CONFIRMED:HDMI-enabled black Xbox 360 out on April 29!

I remember when I paid extra to have somebody import a Crystal NTSC Xbox for me from Canada. Yes, it was a little more expensive than the normal xbox at the time, but I was stupid like that and it was Xmas time.

I'd probably pay the $80 premium on this new 360 if this was indeed the new 65 chip 360 than runs cooler and quieter.

MS apparently preys on suckers like me.
 
Can't wait for an "official" press release from Microsoft. All of these different articles are making my head spin. At $400 for a Premium 360 with a 120 HDD and HDMI, I'm in.
 
[quote name='Apossum']Especially to a new user who hasn't made up their mind, the Elite will seem pretty anemic compared to what you get for just a few bucks more with the PS3. it's not exactly a top-of-the-line, futureproof model--it's very middle of the road. Add the HD-DVD player and you're looking at over $700 after tax. If you sell your premium for $325-350 and get all that, you're near $800 after tax. Add in the official wireless adapter and...oh dear :lol: but of course, no one in their right mind would pay full price for a wi-fi adapter.

Yes, you can be fine with a premium, and for now it does have more games, but if we're looking at value and features outside of gaming, most people will be able to deduce which one is the better option.

all I'm saying is that it seems like a wasted opportunity to put out a truly appealing model.[/quote]

Oh my bad, I could have sworn I saw an XBOX Live Gamer Tag in your avatar section, didn't think you were a potential X360 buyer. I understand now, sorry.

It really comes down to what games you like, look at what the X360 and PS3 currently have to offer gaming wise and go from there.
 
[quote name='jeffreyjrose']Can't wait for an "official" press release from Microsoft. All of these different articles are making my head spin. At $400 for a Premium 360 with a 120 HDD and HDMI, I'm in.[/QUOTE]
I doubt that they will straight out say this until after the initial "Elite" bundles are sold out. Also if Sony has a PS3 price cut this fall like the rummours are stating they might release the new white Xbox 360at the $360/$350 price point.

The price is out of my range but I am excited that this new bigger HDD and HDMI support Xbox 360 will come out. I will not pay the price they are asking but I might "upgrade" my Xbox when the new premiums come out.

MS is doing this rather coy with the limited edition strategy but I see it working out for them. I guess it depends how much back stock they have before we see the White HDMI bigger HDD Premium systems on shelves. Most likely we will see it around the time Halo 3 comes out.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Why? Wii has everything you need right out of the box to start playing, hell it even comes with a game.

The core dosen't, and it dosen't come with everything you need to start playing, mainly the overpriced memory card.[/quote]

i agree, but joe consumer wont see it that way. a pricepoint like that for the core will really be enticing to a lot of consumers.

but the more i think about the price point for the elite system, the more i think i would rather just get a 20gig ps3
 
$480....Hmm think I'll stay with my loudass launch 360 hope it doesn't crap out and put that money towards a PS3.
 
I hope this isn't an April Fool's Joke, I mean the black system looks cool, but what I would like is the black 360 controller instead of white. I also hope that the 120 GB HD will be compatible with a non-elite 360, because it would suck if it is not.
 
Yeah, I'm curious to get more info on all of this. I have the ability to pick up a 360 at the beginning of April... but now I may just kick the extra money in and get the Elite. BUT (and that's a huge one), if it's true that it doesn't have the better chips and the one out around August will AND actually may be cheaper, I'm gonna wait.

So, for those in the know, this may actually affect new 360 sales more than it helps. I've gone this long without one, so what's another few months, right? I can't be the only one thinking that.
 
I guess I just don't get why Microsoft would charge $480 for a system that is supposed to fix the problems that killed a lot of the launch systems.

That quieter (read - less motor strain) drive should be standard, or at least part of the replacement plan. If my system takes a shit, the last thing I want is Microsoft replacing it with another faulty drive.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Oh my bad, I could have sworn I saw an XBOX Live Gamer Tag in your avatar section, didn't think you were a potential X360 buyer. I understand now, sorry.

