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[quote name='dallow']Hehe, ok, because if you just knew that off the top of your head....

Then Gizmo would be right.[/QUOTE]

Is...that a first? :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

Haha.
 
[quote name='geko29']That's not true. There are 47 HD DVD titles currently available with MSRPs of ~$40. There are 90 Blu-Rays at that price.

If you expand that to include all titles over $35 (boxsets, etc), the numbers rise to 57 HD DVDs vs. 95 Blu-Rays. An additional 57 Blu-Rays are between $30-35, vs. just 31 HD DVDs. That's 88 HD DVDs over $30, vs 152 Blu-Rays.

No matter how you slice it, it boils down to twice as many pricey BDs compared to HDs, despite the same number of titles on both formats, and more boxsets being available on HD DVD. Furthermore, close to 20 of the $40 HD DVDs are being reissued as cheaper non-combos. This will skew the numbers even further.

And remind me again which format is the only one with an announced (single) non-limited-edition title priced in excess of $40?[/quote]
Yeah, that's true, that's the MSRP, but stores never sell for that much. For example, whenever I go on to Amazon, if it's a dual format release, the HD-DVD version is usally more expensive, or if I go to Fry's they always have great deal's on Blu-ray for 13.99, and Best Buy recently had a deal where they had 3 movies for 13.99 on Blu-ray, and I don't remember seeing any at a really good price on HD-DVD at any of those stores.

Or another Example, the MSRP for the Spider-man Trilogy is 99.99, but Amazon is selling it for 66$
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Yeah, that's true, that's the MSRP, but stores never sell for that much. For example, whenever I go on to Amazon, if it's a dual format release, the HD-DVD version is usally more expensive, or if I go to Fry's they always have great deal's on Blu-ray for 13.99, and Best Buy recently had a deal where they had 3 movies for 13.99 on Blu-ray, and I don't remember seeing any at a really good price on HD-DVD at any of those stores.

Or another Example, the MSRP for the Spider-man Trilogy is 99.99, but Amazon is selling it for 66$[/quote] Amazon pretty much does 30% off accross the board, so MSRP still matters. The only time a dual-format release is more expensive on HD DVD is if it's a Warner combo. Paramount charges combo prices for non-combo Day and Date titles (I realize this will soon only impact HD DVD), while Fox, Sony, and Lionsgate charge $40 for ALL movies, even crappy old catalog releases. And Sony recently set the price record with the announcement of Spiderman 3. $42.95 (was originally going to be $50) for a single, non-combo title, making it the most expensive single release on Amazon (except for the serialized collector's edition of Blade Runner) at $30.

Titles that list for $39-40 are either $26.95 or $27.95 on Amazon--the same price as HD DVD combos. Except there are a LOT more $39-40 list discs on Blu-Ray.

Your comment about Best Buy is well taken. They do seem to have more sales on Blu-Ray titles than HD DVD titles. But I doubt many of the $14 titles have been Fox, Sony, Lionsgate or Disney movies.

Fry's on the other hand, has equal sales on both sides. The two most recent ads with HiDef movies in them were this past Saturday; where there were 3 HD DVDs for $20 and one for $25 vs. 1 Blu-Ray for $25, and last Friday, with HD DVDs for $19, $20, $27 and $29, with Blu-Rays for $19, $20, $26, $27 and $29. The week before that it was 2 HD DVDs for $20 each, with one for $27, vs. 3 Blu-Rays for $27 each. Both formats occasionally have the good sales there, and I've gotten a half-dozen or so movies for $14 there. Most recent being Superman II a few weeks ago. Perhaps the reason you don't notice the HD DVD sales there is because you're not shopping for them?

Regardless, I rarely have to spend more than $18 on my HD DVDs, and never more than $25 (exept for Planet Earth and Heroes season 1). I'd just have to spend $25 on twice as many of my titles (1/3 instead of 1/6 based on total titles avaialable) if I were buying Blu-Ray, and quite a few (Disney titles, mostly) would be $22 as well. When the discount for 90% of your purchases (Amazon) is based on MSRP, MSRP matters. :)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I was wondering when a BR copy would surface on eBay. $100? Jesus, this movie looks tough to choke down at $20. :lol:[/quote]

That's $100 for a opened copy.

