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[quote name='Richlough']Sony Defense Force ran by Nintendo fanboys , interesting .[/quote]

You didn't hear about that? There was a site called Sony Defense Force that was run by the same guys who run the site Nintendo Defense Force (or something like that), it was all over the internets.
 
You just don't get it linkin.

I'm saying the there's only been 2 giant B1G1 free sales that have come straight from the studios.

The rest were just something Frys did.
A relatively small chain in comparison.

I'm not offended by these sales, bring them on!
 
Bond 1-20 update for H.Cornerstone and anyone else who cares. Some good, mostly bad. First the good:

Lowry remaster for the SD DVD Ultimate Edition release was done in 4k, and reportedly looks fantastic (for SD, of course).
Audio is in 768kbps DTS, likewise sounds great. Seems likely a DTS-HD MA encode would have been done at the same time, but this has not been confirmed.

Now the bad:

The entire series (except for CR and Bond 22) is owned by MGM and distributed by Fox. IF they decide to release them (obviously a VERY big if), this likely means we'll pay $800 (MSRP) for the movies alone, with none of the (pretty great) special features on the current U.E.

Cry with me, won't you?
 
[quote name='geko29']Bond 1-20 update for H.Cornerstone and anyone else who cares. Some good, mostly bad. First the good:

Lowry remaster for the SD DVD Ultimate Edition release was done in 4k, and reportedly looks fantastic (for SD, of course).
Audio is in 768kbps DTS, likewise sounds great. Seems likely a DTS-HD MA encode would have been done at the same time, but this has not been confirmed.

Now the bad:

The entire series (except for CR and Bond 22) is owned by MGM and distributed by Fox. IF they decide to release them (obviously a VERY big if), this likely means we'll pay $800 (MSRP) for the movies alone, with none of the (pretty great) special features on the current U.E.

Cry with me, won't you?[/quote]

God I hate MGM....
 
[quote name='geko29']Bond 1-20 update for H.Cornerstone and anyone else who cares. Some good, mostly bad. First the good:

Lowry remaster for the SD DVD Ultimate Edition release was done in 4k, and reportedly looks fantastic (for SD, of course).
Audio is in 768kbps DTS, likewise sounds great. Seems likely a DTS-HD MA encode would have been done at the same time, but this has not been confirmed.

Now the bad:

The entire series (except for CR and Bond 22) is owned by MGM and distributed by Fox. IF they decide to release them (obviously a VERY big if), this likely means we'll pay $800 (MSRP) for the movies alone, with none of the (pretty great) special features on the current U.E.

Cry with me, won't you?[/QUOTE]

I'm perfectly happy with the second pressing of the box sets (prior to the more recent two disc editions)...and they're one of the few DVDs I own where I've looked through the extras (that and perhaps LOTR).

I would expect to see 4-5 film box sets retail for $100 (not MSRP, mind you, but the avg price on Amazon and whathaveyou), or 5-4 film sets for that price, making the overall series $400-500. Horrible? Yes, but easier to swallow in bite-size chunks.

Also, why would the extras be omitted?

Third, when you say "CR," you mean Daniel Craig or David Niven? Either way, I already own the BR of the more recent one, so if it's not included in any other box sets, that's fine by me.

I wish I could travel back in time and poison Sean Connery's tea before he had a chance to do "Never Say Never Again." Not enough to kill, but halt production to an extended length wherein the film would have been canned. But that's neither here nor there.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm perfectly happy with the second pressing of the box sets (prior to the more recent two disc editions)...and they're one of the few DVDs I own where I've looked through the extras (that and perhaps LOTR).

I would expect to see 4-5 film box sets retail for $100 (not MSRP, mind you, but the avg price on Amazon and whathaveyou), or 5-4 film sets for that price, making the overall series $400-500. Horrible? Yes, but easier to swallow in bite-size chunks.[/quote]
Yes, it is possible and in fact likely that they'll be released in batches, either of individual discs, or 4-7 disc box sets, over a period of time. But I don't expect the boxes to have much, if any, lower MSRP than the $40 typical for Fox/MGM. Amazon's typical 31% off would bring this down to $552, so I guess I could see the whole shebang costing $500 in total, though I still think $400 is optimistic.