It really comes down to what games you like, look at what the X360 and PS3 currently have to offer gaming wise and go from there.[/QUOTE]


no problem. I should get that out of there...sold my 360 as there isn't much I want for a long while. Though this new news might make me repurchase it sooner :)
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']

How much you want to bet the incentive for the "white Elite" (new premium) will be the 65nm chips that the Elite probably won't have?[/QUOTE]

Well, damn, how did I miss this thread all day ;). I've been waiting for this news to drop.

Anyway, I am worried about this for 2 reasons. One, the LE aspect: I thought I was done with console preorders and limited availability for a while #-o. Two, I also worry about the 65nm aspect. Hopefully paying the premium for this means we do get that as well - then it becomes standard, reverts back to white, and sells for $400 again. I have no problem paying $480 in April for this "Elite" one if so, as I have been holding off on buying a 360 for just this reason. Now, if this Elite is still the old chipset and then they release a white one cheaper but with the new chipset then I'll be kind of pissed. But I suppose my "Limited Edition" black one might be worth at least what I paid for it and I could possibly sell it for the newer one late in the year.

So, to summarize, as a potential new 360 owner, this is exactly what I've been waiting for. The $480 is fine with me, the 120GB HD is great, the HDMI is a meh (only have a DVI-input TV), the "cooler" running machine is excellent... Now, if it has the 65nm chipset and is much quieter then I'm all set.

One small back-of-my-mind worry: with the new digital output, will they gimp the system like the PS3 for owners of older HDTV's that only do 420p or 1080i? I still need the 360 to have a built-in scaler to convert 720p to 1080i. I'm slightly worried about this because in some of the previous rumors they were showing a new digital scaler chip for the HDMI output - if this replaces the analog one I'm worried they might pull a Sony on me. If that's the case, and I can only get 480p on both of these "next-gen" systems, then I'll just stick with the Wii, which provides that as well. (Yes, some 360 and PS3 games support 1080i native, but not most of them as far as I can tell).

Edit - It should be noted (and maybe it has been, I didn't read the entire thread) that if this is true, the Gamecrazy SKU that popped up momentarily a few weeks ago and reported here by a CAG was spot on. Hopefully that's where I can get my system preordered, especially if it really ends up being limited (limited or not, I assume it will be hard to find at first).
 
[quote name='Apossum']if by "replacing the premium" they mean it'll drop back to $400, then that's not so bad. though that's kind of a slight to the 10 million who already bought it.[/quote]

Is that what you say about people who bought last year's car model when the car manufacturer come out with an update?

You are paying a premium for having it before everyone else gets it. Those that hold off until price drops or late in the life cycle of the system miss out on the enjoyment they could have had, had they purchased it earlier. It is a trade off.
 
[quote name='karkyco']Is that what you say about people who bought last year's car model when the car manufacturer come out with an update?

You are paying a premium for having it before everyone else gets it. Those that hold off until price drops or late in the life cycle of the system miss out on the enjoyment they could have had, had they purchased it earlier. It is a trade off.[/QUOTE]

God fucking dammit, the 360 is not a fucking car.
 
[quote name='karkyco']Is that what you say about people who bought last year's car model when the car manufacturer come out with an update?

You are paying a premium for having it before everyone else gets it. Those that hold off until price drops or late in the life cycle of the system miss out on the enjoyment they could have had, had they purchased it earlier. It is a trade off.[/quote]Remember back in teh day when the "premium" you were paying for a launch console was a higher price, and not less functionality? Then we had to start comparing them to cars.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']God fucking dammit, the 360 is not a fucking car.[/QUOTE]

People act like they can't play their games anymore.

Electronics usually have revisions more often than cars. Just like with the iPods.

People get over it.
 
