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Man, the Lakers just seem hell bent on pissing everything away. At some point they need to figure out how to play defense. Fisher can't guard anyone anymore, Pau is out of position every time (not to mention his general pussiness), and if Artest is playing such great defense, why is it they constantly have to rotate an extra man to help him out?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']That interference call on the alley-oop off the inbound pass was so much bullshit.[/QUOTE]

Let just say that the refs were very Pro-Laker. The amount of bad calls against Howard... he had in reality 1 foul but somehow got 5... Kobe and Barnes should have both been ejected... that didn't happen... Fisher should of had a technical. This is by far the worst officiating I have ever witnessed. At least, the magic were able to overcome the lakers...err.. refs. Hopefully this crap doesn't happen in the playoffs.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']That's just a b.s. smokescreen for not playing defense. When Pau starts playing like a man, he'll get the ball.[/QUOTE]

You got to be joking. 11 boards (second most in game) and 2 block shots. He helped hold both Lewis and Howard under shooting average :roll: Lakers problem has and always will be Kobe and their bench. Kobe's 12 for 30 shooting didn't help at all when you try to score on 2-3 people.
 
You notice how they were doing pretty well when Kobe was sitting out a couple games? Once he comes in, they just revert to over-dependable again.
 
Their offense has stagnated since Kobe has come back, but their defense has been atrocious for most of the season. Pau is routinely out of position to guard his man (two blocked shots doesn't cancel that out). Fisher and Farmar can't keep anyone in front of them. It's sickening how many easy baskets they give up each game. Yes, they need to move the ball more, but if they'd play some solid defense, they'd be in a better position night in and night out.
 
It comes down to two simple things,

Kobe isn't the same player he's been in the past,

and two?

Bynum and Gasol are pussies.

It's a given this shit will hit the fan when the backcourt of Fisher/Bryant are tougher than Odom/Gasol/Bynum.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard'] Fisher and Farmar can't keep anyone in front of them. It's sickening how many easy baskets they give up each game. [/QUOTE]

Agreed. I've said it before but the PG situation for the Lakers is a turd sandwich and it isn't going to improve. Jarrett Jack with 18-7-7 at Staples. Needing a spectacular 4th quarter and another game winner from Kobe at home against the Raptors who have maybe 8 wins on the road this year really shows some serious weaknesses. With the Mavs, Jazz and Nuggs all playing good ball and 5 games separating what will be the 1-4 seeds this is gonna be an interesting March/April in the west.
 
So because Pau doesn't play good enough defense the Lakers are purposely not giving him the ball so that they will have no flow and hope Kobe can save them out of any situation... that makes a lot of sense for them to do that.
 
[quote name='J7.']So because Pau doesn't play good enough defense the Lakers are purposely not giving him the ball so that they will have no flow and hope Kobe can save them out of any situation... that makes a lot of sense for them to do that.[/QUOTE]

obviously :lol: Actually, I don't know why they've forgotten how to move the ball over the last couple weeks. Zone defenses are absolutely killing them. I'm just frustrated with the overall shitty defense they've been playing most of the season.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Magic crushed the Bulls for their 7th straight win last night. They're gelling and playing well at the right time.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, a senior rec league team could have eeked out a win against the Bulls last night. That team just can't catch a break right now.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Magic crushed the Bulls for their 7th straight win last night. They're gelling and playing well at the right time.[/QUOTE]

If only Van Gundy played Foyle, we would have played the whole roster. :cry:
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Magic crushed the Bulls for their 7th straight win last night. They're gelling and playing well at the right time.[/QUOTE]


And we then get slapped around at home by a team with 9 wins on the road. Nice job boys. Special thanks goes out to Dwight Howard for sinking more than 50% of his free....o wait nope he didn't.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']And we then get slapped around at home by a team with 9 wins on the road. Nice job boys. Special thanks goes out to Dwight Howard for sinking more than 50% of his free....o wait nope he didn't.[/QUOTE]

We live and die by the three (last night: 11-33... not good) and get very lack on defense at times. It will be our downfall in the playoffs again. :( At least Howard kept in competitive with 12-14 shooting and 16 boards... cant say the same about Lewis and Nelson.
 
The problem with the lakers (and lakers fans) is that they over value kobe while ignorantly undervaluing everyone else around him.

Kobe is the all star of that team yes but no one ever seems to remember that time after shaq left when Kobe and co werent even making the play offs. Same Kobe...Same Czar in Phil Jackson....shitty lakers team.

