Chris Benoit kills wife, 7 year old son and then self.

So people at work were talking about this today. They referred to Chris Benoit as "that wrestler" and seemed to get most of their info on the subject from the likes of Nancy Grace. Ugh... I almost thought to correct them, but I figured why waste my breath? There'll be some other event at some point and they'll go back to idiots like Nancy Grace to get their information on that too and the cycle just repeats itself. There's just too much ignorance in the world to wipe it all out.
 
CNN Headline News is covering the story right now, with the reporter stating that Chris' father is hoping that the toxicology report reveals what happened so he can get some closure. Michael Benoit says that both sides of the family are trying to cope with their losses, and that he and his family are praying that Nancy's family can cope with losing her.
 
I cannot wait until Vince passes for real.I will fly to his and Benoit's grave and spit on them.What a coward, doing to his son what he did.I hope it is real hot where he is.And for anyone to say I won't change my mind because of what he did in acting O I mean in the WWe acting school is mind blowing
 
PWI Elite is reporting that WWE found out about the Benoit details at approximately 10:25pm ET, with 45 minutes left to go in the broadcast. Everyone who was still at the arena in Corpus Christi, TX found out then.

I'm tempted to go back and see if the emotions of any of the announcers change after that time.
 
[quote name='browneyedgal68']I cannot wait until Vince passes for real.I will fly to his and Benoit's grave and spit on them.What a coward, doing to his son what he did.I hope it is real hot where he is.And for anyone to say I won't change my mind because of what he did in acting O I mean in the WWe acting school is mind blowing[/quote]You're one of the many people who need to just stop posting here.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']You're one of the many people who need to just stop posting here.[/QUOTE]

The ignore list exists for a reason. Go ahead and use it on this guy.
 
It's really fucked up when you hear the tributes to Benoit, Malenko and especially Chavo after they have now learned of what happened. Especially Chavo who said he would place his LIFE in Benoit's hands, and Malenko who has been with Benoit for 15+ years and had nothing but respect for him. I keep checking the news hoping something new comes out of the limelight and shows why Benoit did this or something new is coming about it to put more positive on Benoit even though I know what he did has been the ultimate sin. I guess I'm just going to be in denial for a long time, and I can only imagine how Chavo and Benoit's family feels right now.
 
[quote name='browneyedgal68']I cannot wait until Vince passes for real.I will fly to his and Benoit's grave and spit on them.What a coward, doing to his son what he did.I hope it is real hot where he is.And for anyone to say I won't change my mind because of what he did in acting O I mean in the WWe acting school is mind blowing[/QUOTE]

Thanks to your stupid ass, I now have to go figure out how to ignore people on CAG.
 
so what i posted earlier i noticed was already called out by -never4ever-
don't tell me that my opinion doesn't matter, I've got the same right to be here as you do. But i stand by my decision that it doesn't matter if Chris Benoit was a good wrestler or not. He is a murderer and i will continue to have no respect for that fucker.

why would he kill his family?
especially with a child with mental disabilities.
DOESN'T seems like a guy too many people should be respecting.
 
[quote name='browneyedgal68']I cannot wait until Vince passes for real.I will fly to his and Benoit's grave and spit on them.What a coward, doing to his son what he did.I hope it is real hot where he is.And for anyone to say I won't change my mind because of what he did in acting O I mean in the WWe acting school is mind blowing[/quote]

Ya know what would be sweet, if when you die directions to your grave get posted on here, so the entire CAG community can go there and spit on it.
 
[quote name='evanft']The ignore list exists for a reason. Go ahead and use it on this guy.[/QUOTE]

Already done that. I'm telling you my ignore list is starting to get a workout this week.

[quote name='Genocidal']I'm tempted to go back and see if the emotions of any of the announcers change after that time.[/quote]

Come to think of it I did notice a bit of a change of emotion right about at that point during the show. It wasn't an "omfgbbqsauce they know something but they aren't telling us" change but it was subtle enough to where I got the feeling that something was wrong.
 
http://www.georgiawrestlinghistory.com/news-notes/2007/06/29-10.html
Breaking News: More Raids, an Arrest, and Fans Offering Tips to Investigators

A second raid was executed around 5:25 PM this afternoon at the Carrollton, GA, office of Dr. Phil Astin, family physician of the Benoit family. A battering ram was utilized to enter the facility.

DEA agent Chuvalo Truesdell offered very few details, but said that new leads, including some from their Wednesday night raid, led them to seek more information than the records and other items seized that night could offer.

He also confirmed that the DEA has taken over the lead role in the investigation into Astin, though Fayette County authorities still manage the actual crime scene in Fayetteville, GA.

