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did you see Mirabelli interview after the game. Talking about driving 100mph in the police car, buck naked. Going on how he never thought that would happen unless he ended up in jail.

As for arroyo, he is going to be like derek lowe was last year with the dodgers. Great start, but once teams get used to his pitches/style, he is going to be about a .500 pitcher.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']did you see Mirabelli interview after the game. Talking about driving 100mph in the police car, buck naked. Going on how he never thought that would happen unless he ended up in jail.

As for arroyo, he is going to be like derek lowe was last year with the dodgers. Great start, but once teams get used to his pitches/style, he is going to be about a .500 pitcher.[/quote]

Or he could end up being like Pedro and be good the entire year. It could happen.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Or he could end up being like Pedro and be good the entire year. It could happen.[/quote]

your fucking kidding me right? Bronson Arroyo, who the sox got because the pathetic pirates didn't want him anymore. Bronson Arroyo who had over a 5.00 era after mid may. He is what he is, a avg back of the rotation guy on a contending team. He was highly over rated by fans here, as he is a great guy/team player and then toss in his music career behind fenway park and fans loved him. Career stats aren't that great, he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentance as pedro, unless you are stating something along the lines of the mets powered by pedro, destroyed the reds and arroyo.



He won't be pedro, might be 16 - 12 this year, but imo that will be a stretch. Once the rest of the NL has played him, they will kill him, and opponents ba will be around .270, or so, like he was last year for the sox around .265.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']your fucking kidding me right? Bronson Arroyo, who the sox got because the pathetic pirates didn't want him anymore. Bronson Arroyo who had over a 5.00 era after mid may. He is what he is, a avg back of the rotation guy on a contending team. He was highly over rated by fans here, as he is a great guy/team player and then toss in his music career behind fenway park and fans loved him. Career stats aren't that great, he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentance as pedro, unless you are stating something along the lines of the mets powered by pedro, destroyed the reds and arroyo.



He won't be pedro, might be 16 - 12 this year, but imo that will be a stretch. Once the rest of the NL has played him, they will kill him, and opponents ba will be around .270, or so, like he was last year for the sox around .265.[/quote]

To each his own. I think the lack of pressure put on Arroyo will make a lot of difference. No one really gives a damn about the Reds, other than their fans (which aren't as diehard as BoSox fans). You never know how someone is going to be in a full season until the season is over.

You can't honestly tell me that you can see the future and you know Arroyo will fail, and likewise for me, I can't see the future and tell you he won't. Thats whats so great about this game, a guy could be a sap on one team and go to another team and be a star and vise versa (hate to say it but Ken Griffey Jr until the glimmer of hope he brought last year).
 
[quote name='ryanbph']your fucking kidding me right? Bronson Arroyo, who the sox got because the pathetic pirates didn't want him anymore. Bronson Arroyo who had over a 5.00 era after mid may. He is what he is, a avg back of the rotation guy on a contending team. He was highly over rated by fans here, as he is a great guy/team player and then toss in his music career behind fenway park and fans loved him. Career stats aren't that great, he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentance as pedro, unless you are stating something along the lines of the mets powered by pedro, destroyed the reds and arroyo.[/QUOTE]
I would agree for the most part, but the NL is pathetic, its like being sent down to AAAA.
 
Well I did say he could go 16 - 12, which is a very decent record. But you can't tell me on a world series team he should be a #2 starter.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Well I did say he could go 16 - 12, which is a very decent record. But you can't tell me on a world series team he should be a #2 starter.[/quote]

I hope the Reds and him do well, so I don't have to hear about the Cards and Cubs all summer. I'll just be like look at the standings, thats right Cincinatti is on top of both of them.

It depends what World Series team you are, small market, then yeah. Large market, no because you have the money to get better arms.

Arroyo is a workhorse, and I think he'll bust his ass to prove Boston gave up too soon on him. Thats just my personal opinion.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Or he could end up being like Pedro and be good the entire year. It could happen.[/QUOTE]

No, he couldn't. He has a career ERA over over 4.50, he'd never had an ERA under 4.00 during a "full" season, and he's just not that good of a pitcher.