The Lakers are not shit without, Bynum, Gasol, Shaq, Trevor Ariza, Fisher (on more than a couple times) Robert Horry, Odem, (when he is not playing like complete shit) Artest (although his defense hasnt been up to snuff but even a Ron Artest at 50% is better than 90% of the league.) etc.

These are the guys who smashed night in and night out and constantly had to adjust their game to match Kobes mood. Kobe has never won a god damn thing on his own nor will he ever...the only reason why the Lakers stay so dominant is their ability to constantly grab fantastic role players that can check their pride at the door and let kobe ego get stroked.

This why I hate lakers fans, they barely even know about their own team outside of what kobe does. Look at the combined stats of the lakers role players and you will see that most of their wins come from them not kobe 12-33 shooting efforts.
 
Because I know Lakers fans will never actually look up anything that doesnt that Kobe in the title I will do it for you.

Gasol, is average a double double, 17 points 11 rebounds, with almost 4 of the rebounds being offensive. (IE more times kobe can shoot and miss.)

Bynum is just under a double double at 15 and 8 (3 offensive)

Bynum is shooting damn near 60% from the field with gasol over 50% himself. Odem is bring up the rear with 45% which isnt half bad.

So to summarize, you have big men who are snatching boards left and right PLUS making upwards to 60% of all of their shots. And you think that they are pussies? These guys are doing all of the dirty work and they cant even get their names in the paper unless they are talking about kobe. Laker fans are fucking stupid.
 
Ah sood, always there to rip Lakers fans. You know me better than that. I spread the bile equally when it's deserved. When Pau truly plays aggressively, he's an absolutely phenomenal player. My issue with him is that he doesn't always bring that. I mean, Phil's even sat him periodically to stress the point. Odom is the same way. With his size and ability, he could easily be the second best player on the team. He only plays aggressively in spurts. Sure, they put up solid numbers even when they don't push, but the Lakers would be in phenomenal shape if they up the aggression. And yes, Kobe does deserve some of the blame for the offensive stagnation the last couple weeks. But the overall defense is really the issue that is hampering them.
 
Good Warriors loss. One step closer to John Wall.

So evident Kobe's lost a step, Monta Ellis was just toying with him that whole game.
 
[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']Ah sood, always there to rip Lakers fans. You know me better than that. I spread the bile equally when it's deserved. When Pau truly plays aggressively, he's an absolutely phenomenal player. My issue with him is that he doesn't always bring that. I mean, Phil's even sat him periodically to stress the point. Odom is the same way. With his size and ability, he could easily be the second best player on the team. He only plays aggressively in spurts. Sure, they put up solid numbers even when they don't push, but the Lakers would be in phenomenal shape if they up the aggression. And yes, Kobe does deserve some of the blame for the offensive stagnation the last couple weeks. But the overall defense is really the issue that is hampering them.[/QUOTE]

Correction: He deserves all the blame.

[quote name='ph33r m3']Good Warriors loss. One step closer to John Wall.[/QUOTE]

That would be stupid of them since the Warriors desperately need a big man. They already have solid guards (curry, ellis, watson).
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Correction: He deserves all the blame.



That would be stupid of them since the Warriors desperately need a big man. They already have solid guards (curry, ellis, watson).[/QUOTE]

You always draft the BPA. Always.

Ask the Grizz how taking Thabeet over Evans/Curry/Flynn/Jennings is going.

You draft Wall.

Ship off Ellis for a big or ship off Curry.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']And we then get slapped around at home by a team with 9 wins on the road. Nice job boys. Special thanks goes out to Dwight Howard for sinking more than 50% of his free....o wait nope he didn't.[/QUOTE]

And then stomp the Spurs by 26 tonight!
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']You always draft the BPA. Always.

Ask the Grizz how taking Thabeet over Evans/Curry/Flynn/Jennings is going.

You draft Wall.

Ship off Ellis for a big or ship off Curry.[/QUOTE]

Chris Wallace FTW

Yeah I'm still regretting that we didn't get Reke or Curry. The pick really made no sense as Gasol looked really impressive in the summer/rookie season. I thought we would draft Reke.

Bucks look scary since they added Salmons 12-1 with him and could be a playoff nightmare. Have to say the Grizzlies have played pretty well this season. They've made plenty of dumb mistakes at times, but that's what young teams do... that is unless you have the Durantula and Russell Westbrook.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']You always draft the BPA. Always.

Ask the Grizz how taking Thabeet over Evans/Curry/Flynn/Jennings is going.