There was also a raid this afternoon at the home of Astin’s mother, where he resides. No information has been disclosed as to what they were seeking at the home, but eight unmarked DEA SUVs and several Carroll County Sheriff’s department vehicles were on the scene.

Witnesses at the time the search warrant was being executed there believed that a forced entry was made by authorities, as they had attempted to access the home through the front door, before going around the rear of the home after there was no answer.

It is unclear at this time whether any of the investigating agencies have knowledge of the whereabouts of either of the Astins, though neither have been seen over two days.

Truesdell would not comment on whether actual charges have been filed to warrant the arrest of Dr. Astin.

There is also a report of a female fan, Teresa Kimbrell, 45, who drove from North Carolina to the home of Benoit. She was arrested last night by Fayette County officers and charged with simple battery and disorderly conduct.

Witnesses report she seemed to be under the influence of alcohol. Sources report she became belligerent when officers at the scene refused to provide her with any information when she attempted to ask them questions regarding the investigation.

Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard has reported that his office is receiving all sorts of communications, including conspiracy theories, as well as psychics offering their assistance into understanding what went on at the home during the crimes.

Reporters say they are also receiving emails from fans. One suggested that Johnny Nitro be investigated, as the sender believes Nitro may be responsible so that he could replace Benoit in his match on June 24. Another claimed they believe a dead wrestler, whose name was not provided, came back to life in order to murder the Benoit family.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3327310&page=1

Police: Wiki Confession an 'Unbelievable Hindrance'
Computers Tied to Wikipedia Posting About Nancy Benoit Seized by Authorities

A Wikipedia posting about the death of pro wrestler Chris Benoit's wife that preceded the discovery of the Benoit family's bodies has become a major obstacle in the murder-suicide criminal investigation, authorities told ABC News.

"It is unbelievable what a hindrance this has put on our investigation," said Lt. Tommy Pope, a spokesman for the Fayette County, Ga., Sheriff's Department.

"We've got to put a lot of effort and time into working to prove or disprove that someone put up a hoax situation or that somebody was conceiving the death from out of state," Pope said, adding that investigators have been flooded with tips regarding a Web posting that's very likely a bizarre coincidence.

Police have traced the Wikipedia posting and subsequent anonymous confession and apology to an IP address in Connecticut. Pope said local authorities there are working with his department and have seized computer equipment from the person responsible for the postings.

"We know who the person is," Pope said, adding that police wouldn't reveal his or her identity until early next week. By then they hope to have determined whether the person was implicated in what police earlier this week called a double murder-homicide.

If the person had knowledge of the death before police discovered the body, he or she could face criminal charges.

The anonymous Wikipedia poster confessed early this morning to changing the entry for professional wrestler Chris Benoit to mention that his wife was dead -- 14 hours before the police had even discovered the bodies of Benoit, his wife and 7-year-old son, Daniel.

The confession, which was posted on Wikinews, came from the same IP address, traced to Stamford, Conn., from which the eerie posting about the pro wrestler's wife was made, an administrator for Wikinews confirmed. The WWE is based in Stamford.

"I am not connected to WWE or Benoit at all in any way," the poster wrote, describing himself or herself as an "everyday" individual, confirming a Connecticut residency, and claiming that the prescient entry was an unfortunate coincidence.
 
Reporters say they are also receiving emails from fans. One suggested that Johnny Nitro be investigated, as the sender believes Nitro may be responsible so that he could replace Benoit in his match on June 24. Another claimed they believe a dead wrestler, whose name was not provided, came back to life in order to murder the Benoit family.


LMAO
 
Bret Hart was on Nancy Grace earlier. I don't know if he is still on there. I believe it is a repeat of yesterday.

Jericho was on one of the CNN shows earlier in the day as well.
 
Here's a DVDVR board poster's report on his experience with the Nancy Grace show tonight -
I just called in to Nancy Grace to mention that the list of dead wrestlers isn't all comprised of drug related deaths, and the producer told me she wouldn't take that question. We had a small discussion where I mentioned that Andre, Jerry Blackwell, and Joey Marella were not drug related and she said that "We don't know that."

I have a feeling that Hogan could go on this show, claim that Andre was 900 pounds and that he died 3 days after their WM III match and it would be taken as gospel. Scary.

Ultimate Warrior said WORDS!~ today. -
Hello warriors. Yes, I have agreed to make a rare public appearance on Hannity & Colmes. Yesterday, I tentatively agreed to this evening, Friday. This morning we were contacted by the show and told there was a shift in programming due to the London Bombing attempt. So, I decided that Monday would be better.