The Reds will come back down to Earth. This isn't the first time that they've started off well. For instance, they were 10 games over .500 in June of 2004...
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']No, he couldn't. He has a career ERA over over 4.50, he'd never had an ERA under 4.00 during a "full" season, and he's just not that good of a pitcher.

The Reds will come back down to Earth. This isn't the first time that they've started off well. For instance, they were 10 games over .500 in June of 2004...[/quote]


Sure Perdo is great, but to say someone has no shot at having an outstanding year, is a little too much. AJ Burnett? Shawn Chacon? Aaron Small? Why not let Bronson have a great year, then go back to mediocrity?

Sure he has a high career ERA, great. Does that mean he can't have a season under 4.00? No it doesn't. I'm not saying he is going to win the Cy Young any time soon, I'm just saying he is crapped on too much.

Sure the Reds will come back down to Earth, but this is their best season start in franchise history. Even better than any of the teams during the Big Red Machine era. This team shouldn't be taken lightly though, thats for sure.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Sure Perdo is great, but to say someone has no shot at having an outstanding year, is a little too much. AJ Burnett? Shawn Chacon? Aaron Small? Why not let Bronson have a great year, then go back to mediocrity?[/quote]

A.J. Burnett's stuff is second-to-none. I encourage you to look at his numbers before last season:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4153 (note that in 2003 he only pitched like 20 innings)

His problem has always been staying healthy. Did you know he threw a no-hitter while walking 9 batters?


As for Chacon and Small... the sample size wasn't large enough to put much stock into. They both pitched less than 80 innings with the Yanks. That's what, a little over a third of a season?


[quote name='craven_fiend']Sure he has a high career ERA, great. Does that mean he can't have a season under 4.00? No it doesn't. I'm not saying he is going to win the Cy Young any time soon, I'm just saying he is crapped on too much.[/QUOTE]

But that's really not what we're talking about. You suggested that Arroyo -- like Pedro -- may be able to keep this up the whole year. A sub-4.00 ERA? Sure. Players like Jason Marquis and Jeff Suppan do that. It's not really an outstanding year so much as it is a solid one.

His ERA will be a run and a half higher at the very least before the year is done.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Sure Perdo is great, but to say someone has no shot at having an outstanding year, is a little too much. AJ Burnett? Shawn Chacon? Aaron Small? Why not let Bronson have a great year, then go back to mediocrity?

Sure he has a high career ERA, great. Does that mean he can't have a season under 4.00? No it doesn't. I'm not saying he is going to win the Cy Young any time soon, I'm just saying he is crapped on too much.

Sure the Reds will come back down to Earth, but this is their best season start in franchise history. Even better than any of the teams during the Big Red Machine era. This team shouldn't be taken lightly though, thats for sure.[/quote]
I dunno where you live, but here in Boston, the fans and some of the media are dumping on the sox for trading bronson for willie mo. While I am no huge fan of willie mo, he is 24, a lot of potential and just needs the time to develop as the past couple years he has been fucked out of ab's due to not being able to be sent down the double or triple a. Arroyo, in Boston wasn't going to get much better, and I personally didn't like the fact that before/after a game he pitched in fenway, he was performing at a club behind fenway. His music was worse then his career mlb numbers, and imo he fucked us last year. They were paying him to work 3/4 a year on baseball, and concentrating so much on his music career imo affected his concentration and effort on baseball. I listen to weei daily at work, and if I hear another fan call in about how great bronson is, with his solid record so far, I think I may loose it. The same shit happened last year when derek lowe started the season. He was dominant the first 7 or 8 games for the dodgers last year, and then he came back down to reality. I don't get the Aj Burnett argument, he is a career below .500 pitcher. Yes he has great stuff, but so doesn't matt clement and just because the have great stuff, it doesn't mean they will be great pitchers. Look at maddux, or oreal hershiers they both lived off of pitching to the glove. Not great stuff, just accurate.
 
Even if Arroyo's ERA is 4.50 by the end of the year, the Reds average close to 6 runs a game, so if I'm doing my math correctly there that means that he should keep on winning.

People apparently don't realize just how bad our pitching in Cincy has been. If we could manage a team ERA of under 6.00 we would be a winning team.

