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[quote name='Clak']Most people can't handle being shown that an organization they belong(ed) to has done something wrong, least of all current/former military. And woe be thee who dares do it in a public space. Doesn't matter if you're right, you'll end up apologizing for it.[/QUOTE]
Did somebody on here "show" where the military has specifically done something wrong? (That is rhetorical as I know you have nothing REAL to say) There are many things it has done wrong. I could easily name a few right off and give the facts, details, and explanation of the wrong/s. As I am sure others here could as well. That has not happened here.
I wouldn't expect the source of the "pretty spot on" and "elitist" comments about an idiotic childish blog entry to understand that much less say anything remotely resembling intelligent thought about it.
I have come to expect you NOT to post anything of value on a subject just take cowardly shots, as usual. I have come to expect nothing more from you either then to jump onto a side "just because" without actually saying anything remotely intelligent or of substance on the matter being discussed.
I get you don't like me as this isn't your first cowardly idiotic comment directed but not directly (ie cowardly ie you) made towards me but at least try to grow up and get some balls (so to speak) about it. I know you wont add anything of substance to the conversation but at least grow a pair if you are going to continue taking childish shots at me.
Did somebody on here "show" where the military has specifically done something wrong? (That is rhetorical as I know you have nothing REAL to say) There are many things it has done wrong. I could easily name a few right off and give the facts, details, and explanation of the wrong/s. As I am sure others here could as well. That has not happened here.
I wouldn't expect the source of the "pretty spot on" and "elitist" comments about an idiotic childish blog entry to understand that much less say anything remotely resembling intelligent thought about it.
I have come to expect you NOT to post anything of value on a subject just take cowardly shots, as usual. I have come to expect nothing more from you either then to jump onto a side "just because" without actually saying anything remotely intelligent or of substance on the matter being discussed.
I get you don't like me as this isn't your first cowardly idiotic comment directed but not directly (ie cowardly ie you) made towards me but at least try to grow up and get some balls (so to speak) about it. I know you wont add anything of substance to the conversation but at least grow a pair if you are going to continue taking childish shots at me.
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I can't believe how hard you're trolling pliskin101
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So which of the above supports your claim of white privledge? Do tell.
I can go on but it is a guessing game as to why you made such a crazy statement with no facts or even some bs philosophy or theory or anything else for that matter to back it up but still claim it and claim it as fact.
So do you have something to actually say other than your crazy statement and weird reference that means NOTHING at all or do you just want to stick with your claim and belief "just because" or "just because you say so"?
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You're the one playing a game. None of these statements are true
None of them
I'm going to try one more time. But all I'm doing is repeating myself.
In 1993 Task Force Ranger: A unit composed of Bravo Company 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta ("Delta Force") 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) ("The Night Stalkers") Participated in the battle of Mogadishu.
Out of 160 Elite Soldiers , 2 of them were black.
That is a fact.
The military is the perfect example of the beneficiaries of white privilege due to institutionalized racism.
Why would I say such a thing? See: Above Fact ^ ^^^
White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
Again , Not "because I say so" See the above fact for reference
If you dont have anything to offer other than "Thats Bullshit" Our conversation has run its course.
If this was a formal debate. You would lose that debate.
If this was a trial in a court of Law , You'd lose that case..
It's like some kind of My Cousin Vinny moment "Your honor , everything that guy just said is bullshit"
So which of the above supports your claim of white privledge? Do tell.
I can go on but it is a guessing game as to why you made such a crazy statement with no facts or even some bs philosophy or theory or anything else for that matter to back it up but still claim it and claim it as fact.
So do you have something to actually say other than your crazy statement and weird reference that means NOTHING at all or do you just want to stick with your claim and belief "just because" or "just because you say so"?
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You're the one playing a game. None of these statements are true
None of them
I'm going to try one more time. But all I'm doing is repeating myself.
In 1993 Task Force Ranger: A unit composed of Bravo Company 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta ("Delta Force") 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) ("The Night Stalkers") Participated in the battle of Mogadishu.
Out of 160 Elite Soldiers , 2 of them were black.
That is a fact.
The military is the perfect example of the beneficiaries of white privilege due to institutionalized racism.
Why would I say such a thing? See: Above Fact ^ ^^^
White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
Again , Not "because I say so" See the above fact for reference
If you dont have anything to offer other than "Thats Bullshit" Our conversation has run its course.
If this was a formal debate. You would lose that debate.
If this was a trial in a court of Law , You'd lose that case..
It's like some kind of My Cousin Vinny moment "Your honor , everything that guy just said is bullshit"
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[quote name='perdition(troy']I can't believe how hard you're trolling pliskin101[/QUOTE]
At least you weren't a coward about it.
Now explain to me why me responding to someone who continues to take childish shots at me is trolling. If anything you should be saying to me ignore it/them as THEY are trolling you. Try directing your comment where it belongs or make it appropriate.
Thanks for nothing and have a good day now.
edit: I have just learned something from, well me (haha), and that is you are trolling just like clak and I really need to stop responding to you trolls.
At least you weren't a coward about it.
Now explain to me why me responding to someone who continues to take childish shots at me is trolling. If anything you should be saying to me ignore it/them as THEY are trolling you. Try directing your comment where it belongs or make it appropriate.
Thanks for nothing and have a good day now.
edit: I have just learned something from, well me (haha), and that is you are trolling just like clak and I really need to stop responding to you trolls.
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[quote name='EdRyder']You're the one playing a game. None of these statements are true
None of them
I'm going to try one more time. But all I'm doing is repeating myself.
In 1993 Task Force Ranger: A unit composed of Bravo Company 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta ("Delta Force") 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) ("The Night Stalkers") Participated in the battle of Mogadishu.
Out of 160 Elite Soldiers , 2 of them were black.
That is a fact.
The military is the perfect example of the beneficiaries of white privilege due to institutionalized racism.
Why would I say such a thing? See: Above Fact ^ ^^^
White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
Again , Not "because I say so" See the above fact for reference
If you dont have anything to offer other than "Thats Bullshit" Our conversation has run its course.
If this was a formal debate. You would lose that debate.
If this was a trial in a court of Law , You'd lose that case..
It's like some kind of My Cousin Vinny moment "Your honor , everything that guy just said is bullshit"[/QUOTE]
Now I can't tell if you are trolling or just stupid.
Your fact about the make up of the soldiers in the 1993 task force ranger again says nothing or means NOTHING the way you are using it or adds nothing to your "just because I say it" BS. If you are VAGUELY (extremely vaguely) trying to use that make up as your backing to your wide and broad ignorant idiotic statement/claim about white privilege and the military well it is an epic fail.
"White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
Again , Not "because I say so" See the above fact for reference"
Again a broad implication by you that is really just an opinion that has no backing in reality or FACT. Which you have offered no backing or fact or explanation in detail to it because you CAN'T. It boils down to nothing more than just another lie and false claim by you. That is okay I am wrong here as well I falsely assumed you might have some intelligence instead you just keep going to "just because" and "just because I say so" and "just because I believe it". Oh and sorry "cuz task force ranger!!"
"If you dont have anything to offer other than "Thats Bullshit" Our conversation has run its course."
As I said before, I was (and still am) left at just guessing at what the hell it is you are thinking, reasoning and why outside of you saying "white privilege and the military just because" so I made a list of FACTS that actually addresses and counters that wide ignorant swath of a statement/claim you made. If that long list of facts and the other things I offered in that long post of mine is not offering anything (in your opinion) then using that reasoning with your posts and what you have said/vaguely claimed we are left with the inevitable conclusion that YOU HAVE OFFERED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL.
I will assume you are done here as you just want to keep yelling white privilege and military as your ignorant belief based on nothing more than "JUST BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE AND SAY, SO THERE NANNY NANNY BOO BOO".
I can't debate your (false) beliefs that are deep in your brain and kept hidden and based on what only god and you know you are thinking and why.
You can just keep saying that is what you think, believe, claim with nothing more and call that a win if you want. I guess it is as how does one argue with NOTHING of substance and what is HIDDEN and ones vague belief?
Believe away EdRyder for no other reason then just to believe.
None of them
I'm going to try one more time. But all I'm doing is repeating myself.
In 1993 Task Force Ranger: A unit composed of Bravo Company 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta ("Delta Force") 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) ("The Night Stalkers") Participated in the battle of Mogadishu.
Out of 160 Elite Soldiers , 2 of them were black.
That is a fact.
The military is the perfect example of the beneficiaries of white privilege due to institutionalized racism.
Why would I say such a thing? See: Above Fact ^ ^^^
White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
Again , Not "because I say so" See the above fact for reference
If you dont have anything to offer other than "Thats Bullshit" Our conversation has run its course.
If this was a formal debate. You would lose that debate.
If this was a trial in a court of Law , You'd lose that case..
It's like some kind of My Cousin Vinny moment "Your honor , everything that guy just said is bullshit"[/QUOTE]
Now I can't tell if you are trolling or just stupid.
Your fact about the make up of the soldiers in the 1993 task force ranger again says nothing or means NOTHING the way you are using it or adds nothing to your "just because I say it" BS. If you are VAGUELY (extremely vaguely) trying to use that make up as your backing to your wide and broad ignorant idiotic statement/claim about white privilege and the military well it is an epic fail.
"White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
Again , Not "because I say so" See the above fact for reference"
Again a broad implication by you that is really just an opinion that has no backing in reality or FACT. Which you have offered no backing or fact or explanation in detail to it because you CAN'T. It boils down to nothing more than just another lie and false claim by you. That is okay I am wrong here as well I falsely assumed you might have some intelligence instead you just keep going to "just because" and "just because I say so" and "just because I believe it". Oh and sorry "cuz task force ranger!!"
"If you dont have anything to offer other than "Thats Bullshit" Our conversation has run its course."
As I said before, I was (and still am) left at just guessing at what the hell it is you are thinking, reasoning and why outside of you saying "white privilege and the military just because" so I made a list of FACTS that actually addresses and counters that wide ignorant swath of a statement/claim you made. If that long list of facts and the other things I offered in that long post of mine is not offering anything (in your opinion) then using that reasoning with your posts and what you have said/vaguely claimed we are left with the inevitable conclusion that YOU HAVE OFFERED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL.
I will assume you are done here as you just want to keep yelling white privilege and military as your ignorant belief based on nothing more than "JUST BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE AND SAY, SO THERE NANNY NANNY BOO BOO".
I can't debate your (false) beliefs that are deep in your brain and kept hidden and based on what only god and you know you are thinking and why.
You can just keep saying that is what you think, believe, claim with nothing more and call that a win if you want. I guess it is as how does one argue with NOTHING of substance and what is HIDDEN and ones vague belief?
Believe away EdRyder for no other reason then just to believe.
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I can because I did.
I cited a fact.
The only recourse you have at your disposal is to respond that it doesn't mean anything.
But its a fact.
Facts mean something Pliskin. Demographics and disproportional math mean something. The cause of those disproportional demographics mean something.
The science aint out on math.
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[quote name='EdRyder']I can because I did.
I cited a fact.
The only recourse you have at your disposal is to respond that it doesn't mean anything.
But its a fact.
Facts mean something Pliskin. Demographics and disproportional math mean something. The cause of those disproportional demographics mean something.
The science aint out on math.[/QUOTE]
There is tuna in my cabinet. Evolution is not real.
There I cited a fact and fact means something ed. ("I offered something" just like you LOL)
A little community in teler in the middle of the country side has all black people and no white people. That is an example of black privilege and the country. There now I believe and claim that all country sides and all country settings are black privilege including that community. ("I offered something....I can because I did" just like you LOL)
You see how that works? Probably not.
Do you really want to keep going along these ridiculous lines?
As I said take your win that you believe what you believe and your belief is FACT in your brain. Right? It's what you believe and that is fact and cannot be argued.
take care and believe away.
I cited a fact.
The only recourse you have at your disposal is to respond that it doesn't mean anything.
But its a fact.
Facts mean something Pliskin. Demographics and disproportional math mean something. The cause of those disproportional demographics mean something.
The science aint out on math.[/QUOTE]
There is tuna in my cabinet. Evolution is not real.
There I cited a fact and fact means something ed. ("I offered something" just like you LOL)
A little community in teler in the middle of the country side has all black people and no white people. That is an example of black privilege and the country. There now I believe and claim that all country sides and all country settings are black privilege including that community. ("I offered something....I can because I did" just like you LOL)
You see how that works? Probably not.
Do you really want to keep going along these ridiculous lines?
As I said take your win that you believe what you believe and your belief is FACT in your brain. Right? It's what you believe and that is fact and cannot be argued.
take care and believe away.
Hhahaa...holy shit, this is surreal.
I'm gonna help you out here Pliskin because you're obviously struggling to stay focused.