[quote name='karkyco']Is that what you say about people who bought last year's car model when the car manufacturer come out with an update?

You are paying a premium for having it before everyone else gets it. Those that hold off until price drops or late in the life cycle of the system miss out on the enjoyment they could have had, had they purchased it earlier. It is a trade off.[/QUOTE]
hahaha. I'm speechless. The 2007 Ford 360...
 
Too bad the $300 premium didn't happen...that probably would have gotten me to get a 360.

And whats the deal with the whole upgrade console? (I'm at school so the sites are blocked so I can't read it.)
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Why couldn't they have made it black in the first place... :roll:[/QUOTE]

Because everyone would have said they were just trying to be like Sony.
 
[quote name='tayaf69']hahaha. I'm speechless. The 2007 Ford 360...[/QUOTE]

Well, from what I've seen on CAG, the current models *sound* like a car (or an airplane maybe). Does that count?
 
[quote name='io']
So, to summarize, as a potential new 360 owner, this is exactly what I've been waiting for. The $480 is fine with me, the 120GB HD is great, the HDMI is a meh (only have a DVI-input TV), the "cooler" running machine is excellent... Now, if it has the 65nm chipset and is much quieter then I'm all set.
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I'm exactly in step with io on this one. I've been holding out on a 360 for the exact same reasons. (well that and the 20 or so PS2 games on my backlog....damn rpgs) If it has HDMI, 65 nm, etc, I'm in for $480. That and black is my favorite color ;)
 
This is about the farthest thing from confirmed as possible. Also, if it is true, it'd be a major fuck-up on Microsoft's part: raising the price of the premium level Xbox greatly reduces the strongest argument to go with a 360 vs a PS3, the rather large price differential.
 
[quote name='sallyballs']I'm exactly in step with io on this one. I've been holding out on a 360 for the exact same reasons. (well that and the 20 or so PS2 games on my backlog....damn rpgs) If it has HDMI, 65 nm, etc, I'm in for $480. That and black is my favorite color ;)[/QUOTE]

Well, actually, we're in the same boat with the PS2 RPG's as well. I just started Rogue Galaxy last week, and still have dozens of others in the backlog, not to mention my backlog of GC, DS, and, yes, even Wii games.

This is why I can wait on the 360. The only pressure I have in buying one sooner rather than later (like in the Fall) is that I have two of the Xbox Live kits that I got on clearance and the cards expire at the end of June so I'll have to use them by then ;). Plus I've bought several 360 games at not quite dirt-cheap prices (like a used Viva Pinata). If I wait too much longer I'll find those games much cheaper and that will deeply wound my CAG pride.

alongx - while I agree it is not confirmed, it is hardly "the farthest thing from confirmed as possible". I'd say that was the state of this rumor in Jan when it first appeared. There has been much more evidence for it since then so I'd definitely say it is at least half way towards being confirmed ;). MS is not going to come out with any confirmation until the very latest possible moment as they don't want to effect sales of the current models.
 
[quote name='alongx']This is about the farthest thing from confirmed as possible. Also, if it is true, it'd be a major fuck-up on Microsoft's part: raising the price of the premium level Xbox greatly reduces the strongest argument to go with a 360 vs a PS3, the rather large price differential.[/QUOTE]

There will be 3 skus so the premium is still there. Price differential would be the same as before.
 
We got an email at my Gamestop that they're working on getting an allocation quantity, but after they do that, we'll be taking reserves for it. They don't have a date as of yet though.
 
[quote name='io']Well, actually, we're in the same boat with the PS2 RPG's as well. I just started Rogue Galaxy last week, and still have dozens of others in the backlog, not to mention my backlog of GC, DS, and, yes, even Wii games.
[/QUOTE]

I hear ya brother, I haven't even bothered buying Rogue Galaxy yet. I'm still working on FFXII then onto the Atlus/NIS games.
 
[quote name='OGHowie']People act like they can't play their games anymore.