I don't expect them to make the playoffs this year, but I'd be happy to just see them finish above .500 again. Heck, if they can trade Griffey for another one of these 3-5 starters from the big money teams, they just might be able to stay in the race for most of the year.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I dunno where you live, but here in Boston, the fans and some of the media are dumping on the sox for trading bronson for willie mo. While I am no huge fan of willie mo, he is 24, a lot of potential and just needs the time to develop as the past couple years he has been fucked out of ab's due to not being able to be sent down the double or triple a.[/QUOTE]
Pena has a lot more upside than Arroyo, he'd be a top prospect if he weren't out of options. I just wish they traded Wells when they had the chance.

Assuming Wells is done, they need a reliever so they can put Papelbon back in the rotation. Foulke can close. Papelbon is much more valuable as a starter.
 
well hopefully delcarmen will settle down (his 2 outings so far have fucked my fantasy team) and craig hansen was very dominat in his starting every other day and pitching 3inn in double a. I know he was brought up to triple a last week so time, but haven't heard anything.
 
hahahaha... oh Barry...

my brother called and told me it's on ESPN has some footage of this as well. Can't wait to see it!

EPSN:

MILWAUKEE -- Barry Bonds was dazed after being hit by a ball during batting practice before the Giants' game Wednesday night against the Brewers at Miller Park.

Bonds was leaning against the batting cage when a ball hit by Giants infielder Kevin Frandsen was caught by netting covering the batting cage, then struck Bonds in the forehead.

Bonds appeared to be stunned immediately after being struck, then laid down on the ground for several minutes while being attended to by the team's medical staff. He got back up, then took his regular turn in the batting cage.

Bonds, escorted by security, went back into the clubhouse after hitting.

Giants spokesman Matt Hodson said Bonds was deemed to be OK after being examined and was still in the lineup.
 
[quote name='FFMooglestar']hahahaha... oh Barry...

my brother called and told me it's on ESPN has some footage of this as well. Can't wait to see it!

EPSN:

MILWAUKEE -- Barry Bonds was dazed after being hit by a ball during batting practice before the Giants' game Wednesday night against the Brewers at Miller Park.

Bonds was leaning against the batting cage when a ball hit by Giants infielder Kevin Frandsen was caught by netting covering the batting cage, then struck Bonds in the forehead.

Bonds appeared to be stunned immediately after being struck, then laid down on the ground for several minutes while being attended to by the team's medical staff. He got back up, then took his regular turn in the batting cage.

Bonds, escorted by security, went back into the clubhouse after hitting.

Giants spokesman Matt Hodson said Bonds was deemed to be OK after being examined and was still in the lineup.[/quote]

Haha?
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I dunno where you live, but here in Boston, the fans and some of the media are dumping on the sox for trading bronson for willie mo. While I am no huge fan of willie mo, he is 24, a lot of potential and just needs the time to develop as the past couple years he has been fucked out of ab's due to not being able to be sent down the double or triple a. Arroyo, in Boston wasn't going to get much better, and I personally didn't like the fact that before/after a game he pitched in fenway, he was performing at a club behind fenway. His music was worse then his career mlb numbers, and imo he fucked us last year. They were paying him to work 3/4 a year on baseball, and concentrating so much on his music career imo affected his concentration and effort on baseball. I listen to weei daily at work, and if I hear another fan call in about how great bronson is, with his solid record so far, I think I may loose it. The same shit happened last year when derek lowe started the season. He was dominant the first 7 or 8 games for the dodgers last year, and then he came back down to reality. I don't get the Aj Burnett argument, he is a career below .500 pitcher. Yes he has great stuff, but so doesn't matt clement and just because the have great stuff, it doesn't mean they will be great pitchers. Look at maddux, or oreal hershiers they both lived off of pitching to the glove. Not great stuff, just accurate.[/quote]

I live in Indiana, so my take on people's reaction is limited to what I hear on ESPN, I know a terrible source but still.

I hope the trade works out well for both teams.

And like ship said, an ERA under 6 for the Reds, would be one hell of a year. Arroyo is already better than their big pitcher pick up last year was at this time. (Eric "HomeRun Derby Pitcher" Milton). So there was only one way to go with Arroyo, assuming he doesn't try to break Milton's team record.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I live in Indiana, so my take on people's reaction is limited to what I hear on ESPN, I know a terrible source but still.

