yards this season. It's been too long since anyone has surpassed 2K. Terrell Davis and Barry Sanders where the last 2 when they both did it ( which I thought was the same year but I was wrong ) Sanders in 97 and Davis in 98.[/quote]

Jamal Lewis did it in 2003.
 
Martz blames the ball spot after the replay for the 49ers lose yesterday.

"It cost us the game," he said, according to CBSSports.com. "We go to the 1 -- or the half-yard line -- then spike the ball when, all of a sudden, officials tell us they're going to look at the replay. While they're looking at it, the ball stays at the 1. So we send in a play. Then, when they make their decision, they move the ball back to the 2½ and tell us they're going to start the clock on the official's wind.

"We couldn't change the play. We had to go with what we called. If it would've been at the 1, we would've made it. But they moved it and didn't give us any time. So what are we going to do? If they would've moved it to the 10 we still would've had to run the play that was called. We got screwed because of the spot, first and foremost."

The review in question happened after Frank Gore was tripped up on second-and-goal from the 1. Without any timeouts, the 49ers spiked the ball to stop the clock, but then officials decided to review whether Gore was down by contact. The replay showed that he was actually down at the 2½, not the 1. But Martz had already made the call for Robinson to dive up the middle.

"Obviously, if we had had time we wouldn't have called that play for that situation," he said, according to the Web site. "We would've called a double fade and passed it. I didn't expect anything like that. We had no recourse. We got screwed every way possible."
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Although this happened Martz still fucked up they way he handled the end of the game. If he would have had Hill spike the ball right away instead of causing a delay by sending in different personal he would have had the time to switch it up.
 
[quote name='traininvain']This "Portis for MVP" talk is ridiculous. Anyone think it'll actually happen?[/quote]

If him and Peterson keep putting up the same numbers and basically carrying their teams, I can't see either of them not being MVP...hell even co-MVPs.
 
The refs are going to give the Jets as many shots at a TD as they need here... Pass incomplete? No problem, defensive holding, automatic 1st down. You can call it on just about every play in the NFL, too.
 
Blown coverage on 3rd and 15 in OT costs them the game... You can only insert rookies and scrubs for so long before it comes back to bite you.

But hey, if beating the Patriots practice squad is something they need to be proud of, then by all means.
 
You are really sour dafoomie, REAL sour

The Patriots shot themselves in the foot a couple times, but the Jets started reverting to conservative tactics on offense and the defense was relaxing a bit and just couldn't solve their problem with holding down the Pats starting from the end of the first half. Favre's drives were awesome to watch though, he carried this team in their last two drives.

Obviously the Jets have a lot to work on though still, especially on defense.
 
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[quote name='Inf^Shini']You are really sour dafoomie, REAL sour[/QUOTE]

Lol, I knew he would be posting about the game. After I saw his avatar, I knew that he would be crying about how the refs are giving the game away even before reading his post. I guess those 2 superbowls(only fair one I thought they won was against Eagles) they got from the refs wasn't enough.

Nice of you to shit on the players of your team. I'm sure they love having a fan like you though.
 
I just knew Favre would have a good fantasy week since I didn't start him! Damn you Favre! Now I've got to decide whether to start Big Ben or the Mighty Quinn...
 
[quote name='gokou36']Lol, I knew he would be posting about the game. After I saw his avatar, I knew that he would be crying about how the refs are giving the game away even before reading his post. I guess those 2 superbowls(only fair one I thought they won was against Eagles) they got from the refs wasn't enough.

Nice of you to shit on the players of your team. I'm sure they love having a fan like you though.[/QUOTE]
Some of those guys are lucky to be drawing an NFL paycheck. And I'm sure most of them prefer passionate fans like us over the people that fill the suites at the game that don't really care. Real fans criticize their own team.

They've lost a lot of personnel on defense, and you can only hold it together with your reserves and guys off your practice squad for so long before it burns you, and on that 3rd and 15 in OT, it burned them when somebody blew their coverage. I'm also still waiting to see that defensive holding in the endzone (the first one), but thats immaterial right now.

Jets fans are treating this like the Superbowl. Beating a team in OT with no Brady, no Rodney Harrison, no Adalius Thomas, with undrafted rookie free agents STARTING in key positions, is not the highlight of your season.

I am happy that Cassel is proving people wrong and improving each day, and he'll be a nice starter for some shitty team next year, maybe even yours. But the Pats had that game won on that 3rd and 15 in OT, and because of a mental error by a guy who shouldn't be asked to play in a key situation like that (like the late hit that cost them the game vs the Colts), they lost. Hey, thats going to happen when you have to dig as deep into their roster as they have. And I'm impressed that they're still competitive against, if not beating, the class of the AFC. But to celebrate because the Jets beat this team? I don't think the team the Jets beat is anything special to be celebrating about like its the greatest win in their history.

