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That would have been the absolute perfect chance for the DX return too...

triple H runs back out after HBK refuses to count to 3 for kenny. HBK superkicks Kenny, HHH pedigrees cena and covers him with HBK doing the 3 count. The DX music hits as HBK raises HHH's hand as winner and hands him the belt. What could have been...
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']I don't get Vince sometimes... First he knows his product is crap. Then he goes on air and uses Joey as the medium to voice how crappy it is. Now he's going to resurrect a former rival company to "compete" with WWE? I realize he's going to make money off of it... but I don't see how shitting all over his current product helps? Then again... I bet the new ECW will be just as crappy as WWE is now :([/quote]

He knows that there is no alternative (like WCW in 96) that will attract mainstream viewers. Hardcore fans will turn to TNA, ROH, puro, etc., but the casual fan will stick with WWE despite the shit.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']He knows that there is no alternative (like WCW in 96) that will attract mainstream viewers. Hardcore fans will turn to TNA, ROH, puro, etc., but the casual fan will stick with WWE despite the shit.[/quote]

Yeah I guess you're right... I'm kind of hoping Vince bit off more than he could chew by disqualifying TNA as a worthy contender. Could this be another WCW? Stay tuned to find out!
 
[quote name='PhrostByte'] I realize he's going to make money off of it... but I don't see how shitting all over his current product helps? [/QUOTE]

It helps to differentiate the brands. They are promoting ECW as "real" wrestling not sports entertainment. The real challenge will be to see if Vince can keep his hands off of ECW.
 
Any videos or anything of tonights RAW?

I skipped it since, well, I'm sick of the product and now its broken, but I wouldn't mind seeing the ECW stuff.

Does USA Network ever show re-run's of RAW?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']That would have been the absolute perfect chance for the DX return too...

triple H runs back out after HBK refuses to count to 3 for kenny. HBK superkicks Kenny, HHH pedigrees cena and covers him with HBK doing the 3 count. The DX music hits as HBK raises HHH's hand as winner and hands him the belt. What could have been...[/QUOTE]


The longer they tease the DX reunion, the more of a let down it will be when it actually does happen.

Shawn was in rare form tonight though. It looked like he was actually having fun during the Kane match.
 
That was the most entertaing episode of RAW in a while. It should have been shitty (Spirit Squad), but it really wasn't. Sure the ECW thing was cool, and the DX teaser, but the best moment was....

THE PRINCE OF PERVERSION GOLDUST ON TV!!!
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Yeah I guess you're right... I'm kind of hoping Vince bit off more than he could chew by disqualifying TNA as a worthy contender. Could this be another WCW? Stay tuned to find out![/quote]

With the talent they're bringing in, they sure think it is, although circa 1999/2000.

WWE is such a cocktease, and I don't mean the segment with Vince and Candice. Joey cuts an awesome promo, and Michaels and Trips are face to face with no action between the two. It's killing me.

With how bad I thought Spirit Squad as co-GMs was going to be, it actually worked pretty well, IMO. I couldn't help but think the divas match was a replay of something X-Pac did however many years ago though, what with the Bronco Buster and the X-Factor in a span of about two minutes.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Any videos or anything of tonights RAW?

I skipped it since, well, I'm sick of the product and now its broken, but I wouldn't mind seeing the ECW stuff.

Does USA Network ever show re-run's of RAW?[/quote]

USA re-runs a condensed slightly censored version of Raw saturday at 2 am and 9 am I think. I doubt they'd show the whole Joey rant though.
 
It was a good promo by Joey, but Vince and the WWE are well aware of the criticisms many have of their product. Chris Jericho's debut promo, though ironically presented, was more or less the same diatribe.

Now, if you think that Vince will change anything, you're a fool. WWE is profitable, and they are a business. They don't care about five-star matches or respectable athletes - they care about quarterly dividends. Since they are the only game in town, they can pretty much do whatever they want and remain profitable. They don't need to put any effort into the show because we'll all watch it anyway.

Now, even I have a naive hope that ECW will do well. Of course, if it's a 45 year old sandman and a 45 year old Sabu in every show, and they don't debut new talent, then it will sink very quickly. OTOH, if they can integrate new talent without ruining the "ECW" vibe, then they'll have a recipe for success.