[quote name='mykevermin'] Also, why would the extras be omitted?[/quote]
Because that's what MGM does. Look at Robocop. Brand new (August 21, 2007, which the BR was originally going to be D&D with before it was postponed), feature packed 2-disc SD DVD set. The Blu-Ray includes....the trailer? They couldn't even be bothered to carry over the damn audio commentary. Or how about The Usual Suspects? Again, loaded DVD, the Blu-Ray has not one but EIGHT HD theatrical trailers, with no extras for the actual movie.

[quote name='mykevermin'] Third, when you say "CR," you mean Daniel Craig or David Niven? Either way, I already own the BR of the more recent one, so if it's not included in any other box sets, that's fine by me.[/quote]
I meant the Daniel Craig. The Niven picture is more of a spoof that just happens to have a licensed storyline, but is not considered an official part of the Bond canon. The only reason it wasn't remade sooner is because the original exclusive license didn't expire until a few years ago.

What I meant by that was that Sony owns CR (Bond 21) and Bond 22, while MGM/Fox owns Bond 1-20 and 23-25. There was previously uncertainty (on my part as well as others) as to who would handle the distribution, since the MGM catalog is split between Sony/Fox/Warner (even though we knew Warner had no hand in the United Artists catalog).

[quote name='mykevermin'] I wish I could travel back in time and poison Sean Connery's tea before he had a chance to do "Never Say Never Again." Not enough to kill, but halt production to an extended length wherein the film would have been canned. But that's neither here nor there.[/quote]
I didn't hate it as much as you did, but like the original Casino Royale, it's not an official part of the canon, and wouldn't be included the any box set(s)--it's not in the current Ultimate Edition DVD set(s). Not even in the ultra-fancy Collector's Set that also includes Casino Royale.
 
Looks like Sony's first 1.1 disc.

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And hey Geko, it has a 24bit PCM track, maybe they're all learning.

Most interesting though, and it's probably a mistake, is they mention it will have game demos for DMC4 and RE5.
They must mean trailers right?

Additional supplements shared with the standard-def DVD version of the film (which is debuting day-and-date with the Blu-ray) include an audio commentary with director Paul W.S. Anderson and producer Jeremy Bolt, four making-of featurettes, eleven deleted scenes, and two video game demos (for "Devil May Cry 4" and "Resident Evil 5").
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Hmm, after reading that. It's obvious they mean game trailers.
 
[quote name='geko29']

What I meant by that was that Sony owns CR (Bond 21) and Bond 22, while MGM/Fox owns Bond 1-20 and 23-25. There was previously uncertainty (on my part as well as others) as to who would handle the distribution, since the MGM catalog is split between Sony/Fox/Warner (even though we knew Warner had no hand in the United Artists catalog).
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So does that mean in Bond 23 I won't see any Sony Ericsson phones or Blu-ray discs? ;)
 
[quote name='dallow']And hey Geko, it has a 24bit PCM track, maybe they're all learning.[/quote] More high quality 24-bit tracks are absolutely welcome. Don't know if I'll be picking this one up, as the first was "meh" and the second was god awful. But if it's a sign of things to come, that makes me happy.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']So does that mean in Bond 23 I won't see any Sony Ericsson phones or Blu-ray discs? ;)[/quote] That's the theory. :) Craig signed a deal for 5 movies, with Sony owning the first two, and MGM picking the rights back up for the next 3.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']So does that mean in Bond 23 I won't see any Sony Ericsson phones or Blu-ray discs? ;)[/quote]Or Vaio notebook computers?
 
