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55:45 for week
64:36 for year
60:40 since inception

1. Transformers HD DVD 100.00
2. Heroes Season 1 HD DVD 47.91
3. Meet the Robinsons BD 44.88
4. Mr. Brooks BD 14.41
5. Hostel Part II BD 13.65
6. PotC: DMC BD 13.01
7. 300 HD 12.05
8. PotC CBP BD 11.61
9. 300 BD 11.26
10. Planet Earth HD 11.22

xx 2001 A Space Odyssey HD DVD 10.51
xx 2001 A Space Odyssey BD 10.40
xx Planet Earth BD 6.47
 
So next week for BD is:

Ratatouille (yes)
Cars (yes)
Pixar Shorts Collection (yes)
Oldboy (a strong maybe)
A Bridge Too Far (yes)
The Battle of Britain (yes)
(and others I'm not interested in)

I'll probably pick up both Ratatouille and A Bridge Too Far first.
Then work on the others.

[quote name='linkinprime']Sweet...Transformers still kicking all kinds of ass![/quote]Well duh.

It will be unseated by Spiderman 3 for top spot next week.
But that's just how these things work with Blockbuster releases.

I'm just sad to see no Kubrick films in the top 10, just a lot of shit. (save for Planet Earth)
 
[quote name='Sarang01']I would argue the average PS3 owner would be worse. The A2's are being bought expressely to watch movies unlike the PS3.[/quote]
Ohh, we know the average PS3 owner is worse, hence why the attach rate isn't THAT Great at the moment. However, my point is, people are going to buy the A2 as A. Either 2nd HD-DVD player, or B. The non-HD fanatics who aren't going to by a ton of movies at the moment because of how expensive they are, Which will drop the attach rate advantage substantially. And my friend brought up a good point, do you think the mass public is going to by this player when they find out they can't buy Disney movies for their kids? I don't.
 
[quote name='dallow']I'm just sad to see no Kubrick films in the top 10, just a lot of shit. (save for Planet Earth)[/QUOTE]

Eh, Norbit, dude. Norbit. I did my part, as I bought A Clockwork Orange and The Shining. I'm very pleased with both.

Oldboy next week? Ooh, how could I have missed that!?!?! Guess I'm getting something else in addition to Ratatouille.

As for the marketshare/top 10, I expected it to be closer than that, due to Transformers, the (sad ;)) Heroes DVD giveaway, and BR consumer exhaustion from the BOGO.

What's damned surprising is that both POTC movies are still up there, even after the BOGO ended. Likewise with Planet Earth HD DVD (which hasn't been on sale at all, I believe).

The next two weeks will be 70/30, I believe. Transformers can't keep selling like it is unless everyone buys two.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']And my friend brought up a good point, do you think the mass public is going to by this player when they find out they can't buy Disney movies for their kids? I don't.[/QUOTE]

Considering it does play DVDs, the kids will still have only DVD players in their room/car and the fact most people look at HD as only decent improvement for a higher price, yeah I don't think it will be as big of a deal as you think.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Let me be quite clear: HD DVD ain't Mary Stuary Masterson, Blu-Ray ain't Jennifer Lea, and this ain't Some Kind of Wonderful. HD DVD has to start making more money for Warner, as that's about the only thing it's motivated by. And, in order for Warner to really go HD exclusive, they have to catch up to Blu-Ray's sales (which involved the unenviable task of *doubling* HD DVD sales), as well as surpassing BR sales (which involves the even more unenviable and pretty bloody unlikely by the end of this holiday season) task of *surpassing* Blu-Ray sales. If you think that's possible, then I got a bridge to sell ya.[/quote]

Actually, it was Lea Thompson that starred with Mary Stuart Masterson in "Some Kind of Wonderful". But I do like your analogy...
 
It is interesting to note that all 3 neutral titles that made the top 10 sold better on HD DVD--for the first time ever. YTD moved one point two weeks in a row for the first time this year, and YTD and SI both moved in the same week for the first time ever.
 
[quote name='geko29']It is interesting to note that all 3 neutral titles that made the top 10 sold better on HD DVD--for the first time ever. YTD moved one point two weeks in a row for the first time this year, and YTD and SI both moved in the same week for the first time ever.[/quote]Well 300 was probably because of the giveaway with the add-on. So it was a boost.
2001 is too close.

Planet Earth, well, good for HD DVD. :)

I think the biggest week will be when Harry Potter is released.
Warner will be closely watching.
 