All that stuff that you've been talking about doesn't explain the lack of diversity within that unit when the armed forces, as a whole, isn't reflected there. You need to explain what makes that particular unit different. Talking about tuna cans disproving evolution doesn't help your point and neither does referencing a community of all black people. Your post is an incoherent mess.
I'm gonna help you out here Pliskin because you're obviously struggling to stay focused.
All that stuff that you've been talking about doesn't explain the lack of diversity within that unit when the armed forces, as a whole, isn't reflected there. You need to explain what makes that particular unit different. Talking about tuna cans disproving evolution doesn't help your point and neither does referencing a community of all black people. Your post is an incoherent mess.
[quote name='Pliskin101']There is tuna in my cabinet. Evolution is not real.
There I cited a fact and fact means something ed.
In a little community in teler in the middle of the country side has all black people and no white people. That is an example of black privilege and the country. There now I believe that all country sides and all country settings are black privilege including that community.
You see how that works? Probably not.
Do you really want to keep going along these ridiculous lines?
As I said take your win that you believe what you believe and your belief is FACT in your brain. Right? It's what you believe and that is fact and cannot be argued.
take care and believe away.[/QUOTE]
You cant have it both ways Pliskin:
Go back to the start of the discussion: Clak posted that piece about white privilege which used video games 'easy setting' as a corollary.
You didn't care for that corollary. You thought it idiotic in fact.
I tried to tell Clak I didn't care for it either, Not for the same reasons as you. But because I think you can use real world events to describe the issue better than a fictional universe.
Now you dont care for that either and find it easier to concoct a fictitious example(The corollary you yourself didnt care for).
There I cited a fact and fact means something ed.
In a little community in teler in the middle of the country side has all black people and no white people. That is an example of black privilege and the country. There now I believe that all country sides and all country settings are black privilege including that community.
You see how that works? Probably not.
Do you really want to keep going along these ridiculous lines?
As I said take your win that you believe what you believe and your belief is FACT in your brain. Right? It's what you believe and that is fact and cannot be argued.
take care and believe away.[/QUOTE]
You cant have it both ways Pliskin:
Go back to the start of the discussion: Clak posted that piece about white privilege which used video games 'easy setting' as a corollary.
You didn't care for that corollary. You thought it idiotic in fact.
I tried to tell Clak I didn't care for it either, Not for the same reasons as you. But because I think you can use real world events to describe the issue better than a fictional universe.
Now you dont care for that either and find it easier to concoct a fictitious example(The corollary you yourself didnt care for).
So this quote....^ In your view , thats what I did? I didnt use a military reference to outline that the military is a form of Institutionalized racism?
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[quote name='dohdough']Hhahaa...holy shit, this is surreal.
I'm gonna help you out here Pliskin because you're obviously struggling to stay focused.
All that stuff that you've been talking about doesn't explain the lack of diversity within that unit when the armed forces, as a whole, isn't reflected there. You need to explain what makes that particular unit different. Talking about tuna cans disproving evolution doesn't help your point and neither does referencing a community of all black people. Your post is an incoherent mess.[/QUOTE]
Pliskin is hopeless, it's like playing chess with a pigeon.
I'm gonna help you out here Pliskin because you're obviously struggling to stay focused.
All that stuff that you've been talking about doesn't explain the lack of diversity within that unit when the armed forces, as a whole, isn't reflected there. You need to explain what makes that particular unit different. Talking about tuna cans disproving evolution doesn't help your point and neither does referencing a community of all black people. Your post is an incoherent mess.[/QUOTE]
Pliskin is hopeless, it's like playing chess with a pigeon.
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This isn't a definition. I asked how many Asians would be too much.[/quote]I don't have a definition of too much because I don't think there are too many Asians in college. But over-representation would be anything above their general representation in the population of a particular region. So in the UC system, which primarily serves California and has a preference for CA residents, Asians represent 40% of the student body (2008), but they are 13% of the CA population. Of course, CA has the most Asians of any state in the nation. You probably won't see this happen in Louisiana.
[quote name='dohdough']
What makes you think that all the white students are equally qualified to be at those institutions? You think that there aren't white students that don't have similar applications to affirmative action admits? Hell, those white students probably outnumber them.
[/QUOTE]They're not equally qualified, but the vast majority are probably qualified. I don't know exactly what you mean by "white students that don't have similar applications to affirmative action admits." If I go with my intuition, then my answer is that once you start awarding points for "hardship" and "adversity," every application is going to read like a soap opera. I'm not surprised that applicants are doing anything they can to cry crocodile tears on their applications.
Also, the problem of legacy admits is a very small one. This whole idea of white privilege is real in some sense, but it is such an inconsequential problem that only benefits perhaps .5% to 1% of whites (I don't have the white privilege membership rolls in front of me).
And if we have a problem with legacy admits, we should have a problem with this idea that you are most likely to get a job based on who you know. It's the old Chris Rock (I think) routine, "Everybody here got their job because you knew someone in the company." But this idea is celebrated and exploited by all classes for all its worth.
This isn't a definition. I asked how many Asians would be too much.[/quote]I don't have a definition of too much because I don't think there are too many Asians in college. But over-representation would be anything above their general representation in the population of a particular region. So in the UC system, which primarily serves California and has a preference for CA residents, Asians represent 40% of the student body (2008), but they are 13% of the CA population. Of course, CA has the most Asians of any state in the nation. You probably won't see this happen in Louisiana.
I never said otherwise and used the correct terminology, that is, proportion.
We've eliminated overt affirmative action and it hasn't done much to destroy diversity at colleges in California. Actually, diversity increased. I use CA as an example because we can say some things about Prop 209, which banned AA. There are still ways to get around it, but it can only account for 25% of the score applicants get on their applications.
It's not racist to feel that affirmative action is a bad thing.
White females don't need affirmative action. Nobody does. Female gains were largely the result of changing cultural attitudes, a desire to have less children and an increased desire to work. On a strictly merit-based system, women would probably represent 75% of college students.
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What makes you think that all the white students are equally qualified to be at those institutions? You think that there aren't white students that don't have similar applications to affirmative action admits? Hell, those white students probably outnumber them.
[/QUOTE]They're not equally qualified, but the vast majority are probably qualified. I don't know exactly what you mean by "white students that don't have similar applications to affirmative action admits." If I go with my intuition, then my answer is that once you start awarding points for "hardship" and "adversity," every application is going to read like a soap opera. I'm not surprised that applicants are doing anything they can to cry crocodile tears on their applications.
Also, the problem of legacy admits is a very small one. This whole idea of white privilege is real in some sense, but it is such an inconsequential problem that only benefits perhaps .5% to 1% of whites (I don't have the white privilege membership rolls in front of me).
And if we have a problem with legacy admits, we should have a problem with this idea that you are most likely to get a job based on who you know. It's the old Chris Rock (I think) routine, "Everybody here got their job because you knew someone in the company." But this idea is celebrated and exploited by all classes for all its worth.
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[quote name='dohdough']Hhahaa...holy shit, this is surreal.
I'm gonna help you out here Pliskin because you're obviously struggling to stay focused.
All that stuff that you've been talking about doesn't explain the lack of diversity within that unit when the armed forces, as a whole, isn't reflected there. You need to explain what makes that particular unit different. Talking about tuna cans disproving evolution doesn't help your point and neither does referencing a community of all black people. Your post is an incoherent mess.[/QUOTE]
No I am focused just fine I would say he is not. He said white privilege in the military and meant as a whole and overall and even now. He said the make up of task force ranger is why he said and believes that ridiculous crap and as some ridiculous back up to that ridiculous overall claim/belief. That task force ranger statement does not address the white privilege military statement at all. Not even close. He doesn't even say within that 1993 unit alone that there was white privilege and explain why that is his belief with explanation and fact. Without even that then he ignorantly continued to draw an imaginary line based on LITERALLY NOTHING to the military and white privilege as a whole... current and old off of one example of nothing.
If you are helping anyone it is ED by narrowing it down from some blanket belief/claim based on nothing more than that is what he believes. It was his incoherent mess I was left to deal with and guessing at to why he believes his false belief that was incoherent and what the hell it was he was saying outside of white privilege and the military and Mogadishu.
If you want to narrow it down to the diversity of force in 1993 as a topic that is one thing and I actually addressed most of that with my list of what he might be thinking or getting at. Yes it addressed THAT as well as white privledge. Should I quote the list? I know you hate it when I quote myself.
If you don't understand that NOTHING ED offered aided his false belief claim and my sarcasm with tuna cans and a hill community about that I can't help you or him. If my FACTS and STATS aren't clear as to the ACTUAL make up of troops and why then I can't help you.
I could help both of you and narrow it down even further to a certain aspect and certain specific area of the military that with a big stretch of the imagination might be viewed as possibly slightly racist at best (and as I said with a big stretch) but nowhere near any example of Ed's ridiculous claim or white privilege at all.
He needs to back up his white privilege military bullshit and can't because it is just that BS.
I countered it and addressed it in detail with fact and reality. He has not and not even close not even in that force itself or the military wholly not in ANY stretch of the imagination.
I'm gonna help you out here Pliskin because you're obviously struggling to stay focused.
All that stuff that you've been talking about doesn't explain the lack of diversity within that unit when the armed forces, as a whole, isn't reflected there. You need to explain what makes that particular unit different. Talking about tuna cans disproving evolution doesn't help your point and neither does referencing a community of all black people. Your post is an incoherent mess.[/QUOTE]
No I am focused just fine I would say he is not. He said white privilege in the military and meant as a whole and overall and even now. He said the make up of task force ranger is why he said and believes that ridiculous crap and as some ridiculous back up to that ridiculous overall claim/belief. That task force ranger statement does not address the white privilege military statement at all. Not even close. He doesn't even say within that 1993 unit alone that there was white privilege and explain why that is his belief with explanation and fact. Without even that then he ignorantly continued to draw an imaginary line based on LITERALLY NOTHING to the military and white privilege as a whole... current and old off of one example of nothing.
If you are helping anyone it is ED by narrowing it down from some blanket belief/claim based on nothing more than that is what he believes. It was his incoherent mess I was left to deal with and guessing at to why he believes his false belief that was incoherent and what the hell it was he was saying outside of white privilege and the military and Mogadishu.
If you want to narrow it down to the diversity of force in 1993 as a topic that is one thing and I actually addressed most of that with my list of what he might be thinking or getting at. Yes it addressed THAT as well as white privledge. Should I quote the list? I know you hate it when I quote myself.
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But lets play anyway. First your white privilege statement by itself is nothing. Second the Mogadishu demographics you offered is nothing addressing the statement about white privilege either. That is not an example of anything.
I have to ASSUME what you are thinking and why? That leaves me at a disadvantage as only you know what you are thinking and why except for the blanket statement and a reference to Mogadishu.
So okay I will try. Maybe you are saying that because by stats historically after 1970 that more (at most times) white people are on the frontlines (GRUNTS or the shitty jobs) and die on the frontlines than black people and that also more black people serve in (proportional or representational wise) administration and support roles than whites in comparison to those frontlines and that is somehow white privilege (I am talking proportionally/representational)?
Or that enlisted troops are slightly more likely to be white then black?
Or that in the officer corps that blacks are slightly overrepresented (but has been in decline since about 2003 but there are many factors why) and whites are proportionally underrepresented?
Or that enlisted come mainly from middle to upper middle class and are overrepresented while low-income is underrepresented?
Education maybe? But that perception is wrong as enlisted military are not poorly educated.
Maybe something along the lines of culture and city enlistees vs country enlistees and the difference in the onset of military skill sets such as shooting and survival etc?
So which of the above supports your claim of white privledge? Do tell.
I can go on but it is a guessing game as to why you made such a crazy statement with no facts or even some bs philosophy or theory or anything else for that matter to back it up but still claim it and claim it as fact.
Again is it a white privilege that the proportions/representation (white and black) of combat (the shitty jobs) troops and deaths are not proportional/representative and are in favor of black people in most of military history since 1970?
So do you have something to actually say other than your crazy statement and weird reference that means NOTHING at all or do you just want to stick with your claim and belief "just because" or "just because you say so"?
edit: would you prefer more black people die in proportion/representation to their numbers rather than being the ones by numbers making the smarter career choices at the onset that helps them in and out of the military?[/QUOTE]
But lets play anyway. First your white privilege statement by itself is nothing. Second the Mogadishu demographics you offered is nothing addressing the statement about white privilege either. That is not an example of anything.
I have to ASSUME what you are thinking and why? That leaves me at a disadvantage as only you know what you are thinking and why except for the blanket statement and a reference to Mogadishu.
