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This is what supposedly got me suspended because they're too retarded to have reading comprehension
"Join in on the fun and read why Smash is not a fighting game.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=197895"
I never state to invade the boards or even hint at it. I say they can read the argument there, yet it gets taken as FORUM INVASION.
I also got modded because my opinion was supposedly trolling despite not being in the smash board.
"Join in on the fun and read why Smash is not a fighting game.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=197895"
I never state to invade the boards or even hint at it. I say they can read the argument there, yet it gets taken as FORUM INVASION.
I also got modded because my opinion was supposedly trolling despite not being in the smash board.
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I actually like Smash Bros haha, I think it's pretty fun and I'm not elitist enough to hate on it.
Lotsa nerds do like it a bit too much though, I'm not gonna lie.
PS BATMAN ARKHAM ASYLUM IS AWESOME
Lotsa nerds do like it a bit too much though, I'm not gonna lie.
PS BATMAN ARKHAM ASYLUM IS AWESOME
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[quote name='Jimbo Slice']I actually like Smash Bros haha, I think it's pretty fun and I'm not elitist enough to hate on it.
Lotsa nerds do like it a bit too much though, I'm not gonna lie.
PS BATMAN ARKHAM ASYLUM IS AWESOME[/QUOTE]
I can admit the game is fun with friends, but it is NOT a fighting game. The best shoryuken post was when a smash player played someone playing SF2 HDR and the smasher said "Which button does the specials?" THAT is why fighting game fans hate Smash fans. That and they can't do anything more complicated then forward + button.
Lotsa nerds do like it a bit too much though, I'm not gonna lie.
PS BATMAN ARKHAM ASYLUM IS AWESOME[/QUOTE]
I can admit the game is fun with friends, but it is NOT a fighting game. The best shoryuken post was when a smash player played someone playing SF2 HDR and the smasher said "Which button does the specials?" THAT is why fighting game fans hate Smash fans. That and they can't do anything more complicated then forward + button.
[quote name='MarkMan']Yea. Facebook.
www.facebook.com/markmansdt
And... Twitter.
www.twitter.com/MarkMan23
Get on it.[/QUOTE]I already have you on Facebook, son.
www.facebook.com/shiroikumasan
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www.facebook.com/markmansdt
And... Twitter.
www.twitter.com/MarkMan23
Get on it.[/QUOTE]I already have you on Facebook, son.
www.facebook.com/shiroikumasan
[quote name='Paco']
Paco
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[quote name='Mr. Beef']I already have you on Facebook, son.
www.facebook.com/shiroikumasan
[/QUOTE]
Excuse me, but my fireballs aren't coming out with this character. I'm pressing forward and special, but he just keeps punching! Why can't i do those uppercuts or fireballs?!
And that image is also used to show supremacy over the 360, people claiming blazblue is better then SF4/KOFXII and probably message boards if used right.
And Markman, the smash community for the most part sucks. There's good people in it, but the disproportionate amount of bad ones make it not worth anything. Or at least anything resembling true fun. I can respect Power Stone since they're not claiming to be super deep, but Smash bros players say it with a straight face even. I honestly believe that Smash Bros players are trying to take the Troll crowns from Tonobou Itagaki and Ed Boon.
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[/QUOTE]Excuse me, but my fireballs aren't coming out with this character. I'm pressing forward and special, but he just keeps punching! Why can't i do those uppercuts or fireballs?!
And that image is also used to show supremacy over the 360, people claiming blazblue is better then SF4/KOFXII and probably message boards if used right.
And Markman, the smash community for the most part sucks. There's good people in it, but the disproportionate amount of bad ones make it not worth anything. Or at least anything resembling true fun. I can respect Power Stone since they're not claiming to be super deep, but Smash bros players say it with a straight face even. I honestly believe that Smash Bros players are trying to take the Troll crowns from Tonobou Itagaki and Ed Boon.
I think Smash IS deep though, i mean when it gets to that level, it can get just as crazy as any other fighting game. Especially with the reflex/skill/zoning you need to compete against someone that is THAT much better than you.
Real talk tho, I just hate those dumb
kids.
Real talk tho, I just hate those dumb
kids.
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[quote name='MarkMan']I think Smash IS deep though, i mean when it gets to that level, it can get just as crazy as any other fighting game. Especially with the reflex/skill/zoning you need to compete against someone that is THAT much better than you.