[quote name='dallow']Well 300 was probably because of the giveaway with the add-on. So it was a boost.
2001 is too close.

Planet Earth, well, good for HD DVD. :)

I think the biggest week will be when Harry Potter is released.
Warner will be closely watching.[/QUOTE]


I would argue that there is more to watch than just Transfomers on Blu ray. Blu ray has more actually movies, where HD DVD settle for documentaries. :D

Also, the Best Buy fiasco where you could get box sets for free didn't hurt.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']I would argue that there is more to watch than just Transfomers on Blu ray. Blu ray has more actually movies, where HD DVD settle for documentaries. :D

Also, the Best Buy fiasco where you could get box sets for free didn't hurt.[/quote]Yeah, Heroes was a good deal for nothing.
 
[quote name='dallow']Well 300 was probably because of the giveaway with the add-on. So it was a boost.
2001 is too close.

Planet Earth, well, good for HD DVD. :)[/quote]
Shouldn't 2001 have been 2:1 in favor of Blu-Ray, rather than "too close"? That's what we've been lead to believe should be the sales ratio for all neutral titles (except Planet Earth). :p
 
[quote name='geko29']Shouldn't 2001 have been 2:1 in favor of Blu-Ray, rather than "too close"? That's what we've been lead to believe should be the sales ratio for all neutral titles (except Planet Earth). :p[/quote]"HardCore" Gamers don't like intellectual movies? :)

Let's just wait for Harry Potter.
I won't be buying a copy, so someone buy 2.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']Actually, it was Lea Thompson that starred with Mary Stuart Masterson in "Some Kind of Wonderful". But I do like your analogy...[/QUOTE]

Ah, you are correct. Jennifer Lea was the cat from "Dirty Dancing," then (if I'm even getting *that* right).

EDIT: Oh hell, it was Jennifer Grey. Jennifer Lea isn't even a person. Crap - I've turned into my father in law.

EDIT2: Outside of Planet Earth, I'm not sure there appears to be any statistical significance between the number of copies of 300 and 2001 sold on both formats. Now, to be sure, they clearly sold more on HD DVD...but if that's by a couple dozen copies at best, it's not all it's cracked up to be. As for Planet Earth, I'm not so sure. I'm usually VERY reluctant to make a claim that suggests CAG viewers and FW/SD folks spread so far and wide that they had such a substantial impact on the gap b/w BR and HD. They surely had *some*, but I don't believe it's all that much.

I find it fascinating that the marketshares are so tenuous that week after week of BR dominance did little to shift the YTD and SI measures, but two weeks of close calls have shifted them each 1 point (2 overall for YTD, I think). Perhaps it was the volume of the past two weeks combined...
 
Sweet.. didn't expect an oldboy release on BD so soon. Doesn't seem like a typical hi-def release since it doesn't have the mainstream appeal of 99% of the other films being released.

Wondering if its worth rebuying on BD though. The movie, while great, isn't what I would consider very 'visually appealing', so upscaled DVD might be okay.
 
picked up big lebowski, blue planet (was marked 14.99 rang up 19.99 and they adjusted it), slevin, and pulse

one walmart had only lebowski

other one had almost every title on the list

they just kinda merged the blu ray and hd section at both of them tho, the section was labeled blu ray but it was in random order, not by abc or different formats

overall tho they only had like 15 unique movies between both formats so really don't matter much
 
I want to check out the super ghetto Walmart here.
They've never had any HD titles, a section, or players. (other than PS3)
 
Of course they had to go and delay the two classic films days before they're due to be released..... afjalksfjaklfj

Guess I'll get Ratatouille and Cars.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']They're getting the A3 for $99!?!?!?![/quote]
Dear Valued Best Buy Customer,
You are receiving this email because you recently ordered a Toshiba HD DVD Player (model # HD-A2) from www.bestbuy.com and your order was placed in a backorder status while we awaited additional inventory. Unfortunately, the manufacturer has discontinued this item and we are not anticipating receiving any more inventory.

Because we value your business, we will be fulfilling your order with the next generation Toshiba HD DVD Player (model # HD-A3) that is replacing the HD-A2 in Toshiba's lineup of HD DVD Players. There is no need for you to do anything to receive this upgraded model. We will simply fulfill your original order and your packing slip will be updated to show you received the HD-A3 and serve as your order receipt.

If you are not interested in receiving the Toshiba HD-A3 as a replacement for the discontinued HD-A2, you may return the unopened item to your nearest Best Buy store or simply contact one of our Customer Service Representatives at (888)-BestBuy for more information about how to return the product for a complete refund.

