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[quote name='Roufuss']Cena as a heel is awesome... those chair shots were VICIOUS.[/QUOTE]

Was he a heel there? I dunno, didn't matter to me, it was a better Cena.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Was he a heel there? I dunno, didn't matter to me, it was a better Cena.[/QUOTE]

I assumed as much... the chair shots, the no goofing off, no playing to the fans, no throwing the shirt out, that evil look in his eyes.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I assumed as much... the chair shots, the no goofing off, no playing to the fans, no throwing the shirt out, that evil look in his eyes.[/QUOTE]
You're right, he had a heel posture but the only reason I'm thinking he wasn't heel was because he was fighting a pretty established heel and they've also painted ECW as the heels and he's feuding with ECW.
 
I dunno, this whole WWE vs. ECW has provided a bit of wackiness with regard to heels/faces. I mean its not like ECW is going to be an entire promotion of heels but at this point, due to the storyline, they are heels. Well except for RVD really, I suppose.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It was also spoilt weeks ago, so it was kinda anticlimactic. I'd say I'm looking forward to seeing DX wrestle again, but I'm not paying to see them wrestle the Spirit Squad.

BTW, Jim Duggan's promo was, by far, the highlight of the night.

"Did Babe Ruth cower when he stood in the face of Godzilla??? Believe me, it happened."[/QUOTE]

Hacksaw is just flat out awesome, and I agree that his promo was the highlight of the night. He had me rolling.
 
[quote name='Scorch']First off, everyone who put RVD in their signature (namely Guyver) are douchebags. I got on to check deals this morning and i'm greeted with that as ONS was downloading. So thanks, Guyver. Quit marking out for everything. I swear to god, if someone farted, you'd call it the best fart ever and mark out.

Tazz vs. Lawler was total BS. I figured it'd be something like that.

I don't understand why Guyver liked the PPV so much.. but then again, it's guyver.[/quote]

ASS.... HOW MANY fuckING TIMES HAVE I BEEN SPOILED ON THIS fuckING BOARD...thats why I AVOID the boards if i actually do not want to be spoiled by something before I see it... stop being a dick


How could you not like the fucking ppv.. Unless your watching it in the perspective of a fucking critic
 
[quote name='guyver2077']How could you not like the fucking ppv.. Unless your watching it in the perspective of a fucking critic[/quote]

I never said I didn't like it.. I said it was okay, it was nothing special like last years. The Foley/Edge v. Dreamer/Funk was INSANE. The crowd's reaction to Cena was great. Sabu/Mysterio was great until the end. Everything else was meh.. I was expecting more out of Angle/Orton. I liked how Big Show stepped up his game. I hated Taz/Lawler.

I guess last year's seems better because I hadn't seen them in years.. Jericho/Storm was great, the triple threat match, the fire table, Beulah's appearance, Sandman's original theme, etcetcetc.. I'd watch it again, if not only for Foley/Edge v. Dreamer/Funk.

Sorry about going off like that on you, Guyver. I was just.. bah. Yeah, it's pretty unfair of me to bitch when you've been spoiled a ton. So yeah, sorry about that.

I just wished they went forward with Malenko/Benoit at the PPV.. I also wanted to see The Impact Players.

I can't wait for tonight, I hope it's good.. I really hope they don't use the SmackDown entrance.. I bet they'll just have it (the ECW entrance) off to the side or something lame like they did at the WWE vs. ECW thing last week.
 
I didn't watch RAW, why was Duggan there? It seems like a lot of the old favorites are coming back, which is nice (even if Tatanka will never go anywhere with that gimmick).

I'll be watching ECW tonight though. Is there any hope for Sandman having his old theme back? Tragic if not. C'mon Vince, pony up the dough and improve your product. Sandman's old entrance filled seats.
 
Did anyone else pay attention to how they tried to censor Justin Credible's EC F'N W Shirt by having him wear a sport coat over it so you couldn't see it all the way.

Also, the chair shots by Cena weren't that bad for the fact all he did was hit one person in the gut, another in the chest, and the final person in the back.

One more thing I was wondering: Since Tazz is doing commentary with Joey Styles in ECW, who is to replace him on Smackdown! or since they will be filmming both at the same time will they just keep him on both shows?
 
[quote name='Scorch']I bet they'll just have it (the ECW entrance) off to the side or something lame like they did at the WWE vs. ECW thing last week.[/QUOTE]

Depending on how they do the lighting, it's possible that you'll never even notice the SmackDown stage is there. Here's to hoping.