I hope the trade works out well for both teams.

And like ship said, an ERA under 6 for the Reds, would be one hell of a year. Arroyo is already better than their big pitcher pick up last year was at this time. (Eric "HomeRun Derby Pitcher" Milton). So there was only one way to go with Arroyo, assuming he doesn't try to break Milton's team record.[/QUOTE]
WEEI is streamed on the internet, its good for having something in the background when you're doing something else, cleaning, etc. Just don't put it on before 10am or after midnight.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I live in Indiana, so my take on people's reaction is limited to what I hear on ESPN, I know a terrible source but still.

I hope the trade works out well for both teams.

And like ship said, an ERA under 6 for the Reds, would be one hell of a year. Arroyo is already better than their big pitcher pick up last year was at this time. (Eric "HomeRun Derby Pitcher" Milton). So there was only one way to go with Arroyo, assuming he doesn't try to break Milton's team record.[/QUOTE]


i couldnt even imagine arroyo doing this good...I think i remember watching Arroyo on Cold Pizza this past week and he even said it himself that since he had to face crazy lineups all the time that he couldnt get time to relax....and now in the nl its alot easier because many of the lineups are either weak or balanced...what a lucky guy..
 
[quote name='Warlock TCK']All I gotta say is Let's Go METS.[/quote]

QFT. Wagner blew another one - Pedro could have been 6-0. The Mets are playing decent right now but the middle of the order is slumping a bit. I think they could stand to get another starter if they seriously want to contend this year...
 
yeah fucking delgado better start hitting, all my fantasy league pitchers are on the DL (5 sp i have on the DL), I only with with offense, and he has been very weak the past week and a half
 
[quote name='ryanbph']yeah fucking delgado better start hitting, all my fantasy league pitchers are on the DL (5 sp i have on the DL), I only with with offense, and he has been very weak the past week and a half[/QUOTE]

Delgado is hitting real good right now...two base hits last night...

so how long you guys think it will take for bonds to tie/break ruth up? i give him a max 15 games..if he doesnt do it then than he is really finished.
 
I think Bonds is already finished. I think he is being impatient as he is trying to get to 714/715 while on the homestand. If he goes back to his patience, I think he has a shot to do it tonight (don't really care about Ruth's record) or in the next series. If he stays impatient, I don't see him passing Ruth for another few weeks.

And wow, this thread has really gone down hill.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I think Bonds is already finished. I think he is being impatient as he is trying to get to 714/715 while on the homestand. If he goes back to his patience, I think he has a shot to do it tonight (don't really care about Ruth's record) or in the next series. If he stays impatient, I don't see him passing Ruth for another few weeks.

And wow, this thread has really gone down hill.[/QUOTE]

yeah him hacking away at every pitch is very unbarry like...even pre steroided unbarry like...

yeah your telling me...im surprised no one posted about the Sox/Yanks series that just happend or the rowand catch or anything...i thought this thread would be up to there now hehe
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']yeah him hacking away at every pitch is very im surprised no one posted about the Sox/Yanks series that just happend [/QUOTE]

GO SOX!

*runs away*
 
[quote name='senorwoohoo']GO SOX!

*runs away*[/quote]

Hey, no need to fear, this topic is quite infested with those of us that are Sox fans. I like the fact that they've taken 3/4 in the first meetings. I hope it doesn't turn out like last year when they took the first half and then the Yankees took the second half (which had one more game).

Rain outs suck. Lets only play 2/3 of the game and call it.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I think Bonds is already finished. I think he is being impatient as he is trying to get to 714/715 while on the homestand. If he goes back to his patience, I think he has a shot to do it tonight (don't really care about Ruth's record) or in the next series. If he stays impatient, I don't see him passing Ruth for another few weeks.

And wow, this thread has really gone down hill.[/quote]

You're very right, Bonds when coming to records is very agressive. 500,600,Mays,700, and now Babe Ruth, he seems to want to just get it over with, about 5 AB's, he's attacked a pitch out of the zone because he wants to hit a homerun. Nonetheless, my Giants are 1 under, if we can maintain a .500 record till 50 games, and Cain, Morris start pitching like they should, shouldn't have a problem.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Nomar is really tearing it up lately. I knew he was going to be good and the Cubs have to be kicking themselves for letting him go[/QUOTE]

HIs problem isn't hitting, it's been staying healthy. I really hope he doesn't have some weird fluke injury again as he seems like a good guy.
 