Of course, I’ve been paying attention to how the Benoit incident has unfolded. I’ve drafted up a post — your typical Warrior masterpiece — and will put up the polished piece after my appearance over at Fox. I’ve some original ideas about this incident — what’s new? — and want to showcase them on TV, first.

I’m not sure yet, still have to do some howling atop my mountain for further enlightenment, but probably just go on Fox with my typical eloquent knack to say what others are thinking but don’t have the courage to let slip past their lips. You know, the usual brilliant, “self-destructive” stuff.

Your Founding Father of Ring Intensity,

Always Believe,

Warrior
All hail the founding father of ring intensity.

Excerpts from emails by Benoit to Greg Oliver
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/29/0630benoitemails.html
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"He (Eddie) was somewhat of a spiritual guide for me. I do not know if you read the Bible at all, or what your beliefs are, and I will respect you for whatever your beliefs are. But if you ever get the opportunity to read about Job, it reminds me so much of Eddie. He at one point after coming out of rehab had nothing but the clothes on his back. He had physically, mentally emotionally and monetarily hit rock bottom. He lost his family, his wife and children had left. But he never lost his faith and through it was able to overcome the odds."
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']#1 search on Yahoo today?

Fragile X Syndrome[/quote]

Woop thats good news for yahoo, people chose yahoo over google.
 
[quote name='panasonic']Woop thats good news for yahoo, people chose yahoo over google.[/QUOTE]
... how is the number one Yahoo search being "Fragile X Syndrome" equate to Yahoo being used over Google..?
 
[quote name='panasonic']Woop thats good news for yahoo, people chose yahoo over google.[/quote]
...What?

The fact that Fragile X Syndrome is the #1 Yahoo search term has no bearing on whether Yahoo or Google is used more.

Brak beat me to it.
 
Those of you who feel so adamant that Benoit is evil for his actions and that everyone should understand your perspective also need to sympathize with those who may still be in shock and cannot yet process the situation in full.

Benoit was recognized as one of the top wrestlers of all-time by hardcore fans, and, more importantly, he was also recognized as a class act and an all-around good guy. Years and years of wonderful memories cannot be so easily thrown away in a few days, even in the face of this horrific sin that he's committed. Fans have an emotional attachment to Benoit; dealing with feelings of bewilderment, disappointment and betrayal are enough at the moment without those of you who feel compelled to question the intelligence or morality of those who are struggling to deal with what has transpired here.

Be kind to one another.
 
WGCL News (Atlanta CBS affiliate) has reported that the raids on Dr. Astin's offices has turned up documents that include a listing of names of wrestlers currently on the WWE's roster. With the feds in general, and the DEA in particular, involved the upcoming storm is going to make McMahon's steroids trial in the mid-90's look like an episode of SpongeBob. This story is only going to get bigger in the coming weeks.
 
[quote name='neocisco']WGCL News (Atlanta CBS affiliate) has reported that the raids on Dr. Astin's offices has turned up documents that include a listing of names of wrestlers currently on the WWE's roster. With the feds in general, and the DEA in particular, involved the upcoming storm is going to make McMahon's steroids trial in the mid-90's look like an episode of SpongeBob. This story is only going to get bigger in the coming weeks.[/QUOTE]
...

That's not good.
 
[quote name='Brak']...

That's not good.[/quote]

IMO, McMahon is arguably the worst thing to happen to the business. Yes, he does plenty to promote wrestling and raise it's popularity but the damage he's done far outweighs the good. He's basically been a parasite who uses the wrestlers to feed his ego and bank account and disposes of them like so much trash once he thinks they've outlived their usefulness. He's created an atmosphere where it's literally dog-eat-dog. I'll get off my soapbox...for now.
 
Things could get a lot worse if any of the people investigating have even half a clue about the inner workings of the WWE -- what a negative on the steroids test really means and Chris Masters' pushes and burials, among other things.
 
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Metal Boss, you're so witty. No, really. You're the first person to ever have a joke picture of Benoit and post it in his death thread. No one before you has thought of making fun of his death. You are an asset to this thread, and I hope you continue to post.
 
Scorch, you're so witty. You actually used blatant sarcasm to show your disapproval of my post! I am humbled by your words of kindness and as a token of appreciation I give you this.

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I hope Benoit is giving god the crippler cross face in hell!



-In all seriousness, in my opinion he must have been a pretty sick person to have been able to commit these kinds of acts... He may have been an excellent actor, athlete, wrestler, what have you, but in the end you can't justify it.
 
