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Joke Answer: When Star Wars is released.

Serious answer: I would have said January, but now, I don't know, we shall see. Rumor (and complete rumor) that GE might be wanting Universal to go neutral since they are losing a ton of money on HD-DVD exclusive, but who knows. If Blu-ray can get Weinstien, that would be a huge get. But this is going to be a long format war.

I would just like to add that Paramount trying to deny that they were paid by someone is stupid, most consumers aren't that dumb.
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']You can buy a cheap dvd player for around $50 or less (sure they don't last long). If you want to buy a newly released dvd they cost you around $15 at Wal-Mart.[/quote]
HD DVD players are already toying at the $200 mark, and they'll be well under it by Black Friday/Christmas. Many new release movies (Except combos and Paramount D&Ds) are $20 at Wal-Mart. Still a premium, but not that much for what you get.

HDM is not targeted (right now, and in the immediate future) at people who would buy a $50 player. They're aiming for the people buying the $80-200 upscaling players, as well as the high-end market. Player prices are coming down to mass-market levels, now we just need to get studios to MSRP new releases at $25-30 like they do for SD DVDs, instead of the $30-40 that they are now.

[quote name='Dante Devil']How long do you think before a format winner is announced? 1 year, 2 years, 6 months?[/quote]
I don't know when it'll be officially announced (ie sony or toshiba start manufacturing the other format's players). But prior to this announcement, I thought we would be fairly sure of what the result would be by CES 2008. My opinion on the timeline hasn't changed, though now I put even money on 2-formats or HD DVD winning outright, whereas yesterday 2-formats was the most likely result in my eyes. If WB returns to exclusivity at CEDIA as is being whispered, then put me down for HD pulling this thing off.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']I would have said January, but now, I don't know, we shall see. Rumor (and complete rumor) that GE might be wanting Universal to go neutral since they are losing a ton of money on HD-DVD exclusive, but who knows. If Blu-ray can get Weinstien, that would be a huge get.[/QUOTE]

Source?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Now, if there was...Way to go HD DVD. Good for them. The BDA already paid Blockbuster and Target some money to be exclusive in some way, and the HD group did the same thing. If the BDA is going to be dirty so should the HD Group.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Evidently, for Gizmo, rumors he doesn't like are rumors, while rumors he does are fact.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: Evidently, for Gizmo, rumors he doesn't like are rumors, while rumors he does are fact.[/QUOTE]

He believes what he wants, and everything else goes in the round file.
 
What I can't stand about the competition line is it just hasnt worked in this area. Yes coke and pepsi co-exsist. Nintendo and Sony co-exsist. But when it comes to movies, VHS was dominate, DVD was dominate, and one would assume another format will become dominate.

Could 2 formats become standard? Sure, but I'm not going to risk sitting on a stack of dead blu-ray movies or HDdvds.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: Evidently, for Gizmo, rumors he doesn't like are rumors, while rumors he does are fact.[/quote]
Blockbuster payoffs are indeed rumors. Target payoffs are fact, confirmed by an official release by Target themselves.

I'm too lazy to go look it up, but it's in this thread somewhere. :)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: Evidently, for Gizmo, rumors he doesn't like are rumors, while rumors he does are fact.[/QUOTE]

Interesting.

Last I checked the endcap is something that needs to be paid for. I'm sure Target did not give them a prime endcap during the Holidays for free...Right? Please tell me you don't think that.

Blockbuster...well, thats an interesting one. I find it hard to believe they would go from barley supporting either format in 250 stores, to the next day deciding Blu-Ray was the winner and putting it in 1000 more stores and ordering 150-200 movies per. I'm sure the extra thousand copies the format sold over HD DVD was the tipping point, eh?

Now Blockbuster is in a pickle. They have some of the biggest movies coming out this year on HD DVD...will they stock them? Will HD DVD pick up and equal or dominate Blu-Ray? What will happen then? Will they stick to their guns with Blu-Ray or expand HD DVD?