Please accept our apology for any inconvenience. We look forward to your next visit to Best Buy.

Sincerely,
Best Buy Customer Care
 
[quote name='dallow']Well 300 was probably because of the giveaway with the add-on. So it was a boost.
2001 is too close.

Planet Earth, well, good for HD DVD. :)

I think the biggest week will be when Harry Potter is released.
Warner will be closely watching.[/QUOTE]

So giveaways are counted as sales ?
 
[quote name='dallow']Dear Valued Best Buy Customer,
You are receiving this email because you recently ordered a Toshiba HD DVD Player (model # HD-A2) from www.bestbuy.com and your order was placed in a backorder status while we awaited additional inventory. Unfortunately, the manufacturer has discontinued this item and we are not anticipating receiving any more inventory.

Because we value your business, we will be fulfilling your order with the next generation Toshiba HD DVD Player (model # HD-A3) that is replacing the HD-A2 in Toshiba's lineup of HD DVD Players. There is no need for you to do anything to receive this upgraded model. We will simply fulfill your original order and your packing slip will be updated to show you received the HD-A3 and serve as your order receipt.

If you are not interested in receiving the Toshiba HD-A3 as a replacement for the discontinued HD-A2, you may return the unopened item to your nearest Best Buy store or simply contact one of our Customer Service Representatives at (888)-BestBuy for more information about how to return the product for a complete refund.

Please accept our apology for any inconvenience. We look forward to your next visit to Best Buy.

Sincerely,
Best Buy Customer Care[/quote]
Yeah, I missed out on this since I got in on the in-store pick up deal, though I was able to convice a friend of mine who's currently pro Blu-Ray to go neutral and buy it off of me at cost with 2 free HD DVD's, he wanted King Kong, so I'll give him my sealed copy from my X360 HD DVD player and I'll pick up something else for myself. I also decided to get the A3 with 300, Bourne Identity, + 2 Free (Shrek The Third, & Old School) + I'll get in on the 5 free movies via rebate!

Oh, and for those who got the free upgrade at Best Buy, they were denied the additional 2 free HD DVD's but I'm pretty sure no one minded, after all, they got the A3 for $99.
 
[quote name='Richlough']So giveaways are counted as sales ?[/QUOTE]

Depends. Like the BR BOGO, each item had a nonzero price on the receipt, so you were "paying" for the item. With the Heroes/360 promotion, I believe that Heroes rang up at MSRP, and the Addon was the difference b/w the Heroes price and the Addon retail ($175 less whatever Heroes cost).

Giving away 300 in the A3 box, or Spiderman 3 in the PS3 box...those don't count. Nor do giveaways sold at $0.00. If it's 1 cent or higher on the receipt, it counts as a sale. At least I think so.
 
[quote name='dallow']Well 300 was probably because of the giveaway with the add-on. So it was a boost.
2001 is too close.

Planet Earth, well, good for HD DVD. :)

I think the biggest week will be when Harry Potter is released.
Warner will be closely watching.[/QUOTE]

300 was not given away with the AO, it was Heroes.
Customers had a choice of 300+ HD DVD movies to choose from and I doubt 300 was the main pick (Transformers was I'm sure)
 
[quote name='Richlough']So giveaways are counted as sales ?[/QUOTE]

Only item that are scanned and removed from the stores inventory count.
 
[quote name='dallow']55:45 for week
64:36 for year
60:40 since inception

1. Transformers HD DVD 100.00
2. Heroes Season 1 HD DVD 47.91
3. Meet the Robinsons BD 44.88
4. Mr. Brooks BD 14.41
5. Hostel Part II BD 13.65
6. PotC: DMC BD 13.01
7. 300 HD 12.05
8. PotC CBP BD 11.61
9. 300 BD 11.26
10. Planet Earth HD 11.22

xx 2001 A Space Odyssey HD DVD 10.51
xx 2001 A Space Odyssey BD 10.40
xx Planet Earth BD 6.47[/QUOTE]

HD DVD continues to close the gap. I'm sure Disney is not too please with the low sales of Meet the Robinsons considering it was advertised as "Exclusive to Blu-ray" in several ads. Estimates are around 13k sold for that title.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']HD DVD continues to close the gap.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Just like John Kerry closed the gap Bush had over him for roughly a period of two weeks, no?