On an unrelated note, the 2007 AFI top 100 films list is out. There are some changes, but the biggest is the John Wayne/John Ford western epic "The Searchers" jumped from 96th place to 12th. I think that's the biggest single-year advance in the history of the AFI. I wonder if it has anything to do with Warner's absolutely fucking SPECTACULAR HD DVD/Blu-Ray release.....
 
well my 5 movies from the HD DVD rebate came into today:

Blazing Saddles
Constatine
Four Brothers
Seabiscuit
We Were Soldiers

guess what I'm gonna be doing this weekend
 
Dope, my laptop shipped yesterday and is scheduled for delivery Thursday morning. Not bad for shipping from Shanghai, China, that basically amounts to international freight.

Edit: nice, it's cleared customs in Alaska and is on a plane to the lower 48.
 
[quote name='anomynous']well my 5 movies from the HD DVD rebate came into today:

Blazing Saddles
Constatine
Four Brothers
Seabiscuit
We Were Soldiers

guess what I'm gonna be doing this weekend[/QUOTE]

Did you get a postcard about a delay first ? I did , I'm trying to figure out when I'll get mine . :)
 
[quote name='geko29']Dope, my laptop shipped yesterday and is scheduled for delivery Thursday morning. Not bad for shipping from Shanghai, China, that basically amounts to international freight.

Edit: nice, it's cleared customs in Alaska and is on a plane to the lower 48.[/QUOTE]

When my MacBook was on its way from China, it hopped over to Alaska, and had to travel through Michigan just wind up back west in California.
 
[quote name='geko29']Holy resurrected article batman!

You do realize that was from back in July, right? My first clue to check the dateline was the mention that Steve Nickerson worked for Warner Brothers. He very publicly stepped down a few months ago.[/quote]
ROFL and the opening line, last I heard Blu-ray was winning in PAL territories 4-1, and I have a very strong feeling that number will only continue to increase with PS3 sales after price drop.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...Tide_to_Surface_on_Blu-ray_this_February/1162

And Geko, Crimson Tide is now officially February 5th, 2008.
 
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Here are a few gifts. Pick yer poision, suckaz.

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If anyone has any variation requests let me know and I'll do it and add it here. Unless it's fucking stupid.
 
Its not going to end anytime soon.

You guys can predict and whine and boast, but what it comes down to is what the average person picks up at the store: What’s the cheapest and easiest to get.

Average person who walks into the store who wants HD, they see a player for $100 and in the title "HD DVD", all they have to do is connect the dots.

Yes right now blue ray is winning and it is the superior product of the two, but i think the scales are going to even out after this holiday season. This past weeks and continuing into this weeks rush to buy the $100 hd player, and selling out at almost every location, will lead to the inevitable purchasing of HDDVDS to watch on it.

It continues on but don’t forget that you guys are not the majority and are quite educated about the choices. And as we have seen with VHS and beta max that the best quality doesn’t always win.

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[quote name='Jedi1979']can you make one that says you are with both but have the Blu-ray and HD DVD logos instead?[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Stay tuned.


Inf^Shini - Check the 360 forum :)
 
[quote name='KaneRobot'][size=+2]CAMEO APPEARANCE[/size] in big scary thread

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I need to stop coming in here , I'm not going to change anyone's mind and they certainly aren't going to change mine .

I'm not saying I'll never post in here again .
 
So i got my a3. So far i am liking it better. I was reading through some threads and noticed that the a3 downmixes to dd instead of dts. This is perfect for me since my receiver acts gay when dts is sent to it. This will hold me over until i get a good deal on the onkyo. I guess though i am not seeing any audio immprovement over the addon since that sent dd as well.


A2 would by default downmix to dts. I am still going to put the latest 2.7 update on the a2 and give it another spin..

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[quote name='dallow']Does anyone have real news?[/QUOTE]

A nice editorial, I suppose:

Euro HD DVD camp clams up on format sales figures
By Tony Smith [More by this author]
14th November 2007 11:22 GMT

Editors' Blog The European HD DVD Promotional Group has refused to back up claims that the next-generation optical disc format it's backing is the movie buff's favourite by revealing how many HD DVD players have been bought over here.