What about Target? Seems kinda lame to have only a Blu-Ray endcap when one of the biggest exclusives this year is HD DVD only (Transformers) with Shrek 3, Bourne Ult. and many others coming out on the format. Both of these retailers are in for a surprise.
 
I don't need a recap of your baseless beliefs, any more than I need you claiming that the Paramount deal's $150m payoff is a "rumor," and suggest that Paramount went HD-exclusive without any financial incentive.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't need a recap of your baseless beliefs, any more than I need you claiming that the Paramount deal's $150m payoff is a "rumor," and suggest that Paramount went HD-exclusive without any financial incentive.[/QUOTE]

No, I'm sure they did, but as of right now its not confirmed. Please, LINK ME an article where it confirms the payout. Do it.

But hey, even if true, who cares. The BDA has been doing it for months, so the HD group should as well. Apparently will also get some prime spotlight on the 360 marketplace as well as other incentives. Not bad Paramount! I'm sure Sony could have countered with money...but their online service is reminiscent of my old Tandy computer with DOS.
 
People dont care about Shrek in HD. Transformers however...
My problem: Most hddvd discs cost more than blu-ray despite cheaper hardware. It doesn`t balance well.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']People dont care about Shrek in HD. Transformers however...
My problem: Most hddvd discs cost more than blu-ray despite cheaper hardware. It doesn`t balance well.[/QUOTE]

1. I guarantee you many people care about a CGI film in HD. Otherwise they wouldn't be going ape shit over Ratatouliilei on Blu-Ray.

2. Please, how does HD DVD cost more? Sure, if its a Combo it will be $5 more...but most titles are on par if not cheaper then Blu-Ray. Please see Fox titles if your looking for MSRP of $39.99 for a movie with little to no extras. I frequently buy both my HD DVD and Blu-ray titles at Fry's for $19.99.
 
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[quote name='KaneRobot']OH NO, ONE COMPANY POSSIBLY SPENT MONEY TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE!

fuck, what will they think of next?!

Seriously, "the consumers were saying Blu-Ray all the way?" Based on an (approximate) 2:1 ratio less than one year into the "war?" The only thing the consumers have said so far is "this is only for the hardcore nerds." Since Blu-Ray sold more players and had a shit attach rate, HD DVD should just give up? Remind me never to employ you in a high-ranking, decision-making position when KaneRobot Industries takes over the world.[/QUOTE]

*sigh*

Change your pants, take a deep breath, and sit down.

What my post said was that there is no gain to be had by going HD-exclusive (without the payoff from Toshiba). Settling for a product with smaller marketshare isn't going to get KaneRobot industries very far. Take a look at Bungie before and after Microsoft bought them.
 
I'm indifferent to the format war except for a few rumors I've heard:

1) Sony perhaps making Blu-Ray discs only work on a single player, rendering rentals and loaning movies/bringing movies to friends impossible.
2) Sony having a "patch" that renders your player useless, until repaired/patched, for using potentially illegal copies.

Do these claims have any merit? If so, I couldn't understand why anybody would support Blu-ray... except for massive PS3 fan boys/current owners.
 
[quote name='Apathetic-Irony']I'm indifferent to the format war except for a few rumors I've heard:

1) Sony perhaps making Blu-Ray discs only work on a single player, rendering rentals and loaning movies/bringing movies to friends impossible.

2) Sony having a "patch" that renders your player useless, until repaired/patched, for using potentially illegal copies.

Do these claims have any merit?[/QUOTE]

No...and No.

I remember the 1st one before PS3 launched...but that was in terms of games not movies.
 
$150M can hardly be considered a payoff. It costs more to make a film, and worldwide gross of a film can be 4-5x as much.

from wikipedia...
Paramount's Transformers
Budget - $147M
Worldwide Gross - $636M

Dreamworks' Shrek 3
Budget - $160M
Worldwide Gross - $736M

So even if the analysts's presumptions about the purported numbers were correct, it's not much compared to the movies themselves. That's why I don't believe that the HD DVD PG paid off Paramount and Dreamworks, at least why it wouldn't be their biggest reason for doing so.