I guess you have to look for smaller achievements when you're not going to win the Superbowl that year. For us, its how much some of the young players are improving and becoming solid players. I suppose for the Jets, its beating a team that used to be good.

I doubt they're getting much satisfaction out of the Knicks or Yankees, either. Looks like beating an average team made their year.
 
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I don't count it as the end all be all victory (I think Namath has that one covered no matter what), but they did go into Foxborough already having lost to the almost indentical Pats team in New York. They should have had the game in check at 24-6, but the squandered chance on the fumble at the end of the half proved fatal and just gave the Patriots more chances to come back.

The Jets would have had that game easy if #81 hadn't dropped the ball in the endzone on the same drive (I'll let the second one go because that was also good coverage). All of a sudden, they just stopped attacking, although I'm pretty sure they did that because of the fear of Favre turning the ball over. All of a sudden, Cassel is getting mobile and the Jets D is giving up constant 7-10 yard gains. Those constant 3rd down conversions didn't help them much either, and neither did putting Lowery on Moss and Ty Law on Gaffney.

The key here was no INT's at all, both QB's were playing very well, it really was a battle at the line of scrimmage and the ability of the QB to correctly diagnose the defensive setup. What I love about Favre is his ability to almost always have the defense show what they're going to do and effectively change the play call to counter that.

It's a great win, it's a big win, considering the circumstances, but of course there is a great possibility of them meeting again in the playoffs. I have more faith in the Jets because they didn't completely blow it, but I will definitely believe in them being a great team if they can knock off the Titans, because I highly doubt Jacksonville can get it done. Come on, they lost to the Bengals...

And dafoomie, what about Bill Bellicheck? Cassel played out of his mind and a lot of people seem to consider Bellicheck a great coach, so what about him? What I read from your post seemed to reiterate a certain sportswriters article, but no one seems to question Bellicheck, at least from what I've seen/read/heard so far. Are the Patriots really suffering from that many injuries? How many people are they missing exaclty? I'm actually curious, because I've only heard of the three guys you mentioned being out plus Ty Warren. You would think a team would be prepared for injuries though...
 
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[quote name='dafoomie']I'm also still waiting to see that defensive holding in the endzone (the first one), but thats immaterial right now.

Jets fans are treating this like the Superbowl. Beating a team in OT with no Brady, no Rodney Harrison, no Adalius Thomas, with undrafted rookie free agents STARTING in key positions, is not the highlight of your season.

I am happy that Cassel is proving people wrong and improving each day, and he'll be a nice starter for some shitty team next year, maybe even yours. But the Pats had that game won on that 3rd and 15 in OT, and because of a mental error by a guy who shouldn't be asked to play in a key situation like that (like the late hit that cost them the game vs the Colts), they lost.

I guess you have to look for smaller achievements when you're not going to win the Superbowl that year. For us, its how much some of the young players are improving and becoming solid players. I suppose for the Jets, its beating a team that used to be good.

I doubt they're getting much satisfaction out of the Knicks or Yankees, either. Looks like beating an average team made their year.[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about the one where Vrabel held the guy beyond 5 yards? If so, that was the right call. I couldn't watch the game becuz the NFL had to be gay and only show it on Direct TV so I only saw the replay on ESPN.

Actually, Belicheat lost the colts game when he called a timeout to kick a FG instead of going for the 4th and 1 which they made.

The Jets are celebrating because they are now the top dog of the AFC East for now. If anything, I'm sure New York doesn't care about the Knicks or the Yankees. Pretty sure they care about ending Pat's perfect season last year ^_^ .
 
I'm surprised that nobody bumped this up with the Cincy/Philly tie in OT. I didn't get the chance to watch it, so I don't know if there's any reason that McNabb played so bad against the Bungles.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I'm surprised that nobody bumped this up with the Cincy/Philly tie in OT. I didn't get the chance to watch it, so I don't know if there's any reason that McNabb played so bad against the Bungles.[/quote]


Yeah I was wondering what McNabb's deal was today especially since he's my main QB on one of my FF teams. First tie since Steelers - Falcons in 2002.

Good Lord Rams, you're down 35-3 to the 49ers at the half?!
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']And dafoomie, what about Bill Bellicheck? Cassel played out of his mind and a lot of people seem to consider Bellicheck a great coach, so what about him? What I read from your post seemed to reiterate a certain sportswriters article, but no one seems to question Bellicheck, at least from what I've seen/read/heard so far. Are the Patriots really suffering from that many injuries? How many people are they missing exaclty? I'm actually curious, because I've only heard of the three guys you mentioned being out plus Ty Warren. You would think a team would be prepared for injuries though...[/QUOTE]
The Jets got real conservative on offense because they were afraid of Favre throwing a pick, you're right. Not sure why they went to the prevent defense with a decent amount of time left, though the coverage on Moss was good (borderline PI), he just made a great catch.

