CONFIRMED:HDMI-enabled black Xbox 360 out on April 29!

[quote name='sallyballs']Craps amighty...here we go again. Don't hold your breath. That same logic would say Halo 3 is coming out for the Wii and PS3. I'm sure the cost of *that* is pretty high as well.

Sony didn't become one of the largest electronics manufacturers by shear luck. Despite the much publicized mistakes of the PS3 launch, they kinda know what they are doing as a corporate entity. If Konami felt that porting MGS4 to the 360 would help cover their costs, you really think Sony would not simply attempt to help defray the costs a bit? MGS4 is their Halo 3. They are likely banking on it to move a lot of systems (I personally have no need for a PS3 until its release. When that day comes, goodbye sunlight for a week). There is no other game synonymous with the PS brand like MGS (Well okay Final Fantasy). Ever since MGS turned into such a gaming phenomena (Its damn near a cult), Sony knew it could not lose its exclusivity, and it most likely won't. (Where is the XBOX or GC MGS3?)

The preceding message was not posted by a "fanboy". I have neither a 360 nor a PS3, nor a Wii. I plan on having all three at some point and could not give two squirts of monkey pee about arguing which is better. I just want to argue some common sense.[/QUOTE]

The Halo 3 comparison doesn't even work because that is a first party game made by a developer owned by MS. Now if I thought God of War 3 was coming to the 360, then I'd definitely be dreaming.

You act like Sony is the only one that would try to court Konami for MGS4. Couldn't MS be doing the exact same thing? Who expected GTAIV to come out on the 360 until it was announced? Devil May Cry 4? Common sense says Microsoft has just as much money and reason to be trying to get MGS4 on the 360 and even a Final Fantasy game for that matter. Whether it happens remains to be seen, but it is a definite possibility.

Also, I already own all 3 systems so I believe I can look at this pretty objectively.
 
well I probably wouldn't download ANY movies or tv shows...not my thing...I'd sooner buy, and I don't really enjoy tv reruns.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']I think general consumers associate HD more with "widescreen" and "flat" and simply the idea that it looks better. Start asking them if their TV supports HDMI, 720P, 1080P, 1080i, etc... and you'll get a lot of blank stares and the occasional "it says HDTV right there on the front of it".

And there's not too big of a market for standard def TVs anymore. Walk into any Best Buy and HDTVs outnumber standard def units by at least 3 to 1.[/QUOTE]




you got a point, people may not know about 720 vs 1080. HOwever, you have to start somewhere... and getting the HD products into homes are [is] the first step. A lot of consumers got a bad taste in their mouths when they realized that their first set of HDTVs didn't have "HD tuners" in them, so then they had to run out and buy an HD tuner which was pretty expensive a while ago. [meaning] People have had a lot of experience with HD, and of course there's more to come... heck I just learned about 720p and 1080i and 1080p, etc... when there's new toys on the market, folks get eager to learn.

SDTVs are a waste of money now... unless you just need something to get you [by]... but if you're tryingto get a home theater, or really do something decent you have jump up to an HDTV, or wait till black friday to buy your tv (if you're looking for a deal)
 
[quote name='OGHowie']Hope this is true.[/QUOTE]
Same here. If there is no hard drive transfer cable, there is exactly zero chance of me ever upgrading to the elite.
 
[quote name='sonderiaom']I wouldn't buy the new 'Elite' for $480, but if they drop the premium down to $300 as well, I would surely pick it up.[/QUOTE]



you damn right! That's what I'm waiting for!
 
[quote name='OGHowie']The Halo 3 comparison doesn't even work because that is a first party game made by a developer owned by MS. Now if I thought God of War 3 was coming to the 360, then I'd definitely be dreaming.

You act like Sony is the only one that would try to court Konami for MGS4. Couldn't MS be doing the exact same thing? Who expected GTAIV to come out on the 360 until it was announced? Devil May Cry 4? Common sense says Microsoft has just as much money and reason to be trying to get MGS4 on the 360 and even a Final Fantasy game for that matter. Whether it happens remains to be seen, but it is a definite possibility.

Also, I already own all 3 systems so I believe I can look at this pretty objectively.[/QUOTE]


Fair point on the Halo 3. GOW would have been a better comparison.