And I agree with those complaining about Sandman's theme. It's a critical part of him - *the* critical part of him, actually. He's really exposed without it.

Though his new t-shirt design is really neat, IMO:
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Here are the other ECW wrestler shirts:
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While some of their shirt designs were cool ("ECF'NW"), the majority of their old wrestler shirts were awful designs and colors, IMO. Not that WWE/WCW shirts weren't either (though I'd kill for a "Captain" Mike Rotunda shirt), but I think the designs above are lightyears ahead of the old ECW style. Blame Taz, since he did the layout on most of their merch.

On the action figure front, Demolition Ax and Smash are confirmed for Classic Superstars series 14!!!
 
Yea i think we lost hope of sandman coming out to metallica ever again... They debuted his new song at ons...

His entrance is just not the same anymore...

Wtf.. so ecw's beign taped along with smackdown.. i dont know if i like that. is it just for tonight or is that going to be the norm..
 
[quote name='guyver2077']Yea i think we lost hope of sandman coming out to metallica ever again... They debuted his new song at ons...

His entrance is just not the same anymore...

Wtf.. so ecw's beign taped along with smackdown.. i dont know if i like that. is it just for tonight or is that going to be the norm..[/QUOTE]

From what I've heard and read that is to be normal of them taping ECW before Smackdown!.
 
[quote name='cdeener']From what I've heard and read that is to be normal of them taping ECW before Smackdown!.[/quote]
That's crappy. The more I hear the more it seems like we're getting main-stream, toned-down, WWE'd up, New Coke style ECW.

I hope to be proven wrong tonight.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Oh shut the fuck up, Myke. I had it spoiled, I vented, I'm over it. Put me on your ignore list.[/QUOTE]

SAME OLD SHIT!!! SAME OLD SHIT!!! SAME OLD SHIT!!! SAME OLD SHIT!!!

Watched ONS last night. fucking awesome. The whole shirt throwing thing with Cena was the greatest thing ever. The chants were great, too.

I'm gonna have to do a QFT of someone on another forum concerning the new ECW:
[quote name='"Reverend Mediocre"']WWE Presents ECW will go down in flames.

1. It's taping with Smackdown, which means it'll be filmed in front of WWE audiences at huge arenas who are there to see a WWE show using WWE rings and WWE sets. Also, Smackdown is considered the more "family friendly" of the WWE brands, which means that ECW will have to be toned down to match "family" athmosphere.

2. They are trying to get ECW over by putting WWE wrestlers into it. It didn't worth with the WCW Invasion, and it won't work here.

3. It's on the Sci-Fi Network.

4. All the old ECW wrestlers save for a few are either working for TNA or broken down to the point where they are practically useless.

5. It's been rumored that Vince McMahon is viewing ECW as a sort of "Minor League", whereas ECW is AAA, and Raw/Smackdown are the majors. Which means no real talent will end up there and it'll just be old people throwing chairs at each other.

6. Almost all the ECW grown talent that is worth a damn now, WWE currently has no plans to move over to ECW.

7. Many of the WWE grown talent that isn't worth a damn, WWE currently has plans to move to ECW.[/quote]

Basically, it seems like it's just a way to get OVW a national TV spot.
 
Okay....

1. It's taping with Smackdown, which means it'll be filmed in front of WWE audiences at huge arenas who are there to see a WWE show using WWE rings and WWE sets. Also, Smackdown is considered the more "family friendly" of the WWE brands, which means that ECW will have to be toned down to match "family" athmosphere.
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This is absolutely correct and the most important point made here. The one caveat here is the ECW show will be live, while Smackdown will be taped. This may add to the live energy a bit, but it's still a terrible decision from a creative and aesthetic standpoint. Without the crowd on Sunday, the show wouldn't have been half as good as it was. ECW isn't going to work with WWE fans sitting on their hands for 80% of the show like they normally do.

2. They are trying to get ECW over by putting WWE wrestlers into it. It didn't worth with the WCW Invasion, and it won't work here.
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Not necessarily. Angle fits it nicely, and Edge would be perfect, although I don't know if they'd actually move him there. As long as they don't overdo it, there should be no problem. This isn't the Invasion because Heyman actually has some say in what's going on, and the brand has its own show and PPVs. I wish people would stop saying they're the same. There has been no proof of that other than the ECW name being involved in both.

3. It's on the Sci-Fi Network.
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Irrelevant. Raw was on the hick channel when they moved from USA and they did fine. True, ECW has a smaller installed fanbase, but at the same time those that ARE ECW fans are more devoted than your average WWE fan.