This season is being hailed as proof of Belichick's status as a great coach. They said he couldn't win without Brady. They're not a great team, but 6-4 with two tough, close losses against the Jets and Colts is far better than anyone thought. Once again they're getting production out of guys nobody ever heard of, and Belichick's gameplan against the Colts was great.

Sammy Morris, LaMont Jordan, Laurence Mauroney, all injured. They've become a pretty good running team with Kevin Faulk and BenJarvus Green-Ellis, an undrafted rookie free agent who until the Jets game had 4 straight games with a TD. Morris saw limited action against the Jets, but the Pats were forced to throw the ball that game anyway since they were behind. Another undrafted rookie, Gary Guyton, has been a regular at linebacker. I don't think any team can lose a Brady and really succeed, and Matt Cassel has been a very pleasant surprise. A team with even an average starting QB would still be screwed if they lost him in the first game of the year.


Right now I'm watching the Pittsburgh/Chargers game. I remember when Steeler fans thought Roethlisberger was better than Brady, what a joke.
 
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Right now I'm watching the Pittsburgh/Chargers game. I remember when Steeler fans thought Roethlisberger was better than Brady, what a joke.[/QUOTE]

:applause: Ha only Steeler Fans would think that.
 
Why do other cities insist on playing Shipping up to BOSTON in their stadiums? Whats next, New York, New York?

I mean, I could see some humor in it if a team like the Pittsburgh Pirates did it, who ship their best players up to Boston or New York on a regular basis. We're Shipping Bay to Boston!
 
Umm the Steelers game. First of all, why would they even have an extra point kick if the clock reached 0? Second, where was this illegal forward pass? That should've been a touchdown.
 
[quote name='gokou36']Umm the Steelers game. First of all, why would they even have an extra point kick if the clock reached 0? Second, where was this illegal forward pass? That should've been a touchdown.[/quote]


I was wondering the same thing. It's almost like the refs felt bad for the Chargers and didn't want the TD to count b/c it was adding insult to injury so they review the play and say "let's get the fuck outta here umm illegal forward pass! Yeah that's it! That will nullify the play, the TD doesn't count, and no PAT needed."
 
[quote name='SoulReaver']This. Every week they piss me off more and more.[/QUOTE]

Can't be more frustrating than being a Chargers fan....
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']but they said the penalty was declined and ruled it a TD! Friggin' a, I hate when Refs make shit more complicated than it actually is.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I forgot to mention that too. They call a TD and then all of a sudden the score is back to 11-10, wtf was that all about? Oh and that interception by Palomalu(sp) should've been overturned. The tip of the ball did touch the ground. Like I said before, the NFL needs better cameras because they're not getting the calls correct or have more than just the head ref to make the decision.
 
[quote name='gokou36']Yeah I forgot to mention that too. They call a TD and then all of a sudden the score is back to 11-10, wtf was that all about? Oh and that interception by Palomalu(sp) should've been overturned. The tip of the ball did touch the ground. Like I said before, the NFL needs better cameras because they're not getting the calls correct or have more than just the head ref to make the decision.[/quote]

From one angle, it looked like the tip may have touched. From another angle, it looked like the tip didn't touch at all. Either way, the evidence wasn't conclusive enough to overturn the call.
 
[quote name='primetime']From one angle, it looked like the tip may have touched. From another angle, it looked like the tip didn't touch at all. Either way, the evidence wasn't conclusive enough to overturn the call.[/QUOTE]

Uhh no, it DID touch the ground at that one angle you're talking about. I saw the play before it was replayed and I thought it had touched the ground. After watching that angle it definitely touched it. The CBS guy at the end even thought it touched it too. Looks like Vegas called the refs and told them no TD at the end!

Oh and lol at McNabb, Westbrook and some of the eagles who didn't know that you can tie in the NFL.
 
[quote name='gokou36']Uhh no, it DID touch the ground at that one angle you're talking about. I saw the play before it was replayed and I thought it had touched the ground. After watching that angle it definitely touched it. The CBS guy at the end even thought it touched it too. Looks like Vegas called the refs and told them no TD at the end!

Oh and lol at McNabb, Westbrook and some of the eagles who didn't know that you can tie in the NFL.[/quote]

Still don't think it was conclusive enough to overturn. And if it was a bad call, Pittsburgh got bit by karma with that PI call soon after.
 
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