Oh I don't doubt for a second that MS will consider it, my point is that Sony has too much to lose to let it happen.
 
[quote name='sallyballs']Craps amighty...here we go again. Don't hold your breath. That same logic would say Halo 3 is coming out for the Wii and PS3. I'm sure the cost of *that* is pretty high as well.

Sony didn't become one of the largest electronics manufacturers by shear luck. Despite the much publicized mistakes of the PS3 launch, they kinda know what they are doing as a corporate entity. If Konami felt that porting MGS4 to the 360 would help cover their costs, you really think Sony would not simply attempt to help defray the costs a bit? MGS4 is their Halo 3. They are likely banking on it to move a lot of systems (I personally have no need for a PS3 until its release. When that day comes, goodbye sunlight for a week). There is no other game synonymous with the PS brand like MGS (Well okay Final Fantasy). Ever since MGS turned into such a gaming phenomena (Its damn near a cult), Sony knew it could not lose its exclusivity, and it most likely won't. (Where is the XBOX or GC MGS3?)

The preceding message was not posted by a "fanboy". I have neither a 360 nor a PS3, nor a Wii. I plan on having all three at some point and could not give two squirts of monkey pee about arguing which is better. I just want to argue some common sense.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say you're a fanboy, but your examples leave a bit to be desired and your "common sense" needs a revision. Halo and MGS4, from a multiplatform standpoint, are apples and oranges. Konami has no concrete allegiance to Sony. Bungie is allied with Microsoft game studios.

It's like comparing Resident Evil and Halo, and we know how that turned out.

You really think Sony didn't value the GTA titles as much as they do Metal Gear? That didn't stop it from happening.

I'm not saying it's going to happen for sure, but the chances are much, MUCH greater than Halo going to the PS3. As OGHowie said, God of War is a more valid comparison.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']I wouldn't say you're a fanboy, but your examples leave a bit to be desired and your "common sense" needs a revision. Halo and MGS4, from a multiplatform standpoint, are apples and oranges. Konami has no concrete allegiance to Sony. Bungie is allied with Microsoft game studios.

It's like comparing Resident Evil and Halo, and we know how that turned out.

You really think Sony didn't value the GTA titles as much as they do Metal Gear? That didn't stop it from happening.

I'm not saying it's going to happen for sure, but the chances are much, MUCH greater than Halo going to the PS3. As OGHowie said, God of War is a more valid comparison.[/QUOTE]


I already conceded the Halo comparison. My point in using it was that Halo and MGS are two games with rabid followings. GOW...not so much. Same for GTA. They do not have the following of either Halo or MGS. Forget overall sales numbers for a second. How much of an impact will GTA have on a person's decision to buy a system if they don't already own it? If GTA were exclusive to PS3 still would it generate as many new console sales as MGS4 would? Like Halo 3, every little morsel of news on MGS4 stirs up a frenzy. Kojima himself is revered as a gaming god. Sony knows this, and will do everything in their power to keep MGS4 all to themselves. Sure it may be ported but I may get hit by lightning too. If I am wrong in the long run, fine, but from a business perspective I have too much respect for Sony as a corporation to screw *that* up.
 
How many exclusives does a system need... xbox has two great exclusives that will make people buy 360s.... Gears of War, and Halo (and maybe Mass Effect) imo. Sony will have exclusives... but like I've been saying... let these old franchises go, and try to make other games exclusive... who cares that Ridge racer 7! goes multiformat, or DMC 4!. Sony needs to be very selective about what exclusives they want. Once upon a time ago, Sony had crash as not only an exclusive, but as a Sony mascot... and that ended up on gamecube.. First party titles are the exclusives that matter most... because long running franchises that aren't first party will find their way onto other systems one day... GTA had its day with ps2, and sony enjoyed the profit as well... but like Nintendo... you have to do it yourself.
 
KaneRobot;2767644: "Konami has no concrete allegiance to Sony. Bungie is allied with Microsoft game studios."



To be clear: Microsoft owns Bungie, just like they own Rare; hence you won't see a Bungie game show up on a non-MS platform. Konami is an independent developer/publisher so they are equally likely to release on multi-platform.