I still don't get, however, what Vince's problem with Styles' announcing is. If he thinks that King and Coach are doing worthwhile jobs, and Styles needs weekly training and coaching by JR, he's just nuts. Then again, Joey doesn't blend well with the King or Coach, but don't blame him for being the straightman amongst two sacks of unentertaining shit. While JR was removed to present a "younger" product, that's fine - but why keep the King? He's not funny, his overt perversions are really fucking creepy, and he's a "classic" in his own right, and certainly not representative of a "younger" product. Plus his shirts are all 1996 and shit.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Chris Jericho's debut promo, though ironically presented, was more or less the same diatribe.
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I remember that debut like it was yesterday. Wrestling sure has gone downhill since then.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']That would have been the absolute perfect chance for the DX return too...

triple H runs back out after HBK refuses to count to 3 for kenny. HBK superkicks Kenny, HHH pedigrees cena and covers him with HBK doing the 3 count. The DX music hits as HBK raises HHH's hand as winner and hands him the belt. What could have been...[/quote]

QFT! wtf, the buildup is killing me. they r giving us reason after reason. the obvious dx chops, hbk and the crowd saying "suck it!", hhh being forced to do shit he doesnt want to do, the whole on going mcmahon vs hbk angle, etc. but they r holding off. and i dont get y hbk helped cena, i assumed like u did that hhh would come back out and theyd clear house, etc. hmmm..
 
[quote name='SpottedNigel']I wonder, if just to start them off, if DX will have anything to do with the rebuilding of ECW[/QUOTE]


If anything im just thinking a one time thing against the spirit squad
 
[quote name='evanft']WTF? RVD aligned with....Carlito? That's fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]

They tagged last week too (w/ Charlie Haas) vs. Masters, Shelton Benjamin, and someone else. I thought it was stupid last week (as you seem to as well), since Carlito attacked an injured RVD months ago. This week I totally forgot about it.
 
I was thinking the same thing about RVD/Carlito. They could have at least made a joke about it...

Carlito: Sorry I broke your leg that time man.
RVD: Don't worry...it's cool man.
Carlito: If you're cool, you know I'm cool.

*splits an apple together in friendship* :rofl:
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I was thinking the same thing about RVD/Carlito. They could have at least made a joke about it...

Carlito: Sorry I broke your leg that time man.
RVD: Don't worry...it's cool man.
Carlito: If you're cool, you know I'm cool.

*splits an apple together in friendship* :rofl:[/QUOTE]


LMAO! that would've been funny as hell.
 
[quote name='getmeoutofjoliet']continuing from the last thread:

Mass Transit New Jack Incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhSfU3chGa0[/QUOTE]

Man, that still makes me sick to my stomach when they zoom in and you can see the blood squirting from that kid's forehead.

What the hell was New Jack thinking doing a blade job with an exacto knife?
 
He's New Jack. The kid pissed him off earlier backstage when he tried to plan the match out instead of just taking his ass-kicking, and he got what New Jack felt he deserved.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']He's New Jack. The kid pissed him off earlier backstage when he tried to plan the match out instead of just taking his ass-kicking, and he got what New Jack felt he deserved.[/QUOTE]

New Jack is beyond sloppy. He cant quite grasp the concept that you ARENT actually supposed to hurt people in the ring. He's a glorfied bully, thats all. Not saying MT wasnt at fault (because he was) just stating my opinion on New jack.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']New Jack is beyond sloppy. He cant quite grasp the concept that you ARENT actually supposed to hurt people in the ring. He's a glorfied bully, thats all. Not saying MT wasnt at fault (because he was) just stating my opinion on New jack.[/QUOTE]

I just looked him up on wikipedia. That blade job in the video is just the tip of the iceberg with this guy...
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']New Jack is beyond sloppy. He cant quite grasp the concept that you ARENT actually supposed to hurt people in the ring. He's a glorfied bully, thats all. Not saying MT wasnt at fault (because he was) just stating my opinion on New jack.[/quote]

New Jack is the man! :bouncy:
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']New Jack is beyond sloppy. He cant quite grasp the concept that you ARENT actually supposed to hurt people in the ring. He's a glorfied bully, thats all. Not saying MT wasnt at fault (because he was) just stating my opinion on New jack.[/quote]

And that's why so many people outside of the business love him and so many in the business know to respect him. He seems like the sort of guy that you definitely don't want to piss off, but if you're friends with him, he'll do anything for you.
 
Mass Transit is no different than the 17 year old chick in the Game Guy. They both lied about being older than 18 and whined when they realized they were in over their head. That's why there needs to be punishment for those who use fake ID's in this manner.