I think someone would need to pay me $20 to see that movie.
 
My wife's store never even got any copies of the Blu-ray version. The week Paramount made their announcement, their shipment of the DVD edition showed up. The high definition formats shipment were "ON ORDER". One week later, the HD DVD version showed up.

They had to rip off the part of the display that advertised "Available in HD DVD and Blu-ray!"

Its not a terrible movie. Not something I'd watch regularly like Hot Fuzz, but the performances carried it out of shitty SNL skit territory to HBO Sunday afternoon movie when you should be doing lawn work territory.
 
[quote name='geko29']Amazon pretty much does 30% off accross the board, so MSRP still matters. The only time a dual-format release is more expensive on HD DVD is if it's a Warner combo. Paramount charges combo prices for non-combo Day and Date titles (I realize this will soon only impact HD DVD), while Fox, Sony, and Lionsgate charge $40 for ALL movies, even crappy old catalog releases. And Sony recently set the price record with the announcement of Spiderman 3. $42.95 (was originally going to be $50) for a single, non-combo title, making it the most expensive single release on Amazon (except for the serialized collector's edition of Blade Runner) at $30.

Titles that list for $39-40 are either $26.95 or $27.95 on Amazon--the same price as HD DVD combos. Except there are a LOT more $39-40 list discs on Blu-Ray.

Your comment about Best Buy is well taken. They do seem to have more sales on Blu-Ray titles than HD DVD titles. But I doubt many of the $14 titles have been Fox, Sony, Lionsgate or Disney movies.

Fry's on the other hand, has equal sales on both sides. The two most recent ads with HiDef movies in them were this past Saturday; where there were 3 HD DVDs for $20 and one for $25 vs. 1 Blu-Ray for $25, and last Friday, with HD DVDs for $19, $20, $27 and $29, with Blu-Rays for $19, $20, $26, $27 and $29. The week before that it was 2 HD DVDs for $20 each, with one for $27, vs. 3 Blu-Rays for $27 each. Both formats occasionally have the good sales there, and I've gotten a half-dozen or so movies for $14 there. Most recent being Superman II a few weeks ago. Perhaps the reason you don't notice the HD DVD sales there is because you're not shopping for them?

Regardless, I rarely have to spend more than $18 on my HD DVDs, and never more than $25 (exept for Planet Earth and Heroes season 1). I'd just have to spend $25 on twice as many of my titles (1/3 instead of 1/6 based on total titles avaialable) if I were buying Blu-Ray, and quite a few (Disney titles, mostly) would be $22 as well. When the discount for 90% of your purchases (Amazon) is based on MSRP, MSRP matters. :)[/quote]

Yeah, I guess, but just looking at Target today it seemed that are Blu-ray movies are cheaper or the same price as the HD-DVD's. And I guess my point is, if HD-DVD is so much cheaper to produce and yada yada, shouldn't combo discs STILL be the same price? I mean, DVD's are really cheap now. Anyways, it just seems to me the consumer doesn't see the production advantages of HD-DVD. The most I have spent on a Blu-ray so far is 30$, and that was Casino Royale the day it came out, besides that, I got 2 for 14$ each, TMNT for 20, 300 for 25$, Terminator 2 for 10$ (after rebate). So I really don't spend much either.

BTw, the most recent 14$ at best buy was Black Hawk Down, Kung Fu Hustle, and House of Flying Daggers, all Sony movies. :D
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Yeah, I guess, but just looking at Target today it seemed that are Blu-ray movies are cheaper or the same price as the HD-DVD's. And I guess my point is, if HD-DVD is so much cheaper to produce and yada yada, shouldn't combo discs STILL be the same price? I mean, DVD's are really cheap now. Anyways, it just seems to me the consumer doesn't see the production advantages of HD-DVD. The most I have spent on a Blu-ray so far is 30$, and that was Casino Royale the day it came out, besides that, I got 2 for 14$ each, TMNT for 20, 300 for 25$, Terminator 2 for 10$ (after rebate). So I really don't spend much either.