Re: Apathetic-Irony -
The rumors stemmed from an analyst who was extolling the virtues of BD+. He said that if it were to be cracked on a disc, then it would only affect that disc and one player or something to that extent.

Analyst Claims BD+ is Impenetrable for 10 Years
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[quote name='mykevermin']*sigh*

Change your pants, take a deep breath, and sit down.

What my post said was that there is no gain to be had by going HD-exclusive (without the payoff from Toshiba). Settling for a product with smaller marketshare isn't going to get KaneRobot industries very far. Take a look at Bungie before and after Microsoft bought them.[/quote]

stop playing heel and join the good guys
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']No, I'm sure they did, but as of right now its not confirmed. Please, LINK ME an article where it confirms the payout. Do it.

But hey, even if true, who cares. The BDA has been doing it for months, so the HD group should as well. Apparently will also get some prime spotlight on the 360 marketplace as well as other incentives. Not bad Paramount! I'm sure Sony could have countered with money...but their online service is reminiscent of my old Tandy computer with DOS.[/quote]
Here's the difference, EVERY company pays for their stuff to be on an end-cap, it's a fact of business. Did Sony pay for a end-cap in electronics of Blu-ray as advertisement? Yes. Is this unprecedented and uncommon? No. Did the BDA pay Blockbuster to put stuff in their store? Who knows, maybe Blockbuster saw there was a demand for Blu-ray so they put it in.

Did Paramount get paid by someone? They HAD TO. Blades of Glory COMES OUT NEXT WEEK! Stores already have some in stock, they already have been pressed, it was advertised as the first movie with lossless audio, they didn't for some reason just go "Duh, HD-DVD is better!"

And yes, 150 million might not seem like a lot, but it's upfront money and I don't think companies are going to be making 150 million dollars on Hi-Def movie sales this year. So Maybe Paramount took the 150 million dollars, and thought that by next christmas the format war would be over, and if HD-DVD wins, then the choose the winning format. If Blu-ray wins, then they go back and release on Blu-ray.
 
Another article....WB, Best Buy and Amazon chime in.


AUG. 20 | In a surprise move sure to shake up the high-definition format battle, Paramount Home Entertainment said today that it will exclusively support HD DVD beginning with Aug. 28 release Blades of Glory.

Paramount said that all movies from Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks Pictures, Paramount Vantage, Nickelodeon Movies, MTV Films will be released in high-definition on HD DVD only worldwide. Films from DreamWorks Animation, which hasn’t yet released any films on high-def, also will debut on HD DVD only, except those from director Steven Spielberg, which have been aligned to one format exclusively.

The move is a coup for the HD DVD camp and comes despite Blu-ray’s two-to-one software sales lead over HD DVD during the first half of the year. That set off speculation as to why the studio would side with HD DVD.

Paramount execs didn’t immediately return calls for comment, and DreamWorks referred calls to Paramount. In the release announcing its decision, the studio cited HD DVD’s low manufacturing cost and “market-ready technology” as a reason for its support.

“Part of our vision is to aggressively extend our movies beyond the theater and deliver the quality and features that appeal to our audience,” Paramount Pictures chair and CEO Brad Grey said. “I believe HD DVD is not only the affordable high quality choice for consumers, but also the smart choice for Paramount.”

DreamWorks Animation CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg cited HD DVD’s commitment to put out low-cost players and a significant number of titles as a reason for the studio’s decision to side with the format.

“We decided to release Shrek the Third and other DreamWorks Animation titles exclusively on HD DVD because we believe it is the best format to bring high quality home entertainment to a key segment of our audience—families,” Katzenberg said.

But Blu-ray backers quickly went into spin mode, calling Paramount's motives into question and releasing a flood of announcements about upcoming Blu-ray releases.