I too hope in a way that MGS4 comes to the 360; but most, if not all, next-gen multi-platform releases are a bit weak because of the need to program across differing hardware specs. I never played MGS2 on the Xbox, but I read that it had some technical issues.
 
So the big question is when will stores like EB and GC start taking preorders for this thing and is it going to be as limited and hard to get (camping out for preorders?) as the Wii/PS3 were at first?

I want one of these suckers to start playing this pile of 360 games I've been collecting. I'll be pretty pissed if I miss out on the preorders and have to wait till Fall to get the regular version with the upgrades. Fortunately I'm 'in' with 2 different stores (an EB and a GC) just from my frequent trading/purchases there. So hopefully as soon as any info breaks (which I'm sure I'll hear on CAG first) I can hit them up and see if I can get a preorder in. I will probably do both to be safe, if I can.
 
remember that Sony paid Take 2 to make GTA exclusive for some time. When it wasannounced, it was supposed to be a dual release on XBOX also. So it is impotant. A GTA release is a big event just like a HALO or MGS. Hell, the game even posted good sales in japan a few weeks ago too.
 
When do you guys think this price drop WILL occur? I'd like a 100 dollar less 360 for summer, or a better one for the same price. Seems dumb to buy/keep a new 360 now with a new one right around the corner...I dunno...
 
[quote name='Sku Rhim']KaneRobot;2767644: "Konami has no concrete allegiance to Sony. Bungie is allied with Microsoft game studios."



To be clear: Microsoft owns Bungie, just like they own Rare; hence you won't see a Bungie game show up on a non-MS platform. Konami is an independent developer/publisher so they are equally likely to release on multi-platform.

I too hope in a way that MGS4 comes to the 360; but most, if not all, next-gen multi-platform releases are a bit weak because of the need to program across differing hardware specs. I never played MGS2 on the Xbox, but I read that it had some technical issues.[/QUOTE]


more importantly, nobody bought it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']$480? Shit, that makes the PS3 look like a fuckin' steal at that price.

Where's propellor-head to tell me that I was right and he was wrong?[/quote]
im right here and its propeller_head :lol:

i was right though. you just didnt read everything.

it will be dropping to the Premium's price 3 months after it's out and returning to the standard white color. the black model is just a "limited edtion" which im assuming is supposed to appeal to the fanboys. they probably saw how many idiots were buying $1200 PS3s and figured they could scrounge an extra $80 for a "limited edition" for a couple months.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=8017&dateline=2005
 
[quote name='propeller_head']im right here and its propeller_head :lol:

i was right though. you just didnt read everything.

it will be dropping to the Premium's price 3 months after it's out and returning to the standard white color. the black model is just a "limited edtion" which im assuming is supposed to appeal to the fanboys. they probably saw how many idiots were buying $1200 PS3s and figured they could scrounge an extra $80 for a "limited edition" for a couple months.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/image.php?u=8017&dateline=2005[/QUOTE]


Is it confirmed that they're dropping it to $400?
 
Ya that's what I'd like to know...and I'd like to know when the premium we know now drops to 300/350 or w/e and when the new Premium/Extreme drops to 400...any ideaS??
 
[quote name='Spades22']Ya that's what I'd like to know...and I'd like to know when the premium we know now drops to 300/350 or w/e and when the new Premium/Extreme drops to 400...any ideaS??[/QUOTE]
As far as I understand the white "elite" will replace the "premium" model.
 
[quote name='Apossum']Is it confirmed that they're dropping it to $400?[/quote]
confirmed from MS? no. but the elite model hasnt been confirmed either.

from the newest engaget article

  • Eventually Elite hardware (in white plastics) will take the role of the Xbox Premium. That is to say, after the Elite is launched and sold out, future Xbox Premiums will have 120GB / HDMI.
  • We do not yet know exactly when 120GB / HDMI will become the standard for Premium, but it is loosely estimated to be late summer or fall.
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once its not 'Limited' anymore this summer the price should drop to at least the old premium's. and the premium might become the new core & the core be dropped like the earlier xboxic article suggested

http://www.xboxic.com/news/2565
 
yes, but will it replace it price-wise is the question. I can't imagine then killing the premium and only having a $480 model out.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']im right here and its propeller_head :lol:

i was right though. you just didnt read everything.