BTw, the most recent 14$ at best buy was Black Hawk Down, Kung Fu Hustle, and House of Flying Daggers, all Sony movies. :D[/quote]

without a doubt it should be cheaper...IIRC, it is roughly .08 to make a dvd, .80 to make a hd dvd and close to $4 for a blu ray...If hd dvd really wanted to win, they will have a much better pricing structure.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']without a doubt it should be cheaper...IIRC, it is roughly .08 to make a dvd, .80 to make a hd dvd and close to $4 for a blu ray...If hd dvd really wanted to win, they will have a much better pricing structure.[/quote]

Quite frankly, I don't get why it's more expensive to make a HD-DVD, since all it is a DVD with the data compressed more...... Ohh well, I agree, HD-DVD should have better pricing.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']without a doubt it should be cheaper...IIRC, it is roughly .08 to make a dvd, .80 to make a hd dvd and close to $4 for a blu ray...If hd dvd really wanted to win, they will have a much better pricing structure.[/QUOTE]

I remember reading that the costs of the actual discs were about the same for both BD and HD-DVD. I think HD-DVD really only has the advantage when it comes to the manufacturing of the discs.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I remember reading that the costs of the actual discs were about the same for both BD and HD-DVD. I think HD-DVD really only has the advantage when it comes to the manufacturing of the discs.[/QUOTE]

Apparently the reduced costs of BD50 just ran out...so while studios were getting discounts...they won't anymore.
 
so i havent been paying attention for a couple weeks. has any1 won the war yet? :lol:

i mean sony did announce the war was over like in Feb right? it must be all the paperwork holding them up.:hot:
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Apparently the reduced costs of BD50 just ran out...so while studios were getting discounts...they won't anymore.[/QUOTE]

Really? So is that $4 figure somewhat accurate?
 
[quote name='propeller_head']so i havent been paying attention for a couple weeks. has any1 won the war yet? :lol:

i mean sony did announce the war was over like in Feb right? it must be all the paperwork holding them up.:hot:[/QUOTE]

I believe they also anounced they won the war in March and May as well.
 
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/9946/10970/sony-invites-toshiba-blu-ray-group.phtml

:lol:

Let's end the format war with hugs and kisses

by Stuart Miles 5 September 2007 9:00 GMT - Sony Pictures has openly invited Toshiba and Microsoft to join the Blu-ray Disc Association.

The comment above comes from Don Eklund, executive vice president of advanced technologies and Rich Marty, vice president, new business development, after Pocket-lint asked which companies they would most like to have in the Association, following the announcement from Acer that it would start to sell PCs with Blu-ray drives.

"We would love to have Toshiba and Microsoft on board," said Don Eklund in an interview with Pocket-lint at IFA in Berlin, Germany.

The IFA event saw an official announcement from Toshiba and the HD DVD Promotion Group about the lowering of prices for both HD DVD stand-alone players as well as for laptops with HD DVD drives, trying to fight the format war on price points.

Eklund and Marty questioned Toshiba's pricing strategy; "Tosh can't keep dropping prices much more," said Eklund. "It maybe a strategy for fighting a format war, but for us it has to be profitable."

According to the vice president of technologies he'd: "Never thought the price was an issue... when it comes to investing in a state of the art entertainment system with HD-Ready television and surround sound system, having to spend a bit extra to get Blu-ray, we feel, isn't going to drive customers away. It's the bigger picture we are looking at."

That apparent naivety is why, according to the Blu-ray camp, players are considerably more expensive than their HD DVD counterparts, because they have to be profitable, and it seems that DVD no longer offered that kind of attractive bottom line.

"The DVD format was good, but profitability only lasted for a couple of years before there was no money to be had in the hardware market," said Marty. "We believe consumers are smart enough to realise the benefits and pay the extra accordingly."

When questioned on the internet, and the potential for the format war to be eclipsed entirely by movie downloads, sounding like music execs from the turn of the last century, both Eklund and Marty dismissed the potential of the internet:

"People aren't interested in downloading videos at the moment. The internet is a good way of delivering music but not video," said Eklund. "Blu-ray has a good 8 to 10 years before the internet catches up."