[quote name='neocisco']IMO, McMahon is arguably the worst thing to happen to the business. Yes, he does plenty to promote wrestling and raise it's popularity but the damage he's done far outweighs the good. He's basically been a parasite who uses the wrestlers to feed his ego and bank account and disposes of them like so much trash once he thinks they've outlived their usefulness. He's created an atmosphere where it's literally dog-eat-dog. I'll get off my soapbox...for now.[/quote]


every word you said is true. ive read alot of diff interviews with older wrestlers and they have nothing but good things to say about vince mcmahon senior vince jr however....... long story short he ruined his fathers legacy yeah hes made it into a huge corporation but at the expense of the wrestlers who made it popular.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Jehrico supposedly coming up soon on Fox News. Dunno if it's a repeat or not.[/quote]I was just going to post about that. I don't know how to get a direct link to the video, but there is a link in the side column on this page:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287383,00.html#

I think it's the best comments made so far on the situation, despite the stupid interviewer's efforts to try and get him to pin the deaths on steroids. Chris handled it all very well and I think he made the best explanation for not hating Chris Benoit now.

On a side note, the end of his interview sounded like he is missing wrestling a lot these days (just to confirm the rumors).
 
[quote name='neocisco']IMO, McMahon is arguably the worst thing to happen to the business. Yes, he does plenty to promote wrestling and raise it's popularity but the damage he's done far outweighs the good. He's basically been a parasite who uses the wrestlers to feed his ego and bank account and disposes of them like so much trash once he thinks they've outlived their usefulness. He's created an atmosphere where it's literally dog-eat-dog. I'll get off my soapbox...for now.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't go that far, there are alot of "superstar" who are on the roster just for their "loyality" and I can think of two wrestlers (Tony Atlas/one of the Godwin guys) who were brought in when they hit hard times.
 
[quote name='neocisco']WGCL News (Atlanta CBS affiliate) has reported that the raids on Dr. Astin's offices has turned up documents that include a listing of names of wrestlers currently on the WWE's roster. With the feds in general, and the DEA in particular, involved the upcoming storm is going to make McMahon's steroids trial in the mid-90's look like an episode of SpongeBob. This story is only going to get bigger in the coming weeks.[/quote]

I'm going to just assume the majority of wrestlers use them now, unless someone has a Trevor Murdoch type body. Even then, I don't know anymore.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I wouldn't go that far, there are alot of "superstar" who are on the roster just for their "loyality" and I can think of two wrestlers (Tony Atlas/one of the Godwin guys) who were brought in when they hit hard times.[/quote]

Vince did bring in Henry Godwin, but it was reportedly just as a favor for HHH, who is friends with him. Also it should be pointed out that they've since released him when they realized he couldn't work for shit anymore.
 
[quote name='neocisco']IMO, McMahon is arguably the worst thing to happen to the business. Yes, he does plenty to promote wrestling and raise it's popularity but the damage he's done far outweighs the good. He's basically been a parasite who uses the wrestlers to feed his ego and bank account and disposes of them like so much trash once he thinks they've outlived their usefulness. He's created an atmosphere where it's literally dog-eat-dog. I'll get off my soapbox...for now.[/QUOTE]
I more than agree.

But, in the back of my mind, I can't help but worry that since WWE = Wrestling, to the public, what will follow is Wrestling = Bad.

I was too young to be aware of the past steroid debacle, and I'm unsure of how it affected other organizations, if at all.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I'm going to just assume the majority of wrestlers use them now, unless someone has a Trevor Murdoch type body. Even then, I don't know anymore.[/QUOTE]


I think they use them by choice, but instead of the wrestlers getting them themselves. WWE supplies them, and regulates their usage (aka the wellness program) IMO of course.

I remember last year when Masters came back Triple H said "what are you going to do show them how to lose 200lbs in 3 weeks."
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I'm going to just assume the majority of wrestlers use them now, unless someone has a Trevor Murdoch type body. Even then, I don't know anymore.[/quote]

C'mon, everyone knows Trevor Murdoch is on the gas.:lol:
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I wouldn't go that far, there are alot of "superstar" who are on the roster just for their "loyality" and I can think of two wrestlers (Tony Atlas/one of the Godwin guys) who were brought in when they hit hard times.[/quote]

I wouldn't go that far either, but Neocisco is an idiot, and that's why I have him blocked. Wrestling might not even be on TV nationally if it weren't for Vince. I do agree Vince wastes far too much time centering the show around himself, and his ego though.

However, Vince has helped other individuals in need too, Paul Bearer comes to mind. Vince paid for his gastric-bypass surgery, that Bearer claims saved his life. Bearer wasn't even on the roster at the time. And what about William Regal, wasn't he near death? Didn't see him get cut. Sure people get used, but you can say that of athletes in any major sport. To single Vince McMahon out is just assinine. Plus think of all the guys he's given second chances too and tried to get cleaned-up. Eddie Guerrero and Jeff Hardy immediately come to mind.
 
