Lost Odyssey - Gen. Discussion & Info

[quote name='Draekon'] I have some qualms about the progression in disk 2, mainly about the voiced emotional responses from the characters. They sound so off in english to me and it reminds me why I rarely use english voice overs in games when I have the option. If only what was said in other languages matches the subtitles and the mouth movement a bit better I would enjoy it a bit more. Probably doesn't detract from most peoples experiences here but it does to mine. Though it's not nearly enough to stop me from playing.
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I don't really pay attention to things like mouth movements when watching anime in English of playing games. I do however, mind if tone and inflection for example are way off key. A lack of enthusiasam on the VAs part can break it for me, "I am reading lines off this paper with no emotion."
 
[quote name='Draekon']World map is a point and click system. You see the map, pick a point, and then go to it instantly. Then you pretty much go through that area and at the end you're at the world map again.[/quote]

You can only go to places around you though, you've still got to travel if you want to go from one side of the world to another. And most of the time, especially in the beginning, you'll have to go through each area to backtrack. One of my favorite things about traveling in this game is that you're fully healed whenever you enter an area. Kind of makes inns useless except for rewatching dreams.
 
[quote name='Moxio']Would you guys say this game is worth $60? I can get it for a hair under $50, but I'm still so hesitant.[/QUOTE]

Definitly. I bought it for full price $65 and i feel its money well spent.
 
It'sMagneto;3967715]I don't really pay attention to things like mouth movements when watching anime in English of playing games. I do however said:
I only really noticed it because the voice acting would stop but the mouth movement went on for like three more seconds. That kindof stuff really bugs me.

Though yeah, the tone also gets me and it was pretty apparent in disk 2 I think. So far in disk 3 it's been pretty good but I'm still early in the disk.

[quote name='Moxio']Would you guys say this game is worth $60? I can get it for a hair under $50, but I'm still so hesitant.
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If you're an RPG fan, then yes, it's worth it. Though if you're only into western RPGs you may not like it so much, though I'd probably still recommend it at the $50 price tag.

While many people are making it out to be the best thing since sliced bread, I don't really feel it's quite up to that level. I feel it is the best 360 RPG to have released outside of Mass Effect. (I'm biased against Oblivion)
 
[quote name='Draekon']

Well I find the game pretty easy without it so I don't think it's worth it to go back five hours just to make sure I pick it up. I believe there's another later on that's better but since this is my first playthrough I don't really have any intention on finding out where it is before I finish it. Maybe these types of things should be left in spoilers?

EDIT: Heh, I just found the item you're talking about on disk 3 from a chest. Guess you don't really need to waste time and money on getting it.[/QUOTE]

I didn't left in spoilers because it gives big heads up to anyone interested in getting that item early. Yes, you can also get item in City of Khent, upper gates. Anyway, later in the game you get an item that increase by 5 slots instead of 3. And yes, they do stack on top of each other.

[quote name='FrankySox']Question for those of you who have this game....Does it have a world map or is exploration pretty limited?[/QUOTE]

World exploration is pretty limited, it use a point and click system to select your desire location. There is minimal world exploration
in beginning of disc four you get a ship/sub
. You can find some hidden items or open new cities/location. But the overall extra content in this game is more then enough to compensate for it. On disk four, there is whopper of extra content. All previous town you visit, have new additional sidequests. And paths you were unable to access earlier in the game, are now accessable.

[quote name='Draekon']
If you're an RPG fan, then yes, it's worth it. Though if you're only into western RPGs you may not like it so much, though I'd probably still recommend it at the $50 price tag.

While many people are making it out to be the best thing since sliced bread, I don't really feel it's quite up to that level. I feel it is the best 360 RPG to have released outside of Mass Effect. (I'm biased against Oblivion)[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Some people (majority is fan boys) stating it's like one of the greatest rpgs of all time and they didn't even finish beating the game. There are a lot of flaws in games, but none of them are really big if you like japanese rpgs or classical old school rpgs with some fresh new elements.
 
Yeah, I'm not expecting a mindblowing RPG. But, I haven't really played a "traditional" turn based RPG in a very long time, so I expect a very nice breath of fresh air.
 