Real talk tho, I just hate those dumb kids.[/QUOTE]
If you allow anything then yes there is a good amount of strategy. BUT if you go by Tourney rules the game is a neutered. YOU CAN'T ZONE! YOU MUST ENGAGE! What was once strategy, is now cheap.
Real talk tho, I just hate those dumb
kids.[/QUOTE]If you allow anything then yes there is a good amount of strategy. BUT if you go by Tourney rules the game is a neutered. YOU CAN'T ZONE! YOU MUST ENGAGE! What was once strategy, is now cheap.
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[quote name='Mr. Beef']I find that if you ignore the Brawl Kids, then Brawl becomes fun.[/QUOTE]
I find that if you ignore the Smash Kids, then Melee becomes fun.
Brawl.
That thread on SRK for Smash I find hilarious, only because I think the Smash people make better arguments than the SRK people. It only proves to me how dumb both Smash and FGD people are, mainly because the Smash people are trying to impress them for whatever reason.
I can argue for the legitimacy of Brawl, but I hate the game and its people.
I find that if you ignore the Smash Kids, then Melee becomes fun.
Brawl.That thread on SRK for Smash I find hilarious, only because I think the Smash people make better arguments than the SRK people. It only proves to me how dumb both Smash and FGD people are, mainly because the Smash people are trying to impress them for whatever reason.
I can argue for the legitimacy of Brawl, but I hate the game and its people.
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I can argue for the legitimacy of Brawl, but I hate the game and its people.[/QUOTE]
my feelings exactly.
I can argue for the legitimacy of Brawl, but I hate the game and its people.[/QUOTE]
my feelings exactly.
Paco
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[quote name='kainzero']I find that if you ignore the Smash Kids, then Melee becomes fun.
Brawl.
That thread on SRK for Smash I find hilarious, only because I think the Smash people make better arguments than the SRK people. It only proves to me how dumb both Smash and FGD people are, mainly because the Smash people are trying to impress them for whatever reason.
I can argue for the legitimacy of Brawl, but I hate the game and its people.[/QUOTE]
Everytime I get in one of those arguments with my friends. The only thing I want to tell them is this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykjWURdQyG8
YOU ASS WHORE
Brawl.That thread on SRK for Smash I find hilarious, only because I think the Smash people make better arguments than the SRK people. It only proves to me how dumb both Smash and FGD people are, mainly because the Smash people are trying to impress them for whatever reason.
I can argue for the legitimacy of Brawl, but I hate the game and its people.[/QUOTE]
Everytime I get in one of those arguments with my friends. The only thing I want to tell them is this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykjWURdQyG8
YOU ASS WHORE
BlueSwim
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[quote name='kainzero']I can argue for the legitimacy of Brawl, but I hate the game and its people.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']my feelings exactly.[/QUOTE]
Buh, I wike Bwawl... Does tha meen yu hate me?*Sniff**Sniff*
DON'T ANSWER THAT!!!:lol:
[quote name='JEKKI']oh shyt~!!
hard core![/QUOTE]
HOLY SHIT!!! Tommy's gonna kill someer!!!
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']my feelings exactly.[/QUOTE]
Buh, I wike Bwawl... Does tha meen yu hate me?*Sniff**Sniff*
DON'T ANSWER THAT!!!:lol:
[quote name='JEKKI']oh shyt~!!
hard core![/QUOTE]
HOLY SHIT!!! Tommy's gonna kill some
er!!!
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[quote name='Paco']Everytime I get in one of those arguments with my friends. The only thing I want to tell them is this.[/QUOTE]
Here's the problem.
Smash people LOOOOOOVE talking about how to defend their rules. Don't fall into their trap.
IMO, I'd say "STFU, it's how I play, it's how a lot of people want to play, and if you don't like it, you can play something else and we'll be cool."
Instead, you get "Well, see, the reason why we took out items and have stage select rules is to balance the inherent competitiveness of the game and by eliminating random options you actually gain other sorts of attack options to complement zoning and blah blah blah blah"
For AX I was talking to some guy over how to improve the Smash tourney since he was a tourney regular and some guy starts talking about how the viability of the Smash ball. They start arguing so I just walked away.
People think it's the game that they play that segregates them.
Nah. It's the community.
Here's the problem.
Smash people LOOOOOOVE talking about how to defend their rules. Don't fall into their trap.
IMO, I'd say "STFU, it's how I play, it's how a lot of people want to play, and if you don't like it, you can play something else and we'll be cool."