[quote name='greendj27']HIs problem isn't hitting, it's been staying healthy. I really hope he doesn't have some weird fluke injury again as he seems like a good guy.[/QUOTE]

If Nomar stays healthy, comeback player of the year and one helluva signing by the Dodgers. And he will be inline for a huge raise next year.
 
[quote name='greendj27']HIs problem isn't hitting, it's been staying healthy. I really hope he doesn't have some weird fluke injury again as he seems like a good guy.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree, but the hand injury he had a few years ago severely messed up his hitting. Even when he was in the lineup he was not the same Nomar. I think the end of last year started the turn around because he was really good. Hopefully he can continue to play well

on a side note, please Cubs do something. You were playing great until Lee went down, and now are digging a hole that may be too much to get out of. Wood should be back this week so hopefully the confidence picks up and they can start a winning streak
 
The Jays sure look solid. As long as the pitching gets healthy and the hitting stays consistent, we should be in the playoffs. Anyway, I'll still be at a few more games.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']so who saw the Bonds HBP tonight? I was surprised at Bonds restraint i thought he woulda confronted springer...[/QUOTE]

I read about it and he hit him with a SLIDER. If he really wanted to hit him he would've threw a fastball. What a bitch Bonds is.
 
Should have beaned his ass in the head with a fastball. It was great earlier in the year when the Giants hit Kent, so the next inning, Bonds got drilled. To much of a puss to do anything about it.
 
I cannot believe the Yankees won last night...way to blow it, Texas.

Anyway, I think the Sox should make a clean sweep of the Orioles tonight, but we shall see.
 
[quote name='senorwoohoo']I cannot believe the Yankees won last night...way to blow it, Texas.

Anyway, I think the Sox should make a clean sweep of the Orioles tonight, but we shall see.[/quote]

They haven't lost a game to the O's in the last 14 they've played.
 
[quote name='vrs1650']Should have beaned his ass in the head with a fastball. It was great earlier in the year when the Giants hit Kent, so the next inning, Bonds got drilled. To much of a puss to do anything about it.[/quote]

Kent couldn't do much either, when he was laid the fuck out..haha.
 
[quote name='vrs1650']Should have beaned his ass in the head with a fastball. It was great earlier in the year when the Giants hit Kent, so the next inning, Bonds got drilled. To much of a puss to do anything about it.[/QUOTE]

yeah just the look on bonds face was enough for me...that guy had no expression on him which was surprising to me.

god i hate albert pujols.....the cards are ripping my mets up...dam ex met pitchers always beating us..
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']yeah just the look on bonds face was enough for me...that guy had no expression on him which was surprising to me.

god i hate albert pujols.....the cards are ripping my mets up...dam ex met pitchers always beating us..[/quote]

Bonds had to take the hit, he knows that the deck is stacked against him from Selig, so if he does anything, a middle finger, curse word, or charging the mound, he's suspended for a long time.
 
I don't know if anyone realizes this, but the Detroit Tigers have sole possession of best record in the league.

Just thought I'd share.
 
[quote name='botticus']I don't know if anyone realizes this, but the Detroit Tigers have sole possession of best record in the league.

Just thought I'd share.[/QUOTE]

yeah they are really alive right now and their pitching is finally where it should be..Zumaya is gonna be even better than bonderman soon i feel.
 
Although I love the mets, I absolutely love Pujols. He's what baseball needs.

Oh and watching Wagner strike out the side in tonite's game was orgasmic. There, I said it.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']yeah they are really alive right now and their pitching is finally where it should be..Zumaya is gonna be even better than bonderman soon i feel.[/QUOTE]
You had to say that as Bonderman was getting shelled, didn't you? :D
 
[quote name='botticus']You had to say that as Bonderman was getting shelled, didn't you? :D[/QUOTE]

haha sorry didnt know that would jinx him tonight haha


yeah watching wagner strike out the side was orgasmic....but watching Beltran belt the 3 run blast was just as good..
 
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