I didn't know that two whole weeks were a staggering trend when they ran counter to the 40+ that preceded it. :lol:

Good night, I'm goin' drinkin'.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol:

Just like John Kerry closed the gap Bush had over him for roughly a period of two weeks, no?

I didn't know that two whole weeks were a staggering trend when they ran counter to the 40+ that preceded it. :lol:

Good night, I'm goin' drinkin'.[/QUOTE]

WCW Nitro had better ratings then WWF Raw 84 continuous weeks in a row and we all know that ended
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[quote name='mykevermin']:lol:

Just like John Kerry closed the gap Bush had over him for roughly a period of two weeks, no?

I didn't know that two whole weeks were a staggering trend when they ran counter to the 40+ that preceded it. :lol:

Good night, I'm goin' drinkin'.[/QUOTE]

These Nielsens are now pretty pointless. If Wal-Mart starts selling these A2's for $99 on a frequent basis, and people start buying HD DVDs there (and they are, by the handfuls as my Wal-Mart was picked clean of EVERYTHING when I went at noon), these results will not include Wal-mart.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']HD DVD continues to close the gap. I'm sure Disney is not too please with the low sales of Meet the Robinsons considering it was advertised as "Exclusive to Blu-ray" in several ads. Estimates are around 13k sold for that title.[/QUOTE]

Well, if I'm reading those numbers correctly (which I possibly could be way wrong, as they are pretty confusing to me), Meet the Robinsons should've sold about half of what Transformers sold (44% as much, to be exact).
 
[quote name='Sporadic']WCW Nitro had better ratings then WWF Raw 84 continuous weeks in a row and we all know that ended
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No, actually I don't.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Well, if I'm reading those numbers correctly (which I possibly could be way wrong, as they are pretty confusing to me), Meet the Robinsons should've sold about half of what Transformers sold (44% as much, to be exact).[/QUOTE]

Correct, and Transformers sold an estimated 30k copies.
So a little bit less then half would be about 13k.
 
[quote name='b3b0p']No, actually I don't.[/QUOTE]

I was insulting Myke with his own broken logic of stupid analogies but if you really want to know...WCW Nitro beat WWF Raw in the rating war 84 continuous weeks in a row before falling apart over the next two years eventually being bought by the WWF.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Correct, and Transformers sold an estimated 30k copies.
So a little bit less then half would be about 13k.[/QUOTE]

Wait, seriously? 30K? Is this excluding something?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I was insulting Myke with his own broken logic of stupid analogies but if you really want to know...WCW Nitro beat WWF Raw in the rating war 84 continuous weeks in a row before falling apart over the next two years eventually being bought by the WWF.[/QUOTE]

There's no way he didn't understand that .:booty:
I knew what you were talking about and I haven't watched wrestling since 5th grade [Wrestliemania 2-ish era] .
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I was insulting Myke with his own broken logic of stupid analogies but if you really want to know...WCW Nitro beat WWF Raw in the rating war 84 continuous weeks in a row before falling apart over the next two years eventually being bought by the WWF.[/QUOTE]

Using your logic, I guess HD buying up Paramount could be equated with WCW bringing in Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. Short term reward that couldn't reap long term benefits.


Also I love Wal-Mart. I went to 3 searching with my friend for some more of the DVD's they had on sale and just looking to see if any A2's remained, and all of them had more Blu Ray movies than HD movies (the first one I went to was almost evenly split). Anyone who bought an HD-DVD player at Briar Creek got to choose from 5 movies (in comparison they had like 40 blu ray movies to choose from). The attach rate from these players has to be an absolute joke.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']These Nielsens are now pretty pointless. If Wal-Mart starts selling these A2's for $99 on a frequent basis, and people start buying HD DVDs there (and they are, by the handfuls as my Wal-Mart was picked clean of EVERYTHING when I went at noon), these results will not include Wal-mart.[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily, seeing at how the weekly numbers folks cite come from *estimates* of overall sales, even if the data only come from most non-WM sources. Seeing as how BB and even CC are in the cheap A2 act (and shame on you HD DVD prats for promoting shopping at CC! How un-CAG of you!), I think that valid and reliable estimates come from the Nielsens, WM or no WM.

Moreover, seeing as how recent research showed that WM didn't even register on the radar in terms of overall hidef disc sales, you are sorely overestimating the importance of WM in the marketplace (like you overestimated TF, and the Matrix trilogy, and $299 HD DVD players, and so on, ad naueum). Your precious (and useless) Amazon sales rankings are more relevant than WM's sales at this point. *Will* Wal-Mart become important? You bet. They account for 20-25% of all consumer transactions in the US. That's well known. But they, for now, don't mean shit in terms of hidef disc sales.