Instead, you get "Well, see, the reason why we took out items and have stage select rules is to balance the inherent competitiveness of the game and by eliminating random options you actually gain other sorts of attack options to complement zoning and blah blah blah blah"
For AX I was talking to some guy over how to improve the Smash tourney since he was a tourney regular and some guy starts talking about how the viability of the Smash ball. They start arguing so I just walked away.
People think it's the game that they play that segregates them.
Nah. It's the community.
Paco
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[quote name='kainzero']Here's the problem.
Smash people LOOOOOOVE talking about how to defend their rules. Don't fall into their trap.
IMO, I'd say "STFU, it's how I play, it's how a lot of people want to play, and if you don't like it, you can play something else and we'll be cool."
Instead, you get "Well, see, the reason why we took out items and have stage select rules is to balance the inherent competitiveness of the game and by eliminating random options you actually gain other sorts of attack options to complement zoning and blah blah blah blah"
For AX I was talking to some guy over how to improve the Smash tourney since he was a tourney regular and some guy starts talking about how the viability of the Smash ball. They start arguing so I just walked away.
People think it's the game that they play that segregates them.
Nah. It's the community.[/QUOTE]
I get more joy out of telling them their game isn't a fighting game and that it's equal to horse shit. It also is funny because they can't play Virtua Fighter, King of Fighters, or any fighting game that requires precision. Well they can play Street Fighter IV but the only things they do is prove that it really is Ken Fighter IV.
It's just easier to tell them their game isn't a game.
Smash people LOOOOOOVE talking about how to defend their rules. Don't fall into their trap.
IMO, I'd say "STFU, it's how I play, it's how a lot of people want to play, and if you don't like it, you can play something else and we'll be cool."
Instead, you get "Well, see, the reason why we took out items and have stage select rules is to balance the inherent competitiveness of the game and by eliminating random options you actually gain other sorts of attack options to complement zoning and blah blah blah blah"
For AX I was talking to some guy over how to improve the Smash tourney since he was a tourney regular and some guy starts talking about how the viability of the Smash ball. They start arguing so I just walked away.
People think it's the game that they play that segregates them.
Nah. It's the community.[/QUOTE]
I get more joy out of telling them their game isn't a fighting game and that it's equal to horse shit. It also is funny because they can't play Virtua Fighter, King of Fighters, or any fighting game that requires precision. Well they can play Street Fighter IV but the only things they do is prove that it really is Ken Fighter IV.
It's just easier to tell them their game isn't a game.
Smash Brothers requires too many modifications to the default rules to be run in a tournament setting. It also does not have arcade roots like (I think), every other widely played, competitive fighting game. Those two elements knock it out of contention as a serious fighting game.
It's a fun, silly game to smash up your friends in when you just need to kill some time. It is not worthy to stand toe to toe as a fighting game with the likes of Street Fighter, KOF, Virtua Fighter, etc.
It's a fun, silly game to smash up your friends in when you just need to kill some time. It is not worthy to stand toe to toe as a fighting game with the likes of Street Fighter, KOF, Virtua Fighter, etc.
kainzero
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I'm bored, let me play devil's advocate.
[quote name='Paco']I get more joy out of telling them their game isn't a fighting game and that it's equal to horse shit. It also is funny because they can't play Virtua Fighter, King of Fighters, or any fighting game that requires precision. Well they can play Street Fighter IV but the only things they do is prove that it really is Ken Fighter IV.[/QUOTE]
Seriously who gives a damn if it's a fighting game or not.
People play it 1v1 with money on the line, I don't care if it's called a sports game or a casual game or John Wilkes Booth game or a Tecumseh game or Kirkland Signature Daily Multivitamins & Minerals game, bottom line is that its competitive.
I don't care if they can't play other fighting games. That's like calling baseball a fake sport because they can't play hockey or track and field at a serious level.
[quote name='Halo05']Smash Brothers requires too many modifications to the default rules to be run in a tournament setting. It also does not have arcade roots like (I think), every other widely played, competitive fighting game. Those two elements knock it out of contention as a serious fighting game.[/quote]
The mods are natural. No items, no stages which are random. I discovered those rules playing just with my brother and lo and behold, the tournament scene adopted them.
Arcades are only important in Japan and Korea, they're dead here and it's kinda cool to know that Smash is really a grassroots USA thing and not modeled after Japan scenes. The fact that it bloomed strictly on console is amazing.