So if I like Eternal Sonata will I like this? I really want to pick this up but the game looks a bit complex to me. I'm not too big on rpgs but I did enjoy eternal sonata
 
[quote name='apokalipze2']So if I like Eternal Sonata will I like this? I really want to pick this up but the game looks a bit complex to me. I'm not too big on rpgs but I did enjoy eternal sonata[/QUOTE]

Not really complex... the systems are very easy to learn, somewhat difficult to master.

I just beat it, clocked in at 45 hours (a few hours were idle..) I unlocked 840/1000 points on my first run. I have a save where I can get about 30 more defeating optional bosses and such.
 
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']Not really complex... the systems are very easy to learn, somewhat difficult to master.

I just beat it, clocked in at 45 hours (a few hours were idle..) I unlocked 840/1000 points on my first run. I have a save where I can get about 30 more defeating optional bosses and such.[/quote]

Nice, i'm at 32 hours right now, on disc 3. i bet an hour of my time has been sitting idle on the map listening to the badass map music.
 
[quote name='hohez']Nice, i'm at 32 hours right now, on disc 3. i bet an hour of my time has been sitting idle on the map listening to the badass map music.[/QUOTE]

I like that song a lot too.. the beginning is ok, but like a minute and half into the song the guitar kicks in. Awesome.
 
Wow...I must speed through RPGs. I just started Disc 4 at about 26 hours I think? Something like that.

Anyways, yes...this game is on a fast track to a crazy finale. I can't believe some of the scenes on Disc 3!
 
[quote name='apokalipze2']So if I like Eternal Sonata will I like this? I really want to pick this up but the game looks a bit complex to me. I'm not too big on rpgs but I did enjoy eternal sonata[/QUOTE]

If anything this looks LESS complex than most RPGs do to me now. It looks like it's got a really nice level of complexity similar (unsurprisingly) to the later Final Fantasy games, but not going pointlessly overboard with it like a lot of games seem to.
 
[quote name='bassec']Anyways, yes...this game is on a fast track to a crazy finale. I can't believe some of the scenes on Disc 3![/quote]

I'm on disc 3 and it has been absolutely packed with action so far. It started off slow in the first area, but it has been very damn exciting so far.

[quote name='Wolfpup']If anything this looks LESS complex than most RPGs do to me now. It looks like it's got a really nice level of complexity similar (unsurprisingly) to the later Final Fantasy games, but not going pointlessly overboard with it like a lot of games seem to.[/quote]

I agree, it's a nice balance so far. A good amount of micro-managing skills, but not so much that I'm having to plan out a path for each character on paper before hand.

Another thing it does right, that I thought Blue Dragon botched horribly, is it doles out the achievements at a satisfying pace. 50 hours into BD, I had something stupid like 110 total achievement points. LO drops a 125 achievement on you at the end of every disc which is a nice reward for doing something i was enjoying to begin with.
 
[quote name='hohez']I'm on disc 3 and it has been absolutely packed with action so far. It started off slow in the first area, but it has been very damn exciting so far.[/quote]

Are you far along in disk 3 to comment if you think the entire mood/feel of the game changed a bit? I felt some of the stuff felt very out of place that can be summed up as "Maaamaaa!" as the game puts it best. It's really thrown me off compared to how the first two disks progressed.

Though, yeah, there's plenty action. Hell, it makes monkey shit fights at the zoo look tame compared to what they've shown. (No offense ment to you with your avatar, lol.)
 
[quote name='Draekon']Are you far along in disk 3 to comment if you think the entire mood/feel of the game changed a bit? I felt some of the stuff felt very out of place that can be summed up as "Maaamaaa!" as the game puts it best. It's really thrown me off compared to how the first two disks progressed.

Though, yeah, there's plenty action. Hell, it makes monkey shit fights at the zoo look tame compared to what they've shown. (No offense ment to you with your avatar, lol.)[/QUOTE]

Uh, well.. the character you refer to says it throughout the game but it really isn't that bad.

Disk 3 and 4 really pick up the action.. disk 4 being the best obviously.
 
[quote name='Draekon']Are you far along in disk 3 to comment if you think the entire mood/feel of the game changed a bit? I felt some of the stuff felt very out of place that can be summed up as "Maaamaaa!" as the game puts it best. It's really thrown me off compared to how the first two disks progressed.