And as for how consumers are supposed to get around the Dreamworks and Paramount shift to HD DVD? "Buy it on DVD," Marty suggested - before quickly adding that Blu-ray players have upscaling features so you can still get the most out of the picture quality.
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
I don't see the funny in that quote. Was he supposed to recommend people support the competitors? I think, if he did say that, that would've been more :rofl: worthy.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I don't see the funny in that quote. Was he supposed to recommend people support the competitors? I think, if he did say that, that would've been more :rofl: worthy.[/QUOTE]

Well, if you absolutely must have a Paramount/Dreamworks picture (let's just hypothetically say you're a spineless parent with a spoilt little shit of a child who insists upon getting Shrek 3), you have two choices: buy the DVD, or buy the HD DVD. If you only own Blu-Ray, you could buy an HD DVD player, but would you really want to?

To be fair, all of this spending is surely discretionary; after all, nobody is holding a gun to your head and saying "buy Transformers now." But, of course, we don't think that way.

Prop_head think's it's funny because HD DVD has had what is essentially its first and only bit of good news in all of 2007. Let him enjoy it. The statement, whether the speaker was serious or meant it tongue-in-cheek, is akin to someone asking "what if we want Sony/Fox/Disney/MGM/Lionsgate movies and only own an HD DVD player?" Well, buy the DVD, buy a BR player, or STFU. It's not that hard to figure out.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, if you absolutely must have a Paramount/Dreamworks picture (let's just hypothetically say you're a spineless parent with a spoilt little shit of a child who insists upon getting Shrek 3), you have two choices: buy the DVD, or buy the HD DVD. If you only own Blu-Ray, you could buy an HD DVD player, but would you really want to?

To be fair, all of this spending is surely discretionary; after all, nobody is holding a gun to your head and saying "buy Transformers now." But, of course, we don't think that way.

Prop_head think's it's funny because HD DVD has had what is essentially its first and only bit of good news in all of 2007. Let him enjoy it. The statement, whether the speaker was serious or meant it tongue-in-cheek, is akin to someone asking "what if we want Sony/Fox/Disney/MGM/Lionsgate movies and only own an HD DVD player?" Well, buy the DVD, buy a BR player, or STFU. It's not that hard to figure out.[/quote] somehow i knew mr. high & mighty would chime in.

its hilarious because that's a plain ridiculous statement. he never said "if you dont have a HD DVD player" (let alone "if you already have a BR player but not a HD DVD). he just made the assumption that NOBODY has a HD DVD player or could even want one. much less him basically admitting that the reason BD players cost more is because they want to fleece the public for longer. which has been known by many (yet not acknowledged) for a long time, see: http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php

its the a hugely egregious example of PR BS, thats why its funny. ;)

the fact that you tried to rationalize it is even more funny. :lol:
 
wnorris (huge hd dvd fanboy) at avs writes:

I pointed out VMD here long ago, and it was laughed down as vaporware. Personally, I think they are too late to the game now. HD DVD is already too cheap for VMD to compete.

VMD was a neat concept though, and may still hold a niche market in the future. It was a red laser format with special multi-layer discs. A VMD disc could hold between 4-10 DVD layers on a single side, so disc capacities between 18.8 GB to 47 GB. My impression was that 10 layer discs were not practical yet and at launch it would be 4 layer discs only.

My understanding also was that material would only be 720p. 1080p was not a target. So at 720p, you could get a decent sized film at a nice bit rate on a 18 GB disc. I also don't think lossless audio was ever a goal. I actually think the releases they did have planned were using standard DD and DTS audio, like DVD's.

I think this format was ultimately targeted at China, so I thought there would be a good chance for long term viability. However, I think they were late to market there too, as China now has a proprietary HD DVD based format.

So unless VMD could hit the US at $50 for a player, with a good selection of movies at $15-$20 each by this holiday season, I don't think it stands a chance in the US. Now, it may be a niche product for people that like Opera, as a lot of content seems geared towards that crowd, and 720p with DD may be enough.
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[quote name='ryanbph']without a doubt it should be cheaper...IIRC, it is roughly .08 to make a dvd, .80 to make a hd dvd and close to $4 for a blu ray...If hd dvd really wanted to win, they will have a much better pricing structure.[/quote]

is this Fact? link?
 