Andy Parsons, head of the Blu-ray Disc Assn. of North America, said he didn’t understand why Paramount made the decision, saying “it’s odd to walk away from a format that’s clearly outselling the other.”

One Blu-ray source implied that the studio is still contractually obligated to release a certain number of movies on Blu-ray over the next two years, but Parsons said he wasn’t aware of that.

Others are speculating that Paramount and DreamWorks are being given blockbuster incentives by HD DVD backers. On her Deadline Hollywood blog, LA Weekly’s Nikki Finke quoted sources as saying Paramount would receive $50 million in promotional consideration for HD DVD exclusivity, while DreamWorks would get $100 million.

Speaking for the HD DVD Promotional Group, Universal executive VP of marketing and head of high-definition Ken Graffeo said the group isn’t giving them any money, but said he didn’t know if other HD DVD backers might be. He said the decisions of Paramount and DreamWorks were “a real testament to the format itself,” and added, “this is more about being able to market the format to the consumer, to show all the advancements HD DVD provides.”

Paul Erickson, director of DVD and high-def market research for NPD research firm DisplaySearch, said money likely paid a part in the decision, noting that backers of both formats have given studios monetary incentives to exclusively side with their format. But he speculated that profit margins also could have played a part if Paramount and DreamWorks thought HD DVD would provide a better pay off in the long run.

Originally a backer of HD DVD, Paramount switched to support both formats before their debut last year.

Today’s move, means that Warner Home Video is the only studio releasing films on both formats.

“We will continue to support both formats,” Warner senior VP worldwide for high-definition Steve Nickerson said. “This doesn’t change our approach to the market at all. We have a responsibility to put product out in high-definition, and there happens to be two formats.”

Paramount joins Universal Studios Home Entertainment as exclusively in the HD DVD camp.

The switch will put both formats on more equal footing in terms of content as they head into the fourth quarter. Blu-ray had a content lead with films expected from all studios except Universal. Now, it will lose Paramount’s stellar slate, which includes Transformers and Shrek the Third, both of which will debut on HD DVD.

The studio cited HD DVD’s low price as a reason for its support.

DisplaySearch’s Erickson said the move almost certainly prolongs the format war.

“Before, Blu-ray had the uncontested advantage on the content side,” he said. “Now it’s not quite so clear.”

Best Buy spokesman Brian Lucas said the announcement doesn’t change much, aside from making the format war even more confusing to consumers. The retailer doesn’t believe consumers will buy either format in large numbers until one format is the clear winner.

“Our position is we support both, our customers look for both when they come into our stores,” he said. “Until a resolution to the format war comes about, these things will only confuse customers more.”

Amazon.com spokeswoman Tammy Hovey said the move doesn’t change anything for them either.

"We're really agnostic in this particular situation,” she said. “ For us, it's not really about who wins out. Ultimately, we want our customers to be big winners. If it's Blu-ray, that's great; if it's HD, that's fine as well."
 
BDA's Response:
In response to Paramount's decision to exclusively support HD DVD, Andy Parsons, Chairman, Blu-ray Disc Association US Promotions Committee had this to say: "The decision seems oddly timed given Blu-ray's tremendous momentum both with consumers and with retail. Blu-ray title sales continue to outpace HD-DVD sales by nearly a 2 to 1 margin, and major retailers have expressed a strong preference for Blu-ray. Moreover, the price delta between HD DVD and Blu-ray players has been greatly reduced in the past few months, a trend that is on its way to eliminating any perceived cost advantage the HD DVD format has claimed to have. Under these circumstances, we can only imagine what could have enticed them to walk away from a format that is clearly selling significantly more software than the ailing HD-DVD format."
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Here's the difference, EVERY company pays for their stuff to be on an end-cap, it's a fact of business. Did Sony pay for a end-cap in electronics of Blu-ray as advertisement? Yes. Is this unprecedented and uncommon? No. Did the BDA pay Blockbuster to put stuff in their store? Who knows, maybe Blockbuster saw there was a demand for Blu-ray so they put it in.