New Jack just isn't a wrestler. He should just try his hand at Toughman or something.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']And that's why so many people outside of the business love him and so many in the business know to respect him. He seems like the sort of guy that you definitely don't want to piss off, but if you're friends with him, he'll do anything for you.[/QUOTE]

ANYONE can go out and beat the living shit out of someone with a variety of weapons... how does that make anyone respect him? He's a joke. Hes sloppy and consistantly has injured other workers and himself. Im not saying hes not fun to watch because hes so brutal but it kinda makes you go "how does this guy still get work?"

I wrestled for a few years in a few indy federations and if the promoter would have told me i was working a match with someone like New Jack, i wouldn't do it. Just my two cents.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']ANYONE can go out and beat the living shit out of someone with a variety of weapons... how does that make anyone respect him? He's a joke. Hes sloppy and consistantly has injured other workers and himself. Im not saying hes not fun to watch because hes so brutal but it kinda makes you go "how does this guy still get work?"

I wrestled for a few years in a few indy federations and if the promoter would have told me i was working a match with someone like New Jack, i wouldn't do it. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

Well, while it *is* respect, it's not Lance Storm or Bret Hart respect. It's cowering and fear. It's "shut up and take it like a man or else you'll get it twn times worse." In other words, it's "be a fucking idiot." It's foolish to say anyone actually respects someone willing to take advantage of a fat newbie in wrestling, much less one who wants to plan a match with you. PLAN A fuckING MATCH!?!?! I don't care if you're Rob Conway asking to get spots in on The Undertaker, that's not professional, it's not ethical, and it shouldn't even be legal. Irrespective of the kid's age, the thing about a wrestling match is that, for the most part, it's two or more people collaborating with each other, trusting each other, and working to create the appearance of an uncertain and contested wrestling match. There's no collaboration in that match. There's no trust. Why couldn't New Jack simply laugh the kid off and say, "you're a nobody, and I'm fucking New Jack. I call the shots, and you ain't getting shit on me."??? That isn't so hard, and while it reeks of being a primadonna, I'd rather work jobbing to a narcissist than end up like that kid.

He's a piece of shit who would be as well remembered as "Chilly Willy" or "Beautiful Billy Wiles," both of ECW fame, if he wasn't an abusive and unnecessarily violent garbage wrestler. He represents everything that's wrong about hardcore wrestling. There's no match, there's no wrestling, and there's no story. It's guy a hits guy b with barbed wire, then guy b hits guy a with flaming barbed wire, then guy a hits guy b with a staple gun, then guy b throws guy a throw eleven flaming broken glass covered tables. New Jack is not a wrestler. He's a piece of shit.
 
Speaking of New Jack, did he ever hold any titles or challenge for them while in ECW? Or did he just kinda work the mid card?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, while it *is* respect, it's not Lance Storm or Bret Hart respect. It's cowering and fear. It's "shut up and take it like a man or else you'll get it twn times worse." In other words, it's "be a fucking idiot." It's foolish to say anyone actually respects someone willing to take advantage of a fat newbie in wrestling, much less one who wants to plan a match with you. PLAN A fuckING MATCH!?!?! I don't care if you're Rob Conway asking to get spots in on The Undertaker, that's not professional, it's not ethical, and it shouldn't even be legal. Irrespective of the kid's age, the thing about a wrestling match is that, for the most part, it's two or more people collaborating with each other, trusting each other, and working to create the appearance of an uncertain and contested wrestling match. There's no collaboration in that match. There's no trust. Why couldn't New Jack simply laugh the kid off and say, "you're a nobody, and I'm fucking New Jack. I call the shots, and you ain't getting shit on me."??? That isn't so hard, and while it reeks of being a primadonna, I'd rather work jobbing to a narcissist than end up like that kid.

He's a piece of shit who would be as well remembered as "Chilly Willy" or "Beautiful Billy Wiles," both of ECW fame, if he wasn't an abusive and unnecessarily violent garbage wrestler. He represents everything that's wrong about hardcore wrestling. There's no match, there's no wrestling, and there's no story. It's guy a hits guy b with barbed wire, then guy b hits guy a with flaming barbed wire, then guy a hits guy b with a staple gun, then guy b throws guy a throw eleven flaming broken glass covered tables. New Jack is not a wrestler. He's a piece of shit.[/QUOTE]


Beautifully put. I've never understood why everyone puts ECW on a pedestal.