Register Hardware asked it this question because earlier this week the organisation announced that numbers garnered independently by local market watcher GfK showed that 3.8 HD DVD discs have been sold for every player purchased in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy and the Benelux countries.

By contrast, only 0.6 Blu-ray Discs have been sold for every BD-capable player and console bought in those regions.

So HD DVD is the most popular format then? Well, not necessarily - it all depends on the number of units of each type of playback device that have been sold.

Yes, HD DVD backers may, on average, have purchased 3.8 discs each. But if there are only a hundred of them, that's just 380 discs. If Sony has shipped more than a million PlayStation 3s in Europe, that's 600,000 discs - rather more than 380.

Now which is the most popular format, in terms of disc sales?

Of course, rather more than 100 HD DVD playback devices have been sold in Europe to date, but the it's very telling that the European HD DVD PG won't say how many.

"Unfortunately, we aren’t releasing total sales numbers because we feel that it is early days for both formats compared to DVD," a European HD DVD PG spokeswoman told us.

In short, the organisation doesn't want comparisons being drawn with 'old technology' DVD sales, let alone its rival HD format.

Its unwillingness to release hard data leads us to believe that right now the vast majority of European consumers are not interested in HD DVD. They're probably not interested in Blu-ray either, but so big has been the take up of the PS3, in comparison to HD DVD, that it's building momentum. The upcoming cheap, 40GB PS3 will only drive this trend harder.

Register Hardware is bi-partisan - we can see advantages and failings in both formats. But if the European HD DVD Promotional Group really is confident its format will be successful, it should have the courage to come clean on the numbers. That it doesn't, speaks volumes.
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http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/11/14/euro_hddvd_sales_challenge/
 
http://charts.highdefdigest.com/rank.aspx

Any of you HD DVD spinsters want to explain this 'un for me? :rofl:

(yes, I'm just baiting you to finally get an admission that Amazon rankings are irrelevant).

Shrek isn't going to be a big deal for HD DVD, clearly, as it hasn't even broken the top 50 in the rankings, while Transformers was in the top 10 for several weeks prior to and for a short time after release. Tee-hee.
 
It's actually doing better than I expected, honestly. I haven't heard too much good about it, and animation doesn't seem to sell well on HDM either. I expect it to do better than Meet The Robinsons, about the same as Cars (because it's a catalog), and not as well as Ratatouille. Say 25k?
 
I just gotta say, I watched Ratatouille clueless as to how good it would be despite the sticker right on it that says "Best Reviewed Film Of The Year", since someone else in the family wanted to watch it, and I ended up loving it. In fact, I ended up watching it again and again. I was really surprised :p
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://charts.highdefdigest.com/rank.aspx

Any of you HD DVD spinsters want to explain this 'un for me? :rofl:

(yes, I'm just baiting you to finally get an admission that Amazon rankings are irrelevant).

Shrek isn't going to be a big deal for HD DVD, clearly, as it hasn't even broken the top 50 in the rankings, while Transformers was in the top 10 for several weeks prior to and for a short time after release. Tee-hee.[/QUOTE]

All I can say is that personally, while Shrek the Third was a good movie, it wasn't something I'd watch over and over. Especially not for $30.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']I just gotta say, I watched Ratatouille clueless as to how good it would be despite the sticker right on it that says "Best Reviewed Film Of The Year", since someone else in the family wanted to watch it, and I ended up loving it. In fact, I ended up watching it again and again. I was really surprised :p[/quote]
I haven't watched it yet (giving it to my son for christmas, and he probably won't get to watch it for another year or so), but one thing that struck me about that sticker is the fine print listing the source--Rotten Tomatoes. I'v'e been using them for years, and it's nice to see that they've "made it" to the point of being a marketing bullet point for Disney.
 