All the old ECW wrestlers save for a few are either working for TNA or broken down to the point where they are practically useless.
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Doesn't matter. You've gotta start somewhere, and if they launched with completely with new talent, it likely WOULD flop. As long as they're still not pushing Sabu two years from now and have "invested in the future," they'll be fine. One step at a time, here...

5. It's been rumored that Vince McMahon is viewing ECW as a sort of "Minor League", whereas ECW is AAA, and Raw/Smackdown are the majors. Which means no real talent will end up there and it'll just be old people throwing chairs at each other.
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Not going to waste time commenting on "rumors." If it's true, it'll fail because Vince will never let ECW grow to its potential. If it's false, then it's pointless to discuss.

6. Almost all the ECW grown talent that is worth a damn now, WWE currently has no plans to move over to ECW.
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Except Van Dam and Dreamer? Who else is there that was already under WWE contract? The extras like Stevie Richards and Guido are just a bonus. Rey Mysterio isn't an "ECW guy." He spent much longer and gained far more noteriety in WCW. I'd like to see Super Crazy and maybe Nova/Simon Dean in there, but other than that, I don't see many people worth bringing over anyway.


Many of the WWE grown talent that isn't worth a damn, WWE currently has plans to move to ECW.
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What is "currently has plans" shit? Who is SAYING that? Vague statements like that are barely worth commenting on...but regardless, if Heyman has enough power, he can make just about anyone watchable Heidenreich nonwithstanding. If he's able to take someone like Big Show and actually make him interesting, by all means DO IT. It's a waste to keep him on a show where he's just stagnant.
 
What everyone needs to understand is that WWE stars on ECW isn't the norm... they are trying to boost ratings and awareness the first couple of shows. MANY MANY WWE fans, sad to say, probably don't know about ECW or don't know alot about it. WWE wants those fans to watch, and how else are you going to get them to watch? You put John Cena and Edge on their first show. Edge has lots of fans, people still like John Cena, people who didn't get ONS and don't care about ECW will watch to see what happens.

This is also why there were 10000 ECW commercials last night. Right now, ECW is just using WWE to get over... once the show is established, I think WWE participation will drop alot.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']This is also why there were 10000 ECW commercials last night. Right now, ECW is just using WWE to get over... once the show is established, I think WWE participation will drop alot.[/QUOTE]

I'm hoping that they can resolve the title situation at Vengeance, leaving both shows with champions, and that the WWE/ECW mixture can end. They'll bump into each other occasionally, but I don't want anything on WWE but tv commercials for ECW, and vice versa. Since Vengeance is only two weeks after One Night Stand, I can be patient for that much longer.

My only fear is that the crowd will shit on ECW if they paid for a SmackDown show. Much like when they tried putting on WCW shows during Raw. As much as people want to credit Buff Bagwell for fucking up the entire Invasion angle with one lousy fucking WCW match, the fact that WWE crowds were conditioned to hate all things WCW made it doomed from the start.

Buff still fucked up royally, of course.
 
Why did buff fuck up so much in everyones eye.. i enjoyed the buff booker debut wcw match on raw..

anyways thats why i didnt like the idea of ecw being taped with smackdown... the crowd is what gives it an ecw feel
 
I don't remember the match move for move, but your first bit of offense in a main event match on Monday Night Raw shouldn't be a fucking RESTHOLD. That much I do remember.
 
Man, fuck this. Was considering going to Raw with a friend, but most likely not anymore. Turns out the Internet presale started TODAY (most start on Thursdays) and they also jacked their prices up. For floor seats that are actually close to the action (which are all sold out on the presale unless you want a single ticket) it'll set you back $60, which is $20 more than my ticket cost last time for 3rd row floor. Closest I was able to get for a pair was row T, way behind the announce table. For $100, no thanks. For anyone who may still be interested, the presale password for the Cleveland show in July is RAW

End of rant.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']Man, fuck this. Was considering going to Raw with a friend, but most likely not anymore. Turns out the Internet presale started TODAY (most start on Thursdays) and they also jacked their prices up. For floor seats that are actually close to the action (which are all sold out on the presale unless you want a single ticket) it'll set you back $60, which is $20 more than my ticket cost last time for 3rd row floor. Closest I was able to get for a pair was row T, way behind the announce table. For $100, no thanks. For anyone who may still be interested, the presale password for the Cleveland show in July is RAW