Electronics usually have revisions more often than cars. Just like with the iPods.

People get over it.[/QUOTE]

You can't play too many games on a broken system, to be honest. And yeah, if this system runs cooler and uses the new chips, maybe the 360 will be reliable like it should've been in the first place. Maybe then we won't need a fucking coffin thread because everyone's system is breaking. This isn't merely a cosmetic revision or a revision to make the system use HDMI... this is a fixed version of the system and it screws over customers who bought the system prior to this.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']You can't play too many games on a broken system, to be honest. And yeah, if this system runs cooler and uses the new chips, maybe the 360 will be reliable like it should've been in the first place. Maybe then we won't need a fucking coffin thread because everyone's system is breaking. This isn't merely a cosmetic revision or a revision to make the system use HDMI... this is a fixed version of the system and it screws over customers who bought the system prior to this.[/QUOTE]

Sad thing is, I'm sure the new systems will have some kinks too. Now do you want to be an early adopter of the 65nm chips?

It never ends.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']God fucking dammit, the 360 is not a fucking car.[/quote]

Yeah, no shit. But it is just another disposable consumer electronic, and these (along with virtually all games) depreciate over time. You can either choose to save money, buy it in the future, and not enjoy it in the present, or pay more for the ability to play it now.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']You can't play too many games on a broken system, to be honest. And yeah, if this system runs cooler and uses the new chips, maybe the 360 will be reliable like it should've been in the first place. Maybe then we won't need a fucking coffin thread because everyone's system is breaking. This isn't merely a cosmetic revision or a revision to make the system use HDMI... this is a fixed version of the system and it screws over customers who bought the system prior to this.[/quote]

Sounds pretty damn similar to "rumors" surround failure rates in original XBoxes, PS2's, PS1's, Dreamcasts....hell I wonder if PS3 and the Wii will have similar "rumors". With launch systems, one ancient phrase comes to mind...Caveat Emptor.

I personally had to pull the old switcheroo on 2 Dreamcasts and 2 PS1's, and had very near launch/original ones of each.
 
[quote name='OGHowie']Sad thing is, I'm sure the new systems will have some kinks too. Now do you want to be an early adopter of the 65nm chips?

It never ends.[/QUOTE]

No shit. Dude bitches more than a drunk chick on Real World. This screws over nobody. It's a bullshit crybaby non-point, and I'd wish people would stop bringing it up.
 
[quote name='karkyco']Is that what you say about people who bought last year's car model when the car manufacturer come out with an update?

You are paying a premium for having it before everyone else gets it. Those that hold off until price drops or late in the life cycle of the system miss out on the enjoyment they could have had, had they purchased it earlier. It is a trade off.[/QUOTE]


The auto industry is a different story...you know next year's model is coming out.

that's not how it has worked in the game industry. System revisions are fine, even welcome after a few years. $230 for the core is great, but the new machine is kind of an abortion. who needs 120gb, where's wireless/hd-dvd, and why didn't they wait to make a slim, more energy efficient model?

I guess it's possible to rush a half-assed revision too. The fact that it's priced so close to the premium and that it'll replace the premium makes it like a second launch...which slights the people who already bought the supposed "premium" system.

it's just an odd business move..like I said, this is the model I'll be getting regardless.

now if the built-in HD-DVD model comes out next year, then I'm burning down MS headquarters :lol:
 
[quote name='karkyco']Sounds pretty damn similar to "rumors" surround failure rates in original XBoxes, PS2's, PS1's, Dreamcasts....hell I wonder if PS3 and the Wii will have similar "rumors". With launch systems, one ancient phrase comes to mind...Caveat Emptor.[/QUOTE]

Right, well I don't see a stickied "ZOMG my Wii/PS3 died" thread and it sure as hell isn't 37 pages long. Sure, older systems like the PS2 had issues with DRE's, but I don't think any system has been such a disaster in terms of technical failure as the 360. Now MS is presumably replacing that hardware with fixed hardware and that hardly strikes me as a mere upgrade... more like fixing hardware that was clearly faulty from the start. It's complete bullshit.
 