It's a serious game if there's enough skill that can be tested. And after you play for 3 months, you still won't be able to scratch a top player and you'd be lucky to take a stock off, so that it makes it pretty serious.
[quote name='Paco']I get more joy out of telling them their game isn't a fighting game and that it's equal to horse shit. It also is funny because they can't play Virtua Fighter, King of Fighters, or any fighting game that requires precision. Well they can play Street Fighter IV but the only things they do is prove that it really is Ken Fighter IV.[/QUOTE]
Seriously who gives a damn if it's a fighting game or not.
People play it 1v1 with money on the line, I don't care if it's called a sports game or a casual game or John Wilkes Booth game or a Tecumseh game or Kirkland Signature Daily Multivitamins & Minerals game, bottom line is that its competitive.
I don't care if they can't play other fighting games. That's like calling baseball a fake sport because they can't play hockey or track and field at a serious level.
[quote name='Halo05']Smash Brothers requires too many modifications to the default rules to be run in a tournament setting. It also does not have arcade roots like (I think), every other widely played, competitive fighting game. Those two elements knock it out of contention as a serious fighting game.[/quote]
The mods are natural. No items, no stages which are random. I discovered those rules playing just with my brother and lo and behold, the tournament scene adopted them.
Arcades are only important in Japan and Korea, they're dead here and it's kinda cool to know that Smash is really a grassroots USA thing and not modeled after Japan scenes. The fact that it bloomed strictly on console is amazing.
It's a serious game if there's enough skill that can be tested. And after you play for 3 months, you still won't be able to scratch a top player and you'd be lucky to take a stock off, so that it makes it pretty serious.
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[quote name='suko_32']GG's AxC. Nice to play you again.[/QUOTE]
GG's to you too Suko.
Sorry I was stinking it up.
GG's to you too Suko.
Sorry I was stinking it up.
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[quote name='kainzero']I'm bored, let me play devil's advocate.
Seriously who gives a damn if it's a fighting game or not.
People play it 1v1 with money on the line, I don't care if it's called a sports game or a casual game or John Wilkes Booth game or a Tecumseh game or Kirkland Signature Daily Multivitamins & Minerals game, bottom line is that its competitive.
I don't care if they can't play other fighting games. That's like calling baseball a fake sport because they can't play hockey or track and field at a serious level.
The mods are natural. No items, no stages which are random. I discovered those rules playing just with my brother and lo and behold, the tournament scene adopted them.
Arcades are only important in Japan and Korea, they're dead here and it's kinda cool to know that Smash is really a grassroots USA thing and not modeled after Japan scenes. The fact that it bloomed strictly on console is amazing.
It's a serious game if there's enough skill that can be tested. And after you play for 3 months, you still won't be able to scratch a top player and you'd be lucky to take a stock off, so that it makes it pretty serious.[/QUOTE]
Simply said as devil's advocate or not, I totally agree with you.
To the haters: Why let it get your panties in an uproar? Ignore Smashboards & don't bother with the troll topics on SRK. I just don't get why people let it bother them whether it's considered a fighting game or not.
Fact: Smash Bros requires skill to play (just like every other fighter.)
Fact: There are Smash players in the world that could also kick your ass in SF4.
Fact: The fighting game community has a lot of cornballs and morons too, just like the Smash community.
I haven't taken Smash seriously since like 2002, but I really do enjoy the game. I haven't played Brawl in like a year either, but I am interested in that modded version that has Roy in it, as well as balance patches.
Seriously who gives a damn if it's a fighting game or not.
People play it 1v1 with money on the line, I don't care if it's called a sports game or a casual game or John Wilkes Booth game or a Tecumseh game or Kirkland Signature Daily Multivitamins & Minerals game, bottom line is that its competitive.
I don't care if they can't play other fighting games. That's like calling baseball a fake sport because they can't play hockey or track and field at a serious level.
The mods are natural. No items, no stages which are random. I discovered those rules playing just with my brother and lo and behold, the tournament scene adopted them.
Arcades are only important in Japan and Korea, they're dead here and it's kinda cool to know that Smash is really a grassroots USA thing and not modeled after Japan scenes. The fact that it bloomed strictly on console is amazing.
It's a serious game if there's enough skill that can be tested. And after you play for 3 months, you still won't be able to scratch a top player and you'd be lucky to take a stock off, so that it makes it pretty serious.[/QUOTE]
Simply said as devil's advocate or not, I totally agree with you.