[quote name='Sporadic']I was insulting Myke with his own broken logic of stupid analogies but if you really want to know...WCW Nitro beat WWF Raw in the rating war 84 continuous weeks in a row before falling apart over the next two years eventually being bought by the WWF.[/QUOTE]

You use that analogy like it's relevant. Did Raw suddenly decide to offer itself at a bargain basement price that led to their market dominance? ;)

Moreover, seeing what WWE has done to pro wrestling on TV, do you *want* to see your analogy come full circle yet again? ;)

I was merely pointing out, yet again, that HD DVD has to sell twice as many discs as BR has thus far in order to achieve 50/50 parity with Blu-Ray (assuming no more BR discs get sold ever, of course). If you want to turn this into an analogy war, so be it. But that's merely obfuscating the fact that HD DVD has a substantial uphill battle to fight, and given the remaining (2? Shrek and Bourne?) big releases that HD DVD has going for it compared to the large number of big-time BR titles (Pixar's releases, Spiderman, POTC, Superbad, etc.), thinking that the gap will be narrowed by the end of this year is an exercise in extreme cognitive dissonance. Sleep tight!
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I was insulting Myke with his own broken logic of stupid analogies but if you really want to know...WCW Nitro beat WWF Raw in the rating war 84 continuous weeks in a row before falling apart over the next two years eventually being bought by the WWF.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, I was making the assumption that it is was something like this.

I think the last time I watched wrestling was WrestleMania III or something like that.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Wait, seriously? 30K? Is this excluding something?[/QUOTE]

Its estimated from the sources that Nielsens uses. Thats Best Buy, Circuit City, Frys, and Amazon IIRC. Wal-Mart is not counted.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Not necessarily, seeing at how the weekly numbers folks cite come from *estimates* of overall sales, even if the data only come from most non-WM sources. Seeing as how BB and even CC are in the cheap A2 act (and shame on you HD DVD prats for promoting shopping at CC! How un-CAG of you!), I think that valid and reliable estimates come from the Nielsens, WM or no WM.

Moreover, seeing as how recent research showed that WM didn't even register on the radar in terms of overall hidef disc sales, you are sorely overestimating the importance of WM in the marketplace (like you overestimated TF, and the Matrix trilogy, and $299 HD DVD players, and so on, ad naueum). Your precious (and useless) Amazon sales rankings are more relevant than WM's sales at this point. *Will* Wal-Mart become important? You bet. They account for 20-25% of all consumer transactions in the US. That's well known. But they, for now, don't mean shit in terms of hidef disc sales.[/QUOTE]

The fact that Wal-Mart just sold 60k-100k HD DVD players and had discs for $15 (with people buying handfuls) would make a gigantic dent in the numbers for Spider-Man 3 week. If Wal-Mart continues these sales...yes, it makes the Nielsen numbers pointless. At this point its for the Blu-boys to brag, its really the studios who see exactly how many copies are sold. If Warner sees that Wal-Mart sold 100k copies of of their catalog titles no one is buying at any other store, it may in fact influence them to make a decision.
 
What you're saying is, then, is that you not only believe that the Nielsen numbers are invalid, unreliable, and unbelievable...but also that you know better than the Nielsen folks?

Jesus.
 
Gizmo, you DO realize that even if 200,000 discs were sold at WM during friday's sale (and I wouldn't dare to dream that they sold anywhere near half that much), that it wouldn't make a lick of difference in the Nielsen numbers, right?

Blu-Ray could still win the week 80:20 even if Wal-Mart sold twice as many $14.95 HD DVDs as all stores combined sold of Spider Man 3.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What you're saying is, then, is that you not only believe that the Nielsen numbers are invalid, unreliable, and unbelievable...but also that you know better than the Nielsen folks?

Jesus.[/QUOTE]

Correct. I can understand that you as a 100% Blu-ray supporter would feel their numbers are valid, but when they don't get numbers from all sources, especially one that just allowed a format to gain 20-25% more HD DVD owners, I, as well as many others, find them to be invalid, especially after Friday.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Using your logic, I guess HD buying up Paramount could be equated with WCW bringing in Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. Short term reward that couldn't reap long term benefits. [/QUOTE]

I'd like to imagine Paramount as The Radicalz instead of The Outsiders. ;)
 
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