End of rant.[/QUOTE]


at least its a LIVE Show. HOuse shows are the same price. Smackdown came here two weeks back for a house show and ringside was 60 per tick
 
i doubt many WWE people will move to ECW. Hell WWE dont even have enough people around now to fill PPV cards

I think almost ever main event at a RAW PPV this year only had 3 people in it


CENA HHH and EDGE.


wow 3 people fighing for the world title over and over and over . Yea i want to buy a PPV for 50 bucks for the same Stupid matches i just watched the other month.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Irrelevant. Raw was on the hick channel when they moved from USA and they did fine. True, ECW has a smaller installed fanbase, but at the same time those that ARE ECW fans are more devoted than your average WWE fan.[/quote]

That's very relevant actually. Raw went to The Nashville Network AFTER the brand was changed to The National Network and RAW was the crown jewel of the new proramming in order to get people viewing the network. With ECW, wrestling fans will tune in but not the Sci-Fi fans. They are up in arms about wrestling being on the channel and it is understandable. It's like a baseball game being aired on C-Span.

It would have been better if someone like FX could hae aired it.
 
Except FX is a News Corp (Rupert Murdoch) company, while Sci-Fi is an NBC (General Electric) company. USA is an NBC company as well; they deal exclusively with NBC franchises right now, and that began with the return to USA after leaving Spike (a CBS franchise) - it's strange that SmackDown is continuing on to the CW network, since UPN was a CBS company too; that part's hard to figure out. At any rate, the new ECW show was going to end up on an NBC cable network. Sci-Fi was the most vulnerable, and could be the sign of a thematic change of the network entirely, as it's apparently doing poorly in the ratings. Sorry, sci-fi fans, but your channel ain't makin' money showing nothin' but space monkeys. We need some rasslin' vampires!
 
It appears that ECW will indeed be running on tape delay tonight, and judging by this news, most likely every night if the crowd isn't your standard WWE crowd.

[quote name='PWInsider.com']The reason why ECW is tape delayed tonight is because Sci Fi freaked out about the chants that they heard from the PPV in New York and wanted to make sure that they don't have those kinds of things happen tonight. Good luck with that. It makes me wonder if ECW will ever air live on Sci Fi and if that network knows what it's gotten itself into![/quote]
 
[quote name='Genocidal']It appears that ECW will indeed be running on tape delay tonight, and judging by this news, most likely every night if the crowd isn't your standard WWE crowd.[/quote]


great now a censored crowd as well..
 
Vince is viewing ECW as the AAA's and Raw/SmackDown is the major leagues? Technically, isn't that the way it's always been viewed? Was it ever viewed as a threat to WWE and WCW?

Sandman not having his theme is pretty crappy, but who knows. Those shirts are awesome. I'm actually wearing Raven's shirt from 1999 right now. It's one of my favorites.

Pictures of the shirt here and here.

I may have to pick up that Sandman and Dreamer shirt.. I can't wait to see the new ECW live!
 
[quote name='2Fast']Who's gonna be the second guy (or tag team) to jump from TNA to ECW? All of my money is on Raven.[/QUOTE]

Rhino.
 
I don't think it's going to be Rhino.

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[quote name='Roufuss']That sucks.

I'd like it to be Jerry Lynn and to come feud with RVD, but I doubt it.[/QUOTE]

Jerry Lynn has been with TNA way too long to leave. He has been there since TNA was still in Nashville so I don't think it would happen
 
[quote name='guyver2077']nooo it looks like smackdown! they need small arenas for these shows[/QUOTE]

Not quite the same but they should really consider doing it at a fixed arena like TNA. I'm new to ECW but that arena they did the PPVs from, did they always do their shows there? That arena has a cool feel to it.

Wow RVD is getting booed pretty badly.
 
Thoughts:
-They shell out for "Let the bodies hit the floor" but not Enter Sandman?

-ECW RAW needs to change cameramen

-Big crowds scare me
 
fuck!! i hate these fucing wwe fans booing.. their ruining the show


Bottom line.. they need to tape tours and break away from these wwe morons

and they cheer fucking edge... what next. their gonna cheer cena later tonight
 
[quote name='guyver2077']fuck!! i hate these fucing wwe fans booing.. their ruining the show


Bottom line.. they need to tape tours and break away from these wwe morons

and they cheer fucking edge... what next. their gonna cheer cena later tonight[/QUOTE]

of course they cheer Cena. It wouldn't be a WWE show without him getting some pops.
 
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