To the haters: Why let it get your panties in an uproar? Ignore Smashboards & don't bother with the troll topics on SRK. I just don't get why people let it bother them whether it's considered a fighting game or not.
Fact: Smash Bros requires skill to play (just like every other fighter.)
Fact: There are Smash players in the world that could also kick your ass in SF4.
Fact: The fighting game community has a lot of cornballs and morons too, just like the Smash community.
I haven't taken Smash seriously since like 2002, but I really do enjoy the game. I haven't played Brawl in like a year either, but I am interested in that modded version that has Roy in it, as well as balance patches.
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Also: Anyone wanna sell me a Marvel PSN gameshare? or wanna play the 360 version with me?
I've only played HeavyD and Arikado, I need some more people to take for a ride~!
I've only played HeavyD and Arikado, I need some more people to take for a ride~!
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[quote name='Jimbo Slice']To the haters: Why let it get your panties in an uproar? Ignore Smashboards & don't bother with the troll topics on SRK. I just don't get why people let it bother them whether it's considered a fighting game or not.[/QUOTE]
Well I know both me and Mark have experience running tourneys or even just having casuals.
It is a huuuuuuuuuuge bitch running them. You will receive complaints like no other. Set rules one way, complaints. Set them another way, complaints. And they will demand EVERYTHING from you, they will suck your soul dry.
Also, the fact that it uses specialized equipment makes it really annoying. No other fighting game requires CRTs (because there's no 720p output, there's gonna be lag on an HDTV). No other fighting game plays on the Wii, and TvC doesn't count for now because the scene is small and because it's imported. You need to stock GC controllers which are no longer manufactured, not Wiimotes, not Nunchucks, not Joysticks.
Then you need to manually adjust and check the rules all the time. All the other games were fire and forget, I only had one issue when someone changed characters in SF4, but it was too late to do anything because he didn't bring it up when it happened. You have to account for double blind selection, stage counterpicking, keep track of who selects characters first. And sure it doesn't sound like a lot but when you have 1 or 2 people trying to run 4 setups and not all of them are aware of the rules (both Staff and entrants), it's quite difficult. It's made that much worse with the complaining, and it's really obvious when I hosted the tournaments.
Well I know both me and Mark have experience running tourneys or even just having casuals.
It is a huuuuuuuuuuge bitch running them. You will receive complaints like no other. Set rules one way, complaints. Set them another way, complaints. And they will demand EVERYTHING from you, they will suck your soul dry.
Seriously, the complaints against Smash are against the noisy and whiny community more than the actual game.
Also, the fact that it uses specialized equipment makes it really annoying. No other fighting game requires CRTs (because there's no 720p output, there's gonna be lag on an HDTV). No other fighting game plays on the Wii, and TvC doesn't count for now because the scene is small and because it's imported. You need to stock GC controllers which are no longer manufactured, not Wiimotes, not Nunchucks, not Joysticks.
Then you need to manually adjust and check the rules all the time. All the other games were fire and forget, I only had one issue when someone changed characters in SF4, but it was too late to do anything because he didn't bring it up when it happened. You have to account for double blind selection, stage counterpicking, keep track of who selects characters first. And sure it doesn't sound like a lot but when you have 1 or 2 people trying to run 4 setups and not all of them are aware of the rules (both Staff and entrants), it's quite difficult. It's made that much worse with the complaining, and it's really obvious when I hosted the tournaments.
I'm really lax. I've been running shit since the beginning of time.
Like I said, I don't mind the game/rules or whatever.
The people.
Yes. Again, the people.
Word.
I'm a professional though, I just deal with it.
And then I go home and talk shit online.
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Like I said, I don't mind the game/rules or whatever.
The people.
Yes. Again, the people.
Word.
I'm a professional though, I just deal with it.
And then I go home and talk shit online.
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I'd only want the Dragunov/Bryan face scar one, but it'll never happen
this weekend it'd be nice to get some MvC2 and SFIV games down... I've kinda had a small 2D fighter bug but school has kept me busy.
this weekend it'd be nice to get some MvC2 and SFIV games down... I've kinda had a small 2D fighter bug but school has kept me busy.
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61 days until Tekken 6. GET HYPE!! T5DR is still my favorite PSN game, probably my favorite PS3 game too, even with shitty online. T6 better have good online. . .
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