I just watched Joey Styles do his little shoot from monday night about what's wrong with sports entertainment. The entire time I was watching it I was thinking, "this is opposed to some of the garbage that went down with ECW and New Jack in particular." I suppose it was because it was still fresh in my mind from earlier but any company that lets someone like New Jack continue to operate is not only being irresponsible but its downright dangerous. At least with everything that's wrong with WWE its that some storylines are kind of lame or on the edge of good taste not that people's lives are in danger.
 
[quote name='cdeener']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPWv_6A7VtE

Here is the link to the rant by Joey Styles from Monday Night Raw for those like myself that didn't see it. I stopped watching Raw at about 10 because I was watching the Pistons and Red Wings.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit... I stop watching RAW for a week, and they came up with one of the most brilliant angles ever.

Joey Styles, who really did get stepped on and shoved in the background week after week, comes out and tells it like it is? That is brilliant.

Here's some extreme wrestling for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opgSk5krD0U&search=WWE ECW
 
I just read this via my PWTorch.com email membership and thought you might enjoy it. :D

[quote name='James Cadwell @ PWTorch.com']SUMMARY ON THE ECW BRAND. Bringing back the ECW brand has been discussed off-and-on and informally since the success of the ECW One Night Stand PPV in June 2005. The right time to strike seemed to be right after the PPV, but WWE opted to focus on building John Cena and Batista as the champions of Smackdown and Raw. Around the time of the April European tour, WWE management had formal discussions on revitalizing the ECW brand.

The deciding factor involved the potential to turn the ECW brand into additional revenue through various avenues under the Raw and Smackdown models. In 2001 when WWE bought the ECW brand, the company paid over $3.0 million for the intellectual property and video tape library. WWE decided it was time to earn a return on the investment.

ECW will operate under the WWE umbrella and have various marketing and production teams assembled to handle ECW-specific operations. TV shows and talent bookings will be approved by management in WWE. On the road, WWE will utilize current Raw and Smackdown agents to handle talent and put together matches. WWE booked the 12,000-seat Nutter Center in Dayton, Ohio for the first ECW-specific show with Raw and Smackdown talent also booked for the show. Afterwards, ECW will debut as a single brand at the ECW Arena on June 24. The current plan is to book smaller venues until they build more market awareness and there is more demand for the product.

WWE is currently seeking a late night timeslot for ECW on the USA Network or another cable network within the Universal family of networks. There are currently no plans to seek a head-to-head timeslot against TNA on Thursday nights or against the Saturday night replay.

Regarding the content, WWE will be keeping a close eye on the ECW product if the brand lands on a TV network. WWE does not want ECW to be kicked off the network for airing questionable content. Of course, if Vince McMahon groping a diva on camera and Lita and Edge performing various sex acts isn't grounds for getting kicked off TV, ECW will have to push the envelope very far to find any lines Vince McMahon hasn't crossed already.

As we have reported over the previous two weeks, WWE has already offered contracts to former ECW talents including Sabu, who wrestled his last match for TNA at the April 23 Lockdown PPV. WWE does not believe signing a talent roster will be an issue considering they will paid on time, which wasn't the case in ECW, and they will be paid a fair wage. Wrestlers from Raw and Smackdown who are not being utilized on the main two shows will be used on ECW, possibly at least at first as the heel antithesis to ECW. Prime candidates are wrestlers normally featured on Smackdown's Velocity show, which is being replaced by ECW online.

The ECW re-start is not expected to affect OVW, which will continue to be WWE's "Triple A affiliate," other than Paul Heyman switching over to the ECW brand. The ECW re-start will actually benefit OVW wrestlers, who have the opportunity to be called up sooner than before the ECW re-start because WWE will be looking for OVW talent to fill slots on the ECW brand shows.

Although plans can change, I have been told the current plan is John Cena vs. RVD for the WWE Championship at the ECW PPV. However, based on WWE's booking on Raw Monday night, Cena is being positioned as a strong babyface. Wrestling RVD, who is also a babyface, in front of an ECW crowd would hurt his babyface push, although WWE completely ignored ECW on Raw the night after the first ECW PPV. Cena could play heel on the PPV then return to his normal character on Raw, although it would be difficult to ignore a title switch if that is also part of the plan.

JC: Taking a wait-and-see attitude is the best approach when trying to sort out the combinations and impending decisions. However, the real challenge begins when WWE lays the groundwork for the ECW PPV with a main event of Cena-RVD while trying to keep Cena strong as a babyface and preparing to launch ECW all in one motion.[/quote]
 
Oh no... lesser used Smackdown and Raw stars??