Did Paramount get paid by someone? They HAD TO. Blades of Glory COMES OUT NEXT WEEK! Stores already have some in stock, they already have been pressed, it was advertised as the first movie with lossless audio, they didn't for some reason just go "Duh, HD-DVD is better!"[/QUOTE]

Awww, someone is just upset that Blades of Glory is HD DVD only :cry:

As of right now, its only a rumor. If true...who gives a shit. I'm sure Disney and Fox are not Blu-Ray supporters because the think the format will win, they have been paid. Hell, I bet Fox is Blu-Ray exclusive only because Sony backed off on buying MGM last year.
http://losangeles.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2006/05/29/daily17.html
Spin Away!
 
I don't think this will make much difference in the outcome. Listen, the last Shrek sucked. Most families enjoyed it, but it's something you get cheap, not expensive. Combo discs suck. I can just buy a regular DVD and upscale it for half the price.
Transformers is the 2nd movie I would want on HD-DVD (the first being Batman Begins). But, I still don't want one because I have a BR player already.

There are 2 major factors (combined) that will determine this format war:
#1 - Where does Wal-Mart go?
- I'm betting now they'll go for dual support, because it means more $$$ for them. They don't have much support either way right now anyway.

#2 - Where do Great Epic movies go?
- Star Wars, LOTR, Harry Potter, etc. These films going exclusively to one or the other will make the fanboys drool endlessly.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']I don't think this will make much difference in the outcome. Listen, the last Shrek sucked. Most families enjoyed it, but it's something you get cheap, not expensive. [/QUOTE]

I, along with many other people, including many Blu-Ray supports, say you are wrong. This is huge for HD DVD and both formats know it. Just look at TheDigitalBits. Bill is at the point of suicide over this.

Shrek will also sell well. With the lack of Disney on HD DVD, there is not a whole lot of Kid movies. Regardless of this 'quality' of the film, it will sell. Much like how well a chick movie like 'Premonition' sold so well on Blu-Ray.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Awww, someone is just upset that Blades of Glory is HD DVD only :cry:

As of right now, its only a rumor. If true...who gives a shit. I'm sure Disney and Fox are not Blu-Ray supporters because the think the format will win, they have been paid. Hell, I bet Fox is Blu-Ray exclusive only because Sony backed off on buying MGM last year.
http://losangeles.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2006/05/29/daily17.html
Spin Away![/quote]

Yeah, a movie I never saw. :whistle2:# If fox has been paid, why would they only release movies when BD+ was finalized? Because that's all they care about. Disney supports Blu-ray because they own a Pressing plant.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Yeah, a movie I never saw. :whistle2:# If fox has been paid, why would they only release movies when BD+ was finalized? Because that's all they care about. Disney supports Blu-ray because they own a Pressing plant.[/QUOTE]

Please. While BD being cracked was a reason, I'm sure it was just used as a scapegoat for the crappy sales that soon followed. They claimed Blu-Ray would be at a 4:1 advantage by the end of MARCH! :roll: At this point they should have been....what, a 10:1 advantage?
 
[quote name='zewone']http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa141.html#dp

:lol:

If this was Blu-Ray getting Paramount, I'm sure he would think it's the best news in the world, but since it's HD-DVD, MS are greedy, devils.[/quote]

Did you read why he thinks MS is the devil? Because he thinks format war's are bad for consumers and bad for the industry and he is right. The SACD example is perfect, and this war was just about to be over, and Paramount switching over prolongs it. And I agree with him completely, two formats is bad for consumers, and bad for the industry because the public will never adopt two formats.
 
Then why don't you stop supporting Blu-Ray?

The same reason as the writer of the article, because you favor Sony.