[quote name='dallow']He's talking to BD supporters, not the world.[/quote]
no, hes talking about "consumers" not "Blu-ray supporters"
 
[quote name='propeller_head']somehow i knew mr. high & mighty would chime in.

its hilarious because that's a plain ridiculous statement. he never said "if you dont have a HD DVD player" (let alone "if you already have a BR player but not a HD DVD). he just made the assumption that NOBODY has a HD DVD player or could even want one. much less him basically admitting that the reason BD players cost more is because they want to fleece the public for longer. which has been known by many (yet not acknowledged) for a long time, see: http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php

its the a hugely egregious example of PR BS, thats why its funny. ;)

the fact that you tried to rationalize it is even more funny. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Well, I'm not sure how the question was worded (it isn't directly quoted in the article), but I assume that, since the question specifically asks how consumers are supposed to get around the Paramount/Dreamworks shift, they are specifically talking about those who don't have HD-DVD (a.k.a. the consumers that have to 'get around' the Paramount/Dreamworks shift). It seems like a safe assumption to make on the PRs part. It would be redundant of him to reinstate what was already implied in the question about the consumers not owning HD-DVD players.

Dallow was more correct in saying that he was speaking to non-HD-DVD owners.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Well, I'm not sure how the question was worded (it isn't directly quoted in the article), but I assume that, since the question specifically asks how consumers are supposed to get around the Paramount/Dreamworks shift, they are specifically talking about those who don't have HD-DVD (a.k.a. the consumers that have to 'get around' the Paramount/Dreamworks shift). It seems like a safe assumption to make on the PRs part. It would be redundant of him to reinstate what was already implied in the question about the consumers not owning HD-DVD players.

Dallow was more correct in saying that he was speaking to non-HD-DVD owners.[/quote]
wrong. your whole premise is based on assumptions. you make it seem like it has to be a misunderstanding because sony would never say something so asinine
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ray_Marketing_Message:_Format_War_is_Over/468

the "Getting around" he's talking about was primarily aimed at him re: what "consumers" (aka the general public) should do re: the lack of viacom titles now. he could have easily said "they will have to make due on HD DVD until the 18 months is over and the contract is open for negotiations". no, he instead say buy it on DVD because BD players will upscale it. what he's attempting to do is spin it so he avoids acknowledging that until at least 2009 the format war will continue. he's towing the BDA line trying his best (considering the situation) to play down even the existence of HD DVD.

im surprised you cant see the PR spin, its plain as day.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']wrong. your whole premise is based on assumptions. you make it seem like it has to be a misunderstanding because sony would never say something so asinine
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ray_Marketing_Message:_Format_War_is_Over/468[/QUOTE]

Oh these baseless fanboy accusations never get old.

the "Getting around" he's talking about was primarily aimed at him re: what "consumers" (aka the general public) should do re: the lack of viacom titles now. he could have easily said "they will have to make due on HD DVD until the 18 months is over and the contract is open for negotiations". no, he instead say buy it on DVD because BD players will upscale it. what he's attempting to do is spin it so he avoids acknowledging that until at least 2009 the format war will continue. he's towing the BDA line trying his best (considering the situation) to play down even the existence of HD DVD.

im surprised you cant see the PR spin, its plain as day.
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You're completely right. That question will be of great help to those HD-DVD owners who are dealing with this "problem" of Paramount/Dreamworks being HD-DVD exclusive. It's a shame there isn't someone to tell them that they don't have to buy it on DVD and watch it upscaled.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Oh these baseless fanboy accusations never get old.



You're completely right. That question will be of great help to those HD-DVD owners who are dealing with this "problem" of Paramount/Dreamworks being HD-DVD exclusive. It's a shame there isn't someone to tell them that they don't have to buy it on DVD and watch it upscaled.[/quote] what baseless accusation? thats highdefdigest

2ndly

all Blu-ray owners are consumers
all HD DVD owners are consumers

not all consumers are Blu-ray and/or HD DVD owners.

he was proposing a hypothetical question re (mainly) those consumers not invested in HD atm. aka 99% of the population
 
[quote name='propeller_head'] no, he instead say buy it on DVD because BD players will upscale it. what he's attempting to do is spin it so he avoids acknowledging that until at least 2009 the format war will continue. he's towing the BDA line trying his best (considering the situation) to play down even the existence of HD DVD.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='propeller_head']he was proposing a hypothetical question re (mainly) those consumers not invested in HD atm. aka 99% of the population[/QUOTE]

I'm sure *you* are fine with talking out of both sides of your mouth, but let's be real here. Is he (an exec for Sony Pictures) talking about DVD owners, BR owners, both, or neither? In your "I'm so damned sure of myself that I can impose any imputation of his statement in any direction I want, and remained 100% convinced of my correctness in saying so, even if I do say something different three posts later" way that only you can do oh so well.