From my local paper.

USA Today found that 66 pro wrestlers under the age of 45 had died in the past two decades.

Keith Pinckard, a Dallas medical examiner, told the newspaper that wrestlers have a death rate seven times higher than the general population and are 20 times more likely to die before age 45 than pro football players.
 
[quote name='Graystone']Killing, and murdering are two different things. [/QUOTE]

Sorry about that, I actually meant that sane people don't commit murder. A little late on the draw, I'm sure :)

And you're right, we were going in circles. You have your view on the situation, I have mine, and I doubt either of us will change our minds anytime soon.

I'm going to avoid this topic from now on. Not because of what was posted in it, rather because I tired of dealing with the Benoit situation and feeling depressed ever since.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Jehrico supposedly coming up soon on Fox News. Dunno if it's a repeat or not.[/quote]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twDP2MSyjuk[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ZkX3cnYC0[/media]

Are these it? Managed to stumble upon them here.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Are these it? Managed to stumble upon them here.[/quote]
Nope, I didn't get to see that segment.

This is the one I caught.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB03c9Yald0[/MEDIA]
 
Looks like Nancy Grace is really pushing the Benoit may have been murdered card in those clips.

Rev. Clary, whoever that is, seems convinced it was Kevin Sullivan
http://www.johnnyleeclary.com/benoitmurdered.htm
Sullivan certainly has a motive, but he's almost 60 now and Benoit would tear him to shreds one on one.

Conspiracy theories are fun! But seriously, I don't know what to think anymore; as Jericho said it is a tough situation because we don't know what pushed Benoit to do an uncharacteristic and despicable act. There is no closure and sadly, there might never be.

Of course steroids come up again and again. Jericho states that the WWE does random testing by an outside lab. This would be a good thing because testosterone is cleared from your body in a matter of days. However, we still have no idea what type of testing is done.

As an aside,
Typically people do a testosterone to epitestosterone (T/E) ratio first as a screening test. Epitestosterone is another hormone produced by the testes, but it does not have androgenic effects. It's used as a control because it is typically produced in a roughly 1:1 ratio with testosterone. Normal values of T/E can be anywhere from near 0 to 6. A usual cutoff is 4. If the level exceeds this, another test is done to look for synthetic testosterone (it is the same chemical structure, but synthetic testosterone is derived from plant sources and its ratio of carbon isotopes is different). Who knows what cutoff the WWE uses as negative? Some articles report that it is 10 http://www.benningtonbanner.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?articleId=6267549&siteId=509

If such a high T/E ratio is allowed, wrestlers could titrate their doses and make sure they are within the limit while still greatly raising their androgen levels 5x-10x. They may also take epitestosterone to lower the ratio (good labs test for this).
Other problems with the test are that we are really measuring testosterone glucuronidate in the urine (it needs to be glucuronidated by the liver to make it water soluble)... some ppl are lacking these glucuronyl transferase enzymes in the liver and they do not pee out much testosterone and they will always have a low T/E. This case is most common in Asians, but may also be present in up to 10% of whites.

Then there is the case of synthetic androgens that may not be detectable by conventional means... who knows if the WWE labs test for that... and even if they do, BALCO showed us that designer steroid makers always have a step up.
 
Chris Jericho is such a class act. Thank goodness there are well spoken (ex)wrestlers that can show there are intelligent people in that industry.
 
[quote name='Haggar']Chris Jericho is such a class act. Thank goodness there are well spoken (ex)wrestlers that can show there are intelligent people in that industry.[/QUOTE]

QFT.
 
[quote name='Haggar']Chris Jericho is such a class act. Thank goodness there are well spoken (ex)wrestlers that can show there are intelligent people in that industry.[/quote]I have always had this opinion of him as well. He is my all-time favorite wrestler. He and Mysterio, Souled Out '98 are the reasons I started watching wrestling.

But wrestling aside, he has always impressed me with how articulate he is, both on and off the mic.
 
[quote name='Haggar']Chris Jericho is such a class act. Thank goodness there are well spoken (ex)wrestlers that can show there are intelligent people in that industry.[/QUOTE]

QFT
 
[quote name='MorPhiend']I have always had this opinion of him as well. He is my all-time favorite wrestler. He and Mysterio, Souled Out '98 are the reasons I started watching wrestling.

But wrestling aside, he has always impressed me with how articulate he is, both on and off the mic.[/QUOTE]I thought the same thing when I saw his interviews over the last couple of days. He handled himself very well, and I'm sure that caught the reporters off-guard.
 
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