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[quote name='dallow']Get it on DVD. (the latest issue)
It is still worth a viewing and I'm really surprised you've never seen it. (i think you haven't)

I love it. Pure 80s.[/quote]

Oh I have the remastered DVD version, I just meant I don't feel bad not being able to have it on High Def since its only available as a Blu-Ray import and it was reviewed poorly.
 
[quote name='dallow']It's also called being the biggest hypocrites in the world.

MMMMM Blu-Rays! I hate you so much! Nom nom nom nom nom!

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lol wtf?


[quote name='dallow']

Anyway.

Watched Ratatouille last night........... reviews weren't kidding about the spectacular audio.
It's just a perfect surround mix, any way you slice it, the rears and surrounds were used to perfection and not just mere ambiance. Even the menu was in 5.1!

Oh yeah, and the video was good too.
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I had to laugh at the little intro warning of 2-3 minute load times for BD players.
PS3 loads it in seconds.
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Yea, I was trippin' on the load warning, but when it took like >2 seconds to load I was like :whistle2:s
 
Numbers are in:

week: 65/35
YTD: 65/35
SI: 61/39

To review, this week consisted of residuals from Spiderman, and releases of Cars, Ratatouille, Pixar Shorts vs. Chuck and Larry. Top 5/10 lists to come.
 
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Top 10 by SKU:
 
1.  Ratatouille     100
2.  Spider-Man 3    34.98
3.  Cars     30.95
4.  Transformers    26.04
5.  I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry  19.52
6.  Spider-Man: The High Definition Trilogy 15.38
7.  Pixar Short Films Collection Vol. 1  11.56
8.  Knocked Up     8.53
9.  300 BR     7.70
10. Meet the Robinsons    7.60
 
xx. Evan Almighty    5.60
xx. Planet Earth: The Complete Series HD 4.74
xx. Planet Earth: The Complete Series BR 4.43
xx. 300 HD     3.62
 
 
Top 10 by Title:
 
1.  Ratatouille     100
2.  Spider-Man 3    34.98
3.  Cars     30.95
4.  Transformers    26.04
5.  I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry  19.52
6.  Spider-Man: The High Definition Trilogy 15.38
7.  Pixar Short Films Collection Vol. 1  11.56
8.  300      11.32
9.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series  9.17
10. Blood Diamond    8.96
 
 
Top 5 Blu-Ray:
 
1.  Ratatouille     100
2.  Spider-Man 3    34.98
3.  Cars     30.95
4.  Spider-Man: The High Definition Trilogy 15.38
5.  Pixar Short Films Collection Vol. 1  11.56
 
 
Top 5 HD DVD:
 
1.  Transformers    100
2.  I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry  74.98
3.  Knocked Up     32.78
4.  Evan Almighty    21.51
5.  Planet Earth: The Complete Series  18.22
 
Not as good as I had hoped for BD.
Good beat down though.

I walked into Frys on my lunchbreak, and there were 15 guys in the BD section alone. Most I've seen before was 2.

They raped the section and I didn't get my The Fly, so I just bought the Flight of the Conchords S1 and a 10' HDMI cable for 5 bucks.
 
[quote name='geko29']Numbers are in:

week: 65/35
YTD: 65/35
SI: 61/39

To review, this week consisted of residuals from Spiderman, and releases of Cars, Ratatouille, Pixar Shorts vs. Chuck and Larry. Top 5/10 lists to come.[/QUOTE]

This has been discussed many many times. With numbers and ratios the way they are how would HD win? I mean seriously. The most I could hope for was that both formats stayed around. Transformers jumped back up didn't it? I am guessing from that flood of cheap players people picked it up in HD.

Also why would HD Planet Earth consistently outsell Blu Ray? The only thing i could think of is there is just not as much to choose from?
 
I went to Fry's today in Tempe, AZ and they absolutely had no fox titles. I got transporter, and some guys must of went through and cleaned out the area. It was bare bones.

How could HD-DVD win with sales numbers and ratio's? Sell more than Blu-ray?
 
Oops, forgot to post the feature I mentioned above.
Maybe it's because I'm an old fogey at heart, but it seems beyond silly to me.

As mentioned in the last post, the new design for The Look And Sound Of Perfect site has an area where you can get more information about recent and upcoming movies.

One of the highlighted movies is Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix which is due on December 11, both by itself as well as in a box set that includes the previous movies. This is the latest of the Harry Potter movies, and there hasn’t been a ton of information out yet about this HD DVD disc. In fact, you couldn’t even pre-order it at Amazon until very recently.