So okay I will try. Maybe you are saying that because by stats historically after 1970 that more (at most times) white people are on the frontlines (GRUNTS or the shitty jobs) and die on the frontlines than black people and that also more black people serve in (proportional or representational wise) administration and support roles than whites in comparison to those frontlines and that is somehow white privilege (I am talking proportionally/representational)?
Or that enlisted troops are slightly more likely to be white then black?
Or that in the officer corps that blacks are slightly overrepresented (but has been in decline since about 2003 but there are many factors why) and whites are proportionally underrepresented?
Or that enlisted come mainly from middle to upper middle class and are overrepresented while low-income is underrepresented?
Education maybe? But that perception is wrong as enlisted military are not poorly educated.
Maybe something along the lines of culture and city enlistees vs country enlistees and the difference in the onset of military skill sets such as shooting and survival etc?
So which of the above supports your claim of white privledge? Do tell.
I can go on but it is a guessing game as to why you made such a crazy statement with no facts or even some bs philosophy or theory or anything else for that matter to back it up but still claim it and claim it as fact.
Again is it a white privilege that the proportions/representation (white and black) of combat (the shitty jobs) troops and deaths are not proportional/representative and are in favor of black people in most of military history since 1970?
So do you have something to actually say other than your crazy statement and weird reference that means NOTHING at all or do you just want to stick with your claim and belief "just because" or "just because you say so"?
edit: would you prefer more black people die in proportion/representation to their numbers rather than being the ones by numbers making the smarter career choices at the onset that helps them in and out of the military?[/QUOTE]
If you don't understand that NOTHING ED offered aided his false belief claim and my sarcasm with tuna cans and a hill community about that I can't help you or him. If my FACTS and STATS aren't clear as to the ACTUAL make up of troops and why then I can't help you.
I could help both of you and narrow it down even further to a certain aspect and certain specific area of the military that with a big stretch of the imagination might be viewed as possibly slightly racist at best (and as I said with a big stretch) but nowhere near any example of Ed's ridiculous claim or white privilege at all.
He needs to back up his white privilege military bullshit and can't because it is just that BS.
I countered it and addressed it in detail with fact and reality. He has not and not even close not even in that force itself or the military wholly not in ANY stretch of the imagination.
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"I could help both of you and narrow it down even further to a certain aspect and certain specific area of the military that with a big stretch of the imagination might be viewed as possibly slightly racist at best (and as I said with a big stretch) but nowhere near any example of Ed's ridiculous claim or white privilege at all. "
Sorry the above was vague so I will add to it that...why should I say what that is? I think you could figure it out DD (yeah yeah that is sort of a compliment). A hint is it has nothing to do with this by ED
[quote name='EdRyder']
White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
[/QUOTE]
I did notice though ED used the past tense..."was" and "were". Which means then and is no longer. Before 1970 yes after NO which I addressed thoroughly. But anyway that is not what I am referring too.
BTW you all seem to think that somehow I am defending white folk in some sort of privilege where I am actually slightly putting them down and am proud of the make up and choices as reflected by representation across the board in the military of black people and I have and am backing that up with fact. Black people are making (and are not kept by the military from that at all.. in anyway) the smarter choices in the military short-term and long-term for themselves in all ways. So in that you all are funny as hell in how you read into it something else.
Keep tearing it/me down with nothing but childish shots as you are the ones putting down black folks with your BS and false perceptions.
Get it yet people? Read what I have OFFERED in FACT and STATS and opinion. Hello??!!!
Sorry the above was vague so I will add to it that...why should I say what that is? I think you could figure it out DD (yeah yeah that is sort of a compliment). A hint is it has nothing to do with this by ED
[quote name='EdRyder']
White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
[/QUOTE]
I did notice though ED used the past tense..."was" and "were". Which means then and is no longer. Before 1970 yes after NO which I addressed thoroughly. But anyway that is not what I am referring too.
BTW you all seem to think that somehow I am defending white folk in some sort of privilege where I am actually slightly putting them down and am proud of the make up and choices as reflected by representation across the board in the military of black people and I have and am backing that up with fact. Black people are making (and are not kept by the military from that at all.. in anyway) the smarter choices in the military short-term and long-term for themselves in all ways. So in that you all are funny as hell in how you read into it something else.
Keep tearing it/me down with nothing but childish shots as you are the ones putting down black folks with your BS and false perceptions.
Get it yet people? Read what I have OFFERED in FACT and STATS and opinion. Hello??!!!
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[quote name='Spokker']I don't have a definition of too much because I don't think there are too many Asians in college. But over-representation would be anything above their general representation in the population of a particular region. So in the UC system, which primarily serves California and has a preference for CA residents, Asians represent 40% of the student body (2008), but they are 13% of the CA population. Of course, CA has the most Asians of any state in the nation. You probably won't see this happen in Louisiana.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe there should be fewer white admits into Berkeley instead of just cutting the Asian admits if there need to be more black and Hispanic admits when whites tend to be 60% of all students in higher ed to begin with. College campuses tend to be overwhelmingly white to begin with so bitching about a few more students of color reeks of racism. Constantly shifting goalposts to justify why there should be fewer students of color doesn't change that.
ing bonkers.
Your intuition also leans racist as, so maybe you shouldn't rely on it.
ed when you don't provide affirmative action percentages. And if you're going to use a term like white privilege, at least trouble yourself to learn what it means.
ed.
Or maybe there should be fewer white admits into Berkeley instead of just cutting the Asian admits if there need to be more black and Hispanic admits when whites tend to be 60% of all students in higher ed to begin with. College campuses tend to be overwhelmingly white to begin with so bitching about a few more students of color reeks of racism. Constantly shifting goalposts to justify why there should be fewer students of color doesn't change that.
No, you tried to make it sound like fewer whites were being accepted despite their numbers going up. Trending downward doesn't mean that there are fewer students overall. Stop misrepresenting numbers.
Correlation does not equal causation. UC Berkeley doesn't represent the UC system and the UC system doesn't represent all higher ed institutions in California. Increasing the non-white population also doesn't magically make a place diverse; it only changes it in a superficial way.
It is when you think that any beneficiaries are automatically inferior.
Explain the disparity in STEM fields, glass ceilings, and wage disparity. You act as if there was no Women's Rights Movement. It's
ing bonkers. You're assuming that given a color blind lens, white students would be at the top and black students would be at the bottom because of affirmative action. This is not how affirmative action works.
Your intuition also leans racist as
, so maybe you shouldn't rely on it.I know you're being a facetious asshat, but being a legacy isn't inherent to white privilege. Your numbers on legacy admits are also
ed when you don't provide affirmative action percentages. And if you're going to use a term like white privilege, at least trouble yourself to learn what it means.Your sense of scale is
ed.[quote name='EdRyder']You cant have it both ways Pliskin:
Go back to the start of the discussion: Clak posted that piece about white privilege which used video games 'easy setting' as a corollary.
You didn't care for that corollary. You thought it idiotic in fact.
I tried to tell Clak I didn't care for it either, Not for the same reasons as you. But because I think you can use real world events to describe the issue better than a fictional universe.
Now you dont care for that either and find it easier to concoct a fictitious example(The corollary you yourself didnt care for).
So this quote....^ In your view , thats what I did? I didnt use a military reference to outline that the military is a form of Institutionalized racism?[/QUOTE]I actually didn't post it, just commented on it.
Go back to the start of the discussion: Clak posted that piece about white privilege which used video games 'easy setting' as a corollary.
You didn't care for that corollary. You thought it idiotic in fact.
I tried to tell Clak I didn't care for it either, Not for the same reasons as you. But because I think you can use real world events to describe the issue better than a fictional universe.
Now you dont care for that either and find it easier to concoct a fictitious example(The corollary you yourself didnt care for).
So this quote....^ In your view , thats what I did? I didnt use a military reference to outline that the military is a form of Institutionalized racism?[/QUOTE]I actually didn't post it, just commented on it.
[quote name='Pliskin101']"I could help both of you and narrow it down even further to a certain aspect and certain specific area of the military that with a big stretch of the imagination might be viewed as possibly slightly racist at best (and as I said with a big stretch) but nowhere near any example of Ed's ridiculous claim or white privilege at all. "
Sorry the above was vague so I will add to it that...why should I say what that is? I think you could figure it out DD (yeah yeah that is sort of a compliment). A hint is it has nothing to do with this by ED
I did notice though ED used the past tense..."was" and "were". Which means then and is no longer. Before 1970 yes after NO which I addressed thoroughly. But anyway that is not what I am referring too.
BTW you all seem to think that somehow I am defending white folk in some sort of privilege where I am actually slightly putting them down and am proud of the make up and choices as reflected by representation across the board in the military of black people and I have and am backing that up with fact. Black people are making (and are not kept by the military from that at all.. in anyway) the smarter choices in the military short-term and long-term for themselves in all ways. So in that you all are funny as hell in how you read into it something else.
Keep tearing it/me down with nothing but childish shots as you are the ones putting down black folks with your BS and false perceptions.
Get it yet people? Read what I have OFFERED in FACT and STATS and opinion. Hello??!!![/QUOTE]
What you offered was word for word from the Heritage Foundations Center of Data Analysis 2008 report Titled:"Who serves in the military? Demographic Characteristics of enlisted troops and officers"
Maybe you could've sourced and cited your facts
Sorry the above was vague so I will add to it that...why should I say what that is? I think you could figure it out DD (yeah yeah that is sort of a compliment). A hint is it has nothing to do with this by ED
I did notice though ED used the past tense..."was" and "were". Which means then and is no longer. Before 1970 yes after NO which I addressed thoroughly. But anyway that is not what I am referring too.
BTW you all seem to think that somehow I am defending white folk in some sort of privilege where I am actually slightly putting them down and am proud of the make up and choices as reflected by representation across the board in the military of black people and I have and am backing that up with fact. Black people are making (and are not kept by the military from that at all.. in anyway) the smarter choices in the military short-term and long-term for themselves in all ways. So in that you all are funny as hell in how you read into it something else.
Keep tearing it/me down with nothing but childish shots as you are the ones putting down black folks with your BS and false perceptions.
Get it yet people? Read what I have OFFERED in FACT and STATS and opinion. Hello??!!![/QUOTE]
What you offered was word for word from the Heritage Foundations Center of Data Analysis 2008 report Titled:"Who serves in the military? Demographic Characteristics of enlisted troops and officers"
Maybe you could've sourced and cited your facts
But you didnt READ the report. You read a cherry picked blog/forum post that discussed the report.
[quote name='EdRyder']You're the one playing a game. None of these statements are true
None of them
I'm going to try one more time. But all I'm doing is repeating myself.
In 1993 Task Force Ranger: A unit composed of Bravo Company 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta ("Delta Force") 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) ("The Night Stalkers") Participated in the battle of Mogadishu.
Out of 160 Elite Soldiers , 2 of them were black.
That is a fact.
The military is the perfect example of the beneficiaries of white privilege due to institutionalized racism.
Why would I say such a thing? See: Above Fact ^ ^^^
White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
[/QUOTE]
I don't think that it's sufficient to say that few soldiers that participated in the battle of Mogadishu were black, therefore the military is an example of institutionalized racism. Could other factors be involved? What are the requirements to be an elite soldier? Is it possible that, on average, white solidiers are more likely to meet those requirements?
Also, is it possible that white soldiers are more likely to want to be an elite soldier?
IMO, it's too simple to see that a group is disproportionally represented in something, and then blame racism/sexism/etc. without looking at other factors that could be influencing the statistics. I don't know, maybe the military is a racist institution. I'm just not convinced without a more thorough analysis.
None of them
I'm going to try one more time. But all I'm doing is repeating myself.
In 1993 Task Force Ranger: A unit composed of Bravo Company 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta ("Delta Force") 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) ("The Night Stalkers") Participated in the battle of Mogadishu.
Out of 160 Elite Soldiers , 2 of them were black.
That is a fact.
The military is the perfect example of the beneficiaries of white privilege due to institutionalized racism.
Why would I say such a thing? See: Above Fact ^ ^^^
White officers who have risen through the ranks and obtained their position owe that position to institutionalized racism.
The ladder was more readily available to climb because because black soldiers were shoved aside for no reason other than their skin color.
[/QUOTE]
I don't think that it's sufficient to say that few soldiers that participated in the battle of Mogadishu were black, therefore the military is an example of institutionalized racism. Could other factors be involved? What are the requirements to be an elite soldier? Is it possible that, on average, white solidiers are more likely to meet those requirements?
Also, is it possible that white soldiers are more likely to want to be an elite soldier?
IMO, it's too simple to see that a group is disproportionally represented in something, and then blame racism/sexism/etc. without looking at other factors that could be influencing the statistics. I don't know, maybe the military is a racist institution. I'm just not convinced without a more thorough analysis.
I can agree with this wholly. In fact thats why I believe the Military is the perfect example. Because its a "pocket" of civilization with its own culture embedded within America.
