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[quote name='KingBroly']The only good character was Sazh before they made him a joke. The story was just...people talk about how bad Other M's story was. At least I can comprehend what's going on in it. Someone had to tell me that FFXIII was about the gods trolling humans and I'm still confused.[/QUOTE]

Sazh was the only character I liked too. He was silly but I symptythed with him more trying to save his son. And I will admit his weapon was pretty cool. And not to sound like a complete hater but I did also like the battle theme. Even though I hated the battle system I would still get pumped with each fight.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']But the depth of the equipment system is garbage. Don't even get me started on how spoils work :bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb:

The only good character was Sazh before they made him a joke. The story was just...people talk about how bad Other M's story was. At least I can comprehend what's going on in it. Someone had to tell me that FFXIII was about the gods trolling humans and I'm still confused.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, there weren't really any great characters in the game, which is one of the reasons a lot of people don't care for it. Personally, I liked Sazh and Fang somewhat. Vanille was interesting in her own way. Lightning was dull, and I couldn't stand Snow or Hope, since they were just huge cliches with the same old tired dialogue repeated a million times. I was able to follow the story though (except for a few bits at the ending), I just thought it was really poorly written, had poor development, and it failed to capture my interest.

I did like upgrading the equipment, but I think the system was a bit convoluted. I really liked the Paradigm/Crystarium system though, and the battles were a lot of fun in the second half (well, except for the ones that went on for far too long). And I didn't really have a probably with the lack of a generic "evil" villain. I thought the villain was uninspired, but not necessarily terrible either.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']I think the Combat was excellent. It's really what kept me going to get Platinum.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the combat is what kept me going to finish the game. (I would never get the platinum though.) I'm fine with people who don't like the combat system for valid reasons, but all the people who said it was too simple and easy must have been playing a different game than me because there were definitely some battles I struggled on. Either that or they didn't make it past the first few hours (and I can't blame them for that). Auto-battle didn't mean the battles were done for you. The battles just took a lot of strategy and planning involving Paradigms.
 
Eh, I think Square has come along way with some of their character archetypes. Locke was essentially retarded, Zell wasn't that much better. But in comparison Snow was actually handled pretty well IMO. Understandably, a lot of people are going to hate his type of character since he is a moron in the first segment of the game, but he goes through his ordeal like everyone else does. The game doesn't really care to develop each character as deeply as say, FFX, because XIII's narrative revolves around a unifying theme that comes together at the end -- after each character has gone through a straightforward, dramatic development. It's FF, not a Black Isle game.

Not to say the game isn't character focused, because it is, heavily. But they give equal time to all 6 of them, and I thought each was executed pretty well. Snow and Hope we're good but their peak moment was way too corny for my tastes. Light, Sazh and Fang were awesome though. Vanille wasn't bad, but I think she pissed a lot people off with her moaning.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Eh, I think Square has come along way with some of their character archetypes. Locke was essentially retarded, Zell wasn't that much better. But in comparison Snow was actually handled pretty well IMO. Understandably, a lot of people are going to hate his type of character since he is a moron in the first segment of the game, but he goes through his ordeal like everyone else does. The game doesn't really care to develop each character as deeply as say, FFX, because XIII's narrative revolves around a unifying theme that comes together at the end -- after each character has gone through a straightforward, dramatic development. It's FF, not a Black Isle game.

Not to say the game isn't character focused, because it is, heavily. But they give equal time to all 6 of them, and I though each was executed pretty well.[/QUOTE]

I'm fine with the fact that they tried to focus on each character equally, but my main issue is that they failed to make any one of them truly interesting to me. The closest they got to that was probably Vanille.
 