it will be dropping to the Premium's price 3 months after it's out and returning to the standard white color. the black model is just a "limited edtion" which im assuming is supposed to appeal to the fanboys. they probably saw how many idiots were buying $1200 PS3s and figured they could scrounge an extra $80 for a "limited edition" for a couple months.[/QUOTE]

Funny that you accuse me of not reading everything; further down that same page:

Prices may remain the same with the 120GB / HDMI hardware upgrade in the Premium Xbox, but we may still see a price cut on the line when 65nm chips start shipping.
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Now, we could argue day and night about whether this means that the upgraded premium (120GB HDD/HDMI) will retail for $400 or $480, but given that they say "we may still see a price cut on the line when 65nm chips start shipping," we can easily conclude that they're suggesting that the upgraded Premium system will retail for $480, not $400. At least, for the moment.

How absurd of Microsoft to up the retail price of something right before a planned price drop? Really, now, I would have figured you would know better. Only the oil industry operates like that.
 
I'd say it's rather smart...the black ones will sell out quickly to the impatient people, so they can make more bucks before they go back to normal with the price drops, and possibly get people excited with the once ever "limited edition"...

I'm sure Microsoft's marketing guys know better than you in stuff like this
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Funny that you accuse me of not reading everything; further down that same page:



Now, we could argue day and night about whether this means that the upgraded premium (120GB HDD/HDMI) will retail for $400 or $480, but given that they say "we may still see a price cut on the line when 65nm chips start shipping," we can easily conclude that they're suggesting that the upgraded Premium system will retail for $480, not $400. At least, for the moment.

How absurd of Microsoft to up the retail price of something right before a planned price drop? Really, now, I would have figured you would know better. Only the oil industry operates like that.[/quote]
that just backs up what i said. they say the "Limited" black one may have 65 nm because it does run cooler. if that's the case, they've already taped them out & need that few month buffer period to get the numbers out for a geniune "Non-limited" price drop launch including them.

now they were supposed to have the 65nms out this summer anyway. so its only logical that's when the Limited edition would be replacing the premium & the 20GB premium receiving a price cut.

they say it may keep the price. but i dont see that happening, if that were the case; the Limited edition wouldnt be very limited. limited = exclusive, more rare, an excuse for a higher price. if they rebadge it Premium and it becomes white again they would all but have to at least return it to $400 again. the speculation re: 65nm bringing the price cut is not because its needed for a price cut, so much as it would be something for it to coincide w/.
 
I've lost track of where you guys are arguing from ;). But in any case, here's my take. I think MS is walking a fine line here and from what we've heard of this new model I think they are doing it in a smart way.

STEP ONE: Release the Black case/120GB/HDMI/possibly 65nm cooler processor at $480 as a Limited Edition "Elite" model. The reason for the LE and pricing is as follows:

a) They can get away with coming within $20 of the low-end PS3 because this is a limited edition and not the "main" line. If it is truly limited to a few hundred thousand it will sell out with no problem thus not putting it in any danger of it shelf-sitting and the general public thinking it is overpriced (which they might do if it was the new permanent price point for the premium).

b) Also, this pisses of the early adopters slightly less than if they had released it at $400.

c) If the 65nm chips are part of this model (speculation at this point of course), then, as propeller dude says, they might have limited quantities of those now and this LE model is the perfect way to roll those out early, make some good money on them, all while the mass production is ramping up.

d) Since the new chipset might be limited at first this LE model primes people for the inevitable shortages - now we expect shortages up front and won't get all over MS's case when the new one is hard to find. If this had just been a new version of the Premium and they had trouble supplying it they'd be in bigger trouble.

STEP TWO: Revert back to the white model but with all the features of the "Elite" and roll back the price to $400. The reasons this makes sense are:

a) The "Elite" model has sold out and now they can put the features back into the old-style casing while maintaining the the value of the "Elite" with $80 worth of bragging rights (its black case) for it's owners. (Yes, I know this is silly but it is a small psychological thing for adopters of the Elite so they aren't too upset when it drops $80 in a few months - at least theirs is different).

b) 65nm chips are rolling out now and thus the main model is easy (and cheaper) to produce. MS keeps the supply of the new ones up AND makes even more money off the systems.

c) PS3 isn't going to drop before Fall, so no need to drop the price of the standard model below $400. And even if the PS3 drops, MS is in a good position to match that drop.