The information for this movie at TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com mentioned a “Live Community Screening” feature which is described as follows:

Gather your own army of fellow wizards for a live community screening party. Invite other owners of the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix HD DVD to simultaneously watch from their own internet-accessed players and text with your remote, PC or cell phone. When you host an invitation-only viewing, you control the film by pausing and playing the feature on everyone’s machine. You can chat live with your friends as you watch.


That last sentence is really important.


Prior to this, HDi (HD DVD’s interactivity, including the web-enabled component) was implemented in a simple way where you’d go online via your player and download bonus material, or buy something like ringtones. This is pretty much what the old internet and web were about. The new web is about sharing, and it’s really great that we finally have a use for HDi that gets it all caught up with the present, and takes home movie enjoyment into the future by combining it with communication.

Watching a movie with your friends is neat, but maybe they can’t be there with you. So the “Live Community Screening” feature allows all of you to watch from your own homes, instead. You can message each other right on screen as you can on multiplayer video games. I think this is a far more compelling selling point for HDi than the “log in and buy more stuff” idea. It’s not about the studio, but more about you.

I really think this is the “killer app” for HDi, and I can’t wait to start seeing it available on more movies. (A killer app refers to the particular application for a technology that makes that technology or its inclusion a must-have product or feature, and eventually propels those products into mega-success)

The fact that you can text from a phone demonstrates that the developers thought this out pretty well. Texting and messaging is insanely popular with the age group that’s most likely to be into Harry Potter, so kudos to Warner for implementing it on this disc. And kudos to Microsoft for pushing HDi, and to the HD DVD group for insisting on the mandatory inclusion of such interactive features on all HD DVD players ever made — not just the most recent or future models.
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[quote name='Snake2715']This has been discussed many many times. With numbers and ratios the way they are how would HD win? I mean seriously. The most I could hope for was that both formats stayed around. Transformers jumped back up didn't it? I am guessing from that flood of cheap players people picked it up in HD.[/quote]
You have to remember, this 65:35 (almost 2:1, but not quite) comes the week after the biggest movie to EVER hit Blu-Ray in the history of the format, along with the release of 3 Pixar discs, 2 of which are day and date. By anyone's measure, this should be one of the strongest weeks for BR. It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here, but I think we can all finally agree that 66:34 is no longer the mean, if it didn't quite make it that high in a week so lopsided as this one.

[quote name='Snake2715']Also why would HD Planet Earth consistently outsell Blu Ray? The only thing i could think of is there is just not as much to choose from?[/quote]
It just has. One of the theories is that it's one title that gamers are decidedly less interested in than non-gamers, and the installed base/demographic does the rest. The choice argument is rediculous, because at no time has there ever been a gap of more than 20 titles between the formats, and it usually hovers in the neighborhood of 10.
 
[quote name='geko29']You have to remember, this 65:35 (almost 2:1, but not quite) comes the week after the biggest movie to EVER hit Blu-Ray in the history of the format, along with the release of 3 Pixar discs, 2 of which are day and date. By anyone's measure, this should be one of the strongest weeks for BR. It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here, but I think we can all finally agree that 66:34 is no longer the mean, if it didn't quite make it that high in a week so lopsided as this one.[/QUOTE]

I'd glean from this that the majority of current Blu-Ray owners are more homogenous, as a group, than HD DVD owners (which may be a corollary of the "why does PE sell better on HD DVD" argument). We'll see what the dropoffs for the Pixar movies are, which should lend some credibility (or kill) that theory, though.

For Gizmo the simple folk, I'm saying it's possible that Blu-Ray owners are more gamers, and thus have "gamer tastes", than we would collectively care to admit.
 
Slow moving, and IMO just not very good. I mean of course the PQ and AQ are through the roof and I love Pixar's charm but Ratatouille just doesn't live up story-wise to the likes of Finding Nemo or Toy Story which are definitely high standards but yeah it just didn't rub off on me well. And I just couldn't stand Patton Oswalt's voice for 2 hours.

I'm about to make an order for these...

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Pirates 1
Pirates 2
Remember the Titans
Kung Fu Hustle
Big Fish
Memento
Layer Cake
The Fifth Element (Remastered)
Donnie Brasco

$107.xx

And my 5 free are due in soon. :)

I hope Disney plans on releasing Toy Story, Monster's Inc, A Bug's Life, Finding Nemo on Blu
 
It's not just you. I can recall three films that hit theaters this year: I saw Spiderman 3 and Live Free or Die Hard in the theater, and enjoyed one of them. Saw Transformers on HD DVD (missed it in the theater) and enjoyed it. I'm also excited to see Bourne Ultimatum. But the fact that I can only think of four, and one is a confirmed stinker, is just sad. I remember years when I was looking forward to a movie every two weeks.