I believe I've found the factors that influence the statistics.
The Pentagon in particular over 60 years, has tried to look for those factors that influence the statistics. What they've always come up with is insufficient. If the statistics are proportional at recruitment , they wonder "why" they aren't consistent throughout the ranks.Why does the disparity skew disproportional the higher up you go? Their answer has invariably been "Its complicated". They claim that Black Soldiers show less interest in pursuing combat jobs.
Wonder why that might be........ Could there be a statistic that might answer that?
2008 Pentagon Report
• 5.6 percent of the 923 general officers or admirals were black.
• Eight blacks were three‐star lieutenant generals or vice admirals.
• Seventeen were two‐star major generals or rear admirals.
• Twenty‐six were one‐star brigadier generals or rear admirals
• Three of the black one‐stars were women
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[quote name='EdRyder']What you offered was word for word from the Heritage Foundations Center of Data Analysis 2008 report Titled:"Who serves in the military? Demographic Characteristics of enlisted troops and officers"
Maybe you could've sourced and cited your facts
But you didnt READ the report. You read a cherry picked blog/forum post that discussed the report.[/QUOTE]
I have read that FULL report and not just some blog entry. I have STUDIED in depth many many reports, books, studies etc on the subject and even have first hand experience as well.
What is your point exactly? Or again are you just spouting off whatever comes to mind?
Again you offered a perception or yours that is unequivically false and has no standing in REALITY but as I have said except that that is how YOU see things so in your mind it must be true. I can't argue your false view and belief that is apparently based on NOTHING I can only offer facts and stats and details as based in truth and reality.
Again lets start small.... prove how the 1993 force in mogadishu demographics are white privledge as you say. I addressed and refuted that with FACT and MATH and just not one fact. Where are your facts, math, studies etc that back up that example by itself in itself as WHITE PRIVILEGE? You have taken a single number from 1993 and have made it into this huge BS white privledge military crap without even first expalining how that alone is white privledge. 1993 and a force and one number means NOTHING...you are taking that without ANYTHING else to back it up or ANYTHING else (like the list I posted) into consideration either.
Again lets start small there bud... prove that that alone is white privledge with all things considered not just one single number which means NOTHING. I am and have been waiting.
The next step would be how (if you can prove that true WHICH YOU CAN"T by any stretch) that makes the MILITARY WHITE PRIVILEGE. Which of course you can't either even if by some miracle god changed all the facts and stats and reality to make that one crazy example so it would still not make the claim that the military in whole is white privilege. I am and have been waiting.
Now I might give you some slack as years ago I had false perceptions about white privilege and institutional racism of the military. That was mainly from on stuff based before 1970 and movies and false claims by people like you based on the times before that. Through study and experience I have learned that NOT to be the truth or even close. I can see how though ignorance of the facts would lead to that perception as I had those as well.
As I said I am waiting or are you just going to keep saying Mogadishu force and then magically tie that false white privilege implication (without any details to back it) to somehow mean and PROVE (what a joke)that now applies to an entire military force.
That is some serious effed up mind you have their pal.
As I said believe away "cuz" you can. Keep saying "cuz I see er that way" "cuz I say it's true martha that's why" "just cuz".
I am waiting STILL.
As I said you are either trolling or STUPID at this point so unless you actually have something REAL to offer I am done with you.
edit: didn't see the two posts above this one...
Maybe you could've sourced and cited your facts
But you didnt READ the report. You read a cherry picked blog/forum post that discussed the report.[/QUOTE]
I have read that FULL report and not just some blog entry. I have STUDIED in depth many many reports, books, studies etc on the subject and even have first hand experience as well.
What is your point exactly? Or again are you just spouting off whatever comes to mind?
Again you offered a perception or yours that is unequivically false and has no standing in REALITY but as I have said except that that is how YOU see things so in your mind it must be true. I can't argue your false view and belief that is apparently based on NOTHING I can only offer facts and stats and details as based in truth and reality.
Again lets start small.... prove how the 1993 force in mogadishu demographics are white privledge as you say. I addressed and refuted that with FACT and MATH and just not one fact. Where are your facts, math, studies etc that back up that example by itself in itself as WHITE PRIVILEGE? You have taken a single number from 1993 and have made it into this huge BS white privledge military crap without even first expalining how that alone is white privledge. 1993 and a force and one number means NOTHING...you are taking that without ANYTHING else to back it up or ANYTHING else (like the list I posted) into consideration either.
Again lets start small there bud... prove that that alone is white privledge with all things considered not just one single number which means NOTHING. I am and have been waiting.
The next step would be how (if you can prove that true WHICH YOU CAN"T by any stretch) that makes the MILITARY WHITE PRIVILEGE. Which of course you can't either even if by some miracle god changed all the facts and stats and reality to make that one crazy example so it would still not make the claim that the military in whole is white privilege. I am and have been waiting.
Now I might give you some slack as years ago I had false perceptions about white privilege and institutional racism of the military. That was mainly from on stuff based before 1970 and movies and false claims by people like you based on the times before that. Through study and experience I have learned that NOT to be the truth or even close. I can see how though ignorance of the facts would lead to that perception as I had those as well.
As I said I am waiting or are you just going to keep saying Mogadishu force and then magically tie that false white privilege implication (without any details to back it) to somehow mean and PROVE (what a joke)that now applies to an entire military force.
That is some serious effed up mind you have their pal.
As I said believe away "cuz" you can. Keep saying "cuz I see er that way" "cuz I say it's true martha that's why" "just cuz".
I am waiting STILL.
As I said you are either trolling or STUPID at this point so unless you actually have something REAL to offer I am done with you.
edit: didn't see the two posts above this one...
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[quote name='EdRyder']I can agree with this wholly. In fact thats why I believe the Military is the perfect example. Because its a "pocket" of civilization with its own culture embedded within America.
I believe I've found the factors that influence the statistics.
The Pentagon in particular over 60 years, has tried to look for those factors that influence the statistics. What they've always come up with is insufficient. If the statistics are proportional at recruitment , they wonder "why" they aren't consistent throughout the ranks.Why does the disparity skew disproportional the higher up you go? Their answer has invariably been "Its complicated". They claim that Black Soldiers show less interest in pursuing combat jobs.
Wonder why that might be........ Could there be a statistic that might answer that?
2008 Pentagon Report
• 5.6 percent of the 923 general officers or admirals were black.
• Eight blacks were three‐star lieutenant generals or vice admirals.
• Seventeen were two‐star major generals or rear admirals.
• Twenty‐six were one‐star brigadier generals or rear admirals
• Three of the black one‐stars were women[/QUOTE]
First you have to understand and realize all that I posted as a primer (and there is much more). Second you have to understand military structure and slots for promotion and where those slots lie then you have to understand the qualifications and needs of that slot then you have to understand the POOL of which to choose from in each specific slot and circumstance and why that pool is what it is. Again start with the very basic and layman facts and stats I provided once you understand those you will only start to have a grasp on reality vs perception.
As it stands you are in way over your head.... and you have now conveniently SKIPPED over and left behind your ignorant claim about the force in Mogadishu since there is no way you can back up your claim of white privilege and that alone. Now you are just adding more ignorance to it without even understanding the basic studies and reality of the military. Your post here is again NOTHING without all the considerations, math, studies, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
It is obvious you are happy in your ignorant belief so there obviously is no changing that with a pesky little thing called reality. But I am sure that wont keep you from posting ignorant crap about your belief. As I said you are way in over your head on this.
edit: I might add you are really coming off as racist against BLACK PEOPLE as everything you are claiming is false and does yes does put down black military people and black people in general. You really are clueless on this one pal and it is starting to be quite sickening.
Oh and yes I am also taking it personal NOW as well. I like others like me make choices in the military for a reason very very smart reasons
not reasons based on hee haw I get to shoot a gun mentality but choices that offer me and us more of what we want and what fits us and will offer more for us. (the entity known as the military is no way is keeping us from that IN NO WAY!) For you to take that and somehow turn it into this white privledge BS for your belief and righteouness is sick and an insult. Take your racist BS elsewhere it does not fit. The nerve of you self righteous aholes to dare use us and that as a line in your softy feely" look I care for the black people crap" is sad at minimum. You really should be ashamed.
Plug away ahole if it makes you feel human and like you are doing something for the po black military folk just know you are wrong and aren't representing or helping anyone with that bs.
I believe I've found the factors that influence the statistics.
The Pentagon in particular over 60 years, has tried to look for those factors that influence the statistics. What they've always come up with is insufficient. If the statistics are proportional at recruitment , they wonder "why" they aren't consistent throughout the ranks.Why does the disparity skew disproportional the higher up you go? Their answer has invariably been "Its complicated". They claim that Black Soldiers show less interest in pursuing combat jobs.
Wonder why that might be........ Could there be a statistic that might answer that?
2008 Pentagon Report
• 5.6 percent of the 923 general officers or admirals were black.
• Eight blacks were three‐star lieutenant generals or vice admirals.
• Seventeen were two‐star major generals or rear admirals.
• Twenty‐six were one‐star brigadier generals or rear admirals
• Three of the black one‐stars were women[/QUOTE]
First you have to understand and realize all that I posted as a primer (and there is much more). Second you have to understand military structure and slots for promotion and where those slots lie then you have to understand the qualifications and needs of that slot then you have to understand the POOL of which to choose from in each specific slot and circumstance and why that pool is what it is. Again start with the very basic and layman facts and stats I provided once you understand those you will only start to have a grasp on reality vs perception.
As it stands you are in way over your head.... and you have now conveniently SKIPPED over and left behind your ignorant claim about the force in Mogadishu since there is no way you can back up your claim of white privilege and that alone. Now you are just adding more ignorance to it without even understanding the basic studies and reality of the military. Your post here is again NOTHING without all the considerations, math, studies, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
It is obvious you are happy in your ignorant belief so there obviously is no changing that with a pesky little thing called reality. But I am sure that wont keep you from posting ignorant crap about your belief. As I said you are way in over your head on this.
edit: I might add you are really coming off as racist against BLACK PEOPLE as everything you are claiming is false and does yes does put down black military people and black people in general. You really are clueless on this one pal and it is starting to be quite sickening.
Oh and yes I am also taking it personal NOW as well. I like others like me make choices in the military for a reason very very smart reasons
not reasons based on hee haw I get to shoot a gun mentality but choices that offer me and us more of what we want and what fits us and will offer more for us. (the entity known as the military is no way is keeping us from that IN NO WAY!) For you to take that and somehow turn it into this white privledge BS for your belief and righteouness is sick and an insult. Take your racist BS elsewhere it does not fit. The nerve of you self righteous aholes to dare use us and that as a line in your softy feely" look I care for the black people crap" is sad at minimum. You really should be ashamed.
Plug away ahole if it makes you feel human and like you are doing something for the po black military folk just know you are wrong and aren't representing or helping anyone with that bs.
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Am I angry hell yes I am angry but hey that is what a number of you wanted right.
Anyway I will give you a story of a friend who joined the military about the same time I did. When making that choice on free will to volunteer he decided that he was going to use the military as a stepping stone in life and a career outside of the military (btw shooting guns in combat doesn't do much for a resume for a career in something besides law enforcement and security not that that is bad if that's what you WANT to do in life). When he enlisted he made the choice of what he was going to do that would aid in that life. That career was administrative in nature so he chose that as the military "JOB". His plan was to use the benefits the experience etc and then get out and move on and up. Well lo and behold that "time" was ending and he re upped. Saying oh a few more years why not. Well because of that mentality and attitude he didn't bother to try to change "jobs" or go after all the small and extra qualifications that would fill his service jacket and tick off requirements and qualifications that are required and extra ones that would give an edge against others when going for certain positions that are severely limited and demanding and intricate to qualifications. Well anyway he stayed in and stayed in when a limited position came along (and they don't very often) he wanted it and tried for it along with MANY others. The difference is that many others chose a field that would aid in that and then did all the requirements and extras knowing that one day in their military career they would want to go for that rare opportunity if it arose. Well needless to say my friend did not qualify not exactly anyway and did not get it. This ahole (nah friend really but acting like an ahole)comes to me and starts crying racism...he, I think, knew even then deep down that wasn't true. But hey we all do it ...come up with excuses but really know the truth. The truth here those qualifications those extras those steps along the way in no way were racist or white privilege. That is fact. Most people unlike my friend plan for these things while some don't. Others are fine in their choices and their limits.
The career I chose I chose knowing full well that it had a roof and a roof for a reason (not racism or white privilege). I got and took everything I could though to make that choice the best for me and rewarding for me and what I wanted.