Yeah, I wasn't worried about Shrek 3.

I am glad it netted me some cheap BD films though.

Cars, Rata2E, The Lives of Others, and Volver all arrived yesterday.
I'll probably pick up either Oldboy or Strange Encounters of the Third Kind today.
 
I didn't think Shrek would sell too well either, maybe if they had Shrek and Shrek 2 available I'm sure the first one would have sold a lot. Also, Paramount did a shitty job at advertising Shrek The Third on HD DVD. I was at the mall and I saw a poster for it, and it said "On DVD 11/13"...that was it, no mention of HD DVD whatsoever. Also, the commericals say "Shrek The Third is coming to DVD..." and a brief mention at the end "...also available on HD DVD". I don't blame marketing for it not being a top seller but It would have helped them a bit.

I can't wait to get mine and check it out, I think its the not the best of the series but its still enjoyable. Just hope that we see Shrek, Shrek 2, Madagascar, Over The Hedge, Flushed Away, and Shark Tale soon. Also, these new titles should be hitting HD DVD next year and on:

Bee Movie
Kung Fu Panda
[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=dBgxCzMgE9A[/media] Madagascar: The Crate Escape (possibly early 2008)
Monster vs. Aliens (2009)
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http://www.dreamworksanimation.com/

IMO these titles are pretty solid, I just hope that they relese them next year.
 
its 22.28 shipped for me at deepdiscount after code. ordered.

im also waiting for reviews on dbz and oceans set to see if they are any good.

my catalog of movies is growing like crazy.. i have a bunch of movies i have yet to even see
 
I really hope Bee Movie is good. I just like Jerry.
Most Dreamworks CG stuff is turd though.

[quote name='guyver2077']its 22.28 shipped for me at deepdiscount after code. ordered.

im also waiting for reviews on dbz and oceans set to see if they are any good.

my catalog of movies is growing like crazy.. i have a bunch of movies i have yet to even see[/quote]http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews2/disc_reviews/6977.php
 
[quote name='dallow']Really good quality on New Line's first HD title.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/994/hairspray2007.html

Finally Peter Bracke got a Sammy BD1400 so he can listen to the DTS-HD MA tracks.
He's got the same receiver as you geko.[/quote]
Nice. Where do you see his setup? I expected it to be at the end of the review. Not doubting you, of course, just curious to see what he's using.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']shrek review up..

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1139/shrekthethird.html

'Shrek the Third' on HD DVD proves that no one studio has a monopoly on fantastic high-def video presentations -- 'Shrek the Third' looks every bit as good as the best animated titles I've seen on either next-gen format.[/quote]Too bad it's a crappy movie.

But I expect no less from the visuals to be 5 star.
Digital to digital better be perfect for such big-name flicks.

Audio though....

The audio on 'Shrek the Third' is a comparative disappointment, if only because the film's engaging sound design deserves better than the Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround track (at 1.5mbps) that Paramount/DreamWorks provides here. Why the studio continues to eschew high-res audio on such major releases as this and the recent 'Transformers' remains a complete mystery to me.
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[quote name='LinkinPrime']I guess its all about personal choice. Out of all of the Dreamworks movies, Over The Hedge is by far my favorite followed by Madagascar, Shreks, Shark Tale, and Flushed Away....I have yet to see Bee Movie but I've heard great things about it.[/quote]Madagascar I enjoyed as well.
I'm still hyped about Bee Movie, the long trailer I downloaded on my PS3, ironically), had me laughing.

The "Hivo" comment... oh man.
 
anybody get the Ocean's Trilogy yet? i got the blu-ray version...My wife hasnt watched any of them yet so i am making her watch them with me in order. We watched Ocean's eleven last night, but i wasnt too pleased with the transfer. I dont know if it is supposed to have that older look to it but it just seemed "blah", if it is meant to look that way then fine but i am just not sure...i havent watched the other 2 yet so cant comment of those
 
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