In the interest of full disclosure, a movie has to be far more interesting to me in the past 18 months than it has previous to that in order to merit a screening, because my in-home movie experience finally exceeds that which I can get at any theater, so it takes a LOT for me to actually spend the money to go to the local joint.
 
[quote name='geko29']It's not just you. I can recall three films that hit theaters this year: I saw Spiderman 3 and Live Free or Die Hard in the theater, and enjoyed one of them. Saw Transformers on HD DVD (missed it in the theater) and enjoyed it. I'm also excited to see Bourne Ultimatum. But the fact that I can only think of four, and one is a confirmed stinker, is just sad. I remember years when I was looking forward to a movie every two weeks.

In the interest of full disclosure, a movie has to be far more interesting to me in the past 18 months than it has previous to that in order to merit a screening, because my in-home movie experience finally exceeds that which I can get at any theater, so it takes a LOT for me to actually spend the money to go to the local joint.[/quote]
I agree, I remember in my high school days there was at least a movie a month I would want to go and see. Now? There was Transformers, 300, Bourne, TMNT, Spider-man 3 and 3:10 to yuma, and I didn't see 3:10 in theaters, but will rent it when it comes out on Blu-ray. Transformers was alright, 300 was awesome, Bourne was Awesome, TMNT was a nice LTTP, and Spider-man 3 was disappointing.

Peter Jackson needs to get back to making LOTR movies. ;)

EDIT for question below: HBO is dual format.
 
What format would A Bronx Tale be released on?

HBO retains the rights to the home movie distribution.

Man I love that movie. Coffeecake was tough to look at :booty:
 
[quote name='geko29']Numbers are in:

week: 65/35
YTD: 65/35
SI: 61/39

To review, this week consisted of residuals from Spiderman, and releases of Cars, Ratatouille, Pixar Shorts vs. Chuck and Larry. Top 5/10 lists to come.[/QUOTE]

Nice. :lol:

Three Pixar Movies and Spider-Man 3 and the standard ratio barley moved. You would think with a Day and Date release of a big movie like Ratatatoiu, Cars, Spider-Man 3, Spider-Man Trilogy and the all-new Pixar Shorts Blu-ray would have have a better week...but they didn't. Love it. Whats next that will "kill HD DVD"? Die Hard? Simpsons Movie? POTC3?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I think Gizmo needs a civil war sig for "I'm sittin' on the fence."

Sign me up for a :lol: at "desperation." Guess $98 HD DVD players were a benevolent gift to the public, and not a desperate firesale of stock that had been manufactured in late 2006. ;)

If you're so bothered by the sales, why do you support them by buying from them? Jaysis, you're a hypocrite of the most insignificant level.[/QUOTE]

You mean the 1 day sale at Wal-mart which Best Buy also jumped in on to price match it? Yeah. Let me know when they do it every week like the BDA with its BOGO sales. Now ALL the Blu-ray exclusive studios have jumped in with BOGO. Desperation!
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Nice. :lol:

Three Pixar Movies and Spider-Man 3 and the standard ratio barley moved. You would think with a Day and Date release of a big movie like Ratatatoiu, Cars, Spider-Man 3, Spider-Man Trilogy and the all-new Pixar Shorts Blu-ray would have have a better week...but they didn't. Love it. Whats next that will "kill HD DVD"? Die Hard? Simpsons Movie? POTC3?[/quote]
Too bad it was the week after Spider-man came out....

And I am still waiting for the movie to kill Blu-ray.

And BOGO is desperation but cutting the price of the HD-DVD player 400% in one year isn't? PLLLLLLEEEASSSSEEEEE
 
Blu: Die Hard Quadrilogy, Cast Away, Independence Day, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, PotC At World's End, Superbad, Lost Season 3, The Simpsons Movie, Terminator 3, Rush Hour 3.

HD-DVD: Anchorman, Old School, The Bourne Ultimatum, Balls of Fury, The Kingdom.