I have known others (of different back grounds and race) that complain about not getting combat commands or certain commands but know damn well (most know better anyway) why. There is a roof in enlisted as well as officer and commands. That roof is not racist in choosing or qualifications or merit and etc etc etc etc. If you know the military you know it makes it damn near impossible for that to happen. I have known others that did not want be be on the front line or in combat knew the roof and limits and were happy being a major, captain whatever in an office for their career or their short stay and how those choices would help them outside or inside the military.. Choices they made at the onset. I have shown numbers to these choices and gave reasons why these choices might be and are made. As well as some stats showing choices and there ffect on representation levels that are not out of line or even show white privilege or institutional racism.
It is what it is and it is not complicated but it isn't simple either.
Now what I hinted at earlier was SOF and the disparity in diversity there in general (not some 1993 random reference). I have known quite a few people who were in them and who tried to be in them and those that never tried to be in them. There are many factors involved in that as well quite a bit I listed already. I from what I have read, seen,studied and understand of them and the qualifications, the number of openings, the graduation rate,those who actually volunteer or try out, those that have to be recommended for it and that pool of those applicants alone, etc etc etc so on and so on I do not think racism is involved or white privilege. There are many factors many many and part of that was touched on earlier anyway....
But hey I am tired now and have rambled long enough so maybe for another time.
Anyway I will give you a story of a friend who joined the military about the same time I did. When making that choice on free will to volunteer he decided that he was going to use the military as a stepping stone in life and a career outside of the military (btw shooting guns in combat doesn't do much for a resume for a career in something besides law enforcement and security not that that is bad if that's what you WANT to do in life). When he enlisted he made the choice of what he was going to do that would aid in that life. That career was administrative in nature so he chose that as the military "JOB". His plan was to use the benefits the experience etc and then get out and move on and up. Well lo and behold that "time" was ending and he re upped. Saying oh a few more years why not. Well because of that mentality and attitude he didn't bother to try to change "jobs" or go after all the small and extra qualifications that would fill his service jacket and tick off requirements and qualifications that are required and extra ones that would give an edge against others when going for certain positions that are severely limited and demanding and intricate to qualifications. Well anyway he stayed in and stayed in when a limited position came along (and they don't very often) he wanted it and tried for it along with MANY others. The difference is that many others chose a field that would aid in that and then did all the requirements and extras knowing that one day in their military career they would want to go for that rare opportunity if it arose. Well needless to say my friend did not qualify not exactly anyway and did not get it. This ahole (nah friend really but acting like an ahole)comes to me and starts crying racism...he, I think, knew even then deep down that wasn't true. But hey we all do it ...come up with excuses but really know the truth. The truth here those qualifications those extras those steps along the way in no way were racist or white privilege. That is fact. Most people unlike my friend plan for these things while some don't. Others are fine in their choices and their limits.
The career I chose I chose knowing full well that it had a roof and a roof for a reason (not racism or white privilege). I got and took everything I could though to make that choice the best for me and rewarding for me and what I wanted.
I have known others (of different back grounds and race) that complain about not getting combat commands or certain commands but know damn well (most know better anyway) why. There is a roof in enlisted as well as officer and commands. That roof is not racist in choosing or qualifications or merit and etc etc etc etc. If you know the military you know it makes it damn near impossible for that to happen. I have known others that did not want be be on the front line or in combat knew the roof and limits and were happy being a major, captain whatever in an office for their career or their short stay and how those choices would help them outside or inside the military.. Choices they made at the onset. I have shown numbers to these choices and gave reasons why these choices might be and are made. As well as some stats showing choices and there ffect on representation levels that are not out of line or even show white privilege or institutional racism.
It is what it is and it is not complicated but it isn't simple either.
Now what I hinted at earlier was SOF and the disparity in diversity there in general (not some 1993 random reference). I have known quite a few people who were in them and who tried to be in them and those that never tried to be in them. There are many factors involved in that as well quite a bit I listed already. I from what I have read, seen,studied and understand of them and the qualifications, the number of openings, the graduation rate,those who actually volunteer or try out, those that have to be recommended for it and that pool of those applicants alone, etc etc etc so on and so on I do not think racism is involved or white privilege. There are many factors many many and part of that was touched on earlier anyway....
But hey I am tired now and have rambled long enough so maybe for another time.
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You know I said it before but I will say it again this thread is disgusting and pathetic.
I am so sick of this white privilege and institutional racist bullshit being treated like it is omnipresent and omnipotent. It isn't and most of how some of the people here are using it comes out that way. It is being used like that and applied to almost every situation and everybody white and black. Take DD racism is now magically redefined and only applies to white people and only white people and that it somehow makes every single white person racist. It has magically excused the actions of everyone else.
Racism does manifest itself in different ways and in different settings and yes with different power it has different results. But it is not just white people and it is not just oppression and it is just not economic or just institutional power. That is total crap and a cop-out an insult and disparaging and an insult to black people and intelligence and capability and reality of black people. It does NOTHING to help the reality that black people face and stop racism itself across the board. In fact it only hurts black people and everyone else and encourages racism. It fosters nothing positive and it is using black people for your own conversation piece activism and false beliefs. It helps no-one.
The same thing for white privilege it is not omnipresent and omnipotent as you all want or make it to be. Does it exist like racism exists sure and yes but not how you all want like racism to falsely make it out to be and apply it to everyone (except black people in the case of racism) and everything. Again (repeated as it needs to be) That is total crap and a cop-out an insult and disparaging and an insult to black people and intelligence and capability and reality of black people. It does NOTHING to help the reality that black people face and stop racism itself across the board. In fact it only hurts black people and everyone else and encourages racism. It fosters nothing positive and it is using black people for your own conversation piece, activism, and false beliefs. It helps no-one.
This bullshit about using it and constantly making black people out to be victims of it in everything and everywhere and white people all to be racist and evil again accomplishes nothing and certainly nothing positive.
You all keep attacking and attacking just to attack without realizing what the hell it is you are even doing or saying half the damn time. Am I the only one here that thinks this way? That thinks it is BS and accomplishes nothing to paint everything and every situation with those brushes? I would say yes as that is all I read. As I said to ED the ones doing this are the ones coming off racist and extremely ignorant at best. If you were not that then you would be talking about reality, encouragement, inclusion, intolerance to hatred and racism across the board. But no lets make it something that is no where near reality for your own selfish purposes and crazy beliefs. Bunch of racist ignorant fools. Plug away attack away and be proud (not really be ashamed) of accomplishing nothing good and fostering bad and crap. Bravo people bravo
I am so sick of this white privilege and institutional racist bullshit being treated like it is omnipresent and omnipotent. It isn't and most of how some of the people here are using it comes out that way. It is being used like that and applied to almost every situation and everybody white and black. Take DD racism is now magically redefined and only applies to white people and only white people and that it somehow makes every single white person racist. It has magically excused the actions of everyone else.
Racism does manifest itself in different ways and in different settings and yes with different power it has different results. But it is not just white people and it is not just oppression and it is just not economic or just institutional power. That is total crap and a cop-out an insult and disparaging and an insult to black people and intelligence and capability and reality of black people. It does NOTHING to help the reality that black people face and stop racism itself across the board. In fact it only hurts black people and everyone else and encourages racism. It fosters nothing positive and it is using black people for your own conversation piece activism and false beliefs. It helps no-one.
The same thing for white privilege it is not omnipresent and omnipotent as you all want or make it to be. Does it exist like racism exists sure and yes but not how you all want like racism to falsely make it out to be and apply it to everyone (except black people in the case of racism) and everything. Again (repeated as it needs to be) That is total crap and a cop-out an insult and disparaging and an insult to black people and intelligence and capability and reality of black people. It does NOTHING to help the reality that black people face and stop racism itself across the board. In fact it only hurts black people and everyone else and encourages racism. It fosters nothing positive and it is using black people for your own conversation piece, activism, and false beliefs. It helps no-one.
This bullshit about using it and constantly making black people out to be victims of it in everything and everywhere and white people all to be racist and evil again accomplishes nothing and certainly nothing positive.
You all keep attacking and attacking just to attack without realizing what the hell it is you are even doing or saying half the damn time. Am I the only one here that thinks this way? That thinks it is BS and accomplishes nothing to paint everything and every situation with those brushes? I would say yes as that is all I read. As I said to ED the ones doing this are the ones coming off racist and extremely ignorant at best. If you were not that then you would be talking about reality, encouragement, inclusion, intolerance to hatred and racism across the board. But no lets make it something that is no where near reality for your own selfish purposes and crazy beliefs. Bunch of racist ignorant fools. Plug away attack away and be proud (not really be ashamed) of accomplishing nothing good and fostering bad and crap. Bravo people bravo
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[quote name='Clak']Talking about sense of scale...
Macro statement: Straight white men tend to do better and have an easier time of it than those of other races.
Micro statement: I know this poor white dude who would disagree with you....[/QUOTE]
Most of the country is broke ass white people.
Though I agree that white men do better in the means (don't know if straight matters, homos, especially couples, tend to do as well or better than straights), I don't understand what the basis is behind the belief that they have an easier time. Is doing better evidence of having it easier? And if we have the affirmative action, and we have the wealth redistribution, and white males still do better, what then?
Asian-American males and American Jewish males tend to do even better than white European males in the means. Do they have an easier time, then? Hell, they do better in spite of historical racism.
Macro statement: Straight white men tend to do better and have an easier time of it than those of other races.
Micro statement: I know this poor white dude who would disagree with you....[/QUOTE]
Most of the country is broke ass white people.
Though I agree that white men do better in the means (don't know if straight matters, homos, especially couples, tend to do as well or better than straights), I don't understand what the basis is behind the belief that they have an easier time. Is doing better evidence of having it easier? And if we have the affirmative action, and we have the wealth redistribution, and white males still do better, what then?
Asian-American males and American Jewish males tend to do even better than white European males in the means. Do they have an easier time, then? Hell, they do better in spite of historical racism.
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[quote name='Clak']I think the whole problem with this between the left and right is that we're talking macro and they (re many of you here) are obsessed with the micro. To refute a macro statement about race you give examples that are decidedly micro.[/QUOTE]
I can't handle this topic too many posts in too little time for me to keep up, however I thought this was interesting.
The problem with their Macro proclamations is that they are dealing in the law of averages. If you think about averages in any aspect, it is an AVERAGE. Which means that although black people may make less money, that does not mean the whole pool is racist. Racism may affect a portion of the pool sure, but it does not mean society is racist as a whole as dohdough so wholeheartedly believes. The disparity between white and black income should be more closely examined, but again it does not mean the entire system is racist. When we create micro situations such as Billy Bob, we are pointing out that there might be a disparity between something such as black and white income, but there are a multitude of situations that do not take that into consideration and are not inherantly racist.
And before you say it, yes he does believe all white people are racist because they live in a system that on average makes them better off. On average. But everyone.:shock:
I can't handle this topic too many posts in too little time for me to keep up, however I thought this was interesting.
The problem with their Macro proclamations is that they are dealing in the law of averages. If you think about averages in any aspect, it is an AVERAGE. Which means that although black people may make less money, that does not mean the whole pool is racist. Racism may affect a portion of the pool sure, but it does not mean society is racist as a whole as dohdough so wholeheartedly believes. The disparity between white and black income should be more closely examined, but again it does not mean the entire system is racist. When we create micro situations such as Billy Bob, we are pointing out that there might be a disparity between something such as black and white income, but there are a multitude of situations that do not take that into consideration and are not inherantly racist.
And before you say it, yes he does believe all white people are racist because they live in a system that on average makes them better off. On average. But everyone.:shock:
I know this is a little OT but I thought this was an interesting article regarding Dwayne Wade and LeBron James and trust issues due to their environments as kids. Note that the author is black:
LeBron, Wade suffer from trust issues
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/...akness-is-inability-to-accept-coaching-053112
And let me tell you what is extremely hard, quite possibly as difficult as landing a man on the moon: controlling a millionaire celebrity who was raised in a difficult, dysfunctional environment.
Stop. I am not dumping on James and Wade. I like and respect them. I’m rooting for them to win the championship this season. I think they are good people. In fact, they’re my two favorite athletes at the moment.
I just happen to believe their difficult upbringings make it hard for them to trust and submit to the will of authority figures. We know James was raised by a teenage mother who had some problems. We know Wade’s mom had problems with drugs and Wade credits an older sister for his upbringing.
It’s my belief Wade and James have childhood emotional scars that impact their ability to consistently operate in a team environment. Most of us have childhood emotional scars. Some scars — any kind of parental abandonment — are just deeper than others.
Gregg Popovich is a tremendous coach. So was Phil Jackson.
But coaching Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan is quite different than coaching LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.
Again, I’m not denigrating Wade and James as people. They are good people. I’m saying they have justifiable trust issues stemming from their nontraditional upbringings, and those issues often manifest themselves on the basketball court.