I think XIII's characters were meant to reach people more emotionally than to actually be thought provoking individuals. They are easy to relate to, and the development of them is straightforward but is done through very dramatic scenes (eidolons, for example). Part of the reason for that style may also be because the nature of the narrative and how there aren't towns to explore. There wasn't too many moments for the crew to hit up an inn and discuss their pasts. You're pretty much on the run from start to finish.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']I think XIII's characters were meant to reach people more emotionally than to actually be thought provoking individuals. They are easy to relate to, and the development of them is straightforward but is done through very dramatic scenes (eidolons, for example).[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. None of them really reached me emotionally. Vanille came the closest, followed by Sazh and Fang.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']I'm about to start Heavy Rain! Can't wait to actually see how it is.[/QUOTE]

Get ready for a really fun experience!


I picked up four games today >.< That's not even including Mass Effect 2 for PS3 which Im getting next week. Does anyone want to do co-op in LBP2?
 
[quote name='Rodimus']The people who hate it do so because it was a terrible game, regardless if you compare it with other games in the franchise. Bart as a villain in general wasn't the worst, but forgettable.[/QUOTE]

Newsflash. Some people hate your favorite game. That doesn't make it "a terrible game". When FF13 is on the level of some game that was universally panned and nobody wanted to play, then you can brand it a "terrible game". :) Don't take that wrong, but something about the way you phrased that made me feel like I had to comment.

[quote name='KingBroly']But the depth of the equipment system is garbage. Don't even get me started on how spoils work :bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb:

The only good character was Sazh before they made him a joke. The story was just...people talk about how bad Other M's story was. At least I can comprehend what's going on in it. Someone had to tell me that FFXIII was about the gods trolling humans and I'm still confused.[/QUOTE]

If they had only used better terms or explained better without the use of the journal entries, it would have been easier to understand. It's really not complex at all. Demi-gods breed humans as slaves, occasionally choose some for tasks, give them additional power to complete task. Crazy demi-god Barty wanted to destroy everything and everyone and rule over it all.

[quote name='whoknows']I never liked Sazh. He was always a joke from the beginning of the game to me.

The only characters I didn't hate were probably Lightning, Snow, and Fang.

I'm still confused about the story too....it sometimes almost made sense, but then didn't.[/QUOTE]

High-Five on characters. :)
[quote name='distgfx']Canceling a special into an Ultra? Not happening.

Canceling a special into a Super? Let's use Ken as an example like you just did. You do the SRK motion + FP then do a QCF + FP again. SRK will come out and if you do it fast enough, it'll cancel into the super. Basically you're mashing punch twice during the motion. For supers that cancel from specials that have a different motion, you just have to be fast.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Some of this Juri stuff, like cancelling the windmill kick into her super -- I can see that it hardly hits, but didn't know if i should be doing qcb.k > qcbx2.k or qcb.k>qcb.k

[quote name='KingBroly']I think the Combat was excellent. It's really what kept me going to get Platinum.[/QUOTE]

Amen.
 
[quote name='Cheska19']Get ready for a really fun experience!


I picked up four games today >.< That's not even including Mass Effect 2 for PS3 which Im getting next week. Does anyone want to do co-op in LBP2?[/QUOTE]

We can coop sometime if you like.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']I'm about to start Heavy Rain! Can't wait to actually see how it is.[/QUOTE]

I really liked Heavy Rain, even though the writing was pretty poor. The game is really emotionally draining if you can put yourself into the story.

Oh, and the game actually manages to make quick time events fun, which is some kind of miracle.
 
RE4's quicktime was fun =D

And yeah it's laughable how bad Heavy Rain's story is considering it's a playable movie. The individual scenes though are a blast.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']RE4's quicktime was fun =D

And yeah it's laughable how bad Heavy Rain's story is considering it's a playable movie. The individual scenes though are a blast.[/QUOTE]

I hated the QTEs in RE4 because I never saw them coming. It was like, "here watch a cutscene," so I would set the controller down, and then all of a sudden INSTANT DEATH. :bomb:

Heavy Rain's QTEs were great though because they not only fit what was happening on-screen, but you could still mess up and it would react accordingly without meaning instant failure.
 