I wish the Kingdom was coming to Blu so bad.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']It's called "Holiday season." All companies and stores do sales.[/QUOTE]

They do? The Blu-ray BOGO has been every 3-4 weeks for several months now. This week alone we got two different BOGO sales (Sony/Disney and Fox/MGM).

des·per·a·tion (děs'pə-rā'shən) Pronunciation Key

1. The condition of being desperate.
2. Recklessness arising from despair.

Sounds like the BDA to me. 3 Blu-ray movies, 1 a big hit, 1 a big hit from last year, and another being a new release, as well as Spider-Man 3 and Trilogy...and they couldn't even muster anything better then a 5 point "lead' on their normal average for the past few months.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']They do? The Blu-ray BOGO has been every 3-4 weeks for several months now. This week alone we got two different BOGO sales (Sony/Disney and Fox/MGM).

des·per·a·tion (děs'pə-rā'shən) Pronunciation Key

1. The condition of being desperate.
2. Recklessness arising from despair.

Sounds like the BDA to me. 3 Blu-ray movies, 1 a big hit, 1 a big hit from last year, and another being a new release, as well as Spider-Man 3 and Trilogy...and they couldn't even muster anything better then a 5 point "lead' on their normal average for the past few months.[/quote]
But Fox has never been part of a sale before, and gee holiday season comes and Fry's does a sale! And how Isn't the HD-DVD camp desperate? 150 million dollars for Paramount and Dreamworks? Slashing prices of their players like no other? Yeah, HD-DVD camp is calm and cool. :roll: And the BDA should be so ashamed for only beating HD-DVD 71:29 with it's biggest hit. How did HD-DVD do with it's biggest release? It still lost? ohh thats right. And what are the two of the top 3 movies sold on Blu-ray? Departed and 300? Ohh wait, you mean two movies never part of the BOGO because they are Dual format...........


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_advantage
Competitive advantages vary from situation to situation and from time to time. Some basic examples of CAs can be divided in 4 main global areas:
Cost: Low-cost operations
Quality: High quality, Consistent quality
Time: Delivery speed, On-time delivery, Development speed
Flexibility: Customization, Volume flexibility, Variety
Hmmm, cost, so BDA's strategy with Blu-ray is to make their movies cheaper with BOGO and better quality by making their discs with more storage and anti-scratch protection......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_differentiation
Product differentiation (also known simply as "differentiation") is the process of distinguishing the differences of a product or offering from others, to make it more attractive to a particular target market. This involves differentiating it from competitors' products as well as one's own product offerings.
Differentiates from it's competitor with anti-scratch protection, more studio support and BOGO sales.........

Sounds like BDA is doing normal business processes to me.

*waits for the Attach rates and Blu-ray Java retort from Gizmo*
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Too bad it was the week after Spider-man came out....

And I am still waiting for the movie to kill Blu-ray.

And BOGO is desperation but cutting the price of the HD-DVD player 400% in one year isn't? PLLLLLLEEEASSSSEEEEE[/QUOTE]

The week after? Transformers pulled strong numbers the week after and the week after that. Why shouldn't Spider-Man? You know, the "HD DVD killer" that was spouted for several months?

You mean like Samsung's $1,000 player now MSPRing for $399? Thats a $600 PERMANENT price drop. A $99 A2 was not a permanent price drop. The retail price is still $199/$249 for the A2/A3. Nice try though, cute really.

I like how a 1 day sale is apparently the price of HD DVD players now.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']But Fox has never been part of a sale before, and gee holiday season comes and Fry's does a sale! And how Isn't the HD-DVD camp desperate? 150 million dollars for Paramount and Dreamworks? Slashing prices of their players like no other? Yeah, HD-DVD camp is calm and cool. :roll: And the BDA should be so ashamed for only beating HD-DVD 71:29 with it's biggest hit. How did HD-DVD do with it's biggest release? It still lost? ohh thats right.

*waits for the Attach rates and Blu-ray Java retort from Gizmo*[/QUOTE]

Can you send me a link that proves $150 million was paid out? Can you? Ive asked before, and all I get an article by some Paramount "reps" that say that to some random journalist. If $150 million was paid out, I'm sure their would be a nice paper trail so it could be investigated. Please, show me the phantom $150 million payout now please. I'll await you're response.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Can you send me a link that proves $150 million was paid out? Can you? Ive asked before, and all I get an article by some Paramount "reps" that say that to some random journalist. If $150 million was paid out, I'm sure their would be a nice paper trail so it could be investigated. Please, show me the phantom $150 million payout now please. I'll await you're response.[/quote]
Can you send me an article proving that they weren't? Can you send me an article that Fox and Disney were paid out like you claim?