It has nothing to do with stopping the format war for the good of the consumers. It has to do with you wanting Sony to succeed.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Did you read why he thinks MS is the devil? Because he thinks format war's are bad for consumers and bad for the industry and he is right. The SACD example is perfect, and this war was just about to be over, and Paramount switching over prolongs it. And I agree with him completely, two formats is bad for consumers, and bad for the industry because the public will never adopt two formats.[/QUOTE]

Then let's have the blu-ray camp fold their tents and join us. Seriously, why is it that we have a moral obligation to give up but you don't? If the highest priority is a single format, there are two ways to do it, why not consider the reverse? After all, our format is complete and it works. What you have is more companies on your side. That can be fixed quickly with one decision as we just saw.
- Amir
 
[quote name='zewone']Then why don't you stop supporting Blu-Ray?

The same reason as the writer of the article, because you favor Sony.

It has nothing to do with stopping the format war for the good of the consumers. It has to do with you wanting Sony to succeed.[/QUOTE]

I think the format war is temporally good for consumers because of the precipitous drops in the prices of players we've seen. They aren't done yet, either, so for the moment, the war is still good.

I don't think we'll see drops in prices of movies at all, so there's really nothing to that.

So, once the players drop enough, competition becomes irrelevant (or a negative, since competition is also turning away would be consumers at the moment).

It's also bad for consumers, as many articles have cited market research showing that consumers aren't getting into this format war because (1) they don't want to end up with movies for a dead format, and/or (2) all this is very confusing to consumers.

The average joe doesn't give a flying fuck about how cheap it is to convert pressing plants, they don't care about MPEG4 vs AVC, they don't care about attach ratio, they don't care about storage space, they don't care about marketshare, and they don't care enough to follow the shifts in market support for each format. As a result, this is all very, very confusing, and thus you get slow adoption rates.

So, we're stuck with this competition. It isn't about one group "giving up"; the market wil do that, eventually, for the fans. It is, in this case, artificially prolonging competition that was heavily in BR's favor by buying out the competition, and circumventing the actual purchasing decisions of the consumer market.

Personally, I don't consider it any different than the EA/NFL deal that killed off the NFL 2K series. What say did the consumer have in that?

Oh, and to all you deniers: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/technology/21disney.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

But money talks: Paramount and DreamWorks Animation together will receive about $150 million in financial incentives for their commitment to HD DVD, according to two Viacom executives with knowledge of the deal but who asked not to be identified.

The incentives will come in a combination of cash and promotional guarantees. Toshiba, for instance, will use the release of “Shrek the Third” as part of an HD DVD marketing campaign.

Now, it's your turn to keep telling us it's still a rumor. :lol:
 
I still don't see why one group of supporters are 'good' and another group is 'bad'.

Once combo players are affordable, does it really matter if we still have both formats?
 
great.. so it looks like they are prepping up a nice marketing campaign...

i still believe matrix could of used even more exposure..

im also hoping transformers will shatter hi def records.. who holds the sales record for an individual title right now? pirates?
 
[quote name='rsigley']Maybe this news will force him into early retirement, then everyone wins[/QUOTE]

:lol: Truth be told, I've never seen a single one of his movies, but given the way people have *gushed* over Transformers, I don't think it's fair to say that everything he's done has been garbage.

Guyver, I think Casino Royale is still the highest. More than 1 out of every 3 HD DVD owners better buy Transformers if you expect it to beat CR.
 
How the hell is Paramount/Dreamworks going to find someone in Hollywood that uses slow motion and camera spins now? I mean, Transformers didn't make millions because of the license or the insane amount of advertising behind it. It was clearly Michael Bay's "trademark" moving camera shots.

The only praise Bay gets is because he's seen as the figure head in that school of directing.

This whole situation really spun out of control. I haven't really seen it brought up that Paramount was originally HD DVD exclusive (It may have been brought up here, there's just too much hee-hawing on both sides for me to comb through in a timely fashion). Then a couple of months before Blu-ray showed up on the market, the decision was made to go neutral.