STEP THREE: Either in response to a PS3 drop, or to really stick it to Sony, they drop this new model down to $350 or so towards Christmas time (AFTER everyone who has held off so far buys one for Halo 3 - no need to drop the price before then!).

In the mean time, I would expect the current premium and core to stay at their current prices when the Elite comes out. Then maybe they drop those two by $50 or $100 when the Elite features get added back at the $400 price. I don't know where this alleged $230 EB/GS Sku comes in though...

In other news, I stopped into my GC tonight and while they had heard of this, they still had no entry for it in their system (as expected until MS makes it official). I just wanted to stop in and let them know that I want to preorder ASAP, so some face time there was important.
 
Oh man. We will see price cut when PS3 drop down $100 later this year. I waited too long for new model and i can wait for price cut.
 
Thank god this black model won't be standard. IMO the dev kits look ugly.


And guys, not that I'm saying there's much chance of this being a hoax, but just because engadget says it doesn't mean it's true. Still no microsoft press release.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Thank god this black model won't be standard. IMO the dev kits look ugly.[/QUOTE]

That's probably because the dev kits are more gray then black.

I know what you mean though cause I'm starting to prefer my White 360, especially compared to the Glossy Black PS3.
 
Last thread was closed for some reason.

There's supposed to be info in a new Game Informer...but I subscribe, and haven't gotten it yet, I guess?

Anyway, this is from Propeller Head I think:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/x...d-120gb-drive/

Confirmed.

will have 120GB Hard Drive, HDMI, and be colored space black as well as the controllers.

cost will be $479 until about July when it should be re-released as the Premium, in white for $400.

it's confirmed to run cooler, but no confirmation as to if it has 65nm

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/game-ma...ing-245472.php
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My reactions:

-I mainly want to know if it's QUIETER. I don't really care about HDMI or a larger drive.
-Sounds like it's worth waiting for it to drop in price. I mean $80 more for an HDMI port and a larger drive? Eh...I guess it's not a total rip off, but somehow it just doesn't seem worth it to me.
-That thing is UGLY. I *HATE* the dorky chrome plating on the 360, but it looks even WORSE when the system is black.
-I was hoping for more of a real redesign. Oh well, at least it's apparently something of an upgrade.
 
Leaked photos or Photoshop?

black-xbox-360-elite-02.jpg


black-xbox-360-elite-comparison.jpg


black-xbox-360-elite-01.jpg

http://www.xboxic.com/news/2625
 
Well I could care less about the color as I skinned my box and I don't mind the machine being loud because I play my games in surround sound so I don't usually hear the machine unless I'm starting it up but hey I can live with it. I want the HDD because I've filled my 20gig to the max and deleted stuff many times over now. I hope I can just buy the 120 gig HDD but it sounds like I will not be able to get my hands on it until the elite deal reverts back to the premiums. I'll laugh like crazy if the Elites all fail like the first launch units.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Leaked photos or Photoshop?

black-xbox-360-elite-02.jpg

http://www.xboxic.com/news/2625[/quote] probably PShopped. if its loosely based on reality though it is interesting.

it would appear to also include the Live! camera, WiFi, Wireless headset, quick charge kit, Play & charge kit, & im not sure what that 3+ is. if its a 3 year warranty & it comes w/ all those accessories $80 doesnt seem like so much more.

then again, this is probably just a PShop job based on some1s wild imagination.:whistle2:|
 
[quote name='Spybreak8']Well I could care less about the color as I skinned my box and I don't mind the machine being loud because I play my games in surround sound so I don't usually hear the machine unless I'm starting it up but hey I can live with it. I want the HDD because I've filled my 20gig to the max and deleted stuff many times over now. I hope I can just buy the 120 gig HDD but it sounds like I will not be able to get my hands on it until the elite deal reverts back to the premiums. I'll laugh like crazy if the Elites all fail like the first launch units.[/quote] the loudest part i noticed was the DVD drive, but the new quiet drive is already out. the 65nm chips will run cooler so less fan noise too; so theyll probably be even quieter. but i think the ones w/ the new DVD drive are pretty quiet already.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']the loudest part i noticed was the DVD drive, but the new quiet drive is already out. the 65nm chips will run cooler so less fan noise too; so theyll probably be even quieter. but i think the ones w/ the new DVD drive are pretty quiet already.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm going to assume that these Elite's will at least have the quieter BenQ drives as even the regular premiums should have those from now on (the stock of the old drives ought to be used up by now). The 65nm cooler/quieter would be most welcome of course, but I'm not counting on that.
 