[quote name='Cheska19']Get ready for a really fun experience!
[/QUOTE] I'm excited to play it, the only thing stopping me is this horrible patch update that's taking forevvvvver to download.

[quote name='ihadFG']I really liked Heavy Rain, even though the writing was pretty poor. The game is really emotionally draining if you can put yourself into the story.

Oh, and the game actually manages to make quick time events fun, which is some kind of miracle.[/QUOTE]
That makes me happy, I wasn't too fond of the demo but if they can get a real emotionally draining and fun quick-timing game in there then I'll enjoy it. About how long is it? A friend of mine beat it in about 6ish hours, is that about the standard time?


Hahahaha, took a peek at what my fiancee got me for my birthday! She got me the PvZ disc (beccause it had Peggle with it and I LOVE Peggle), Undead Nightmare (she was kickin' herself for buying it before today's lightning deal), and $25 gift card to Hastings so I can get me some comic books!
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']About how long is it? A friend of mine beat it in about 6ish hours, is that about the standard time?
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Yeah, I'd say that sounds about right. It seemed like the perfect length to me.
 
XIII's combat system went like this for me: I understood it well enough but I thought it'd overwhelm me at some point, but it never did.

Oh, and another game of Madden 11 down. Why did EA have to do something right. I've hated Madden for so long.
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']Thanks. Some of this Juri stuff, like cancelling the windmill kick into her super -- I can see that it hardly hits, but didn't know if i should be doing qcb.k > qcbx2.k or qcb.k>qcb.k[/QUOTE]

Yea, definitely QCB + K -> QCB + K, assuming QCBx2 + K is her Super since I don't remember.
 
[quote name='corrosivefrost']Newsflash. Some people hate your favorite game. That doesn't make it "a terrible game". When FF13 is on the level of some game that was universally panned and nobody wanted to play, then you can brand it a "terrible game". :) Don't take that wrong, but something about the way you phrased that made me feel like I had to comment.[/QUOTE]

People think Princess Tomato in the Salad Kingdom is terrible? I don't believe it. Anyways you're right to call me out, I phrased my comment poorly, I didn't want to give the impression it was universally deemed a "terrible game." I realize there's people who like the game, I don't understand why, but I can relate. I have questionable tastes in games too.

I've already went over countless reasons why I think this is a terrible game in the RPG forum, but that topic has been exhausted. So, much to panzerfaust's delight I'll just leave my ranting, hateful mouth shut.
 
I've had good discussions with people on disagreements before, and I'm sure if it was any other game, we'd be able to respectfully disagree with each other on things. It's not really about whether your liked it or not, it's just annoying that all my posts get responded with, "yeah but the game is terrible so that's why."

ihadFG didn't like a lot aspects of the game either but I understood his side very well and learned some things of my own in the process.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']I mean, if we're talking about a convoluted mess of a story, look at FFVII. Were we just younger back then and didn't realize how ridiculous that plot was?[/QUOTE]

FFVII is kind a mess plot wise (though it still has some good moments), but game stories weren't as strong back then and everybody was wowed by 3D (Including me). I think now though that some game story writers think they can write any presumptuous drivel and people will enjoy it, and I guess some people do. Kingdom Hearts is a good example of that, like the first game wasn't too bad but every game after keeps pretending like it has an even deeper story when it actually has almost no depth whatsoever. The gameplay in Kingdom Hearts is fine (except the one with card battles) but the story has just gotten more and more pretentious with each game.

[quote name='panzerfaust']Eh, I think Square has come along way with some of their character archetypes. Locke was essentially retarded.[/QUOTE]

Wait what? You're talking crazy talk, I love Locke and Celes.
 
[quote name='distgfx']When were they last relevant? Btw, it's SNKP.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Old SNK has been dead for a long time.

Garou was Old SNK, KOFXI was SNKP.
 
[quote name='dallow']SNK closing? (possibly)
Gaming is dead.[/QUOTE]

Hate to say this, but when was the last time they made a good game?