I like the HD DVD aficionados: since the only good thing to happen to us this year is the Paramount deal, if we continue to attack each and every messenger that says anything short of "if HD DVD had a dick I would suck it," then we can subvert the market! Brilliant!
 
[quote name='propeller_head']what baseless accusation? thats highdefdigest[/QUOTE]

Just commenting on this
you make it seem like it has to be a misunderstanding because sony would never say something so asinine

As if I believe Sony never makes mistakes, which, I don't believe I have said anything of the sort.

[quote name='propeller_head']he was proposing a hypothetical question re (mainly) those consumers not invested in HD atm. aka 99% of the population[/QUOTE]

I'll agree with that, but part of your original post was faulting him for not including CURRENT HD-DVD players, which is what my response was about. But, judging by this post, it looks like you concede that stance.

I'm not sure what you want him to do when speaking to potential customers. Like my first response said, it would've been more :rofl: worthy if he had actually pointed potential customers to the competition.
 
BTW, has anyone mentioned that, as of last Thursday, Studio Canal (a foreign film company with a huge backlog) has gone from HD DVD exclusive to format neutral?

This is huge news outside of the US, but I don't anticipate that we'll see any effects here.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm sure *you* are fine with talking out of both sides of your mouth, but let's be real here. Is he (an exec for Sony Pictures) talking about DVD owners, BR owners, both, or neither? In your "I'm so damned sure of myself that I can impose any imputation of his statement in any direction I want, and remained 100% convinced of my correctness in saying so, even if I do say something different three posts later" way that only you can do oh so well.

I like the HD DVD aficionados: since the only good thing to happen to us this year is the Paramount deal, if we continue to attack each and every messenger that says anything short of "if HD DVD had a dick I would suck it," then we can subvert the market! Brilliant![/quote] first of all my statements arent contradictory. so i cant be talking out of both sides of my mouth. if youre going to accuse me of it, at least spend a few words explaining why you think its contradictory.

and the 2nd part of your post is just derisory. youre just flaming for flames sake.
[quote name='dpatel']Just commenting on this
you make it seem like it has to be a misunderstanding because sony would never say something so asinine

As if I believe Sony never makes mistakes, which, I don't believe I have said anything of the sort.




I'll agree with that, but part of your original post was faulting him for not including CURRENT HD-DVD players, which is what my response was about. But, judging by this post, it looks like you concede that stance.

I'm not sure what you want him to do when speaking to potential customers. Like my first response said, it would've been more :rofl: worthy if he had actually pointed potential customers to the competition.[/quote]
well i perceived it as implied because you seemed to be trying to rationalize conspicuous PR speak as being just misinterpreted and benign.

& yes that would have been more funny if he rec'd HD DVD. but rec'ing DVD instead i found :rofl:because the question was (imo) aimed at eliciting any potential BDA plans to regain or compensate for the (HD) loss. it was how he skirted the question so bluntly that was laughable.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']well i perceived it as implied because you seemed to be trying to rationalize conspicuous PR speak as being just misinterpreted and benign.[/QUOTE]

I was mainly referring to the part of the post which faulted him for not including CURRENT HD-DVD owners in his answer, which, we have both already determined, is redundant and ridiculous. So, can we move on now?

[quote name='propeller_head']& yes that would have been more funny if he rec'd HD DVD. but rec'ing DVD instead i found :rofl:[/QUOTE]

The other option would've been....?

I still don't see the humor in it. Maybe I'm just dead inside :(

[quote name='propeller_head']because the question was (imo) aimed at eliciting any potential BDA plans to regain or compensate for the (HD) loss. it was how he skirted the question so bluntly that was laughable.[/QUOTE]

You do realize that it would be impossible for BDA to regain Paramount/Dreamworks as they have already made a deal with HD-DVD.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']BTW, has anyone mentioned that, as of last Thursday, Studio Canal (a foreign film company with a huge backlog) has gone from HD DVD exclusive to format neutral?