Popovich can scream at and publicly belittle Duncan, Parker and Ginobili without damaging his relationship with his stars. Popovich is free to “coach” his stars. Spoelstra has to “manage” his stars. It’s simpleminded to attribute this difference solely to Popovich’s four championship rings and Spoelstra’s zero rings.
Popovich is coaching men who grew up in less chaotic, stressful environments. It’s not a coincidence that the greatest players and winners in NBA history — Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Russell, Duncan — primarily came from solid, two-parent families. Larry Bird is the most notable exception.
The Heat can win it all with Wade and James. They’re capable of beating the Spurs this season. When James and Wade are focused and in the mood to be coached, they can push the Heat to a level as high as San Antonio. But, as we saw last year, as we saw in the Pacers series and as we saw Wednesday night, Wade and James can fall into a prolonged funk that turns the Heat into the Bobcats.
Meanwhile, the Spurs are the Spurs almost every night.
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So... the author is saying that to be an NBA champion you have to come from a stable family situation? Interesting that his exception to the rule was Larry Bird (white) who, if you don't know, had a father that committed suicide at a young age.
Edit: Do you think there would have been backlash if say Tony Kornheiser (white) had made this assumption as to why D. Wade and LeBron haven't won an NBA championship and are more difficult to coach?
LeBron, Wade suffer from trust issues
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/...akness-is-inability-to-accept-coaching-053112
And let me tell you what is extremely hard, quite possibly as difficult as landing a man on the moon: controlling a millionaire celebrity who was raised in a difficult, dysfunctional environment.
Stop. I am not dumping on James and Wade. I like and respect them. I’m rooting for them to win the championship this season. I think they are good people. In fact, they’re my two favorite athletes at the moment.
I just happen to believe their difficult upbringings make it hard for them to trust and submit to the will of authority figures. We know James was raised by a teenage mother who had some problems. We know Wade’s mom had problems with drugs and Wade credits an older sister for his upbringing.
It’s my belief Wade and James have childhood emotional scars that impact their ability to consistently operate in a team environment. Most of us have childhood emotional scars. Some scars — any kind of parental abandonment — are just deeper than others.
Gregg Popovich is a tremendous coach. So was Phil Jackson.
But coaching Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan is quite different than coaching LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.
Again, I’m not denigrating Wade and James as people. They are good people. I’m saying they have justifiable trust issues stemming from their nontraditional upbringings, and those issues often manifest themselves on the basketball court.
Popovich can scream at and publicly belittle Duncan, Parker and Ginobili without damaging his relationship with his stars. Popovich is free to “coach” his stars. Spoelstra has to “manage” his stars. It’s simpleminded to attribute this difference solely to Popovich’s four championship rings and Spoelstra’s zero rings.
Popovich is coaching men who grew up in less chaotic, stressful environments. It’s not a coincidence that the greatest players and winners in NBA history — Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Russell, Duncan — primarily came from solid, two-parent families. Larry Bird is the most notable exception.
The Heat can win it all with Wade and James. They’re capable of beating the Spurs this season. When James and Wade are focused and in the mood to be coached, they can push the Heat to a level as high as San Antonio. But, as we saw last year, as we saw in the Pacers series and as we saw Wednesday night, Wade and James can fall into a prolonged funk that turns the Heat into the Bobcats.
Meanwhile, the Spurs are the Spurs almost every night.
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So... the author is saying that to be an NBA champion you have to come from a stable family situation? Interesting that his exception to the rule was Larry Bird (white) who, if you don't know, had a father that committed suicide at a young age.
Edit: Do you think there would have been backlash if say Tony Kornheiser (white) had made this assumption as to why D. Wade and LeBron haven't won an NBA championship and are more difficult to coach?
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[quote name='Clak']I think the whole problem with this between the left and right is that we're talking macro and they (re many of you here) are obsessed with the micro. To refute a macro statement about race you give examples that are decidedly micro.[/QUOTE]
Micro... okay lets not think about that
... you know like MINORITIES that are a MICRO. Micro has no place in a conversation? The minority or the individual?
As I said white privilege and racism are not omnipresent and omnipotent so taking them and applying it like they are and making them an all-powerful absolute truth and applying it to ALL micros even when it is not appropriate accomplishes nothing good. You know like many of you here taking that micro and writing it off wrongly, or refuting micros because of some twisted view of a FALSE omnipresent omnipotent MACRO belief. There are different macros and different micros not all micros fit into a certain macro and one macro does not encompass ALL the micros.
Then there are those who combine the two (even when not appropriate), white privilege and racism into one... and apply it (wrongly, falsely) in/to ALL situations and circumstances making it now god like or a super macro that no micro can ever escape.
Those obsessed and doing this with a macro or macros I would say are the real clueless ones. (ie you know like many here) and doing the least amount of good.
edit: Then there is taking that macro and ignoring certain micros or a micro that fit/s in it. You know like taking a math equation and taking the answer/result to that equation ONLY and ignoring a part of the equation that ultimately is a part of the answer/result. Think about that. Then there are those that want to see or make an answer or result and work backwards and only take certain factors or numbers to fit that answer/result. IE using only micros that fit that macro and conveniently leaving out the rest so now they have the macro they perceived or want.
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“The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.” Elbert Hubbard
Micro... okay lets not think about that
... you know like MINORITIES that are a MICRO. Micro has no place in a conversation? The minority or the individual?As I said white privilege and racism are not omnipresent and omnipotent so taking them and applying it like they are and making them an all-powerful absolute truth and applying it to ALL micros even when it is not appropriate accomplishes nothing good. You know like many of you here taking that micro and writing it off wrongly, or refuting micros because of some twisted view of a FALSE omnipresent omnipotent MACRO belief. There are different macros and different micros not all micros fit into a certain macro and one macro does not encompass ALL the micros.
Then there are those who combine the two (even when not appropriate), white privilege and racism into one... and apply it (wrongly, falsely) in/to ALL situations and circumstances making it now god like or a super macro that no micro can ever escape.
Those obsessed and doing this with a macro or macros I would say are the real clueless ones. (ie you know like many here) and doing the least amount of good.
edit: Then there is taking that macro and ignoring certain micros or a micro that fit/s in it. You know like taking a math equation and taking the answer/result to that equation ONLY and ignoring a part of the equation that ultimately is a part of the answer/result. Think about that. Then there are those that want to see or make an answer or result and work backwards and only take certain factors or numbers to fit that answer/result. IE using only micros that fit that macro and conveniently leaving out the rest so now they have the macro they perceived or want.
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“The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.” Elbert Hubbard
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[quote name='Pliskin101']You know I said it before but I will say it again this thread is disgusting and pathetic.[/QUOTE]
No one's forcing you to read the thread. Maybe you should work on your impulse control.
The second sentence is also meaningless because you're just regurgitating terms and concepts that you clearly don't understand. Not only that, but you're also not defining what "it" is.
ing dumb as shit to think that learning about societal barriers is the same as those fighting to keep those barriers in place. I'm the one trying to tear those barriers down and you're the one plugging your ears and pretending that they don't exist.
The idiom is "the truth will set you free;" not "if you stay positive, things will work out for you." If you want to be ignorant of history, that's on you, so don't pin your insecurities on me.
ing tool.
ing engrained in society that it's become normalized. You can't fix something if you don't learn everything you can about it. Have we seen progress? Of course we have, but that doesn't mean that everything is great when we still have a long ass way to go. Things are still shitty as hell for black people.
up.
[quote name='Spokker']Most of the country is broke ass white people.
Though I agree that white men do better in the means (don't know if straight matters, homos, especially couples, tend to do as well or better than straights), I don't understand what the basis is behind the belief that they have an easier time. Is doing better evidence of having it easier? And if we have the affirmative action, and we have the wealth redistribution, and white males still do better, what then?[/QUOTE]
Yeah...what then? What are your assumption? I bet they're racist as though. Just because affirmative action exists doesn't mean it's wide-spread or bumping off every single white person for a "less qualified" black person. Of course doing better is an indication of having it easier when black men in similar circumstances do ing worse. Looking at unemployment statistics disaggregated by race, gender, and education will show you that. Or how about you explain the wealth gap. Your sense of scale is also totally ed.
And "homos?" Seriously? WTF...
ing different from black people in this country and might make a difference.
Learn someing history.
[quote name='Knoell']I can't handle this topic too many posts in too little time for me to keep up, however I thought this was interesting.
The problem with their Macro proclamations is that they are dealing in the law of averages. If you think about averages in any aspect, it is an AVERAGE. Which means that although black people may make less money, that does not mean the whole pool is racist. Racism may affect a portion of the pool sure, but it does not mean society is racist as a whole as dohdough so wholeheartedly believes. The disparity between white and black income should be more closely examined, but again it does not mean the entire system is racist. When we create micro situations such as Billy Bob, we are pointing out that there might be a disparity between something such as black and white income, but there are a multitude of situations that do not take that into consideration and are not inherantly racist.[/QUOTE]
If averages and trends are meaningless, then why the bother with statistics, polling, or research of any kind? Do you know how insurance rates work? And guess what, the racial gap has been studied for over 100 years and do you know what the real research points to? That shit is ing racist.
Racism and white privilege don't say that there won't be any poor whites, but that white Billy Bob will have it better than black Billy Bob.
[quote name='Pliskin101']Micro... okay lets not think about that... you know like MINORITIES that are a MICRO. Micro has no place in a conversation? The minority or the individual?[/QUOTE]
Would it kill you to learn about these concepts before you start using them? We're talking about measurable effects and the last time I checked, a group of 50 million people isn't considered a microcosm.
How about you explain what circumstances those things WOULD apply then.
ing dumb and for someone that asks people to think, you sure as hell don't do much of it yourself. No one is saying that people aren't prejudiced against whites or that they can't feel experience discrimination.
No one's forcing you to read the thread. Maybe you should work on your impulse control.
How does it magically excuse any actions? What actions are you talking about? Give some examples.
If racism is an expression of oppression and oppression requires power, how the hell does racism NOT require power as opposed to simply being racial bias?
The second sentence is also meaningless because you're just regurgitating terms and concepts that you clearly don't understand. Not only that, but you're also not defining what "it" is.
Talking about the pervasiveness of racism says nothing about the intelligence or capabilities of black people or imply inferiority. It's
ing dumb as shit to think that learning about societal barriers is the same as those fighting to keep those barriers in place. I'm the one trying to tear those barriers down and you're the one plugging your ears and pretending that they don't exist.The idiom is "the truth will set you free;" not "if you stay positive, things will work out for you." If you want to be ignorant of history, that's on you, so don't pin your insecurities on me.
If you say it doesn't exist like I say, then prove it. And stop quoting yourself. You look like a
ing tool.Black people ARE victims of racism. Just as women are victims of sexism. It's so
ing engrained in society that it's become normalized. You can't fix something if you don't learn everything you can about it. Have we seen progress? Of course we have, but that doesn't mean that everything is great when we still have a long ass way to go. Things are still shitty as hell for black people.You keep saying that we're the real racists, but you never explain it. You keep saying that we're ignorant, but you don't explain that either. Do you see me defending racial profiling? Do you see me defending Trayvon Martin targets? Do you see me trying to bend over backwards to defend Zimmerman's actions as legitimate? Put up or shut theYou all keep attacking and attacking just to attack without realizing what the hell it is you are even doing or saying half the damn time. Am I the only one here that thinks this way? That thinks it is BS and accomplishes nothing to paint everything and every situation with those brushes? I would say yes as that is all I read. As I said to ED the ones doing this are the ones coming off racist and extremely ignorant at best. If you were not that then you would be talking about reality, encouragement, inclusion, intolerance to hatred and racism across the board. But no lets make it something that is no where near reality for your own selfish purposes and crazy beliefs. Bunch of racist ignorant fools. Plug away attack away and be proud (not really be ashamed) of accomplishing nothing good and fostering bad and crap. Bravo people bravo
up.[quote name='Spokker']Most of the country is broke ass white people.
Though I agree that white men do better in the means (don't know if straight matters, homos, especially couples, tend to do as well or better than straights), I don't understand what the basis is behind the belief that they have an easier time. Is doing better evidence of having it easier? And if we have the affirmative action, and we have the wealth redistribution, and white males still do better, what then?[/QUOTE]
Yeah...what then? What are your assumption? I bet they're racist as
though. Just because affirmative action exists doesn't mean it's wide-spread or bumping off every single white person for a "less qualified" black person. Of course doing better is an indication of having it easier when black men in similar circumstances do ing worse. Looking at unemployment statistics disaggregated by race, gender, and education will show you that. Or how about you explain the wealth gap. Your sense of scale is also totally ed.And "homos?" Seriously? WTF...