This whole fiasco reeks of Paramount not getting what was originally promised by Sony. Then using promises of going exclusive to gain some bit of money. But their real intention is just to say "fuck you" to Sony.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i could of sworn pirates took the crown from casino.. and further more 300 had beaten pirates.. ah w.e[/QUOTE]

You're correct about 300.
 
yea i think what im talking about is first week sales...

im sure casino has sold more in general since it has been out a lot longer.

im wondering when paramount is planning on releasing transformers.. i would put it up agains pirates 3 (which will be another blockbuster that im looking forward to)

the hi def market is definitely exciting right now
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Guyver, I think Casino Royale is still the highest. More than 1 out of every 3 HD DVD owners better buy Transformers if you expect it to beat CR.[/quote] Going by individual SKU (from memory), the list looks something like:

300 BR
300 HD
Casino Royale
Batman Begins
Departed BR
Departed HD

Aggregate by title, it changes a bit:

300
Departed
Superman Returns
Casino Royale
Batman Begins
Planet Earth

Not 100% accurate, but pretty close.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

Oh, and to all you deniers: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/technology/21disney.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Now, it's your turn to keep telling us it's still a rumor. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Still don't see an amount. I see financial incentives.
As I said yesterday, I couldn't careless. The HD Group should get dirty just like te BDA does. I'm shocked they didn't announce yet another "We Won" article.

Interesting article...where is Lionsgate? I don't see them chiming in? Can't wait to buy their films on HD DVD! Ahh, the sour grapes that are the BDA.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Still don't see an amount. I see financial incentives.[/QUOTE]

But money talks: Paramount and DreamWorks Animation together will receive about $150 million in financial incentives for their commitment to HD DVD, according to two Viacom executives with knowledge of the deal but who asked not to be identified.

Again, "financial incentives" =/= "ice cream." They're incentives, and they're financial. You can do the rest of that complex equation on your own.
 
who freaking cares... who wouldnt turn down the money.

Lionsgate needs to go neutral and bring the saw series over to hd. I already own them on br though so its one of those "too late" for me.

Do we have release dates for shrek and transformers? I will be interesting to see (like others have pointed out) how big retailers (blockbuster,etc) handle this.

In the end .. this game hd camp a few blockbusters for this holiday season which it was lacking..
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Interesting article...where is Lionsgate? I don't see them chiming in? Can't wait to buy their films on HD DVD! Ahh, the sour grapes that are the BDA.[/QUOTE]

:lol: That's the first thing I thought when I read the press release. :lol:
 
Paramount Removes Remaining Blu-ray Titles From Fall Slate
August 21, 2007

Yesterday's Paramount declaration of HD DVD support, starting with 'Blades of Glory' on August 28, raised questions about the previously announced Blu-ray titles scheduled for release throughout the rest of the year. The way the press release was written seemed to indicate the exclusive titles to follow 'Blades of Glory' would be 'Shrek the Third' and 'Transformers.' Unfortunately for Blu-ray fans, that's not the case.

This morning, Paramount updated their press website with a purge of all remaining Blu-ray Disc titles. The following titles were included in the purge and should now be considered HD DVD exclusive.

Next
Top Gun (Special Collector's Edition)
The Jack Ryan Collection (Special Collector's Edition)
Face/Off (Special Collector's Edition)

The status of 'Star Trek: Season One' has not changed as it was only announced for HD DVD. Aside from Steven Spielberg-directed Dreamworks or Paramount catalog titles, expect all future high definition announcements at Paramount to be HD DVD exclusive.

Ahhh
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Again, "financial incentives" =/= "ice cream." They're incentives, and they're financial. You can do the rest of that complex equation on your own.[/QUOTE]

Financial Incentives, sweet. I don't see $150 Million in cash.

Yet AGAIN, I DON'T CARE! WAY TO GO HD DVD!
If Sony and the BDA can play dirty so can the HD Group.
You Blu-Boys have been going nuts in the past 24 hours on all forums. Bitter, Bitter people. Suck it up and enjoy Transformers on DVD :lol:
Smurf Suicide Watch is in full effect.
 
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