This is huge news outside of the US, but I don't anticipate that we'll see any effects here.[/quote]
i had read at AVS a month or so back that they had a BD title on their website somewhere. but they hadnt announced anything. they also just made a joint deal w/ universal the beginning of this month starting 2008 movies will be distributed under Universal Studio Canal Video. they do have a pretty big library and are big in europe; i think they have something like 4 or 5k titles out. (not all on HD yet of course)

im curious how universal will play into this next year. maybe no more BD, maybe universal flicks available on BD. all depends on if they release all the movies across both formats like warner; or just the big sellers. one of the large reasons HD DVD is the preferred format in europe is because they have more movies w/ smaller audiences. unlike in the US where you have 1 movie marketed to 300 million ppl; a film in french will have the large majority of its audience in france. and HD DVD provided a much cheaper solution to producing a larger selection of discs at lower volume per (evidenced by the amazon deal or any cost breakdown of supply/demand/setup/& production). GFK (a market research group similar to nielsan in Eu) lists HD DVD as 75% of HD SA players in europe; but in dual format movies BD outsells HD DVD 3:2. there is less of a variety of BD in europe atm but those that are out outsell the HD DVD version. now if this is an effect of the PS3 or simply HD DVD sales being distributed amongst more films; no1 really knows for sure. time will tell.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I was mainly referring to the part of the post which faulted him for not including CURRENT HD-DVD owners in his answer, which, we have both already determined, is redundant and ridiculous. So, can we move on now?



The other option would've been....?

I still don't see the humor in it. Maybe I'm just dead inside :(



You do realize that it would be impossible for BDA to regain Paramount/Dreamworks as they have already made a deal with HD-DVD.[/quote] yes i realize that. but that doesnt prevent the BDA from wooing warner into exclusivity or universal into dual format (however unlikely). for all the reporter knew some tidbit could have come loose and made him famous overnight (at least in networld).

the other option would have been like i said before; to just admit that atm theres no HD option (which albeit honest isnt exactly glowing). but the amount of BS is one of the things that led to such a backlash against sony last year. (& the resulting layoffs) suggesting upscaling a DVD as a substitute is suggesting people buy the movie twice. because if they were considering a HD version to begin w/ chances are they have/plan to have a HDTV to experience it on.

even a cryptic "we're working on that" would have been better than suggesting DVD as a replacement for a competing HD format. (as im sure every1 who owns either HD format knows)
 
[quote name='propeller_head']yes i realize that. but that doesnt prevent the BDA from wooing warner into exclusivity or universal into dual format (however unlikely). for all the reporter knew some tidbit could have come loose and made him famous overnight (at least in networld).[/QUOTE]

Of course, but to expect such an announcement from an interview, such as that, is a bit unreasonable. Generally these announcements are made where they will have the most impact. I still don't get your logic behind this. Last time I checked, BD did have more studios on board than HD-DVD, so, if anyone needs to 'woo' any more studios, it would be HD-DVD, don't you think?

[quote name='propeller_head']the other option would have been like i said before; to just admit that atm theres no HD option (which albeit honest isnt exactly glowing). but the amount of BS is one of the things that led to such a backlash against sony last year. (& the resulting layoffs) suggesting upscaling a DVD as a substitute is suggesting people buy the movie twice. because if they were considering a HD version to begin w/ chances are they have/plan to have a HDTV to experience it on.[/QUOTE]

Sure, that is one answer. An answer that wouldn't be as good for business as the answer they gave. And, something that isn't as good for business can ultimately lead to less profits, which can be appeased by layoffs (strange, seeing as how this is the same thing you are complaining about).

[quote name='propeller_head']even a cryptic "we're working on that" would have been better than suggesting DVD as a replacement for a competing HD format. (as im sure every1 who owns either HD format knows)[/QUOTE]

:rofl: That answer would've been complete BS (strange, seeing as how this is the same thing you are ALSO complaining about). You and I both know that.

I'm not sure what answer you were expecting:
"HD-DVD is your only option for hi-def." While the statement is completely true, that would've been outright idiotic of him to say.
"We're working on that." Out-right BS, seeing as how we know it is impossible for Paramount/Dreamworks movies to show up on BD anytime during the next-year.
..so, what answer does that leave?
 