[quote name='icebeast']FFVII is kind a mess plot wise (though it still has some good moments), but game stories weren't as strong back then and everybody was wowed by 3D (Including me). I think now though that some game story writers think they can write any presumptuous drivel and people will enjoy it, and I guess some people do. Kingdom Hearts is a good example of that, like the first game wasn't too bad but every game after keeps pretending like it has an even deeper story when it actually has almost no depth whatsoever.
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Yeah, standards were much lower back in the day, stories were less pretentious, and games also left A LOT more to the imagination.
 
[quote name='icebeast']Wait what? You're talking crazy talk, I love Locke and Celes.[/QUOTE]

lol i love FFVI but locke just came off as some creepy dude that had an urge to "protect" every female he came in contact with.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']It's not really about whether your liked it or not, it's just annoying that all my posts get responded with, "yeah but the game is terrible so that's why."[/QUOTE]

I try to stay away from this and I know I did in the past, but I got a little lazy in my last few posts. Can we agree that the graphics were nice? :)
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']lol i love FFVI but locke just came off as some creepy dude that had an urge to "protect" every female he came in contact with.[/QUOTE]

He does it because he couldn't protect the one he loved before and he doesn't want that to ever happen again. If we are talking creepy dudes around women then Edgar is constantly trying to woe every female he meets.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']I try to stay away from this and I know I did in the past, but I got a little lazy in my last few posts. Can we agree that the graphics were nice? :)[/QUOTE]
I'm aware I push people for discussion on this game when it comes up. I apologize if that's annoying.

And yes the graphics were very nice.

Speaking of which, is anyone else a maestro with the camera when they play videogames? I always pan it a lot when I'm running around. Makes games like SOTC look beautiful, I always try to take stuff like that in -- especially when showing the game off to other people.

Because some people who play games just make them look terrible.


[quote name='icebeast']He does it because he couldn't protect the one he loved before and he doesn't want that to ever happen again. If we are talking creepy dudes around women then Edgar is constantly trying to woe every female he meets.[/QUOTE]

Edgar was a baller and he knew it, that was all. It just seemed that Locke didn't have anything else going on inside his head except, "protect, protect, protect." Maybe I've just been turned off by that reoccurring train of thought that's prevalent in every japanese game/anime.
 
[quote name='distgfx']She can store one of each all at once too.[/QUOTE]
That's fucking nuts. I wonder how practical/useful that is.

[quote name='icebeast']He does it because he couldn't protect the one he loved before and he doesn't want that to ever happen again. If we are talking creepy dudes around women then Edgar is constantly trying to woe every female he meets.[/QUOTE]

Who's idea was it to adopt Gau? Or Umaro? Cause those people aren't just creepy. They're fucking crazy. Have you ever seen a Yeti when 12 condoms full of cocaine burst in it's stomach? :lol:
 
[quote name='ihadFG']Hate to say this, but when was the last time they made a good game?[/QUOTE]

I used to be a big SNK fanboy, but I've been sorely disappointed in them for the past decade. To answer your question the last great games they made IMO were both the SNK vs Capcom fighting and card game for the NGPC. They had a few decent games since then but nothing great.

It's too bad, they had a great thing going with MOTW and seemly abandoned the series.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']

And yes the graphics were very nice.

Speaking of which, is anyone else a maestro with the camera when they play videogames? I always pan it a lot when I'm running around. Makes games like SOTC look beautiful, I always try to take stuff like that in -- especially when showing the game off to other people.
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Yeah, I do that too. Especially on games where the environments are really pretty and detailed. I remember doing that in games like PoP2008, FFXIII, Castlevania Lords of Shadow, Enslaved, and several others.

Oh, and Ico. I was really guilty of that during the outdoors parts of Ico.
 
frost storing the mk and hk versions are ok for anti airing, but her down fierce is pretty buff for that too.

storing lk is probably the most useful, since you can get cr mk release lk to sweep among other things.
 
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