What's sad is that I'll be able to pick up an Elite in store before I even see a Wii in stock at a retail location.
 
[quote name='Sku Rhim']What's sad is that I'll be able to pick up an Elite in store before I even see a Wii in stock at a retail location.[/QUOTE]

D'oh! Well, I hope that is the case as I already have a Wii and want this new 360 model ;). In fact, I'm going out to buy Chromehounds at Best Buy for $15 right now to add to my pile of 360 games.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']the loudest part i noticed was the DVD drive, but the new quiet drive is already out. the 65nm chips will run cooler so less fan noise too; so theyll probably be even quieter. but i think the ones w/ the new DVD drive are pretty quiet already.[/quote]

Do I have the old or new Dvd drive? I bought mine in Nov last year, MFR Date says 2006 - 07- 09. I hope these "Elites" aren't going to be like ps3s on ebay.
 
[quote name='zewone']How could that shitty ass photoshop even fool anyone?[/QUOTE]

It's like Santa. You want to believe! haha
 
[quote name='Spybreak8']Do I have the old or new Dvd drive? I bought mine in Nov last year, MFR Date says 2006 - 07- 09. I hope these "Elites" aren't going to be like ps3s on ebay.[/QUOTE]

Supposedly starting in November of last year at least some 360's used a different model DVD drive that's supposed to be much, much quieter than the blender used in earlier units.

Apparently up until that point there had been two drives in use, which may have had different noise characteristics, but both are supposed to be far louder than the new one. You'd have an older drive.

Unfortunately we don't know if this new model is actually improved beyond just including HDMI (which IMO isn't that big a deal). The system could really use a major overhaul, with things like a quieter drive, 65nm chips, an integrated power supply, etc. But we don't know if this has any of that, or if it's just a unit spray painted black with an HDMI port slapped on.

I'm hopping it's a major redesign. Heck, I really want a redesigned controller with a good d-pad, and the ability to authorize/deauthorize a 360 to play live content (so that you can play your purchased content on ANY 360 WITHOUT being connected to a broadband connection and Live service).

Really hoping for all those improvements, but kind of expecting the spray paint route...
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']
The system could really use a major overhaul, with things like a quieter drive, 65nm chips, an integrated power supply, etc.
[/QUOTE]

You do realize that an integrated power supply would practically negate having the 65nm chip?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']You do realize that an integrated power supply would practically negate having the 65nm chip?[/quote]..and be the dumbest idea ever
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']You do realize that an integrated power supply would practically negate having the 65nm chip?[/QUOTE]

Why? The PS3 has an integrated power supply. So do almost all PCs-and they all draw more power than the 360 (the CURRENT 360, let alone a redesigned model).
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Why? The PS3 has an integrated power supply. So do almost all PCs-and they all draw more power than the 360 (the CURRENT 360, let alone a redesigned model).[/QUOTE]

Mostly because of the case. It's not designed to accompany a power supply AND cool it enough.

The PC and PS3 are as big as they are for a reason.

I think Microsoft tried really hard on the aesthetics of the 360 (Just watch the included video on it's hard drive about it). They concluded that people were likely to appreciate a smaller sleeker case and hide their power supply. Especially all the bashing they took on the first Xbox's size.

Removing a power supply from a case design is by far the easiest way to reduce it's size. And has the added bonus of less heat cooking your sensitive components. (I'm curious about the long term reliability of the PS3)

Also, you have to remember that Microsoft is not historically a hardware company, they simply aren't as advanced as others at designing and thoroughly testing risky new cutting-edge powerful systems. Which is why they outsource most of it.
 
I will get the new Black 360 if I can transfer everything (including my 30+ Arcade titles) over to my new Xbox. I should have no trouble selling my original, modded 360 with those 360 titles still on the HD and be able to purchase a new 360 for a bit more.
 
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