I can't even begin to imagine the horror of Val Venis and Viscera in ECW :(

AND WHY WONT THEY TURN CENA HEEL!?!??!? How many boo's does it take for WWE to realize he is not a good face at all?
 
WWE needs to get it through their thick skulls that Cena is not going to be accepted as a face any longer. Do they not hear him getting boo'd out of the building week after week? This is just getting ridiculous.
 
[quote name='xxdeadp0olxx']WWE needs to get it through their thick skulls that Cena is not going to be accepted as a face any longer. Do they not hear him getting boo'd out of the building week after week? This is just getting ridiculous.[/quote]

There were actually quite a bit of face pops for Cena last night, even before HBK dished the assist.

All they really have to do is tone down the happy-go-lucky attitude a bit. When he goes out to his music he needs to take a page out of Austin's book. He doesn't need to copy the BMF walk but he needs to get his ass to the ring instead of fist-pumping and being excited at the top.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']There were actually quite a bit of face pops for Cena last night, even before HBK dished the assist.

All they really have to do is tone down the happy-go-lucky attitude a bit. When he goes out to his music he needs to take a page out of Austin's book. He doesn't need to copy the BMF walk but he needs to get his ass to the ring instead of fist-pumping and being excited at the top.[/quote]
True, he did get some pops last night but that seems like the first time in a long while. It just seems like his character is getting stale and needs a change. I am personally getting sick of him.
 
[quote name='xxdeadp0olxx']True, he did get some pops last night but that seems like the first time in a long while. It just seems like his character is getting stale and needs a change. I am personally getting sick of him.[/quote]

I sort of think they are keeping him a face for the sole purpose to piss people off, which in effect, makes him a de facto heel. They are well aware of the fact that people hate him, so instead of giving them what they want (which may make people happy and/or cheer for his new character), they'll just keep him this way and let things play out. For all intents and purposes, Cena is a heel.
 
I want ecw back as ecw not wwe. Vince for the love of god let some one eles run ecw. Stay away from it. Now we have wwe. Ecw coming back and wcw on tna. cool now when wwe sucks from people like the spirt squad we can turn and watch something eles
 
What? Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer will be in charge of ECW, as much as can be expected when WWE still owns the rights to it. I think that's the point you're trying to complain, at least.

[quote name='Roufuss']Oh no... lesser used Smackdown and Raw stars??

I can't even begin to imagine the horror of Val Venis and Viscera in ECW :([/quote]

I have a feeling that you'll be seeing stars more like Kendrick, London, Regal, Nunzio, Nova, etc. than people who have well known WWE careers as mid carders. I could be proven wrong, but it's just a feeling.
 
It'd be nice to see Regal,... do something. They aren't using him in Smackdown and if I had my way he'd be a main event level heel. Screw JBL, Regal should have his spot.

Such a waste of talent, I'm sure he could fit in ECW as some sort of "professional wrestler who's disgusted to be in the gutter league of wrestling" type heel gimmick. Which is pretty much always his gimmick but he does it so well.
 
Okay just finished watching RAW....

I must say that Joey Styles "shoot" was damn nice. Its funny that Vince McMahon would allow a segment like that on his flagship show which is acknowledging what many of us have been saying for a long time now. Too bad that even this won't get Vince to turn the ship around.

The main event was pretty decent too. Nice to see the WWE push someone new and fresh into a main event on RAW such as Kenny. Time will tell however if this will continue. But I'm all for seeing some new blood given a good push if they are talented of course. :D

And yes for god sakes either do the DX reformation or stop with the damn teases. Despite the fact that I rarely watch RAW these days I'm getting tired of being teased about it. Its much like having a girl tease you about wanting to have sex but then she knocks you down 20 seconds later.

Other then that pretty much a typical post PPV RAW that tried to make the PPV from the night before come across like as if you missed a major world shattering event. Not that it was bad but there wasn't much memorable outside of Joey's "shoot."
 
[quote name='xxdeadp0olxx']WWE needs to get it through their thick skulls that Cena is not going to be accepted as a face any longer. Do they not hear him getting boo'd out of the building week after week? This is just getting ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

all they have to do is take the title away from Cena. When Edge had the title he was gettig the crowd to turn back to his side, and with a few more months without it, he could have retained his current status and still been champ
 
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