You draft Wall.

Ship off Ellis for a big or ship off Curry.[/QUOTE]

The Grizz has terrible management. The Grizz with any of those players would still look terrible. Thabeet (to me) was drafted to fill the backup void since Gasol had a good rookie season. In the two games he has started he looked fairly good. Granted, the Warriors management hasn't been that much better by benching the most underrated player in Anthony Randolph (before injury) and trading/letting players walk in their prime. Ellis isn't worth anything...he is a headcase. Trading Curry wont accomplish anything. Ask the Knicks how it is to be terrible (since Ewing era) because they have a guard roster 6-7 deep with true lack of good big man.

Though, I should thank the Warriors for mistreating Barnes and Pietrus so much that they came to play for the Magic :D
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Warriors haven't been worth a damn since the Run-TMC days.[/QUOTE]

I gave a damn about the 2006-2007 Warriors =/
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Another nice win for the Magic tonight, dominating the Mavs on the road.[/QUOTE]

Real nice. Howard with 20 boards and 5 blocks... how is this man not in the running for MVP... Hope we can play like this the whole playoffs.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Real nice. Howard with 20 boards and 5 blocks... how is this man not in the running for MVP... Hope we can play like this the whole playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Team is very deep and he doesn't score a ton compared to Lebron, Durant, Kobe.

He's a great player, but the Magic would win more games without him than the Cavs, Thunder or Lakers would without those 3, which is the way I look at the MVP award as it's not a most outstanding/best player award.
 
The Magic wouldn't win more games than the Lakers if the Magic were without Dwight/Lakers were without Kobe. Lakers would still likely make the playoffs (Pau was the centerpiece of a 50 win team in Memphis), while the Magic's defense would turn from really good to tragically bad, and their rebounding would go from average to non-existent.

In short, Kobe's really good, but he's colossally overrated. Dwight's really good, and a little underrated.
 
Anyone see David Lee's stats last night? I know it was Knicks v Warriors and a ton of players had a great scoring night, but Lee's line was 37 pts, 20 rebs, 10 asts, and a blk.
 
Yeah, his fantasy owner in my league is up against me this week. Thankfully, I have Durant, Brook Lopez, Camby (dude dropped him for Drew Gooden last month), and Westbrook, and Iggy and Jrue Holliday went off today, so I'll be okay.

I have the feeling that he'll get 10+ million a year in his contract, and whatever team ends up with him will regret paying that much about one week into next season.

Manu has been white phosphorous since the All-Star break.
 
What's everyone's opinions on the bottom of the eastern conference's playoff picture? I'm hoping the Bulls can sneak in, but right now they're 1.5 behind the Raptors, and the Raptors have the tiebraker.
 
Raptors beat the Sixers despite Iggy's and Holliday's outbursts, so the Bulls are 2 back.

The eighth seed is getting swept, doesn't matter if it's Toronto or Chicago. They should just shelve Noah, Gibson and Deng for the season and let them recover for next year. Not signing Amare would be a smart move, too; they need low post offense, but not at the expense of rebounding and defense.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Raptors beat the Sixers despite Iggy's and Holliday's outbursts, so the Bulls are 2 back.

The eighth seed is getting swept, doesn't matter if it's Toronto or Chicago. They should just shelve Noah, Gibson and Deng for the season and let them recover for next year. Not signing Amare would be a smart move, too; they need low post offense, but not at the expense of rebounding and defense.[/QUOTE]

Honestly I know that the best they'd do in 8th is a 4-1 exit. But their target is Bosh this offseason, and I think they need to be able to say "we've been in the Playoffs 5 of the last 6 years, and have Rose and Noah, and are a top 3 market in the NBA and a 30 year sellout streak" to compete with Miami in the free agent market. I really don't understand why ESPN thinks free agents will have a boner for New York. But Miami has Wade, girls in bikinis and extremley small shorts, beach, weather, top 5 market, the fact that shaq played there and they still have some extra "fans" from left over from that, etc.
 
The Bulls just beat the Bobcats 96-88. Chicago led by 7-9 points for most of the game before going down 6 to Charlotte to start the 4th. But they came right back and regained the lead, beating the 7 seed and keeping their playoff hopes alive. Are the Bulls even still trying to make the playoffs, though?
 
Is it rediculous that I honestly and truly believe the single biggest factor in deciding where the star free agents will go is the girls of Miami? That will be everybodies first choice because of the bikinis and extremley small shorts.
 
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