[quote name='io']while I agree it is not confirmed, it is hardly "the farthest thing from confirmed as possible". I'd say that was the state of this rumor in Jan when it first appeared. There has been much more evidence for it since then so I'd definitely say it is at least half way towards being confirmed ;).[/QUOTE]

Where has there been any evidence whatsoever? Microsoft confirmed that they were doing hardware reduction/improvement experiments, but all we have so far are two pictures that could have very easily been photoshopped. Adding a few "an in-the-know guy I know gave me the scoop" reports doesn't really add to the initial rumor, especially since this latest rehash comes from the April edition of GI.


[quote name='OGHowie']There will be 3 skus so the premium is still there. Price differential would be the same as before.[/QUOTE]

No, it effectively would not. As is, the comparisons made in price point to the difference between the high-end 360 and the low-end PS3. When $20 more gets you Blu-ray, the PS3 starts looking a lot more appetizing. Furthermore, at a time when Microsoft is downgrading estimates of units shipped and are behind their goals of units sold, it would be an extremely poor idea to try to market an even more expensive box to consumers unwilling to pay the current price.
 
[quote name='alongx']Where has there been any evidence whatsoever? Microsoft confirmed that they were doing hardware reduction/improvement experiments, but all we have so far are two pictures that could have very easily been photoshopped. Adding a few "an in-the-know guy I know gave me the scoop" reports doesn't really add to the initial rumor, especially since this latest rehash comes from the April edition of GI.
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G.I. doesn't run fake news stories in their april issues though. they always do some obvious spoof on their own mag for a few pages.


No, it effectively would not. As is, the comparisons made in price point to the difference between the high-end 360 and the low-end PS3. When $20 more gets you Blu-ray, the PS3 starts looking a lot more appetizing. Furthermore, at a time when Microsoft is downgrading estimates of units shipped and are behind their goals of units sold, it would be an extremely poor idea to try to market an even more expensive box to consumers unwilling to pay the current price.
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yes. I officially never want to hear that the PS3 is a rip again. If you get this model up to spec with a 60gb PS3 features-wise, you're easily over $800 after tax. lets not forget you get the other 2 playstations with your ps3 as well.
 
[quote name='Apossum'] lets not forget you get the other 2 playstations with your ps3 as well.[/QUOTE]

You get 1/3 of an Xbox with your 360 though. The best third of the library too. What value!
 
[quote name='whataboutbob?']say you do get the new 120 gb version...how do you transfer over the data from your old 20 gb harddrive?[/QUOTE]

Memory Card?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Because everyone would have said they were just trying to be like Sony.[/quote]

Meh... they did with the first xBox. Who cares. I fucking hate white.
 
By the way, I just ordered the Xport so I can make a video review...so you may want to hold off on the purchase for a week or two.
 
[quote name='karkyco']Sounds pretty damn similar to "rumors" surround failure rates in original XBoxes, PS2's, PS1's, Dreamcasts....hell I wonder if PS3 and the Wii will have similar "rumors". With launch systems, one ancient phrase comes to mind...Caveat Emptor.

I personally had to pull the old switcheroo on 2 Dreamcasts and 2 PS1's, and had very near launch/original ones of each.[/QUOTE]

Rumors? Someone nudged into my entertainment center while my 360 was on and the fucking thing red lighted and broke.

Microsoft makes extremely shitty pieces of hardware... strangely out of the 20 years I've been gaming only my Xbox and Xbox 360 ever broke on me.

Rumors my ass...amazingly enough it was a launch Xbox and a close to launch 360 that broke on me.
 
Hmm... I'd really like to replace my 360 with this new model but there's no way I'm shelling out that much money and not getting a PS3. Maybe if I could get like $300 trade-in on my current system...
 
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