[quote name='dpatel']Of course, but to expect such an announcement from an interview, such as that, is a bit unreasonable. Generally these announcements are made where they will have the most impact. I still don't get your logic behind this. Last time I checked, BD did have more studios on board than HD-DVD, so, if anyone needs to 'woo' any more studios, it would be HD-DVD, don't you think?



Sure, that is one answer. An answer that wouldn't be as good for business as the answer they gave. And, something that isn't as good for business can ultimately lead to less profits, which can be appeased by layoffs (strange, seeing as how this is the same thing you are complaining about).



:rofl: That answer would've been complete BS (strange, seeing as how this is the same thing you are ALSO complaining about). You and I both know that.

I'm not sure what answer you were expecting:
"HD-DVD is your only option for hi-def." While the statement is completely true, that would've been outright idiotic of him to say.
"We're working on that." Out-right BS, seeing as how we know it is impossible for Paramount/Dreamworks movies to show up on BD anytime during the next-year.
..so, what answer does that leave?[/quote] i doubt he expected it. he certainly didnt directly ask that, but im sure he would have been giddy if thats what he got. an announcement, no. thats what press releases are for. i was talking about a tidbit slip; the things rumours are built on. & i didnt say they NEEDED to woo, i just gave that as an example of a tidbit of info that would have made the reporters year.

tell that mr karakkar who had to learn the hard way. you want good press; dont treat them like idiots.

no BS is straight out lying. 4D, doesnt start till we say it does, dont consider them competition, just a novelty, the wars over, etc.. declarational statements that are just over the top exaggerations is what i was referring to as BS. "we're working on that", if thats BS then they're not doing a very good job.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']i doubt he expected it. he certainly didnt directly ask that, but im sure he would have been giddy if thats what he got. an announcement, no. thats what press releases are for. i was talking about a tidbit slip; the things rumours are built on. & i didnt say they NEEDED to woo, i just gave that as an example of a tidbit of info that would have made the reporters year.[/QUOTE]

It's a fine example, but really has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. You faulted BDA for not responding to HD-DVDs move (when, in fact, by my count, HD-DVD should be the ones responding even moreso then they have), and you faulted BDA for not making some sort of response right then and there (during an INTERVIEW, of all places).

[quote name='propeller_head']tell that mr karakkar who had to learn the hard way. you want good press; dont treat them like idiots.

no BS is straight out lying. 4D, doesnt start till we say it does, dont consider them competition, just a novelty, the wars over, etc.. declarational statements that are just over the top exaggerations is what i was referring to as BS. "we're working on that", if thats BS then they're not doing a very good job.[/QUOTE]

BS doesn't have to be over the top and exaggerated. I'm not exactly sure how that answer is better than the one that was given. "We're working on that" basically states that they are doing something, we both know, is impossible.
 
I am going to agree with everyone else here, the question asked "How are consumers going to deal with the Paramount/Dreamworks Shift?" Why the hell wouldn't he assume that he meant Blu-ray owners who can no longer buy those movies? Especially when they are talking about Blu-ray? Also, if you don't own HD-DVD or Blu-ray, what you say is 99% of the population, than the shift doesn't mean a thing to you. What do you want him to say as a Blu-ray supporter "If you have DVD and want to upgrade to HI-Def, but only want to see Transformers this year, then buy HD-DVD." Your just trying to cause trouble and read everything the wrong way.
 
[quote name='dpatel']It's a fine example, but really has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. You faulted BDA for not responding to HD-DVDs move (when, in fact, by my count, HD-DVD should be the ones responding even moreso then they have), and you faulted BDA for not making some sort of response right then and there (during an INTERVIEW, of all places).



BS doesn't have to be over the top and exaggerated. I'm not exactly sure how that answer is better than the one that was given. "We're working on that" basically states that they are doing something, we both know, is impossible.[/quote]
how does it have nothing to do w/ the discussion. the whole argument made earlier was that the reporter was referring to only blu-ray supporters; i was trying to account for why that isnt the case. i said nothing about the BDA or HD DVD forum doing anything. i was referring to the BDA PR abettor's choice of words.

and nothing is impossible. if viacom really wanted out im sure they could get out. but i wasnt referring directly to that so much as the ostensible choice of no choice he provided. in the sense of; if you dont have something good to say, dont say anything at all. there are ways of being positive w/o actually being explicit; especially in the PR world (thats what it revolves around).
 
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