New York Times and Hollywood Def Magazine are not some random journalist and are a far more reputable source than you.
And Spider-man 3 was still the 2nd best selling title last week, outselling Cars and your precious Transformers, sounds like a pretty good showing to me.

And why would there be a paper trail? There's nothing illegal about it, and therefore no paper trail would be necessary to be investigated. Plus, I don't remember the article, but someone at highdefdigest asked a paramount rep if they were paid off and they didn't flat out refuse that they were.
Plus, any link I would send you, you would just claim is "invalid" because it doesn't include Wal-mart numbers, like you claim the Nielson numbers are now. ;)

And yet you claim that the "one day" sale will be the DEATH of Blu-ray and the SAVIOR of HD-DVD!!!!!!!

Cheapest Blu-ray last year 600. Cheapest blu-ray now, 400. Chepeast HD-DVD last year? I can't remember, ~400, cheapest HD-DVD now? 98-199. And if that's the case, than you most certainly get what you pay for with the extra 200$ in the Blu-ray player, 1080p support with more audio support? very nice.

And excuse me while I go watch Transporter that I was able to pick up today for 13.99 because of the DAMN BDA and their desperate BOGO sales! HOW DARE THEY MAKE BLU-RAY DISCS AFFORDABLE!!! HOW DARE THEY!!!!!

/sarcasm
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']
And excuse me while I go watch Transporter that I was able to pick up today for 13.99 because of the DAMN BDA and their desperate BOGO sales! HOW DARE THEY MAKE BLU-RAY DISCS AFFORDABLE!!! HOW DARE THEY!!!!!

/sarcasm[/quote]

Please go watch your movies and stop posting. Thanks.
 
Gizmo knows better than to trust an unreliable source like the New York Times.

:rofl:

EDIT: Lice, I'm not sure if you know what thread you're posting in, but childish and silly insults (and the denial that a conglomerate with 35% marketshare would do something desperate, while the conglomerate with 65% marketshare does nothing but desperate moves) are the norm here, thankyouverymuch.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Three Pixar Movies and Spider-Man 3 and the standard ratio barley moved. You would think with a Day and Date release of a big movie like Ratatatoiu, Cars, Spider-Man 3, Spider-Man Trilogy and the all-new Pixar Shorts Blu-ray would have have a better week...but they didn't. Love it. Whats next that will "kill HD DVD"? Die Hard? Simpsons Movie? POTC3?[/QUOTE]

Only you could spin the 65:35 ratio into a bad thing. Well done.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Cheapest Blu-ray last year 600. Cheapest blu-ray now, 400. Chepeast HD-DVD last year? I can't remember, ~400, cheapest HD-DVD now? 98-199. And if that's the case, than you most certainly get what you pay for with the extra 200$ in the Blu-ray player, 1080p support with more audio support? very nice.[/quote]
Actually the BDP-S300 (cheapest standalone blu-ray player) doesn't support any advanced audio codecs except for the DD+ 6.1/7.1 extention packets onto 640k Dolby Digital . All HD DVD players support DD+ at up to 3.0Mbps and TrueHD.
 
[quote name='geko29']Actually the BDP-S300 (cheapest standalone blu-ray player) doesn't support any advanced audio codecs except for the DD+ 6.1/7.1 extention packets onto 640k Dolby Digital . All HD DVD players support DD+ at up to 3.0Mbps and TrueHD.[/quote]

PS3 does, and I am pretty sure the new panasonic one does now as well.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']So, HD DVD is going to go the way of Beta and Laser Disc? :roll: What a revolutionary thought?!?![/quote]
I'd personally be quite happy if it went the way of laserdisc. That is, lasting 20 years and having over 43,000 titles available. That would suit me just fine. :lol:
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']You're like the opposite of Gizmo, only not funny.[/quote]I hope that doesn't mean you think Gizmo is funny.
Maybe funny as in funny/sad?
 
I just bought Nip/Tuck Season 4 on Blu-ray for $25 paypal on another forum. The best deal online is to buy it at DDD for $45 after the 20% off.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']the hell are quad roller skates doing in the junk closet!?!?!?!

BLASPHEMERS!!![/quote]

Have they watched ATL? Quad's are still going strong ;)

There's still a spot right in the middle of Burbank/Glendale, but Rollerblades seem to be the norm if anything :eek:
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']You're like the opposite of Gizmo, only not funny.[/QUOTE]


well at least I'm clean... Giz didn't like water too much
 
Was out of town for a couple days but people came up with a couple new ones over at highdefdigest. I touched them up a little...couldn't find a decent sized version of the UMD logo.

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