It's almost if the circumstances of their immigration were completely
ing different from black people in this country and might make a difference.Learn some
ing history.[quote name='Knoell']I can't handle this topic too many posts in too little time for me to keep up, however I thought this was interesting.
The problem with their Macro proclamations is that they are dealing in the law of averages. If you think about averages in any aspect, it is an AVERAGE. Which means that although black people may make less money, that does not mean the whole pool is racist. Racism may affect a portion of the pool sure, but it does not mean society is racist as a whole as dohdough so wholeheartedly believes. The disparity between white and black income should be more closely examined, but again it does not mean the entire system is racist. When we create micro situations such as Billy Bob, we are pointing out that there might be a disparity between something such as black and white income, but there are a multitude of situations that do not take that into consideration and are not inherantly racist.[/QUOTE]
If averages and trends are meaningless, then why the
bother with statistics, polling, or research of any kind? Do you know how insurance rates work? And guess what, the racial gap has been studied for over 100 years and do you know what the real research points to? That shit is ing racist.Racism and white privilege don't say that there won't be any poor whites, but that white Billy Bob will have it better than black Billy Bob.
There is no such thing as being neutral on racism. You're either for it, or against it and I'm not the one making up all kinds of scenarios trying to prove that racism isn't a problem.
[quote name='Pliskin101']Micro... okay lets not think about that
... you know like MINORITIES that are a MICRO. Micro has no place in a conversation? The minority or the individual?[/QUOTE]Would it kill you to learn about these concepts before you start using them? We're talking about measurable effects and the last time I checked, a group of 50 million people isn't considered a microcosm.
Wrong. We're demonstrating a common pattern. If you were as smart as you think you are, you'd be able to get free insurance of any kind or completely destroy the insurance industry with Knoell with what you're implying. Or let's make it easy for you to understand. Do you think that a guy with a new driver's license at 17 should pay the same rate as a 30 yr married father?
You mean there's variance? No shit!
You don't even really understand the concepts of white privilege and racism and you want to opine on them like you're some sort of expert that studies them for a living or refute the ones that do?
How about you explain what circumstances those things WOULD apply then.
We live in a society with societal level problems and you think that those problems would be solved on an individual basis?
This is
ing dumb and for someone that asks people to think, you sure as hell don't do much of it yourself. No one is saying that people aren't prejudiced against whites or that they can't feel experience discrimination.
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You know Dodough I love you man possibly more than you may love yourself (I hope that is not true). I know deep down you are a loving person and that is why you are so passionate.
I saw your long post and I have not read it yet but I promise I will. You are a fallible complicated human being and it is beautiful, You are beautiful.
edit: I have had the privilege of burying two loved ones in three weeks and one was murdered by a third loved one. I am not one to believe in occam's razor. Things are never simple only the simple think that way. Have I lost it? Hell no I am going strong.
I saw your long post and I have not read it yet but I promise I will. You are a fallible complicated human being and it is beautiful, You are beautiful.
edit: I have had the privilege of burying two loved ones in three weeks and one was murdered by a third loved one. I am not one to believe in occam's razor. Things are never simple only the simple think that way. Have I lost it? Hell no I am going strong.
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[quote name='dohdough']If averages and trends are meaningless, then why the bother with statistics, polling, or research of any kind? Do you know how insurance rates work? And guess what, the racial gap has been studied for over 100 years and do you know what the real research points to? That shit is ing racist.
Racism and white privilege don't say that there won't be any poor whites, but that white Billy Bob will have it better than black Billy Bob.
There is no such thing as being neutral on racism. You're either for it, or against it and I'm not the one making up all kinds of scenarios trying to prove that racism isn't a problem.
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I don't even know what to see in this. Maybe Pliskin101 has you all riled up, but I did not say any of these three things.
And no such thing as being neutral? wtf are you talking about? And racism is not a problem? When have I ever said that? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were drunk.
I am not at all denying the existance of racism. I am confronting you on your systematic discrimination of white people, and your denial that minorities can be racist.
The average person is 5'8".....EVERYONE IS 5'8"!!!!!!!
bother with statistics, polling, or research of any kind? Do you know how insurance rates work? And guess what, the racial gap has been studied for over 100 years and do you know what the real research points to? That shit is ing racist.Racism and white privilege don't say that there won't be any poor whites, but that white Billy Bob will have it better than black Billy Bob.
There is no such thing as being neutral on racism. You're either for it, or against it and I'm not the one making up all kinds of scenarios trying to prove that racism isn't a problem.
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I don't even know what to see in this. Maybe Pliskin101 has you all riled up, but I did not say any of these three things.
And no such thing as being neutral? wtf are you talking about? And racism is not a problem? When have I ever said that? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were drunk.
I am not at all denying the existance of racism. I am confronting you on your systematic discrimination of white people, and your denial that minorities can be racist.
The average person is 5'8".....EVERYONE IS 5'8"!!!!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR91Rj1ZN1M
I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad the These dreams in which I'm dying, Are the best I've ever had.
You think I am joking? I wish I was ...even partially.
I told you my mom went to prison my dad literally burnt me. Then I had a Sandusky on me.... he had a rape house. Then my mom committed suicide, My fiancée died.
Recently.... two deaths.... three weeks.... one murder....no shit murder.
All these years all this pain and yet it doesn't get easier ....but it doesn't get harder...it is par for the course.
I have seen a shotgun blast to the chest.... live. I have had to carry bodies of loved ones to a meat wagon. I have had to take a loved one-off the noose and read their mark in the bible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5anLPw0Efmo&feature=related
Since I was a toddler all I have seen and known is pain and death.
I can't remember who said it ....but it goes something like...a life not lived for others is a life not worth living.
No... english is not my first language. I am a survivor I adapt. After all this time here I am am. What did I do? That it still has not improved? Twist me bend me I am still here and I am fighting.
I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad the These dreams in which I'm dying, Are the best I've ever had.
You think I am joking? I wish I was ...even partially.
I told you my mom went to prison my dad literally burnt me. Then I had a Sandusky on me.... he had a rape house. Then my mom committed suicide, My fiancée died.
Recently.... two deaths.... three weeks.... one murder....no shit murder.
All these years all this pain and yet it doesn't get easier ....but it doesn't get harder...it is par for the course.
I have seen a shotgun blast to the chest.... live. I have had to carry bodies of loved ones to a meat wagon. I have had to take a loved one-off the noose and read their mark in the bible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5anLPw0Efmo&feature=related
Since I was a toddler all I have seen and known is pain and death.
I can't remember who said it ....but it goes something like...a life not lived for others is a life not worth living.
No... english is not my first language. I am a survivor I adapt. After all this time here I am am. What did I do? That it still has not improved? Twist me bend me I am still here and I am fighting.
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What the hell happened in here for the past couple of pages? Let's try and get this thing back on track, shall we?
Looks like Zimmerman is headed back to jail for lying about his finances at the bond hearing, so it looks like perjury could be added to the list of charges:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-jail-bound-article-1.1088377
Looks like Zimmerman is headed back to jail for lying about his finances at the bond hearing, so it looks like perjury could be added to the list of charges:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-jail-bound-article-1.1088377
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[quote name='dohdough']
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Try this on for size as it is the truth. White privilege DOES exist but not because of racism it is because black people are mentally inferior to ALL other races. It borders on retarded. White people are superior intellectually and morally and the majority that is why they do better plain and simple. But don't fret at least you have sports and athletic ability. The only way to make black people equal on economic status is to create MORE paying sports and to live on the backs of whites charity and PROGRAMS. That is the only way. But that still wont erase the ABSOLUTE truth that every single black person is inferior in intellect. Once you face this ABSOLUTE truth you will stop being a victim of others and realize you are a victim of DNA and your own LIMITS. :bow:
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[/QUOTE]Try this on for size as it is the truth. White privilege DOES exist but not because of racism it is because black people are mentally inferior to ALL other races. It borders on retarded. White people are superior intellectually and morally and the majority that is why they do better plain and simple. But don't fret at least you have sports and athletic ability. The only way to make black people equal on economic status is to create MORE paying sports and to live on the backs of whites charity and PROGRAMS. That is the only way. But that still wont erase the ABSOLUTE truth that every single black person is inferior in intellect. Once you face this ABSOLUTE truth you will stop being a victim of others and realize you are a victim of DNA and your own LIMITS. :bow:
#[quote name='UncleBob']Oddly enough, this is probably out about only reply you could have given that didn't reveal the truth.
A minority being racist against another minority is simply perpetuating White Racism.[/QUOTE]
Wow! Really? White people should justing kill themselves! YOU perpetuate racism.
A minority being racist against another minority is simply perpetuating White Racism.[/QUOTE]
Wow! Really? White people should just
ing kill themselves! YOU perpetuate racism.[quote name='Purple Flames']What the hell happened in here for the past couple of pages? Let's try and get this thing back on track, shall we?
Looks like Zimmerman is headed back to jail for lying about his finances at the bond hearing, so it looks like perjury could be added to the list of charges:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-jail-bound-article-1.1088377[/QUOTE]
they had no idea how much they had and why it should even be included.
I cant wait until this is over and it be funny as hell when he wins..
I hope he sues the out of all of the people including the judge is who trying to him over.
You know for a damn fact they will find him guilty no matter what cause if they dont there will be riots everywhere...
the next time a basketball star gets busted for DUI their bail should be set at 10 million since they have the cash.. NO i forgot you cant charge a black man more then a white man or that be racist
If i was them i tell the judge to go themself
QUESTION why is is Racist to say More white people go to college then black.
BUT look at the basketball or many sports teams... This is pure racist that they wont allow the WHITE people to play basketball.. Hell i know for a fact more black teens get free rides playing sports to colleges then Whites if it wasnt you wouldnt see these kinds of teams
Looks like Zimmerman is headed back to jail for lying about his finances at the bond hearing, so it looks like perjury could be added to the list of charges:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-jail-bound-article-1.1088377[/QUOTE]
they had no idea how much they had and why it should even be included.
I cant wait until this is over and it be funny as hell when he wins..
I hope he sues the
out of all of the people including the judge is who trying to him over.You know for a damn fact they will find him guilty no matter what cause if they dont there will be riots everywhere...
the next time a basketball star gets busted for DUI their bail should be set at 10 million since they have the cash.. NO i forgot you cant charge a black man more then a white man or that be racist
If i was them i tell the judge to go
themselfQUESTION why is is Racist to say More white people go to college then black.
BUT look at the basketball or many sports teams... This is pure racist that they wont allow the WHITE people to play basketball.. Hell i know for a fact more black teens get free rides playing sports to colleges then Whites if it wasnt you wouldnt see these kinds of teams
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[quote name='Pliskin101']Try this on for size as it is the truth. White privilege DOES exist but not because of racism it is because black people are mentally inferior to ALL other races. It borders on retarded. White people are superior intellectually and morally and the majority that is why they do better plain and simple. But don't fret at least you have sports and athletic ability. The only way to make black people equal on economic status is to create MORE paying sports and to live on the backs of whites charity and PROGRAMS. That is the only way. But that still wont erase the ABSOLUTE truth that every single black person is inferior in intellect. Once you face this ABSOLUTE truth you will stop being a victim of others and realize you are a victim of DNA and your own LIMITS. :bow:
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I just have to add ....once this truth is acknowledged a bit of advice and a warning should be taken.
Do not bite the hand/s that feed you. Literally.
#[/QUOTE]I just have to add ....once this truth is acknowledged a bit of advice and a warning should be taken.
Do not bite the hand/s that feed you. Literally.
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[quote name='slidecage']
BUT look at the basketball or many sports teams... This is pure racist that they wont allow the WHITE people to play basketball.. Hell i know for a fact more black teens get free rides playing sports to colleges then Whites if it wasnt you wouldnt see these kinds of teams[/QUOTE]
It is called black privilege. I demand affirmative action. It just aint fair that whites are smarter but blacks are better athletes. We have it for black people because of that truth so we should have it for white people because of that racial truth. There is no way to be equal but let's make it open and fair anyway. That way billy bob can have a chance outside of that gas station too.
edit: Seriously if we always have to make it or everything about race then we should acknowledge the truth about racial differences.. otherwise everyone should shut the hell up.
edit: Zimmerman is being lynched by a mob of uncivil rights activists. What is happening to him is racist they should just break out the rope and take him to the nearest tree already as that is all it is.
BUT look at the basketball or many sports teams... This is pure racist that they wont allow the WHITE people to play basketball.. Hell i know for a fact more black teens get free rides playing sports to colleges then Whites if it wasnt you wouldnt see these kinds of teams[/QUOTE]
It is called black privilege. I demand affirmative action. It just aint fair that whites are smarter but blacks are better athletes. We have it for black people because of that truth so we should have it for white people because of that racial truth. There is no way to be equal but let's make it open and fair anyway. That way billy bob can have a chance outside of that gas station too.
edit: Seriously if we always have to make it or everything about race then we should acknowledge the truth about racial differences.. otherwise everyone should shut the hell up.
edit: Zimmerman is being lynched by a mob of uncivil rights activists. What is happening to him is racist they should just break out the rope and take him to the nearest tree already as that is all it is.
[quote name='Purple Flames']What the hell happened in here for the past couple of pages? Let's try and get this thing back on track, shall we?
Looks like Zimmerman is headed back to jail for lying about his finances at the bond hearing, so it looks like perjury could be added to the list of charges:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-jail-bound-article-1.1088377[/QUOTE]
If you throw enough shit eventually some of it will stick.
I'm sure we can add this charge to the growing list of ones that he will be cleared of.
Looks like Zimmerman is headed back to jail for lying about his finances at the bond hearing, so it looks like perjury could be added to the list of charges:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/zimmerman-jail-bound-article-1.1088377[/QUOTE]
If you throw enough shit eventually some of it will stick.
I'm sure we can add this charge to the growing list of ones that he will be cleared of.
[quote name='Pliskin101']It is called black privilege. I demand affirmative action. It just aint fair that whites are smarter but blacks are better athletes. We have it for black people because of that truth so we should have it for white people because of that racial truth. There is no way to be equal but let's make it open and fair anyway. That way billy bob can have a chance outside of that gas station too.
edit: Seriously if we always have to make it or everything about race then we should acknowledge the truth about racial differences.. otherwise everyone should shut the hell up.
edit: Zimmerman is being lynched by a mob of uncivil rights activists. What is happening to him is racist they should just break out the rope and take him to the nearest tree already as that is all it is.[/QUOTE]
that tree thing will never happen.. They will bitch about what type of tree to use and if they pick the wrong tree and then its unfair for the other types of trees
edit: Seriously if we always have to make it or everything about race then we should acknowledge the truth about racial differences.. otherwise everyone should shut the hell up.
edit: Zimmerman is being lynched by a mob of uncivil rights activists. What is happening to him is racist they should just break out the rope and take him to the nearest tree already as that is all it is.[/QUOTE]
that tree thing will never happen.. They will bitch about what type of tree to use and if they pick the wrong tree and then its unfair for the other types of trees
[quote name='Pliskin101']Try this on for size as it is the truth. White privilege DOES exist but not because of racism it is because black people are mentally inferior to ALL other races. It borders on retarded. White people are superior intellectually and morally and the majority that is why they do better plain and simple. But don't fret at least you have sports and athletic ability. The only way to make black people equal on economic status is to create MORE paying sports and to live on the backs of whites charity and PROGRAMS. That is the only way. But that still wont erase the ABSOLUTE truth that every single black person is inferior in intellect. Once you face this ABSOLUTE truth you will stop being a victim of others and realize you are a victim of DNA and your own LIMITS. :bow:
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Quoted for posterity.
I can only assume that you actually believe this considering your general craziness.
[quote name='slidecage']they had no idea how much they had and why it should even be included.[/QUOTE]
You didn't read that article, did you? Cause if you did, then you'd know that him and his wife conspired to hide the money BEFORE the bond hearing as misleading the judge on about having only one passport. Not to mention that they cried poverty to lower the bond amount.
him over so hard that he decided not to revoke bond the day that he found out that Zimmerman misled the court.
ing moron every single time you post something?
[quote name='GBAstar']If you throw enough shit eventually some of it will stick.
I'm sure we can add this charge to the growing list of ones that he will be cleared of.[/QUOTE]
Looks like you didn't read theing article either. Typical.
#[/QUOTE]Quoted for posterity.
I can only assume that you actually believe this considering your general craziness.
[quote name='slidecage']they had no idea how much they had and why it should even be included.[/QUOTE]
You didn't read that article, did you? Cause if you did, then you'd know that him and his wife conspired to hide the money BEFORE the bond hearing as misleading the judge on about having only one passport. Not to mention that they cried poverty to lower the bond amount.
Yeah, the judge tried toI cant wait until this is over and it be funny as hell when he wins..
I hope he sues the
him over so hard that he decided not to revoke bond the day that he found out that Zimmerman misled the court.This is the exact opposite stance of the one you took literally one sentence before this one. I know you're you and this is probably asking too much, but would it kill you to not be a
ing moron every single time you post something?A DUI is not a killing and bonds are based on the criminal allegations and flight risk.
I would love to see it, but we both know you don't have the balls to do it. Even I don't think you're that stupid. But I have been wrong before...If i was them i tell the judge to go
No one said that it was. You're imagining things.
Who is "they?" And cite a source for that assertion as well as reasoning.
[quote name='GBAstar']If you throw enough shit eventually some of it will stick.
I'm sure we can add this charge to the growing list of ones that he will be cleared of.[/QUOTE]
Looks like you didn't read the
ing article either. Typical.[quote name='dohdough']Quoted for posterity.
I can only assume that you actually believe this considering your general craziness.
You didn't read that article, did you? Cause if you did, then you'd know that him and his wife conspired to hide the money BEFORE the bond hearing as misleading the judge on about having only one passport. Not to mention that they cried poverty to lower the bond amount.
Yeah, the judge tried to him over so hard that he decided not to revoke bond the day that he found out that Zimmerman misled the court.
This is the exact opposite stance of the one you took literally one sentence before this one. I know you're you and this is probably asking too much, but would it kill you to not be aing moron every single time you post something?
A DUI is not a killing and bonds are based on the criminal allegations and flight risk.
I would love to see it, but we both know you don't have the balls to do it. Even I don't think you're that stupid. But I have been wrong before...
No one said that it was. You're imagining things.
Who is "they?" And cite a source for that assertion as well as reasoning.
Looks like you didn't read theing article either. Typical.[/QUOTE]
I read the article. He is being charged with lying about his income. If I set up a donation site and accepted PayPal and all of a sudden had $200k in my account one day I wouldn't know how to claim it either.
Edit: And basing bail on income is f'd up in the first place; it should be based on the nature of the crime and the criminal history of the defendent
I can only assume that you actually believe this considering your general craziness.
You didn't read that article, did you? Cause if you did, then you'd know that him and his wife conspired to hide the money BEFORE the bond hearing as misleading the judge on about having only one passport. Not to mention that they cried poverty to lower the bond amount.
Yeah, the judge tried to
him over so hard that he decided not to revoke bond the day that he found out that Zimmerman misled the court.This is the exact opposite stance of the one you took literally one sentence before this one. I know you're you and this is probably asking too much, but would it kill you to not be a
ing moron every single time you post something?A DUI is not a killing and bonds are based on the criminal allegations and flight risk.
I would love to see it, but we both know you don't have the balls to do it. Even I don't think you're that stupid. But I have been wrong before...
No one said that it was. You're imagining things.
Who is "they?" And cite a source for that assertion as well as reasoning.
Looks like you didn't read the
ing article either. Typical.[/QUOTE]I read the article. He is being charged with lying about his income. If I set up a donation site and accepted PayPal and all of a sudden had $200k in my account one day I wouldn't know how to claim it either.
Edit: And basing bail on income is f'd up in the first place; it should be based on the nature of the crime and the criminal history of the defendent
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One thing I'm noticing anytime I pop my head into this thread is that dohdough seems to be calling everyone else racist, stupid, etc, etc.
Yet for the most part the people he's degrading in such a way are attempting to respond in a civil manner without resorting to such denigration.
Hmmmmm.....makes you think, doesn't it?
Yet for the most part the people he's degrading in such a way are attempting to respond in a civil manner without resorting to such denigration.
Hmmmmm.....makes you think, doesn't it?
[quote name='GBAstar']I read the article. He is being charged with lying about his income. If I set up a donation site and accepted PayPal and all of a sudden had $200k in my account one day I wouldn't know how to claim it either.[/QUOTE]
He isn't being charged with shit from this. The judge just revoked his bond and that was because the prosecutors proved that he knew about how much money he had, the passport that was never surrendered, and a literal conspiracy with his wife to hide theing money.
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']One thing I'm noticing anytime I pop my head into this thread is that dohdough seems to be calling everyone else racist, stupid, etc, etc.
Yet for the most part the people he's degrading in such a way are attempting to respond in a civil manner without resorting to such denigration.
Hmmmmm.....makes you think, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]
I guess being called retarded, sick, crazy, racist, black supremacist, etc aren't degrading at all! Especially when I've been called all of the above countless times by one person alone.
Yet, you don't have shit to say about this:
[quote name='Pliskin101']Try this on for size as it is the truth. White privilege DOES exist but not because of racism it is because black people are mentally inferior to ALL other races. It borders on retarded. White people are superior intellectually and morally and the majority that is why they do better plain and simple. But don't fret at least you have sports and athletic ability. The only way to make black people equal on economic status is to create MORE paying sports and to live on the backs of whites charity and PROGRAMS. That is the only way. But that still wont erase the ABSOLUTE truth that every single black person is inferior in intellect. Once you face this ABSOLUTE truth you will stop being a victim of others and realize you are a victim of DNA and your own LIMITS. :bow:
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Makes you think, doesn't it! you.
He isn't being charged with shit from this. The judge just revoked his bond and that was because the prosecutors proved that he knew about how much money he had, the passport that was never surrendered, and a literal conspiracy with his wife to hide the
ing money.[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']One thing I'm noticing anytime I pop my head into this thread is that dohdough seems to be calling everyone else racist, stupid, etc, etc.
Yet for the most part the people he's degrading in such a way are attempting to respond in a civil manner without resorting to such denigration.
Hmmmmm.....makes you think, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]
I guess being called retarded, sick, crazy, racist, black supremacist, etc aren't degrading at all! Especially when I've been called all of the above countless times by one person alone.
Yet, you don't have shit to say about this:
[quote name='Pliskin101']Try this on for size as it is the truth. White privilege DOES exist but not because of racism it is because black people are mentally inferior to ALL other races. It borders on retarded. White people are superior intellectually and morally and the majority that is why they do better plain and simple. But don't fret at least you have sports and athletic ability. The only way to make black people equal on economic status is to create MORE paying sports and to live on the backs of whites charity and PROGRAMS. That is the only way. But that still wont erase the ABSOLUTE truth that every single black person is inferior in intellect. Once you face this ABSOLUTE truth you will stop being a victim of others and realize you are a victim of DNA and your own LIMITS. :bow:
#[/QUOTE]Makes you think, doesn't it!
you.
IAmTheCheapestGamer
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Actually I saw that post by Pliskin and I kinda did one of these: :shock: I mean, that was just full on KKK level racist shit in that post. Even I admit it on that one.
But I guess again I am guilty of not paying too much attention to this thread since it just seems like everybody is going in circles and all you're all doing is screaming what you think/believe above each other. It's not really settling anything. Until Zimmerman finally gets his day in court and is judged by a jury of his peers and found guilty or innocent, then this is really all just conjecture and posturing with nothing gained.
But I guess again I am guilty of not paying too much attention to this thread since it just seems like everybody is going in circles and all you're all doing is screaming what you think/believe above each other. It's not really settling anything. Until Zimmerman finally gets his day in court and is judged by a jury of his peers and found guilty or innocent, then this is really all just conjecture and posturing with nothing gained.
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[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Actually I saw that post by Pliskin and I kinda did one of these: :shock: I mean, that was just full on KKK level racist shit in that post. Even I admit it on that one.
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No worse then the crap dohdough spouts off on a daily basis. It isn't easy to read and not much fun is it?
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No worse then the crap dohdough spouts off on a daily basis. It isn't easy to read and not much fun is it?
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Edit: And basing bail on income is f'd up in the first place; it should be based on the nature of the crime and the criminal history of the defendent[/QUOTE]
It should also be based on flight risk. Zimmerman always said he was going to turn himself in if charged, did turn himself in when charged, and will turn himself in again in the next 48 hours.
Edit: And basing bail on income is f'd up in the first place; it should be based on the nature of the crime and the criminal history of the defendent[/QUOTE]
It should also be based on flight risk. Zimmerman always said he was going to turn himself in if charged, did turn himself in when charged, and will turn himself in again in the next 48 hours.
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[quote name='slidecage']that tree thing will never happen.. They will bitch about what type of tree to use and if they pick the wrong tree and then its unfair for the other types of trees
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lol
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[quote name='Pliskin101']No worse then the crap dohdough spouts off on a daily basis. It isn't easy to read and not much fun is it?
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True. According to him, whitey can do no right and da black(brown/tan/etc/etc) people cannot be racist against themselves but if they are it's still whitey's fault....somehow.:lol:
[/QUOTE]True. According to him, whitey can do no right and da black(brown/tan/etc/etc) people cannot be racist against themselves but if they are it's still whitey's fault....somehow.:lol:
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