Though, yeah, there's plenty action. Hell, it makes monkey shit fights at the zoo look tame compared to what they've shown. (No offense ment to you with your avatar, lol.)[/quote]

I am just past the part you speak of, and honestly, that was one of my favorite moments of the game so far. :lol:

I didn't think it felt any more out of place than with what happened With
Kaim and Liram and the kids.

I do think the mood changed though, it's not nearly as batshit depressing as disc 1 and 2 were to me. Still very dark, but it's a different kind of dark.
 
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']Uh, well.. the character you refer to says it throughout the game but it really isn't that bad.[/quote]

Yeah I know as I've heard that person say it several times. I just think it was really overdone the first time it was said despite the situation it was in and hence why I used it. Plus several other scenes in the disk really took away from what I felt the mood of the game at that time which was built up from in the first two disks. The scenes had even had my mouth gaping open in confusion from how drastically the mood changed during those scenes.

I feel this ties in a bit with what I've mentioned in my other posts with how the voiced characters feel off in their emotion in various scenes and it can help ruin that particular part and if it happens a lot, it can even ruin the game. I felt this way about Final Fantasy X and I couldn't stand the characters and didn't like the game much. Don't feel quite that way with Lost Odyssey as I still like the characters but voice acting has a long way to go in gaming, at least in english. This is particularly why I prefer the language that whatever the media is set in as it tends to convey everything at a much better tone. I can't do that in this game due to a very big peeve of watching characters mouths move after the voice acting is done as the mouth movements are tied in with english. Thus I go with my lesser of two evils.

Pretty much I'm more or less just curious if other people had viewed scenes in disk 3 the same way as I did. Still enjoying the game thoroughly but what I feel are drastic changes (or maybe 'spurts' would be a better word?) like that keep me from giving this game a 9/10, along with other minor annoyances.
 
Looks like its selling pretty well according to VGchartz. I dont know how accurate their numbers are but its at least a glimpse. It was #2 beaten only by DMC4 http://vgchartz.com/aweekly.php

Seems like its first week, its already sold more in the US then it has in JPN these past couple months.
 
Glad to see it is selling well.

Started Disc 4 last night...the world of side quests opens up before me....
 
[quote name='hohez']Glad to see it is selling well.[/QUOTE]


That was joke right? 100k is a pretty shitty number considering the budget this game has. It would be good if it was a DS game, but it's not. Looks like it will join Blue Dragon's lower price soon, which is good for us CAGs, bad for Microsoft.
 
[quote name='thorbahn3']That was joke right? 100k is a pretty shitty number considering the budget this game has. It would be good if it was a DS game, but it's not. Looks like it will join Blue Dragon's lower price soon, which is good for us CAGs, bad for Microsoft.[/quote]

No it wasn't a joke, it sold 100k it's first week, and was the number 2 selling game behind only DMC4. Seems pretty good to me. Considering the JRPG market on 360 has to be a lot smaller than a high octane action game like DMC4, pretty damn good indeed.
 
so I'm about 7 hours in and just beat the big worm guy. I've only had to grind for one level in my entire time playing and I'm really digging the game on the whole. The downside is those dreams, I mean really, could we not get some narration there? Ridiculous.
The english voice over is great (especially that clown jansen) and seth sounds really erotic in italian.
Very mych glad that I grabbed the game since it will give me a nice amount of downtime over the next few weeks. Acing it may prove difficult, but I'd certainly like to try.
 
[quote name='thorbahn3']That was joke right? 100k is a pretty shitty number considering the budget this game has. It would be good if it was a DS game, but it's not. Looks like it will join Blue Dragon's lower price soon, which is good for us CAGs, bad for Microsoft.[/QUOTE]

Actually for a JRPG it is doing very well. Blue Dragon only RECENTLY hit 100k in sales and i think only had like 50k its first week. LO doubling that is very good for its opening week as a JRPG. Sure its not millions like halo or COD4 but its very good considering its sort of a niche market. Believe me, this is good news for microsoft and Mistwalker.
 
[quote name='mrelusive']Might be a stupid question, but if I loved Eternal Sonata, but hated Blue Dragon, would this JRPG be worth my money?[/QUOTE]
I felt the same way. Thought Blue Dragon was horrible, but really enjoyed Eternal Sonata. So yes, you should like this game.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I felt the same way. Thought Blue Dragon was horrible, but really enjoyed Eternal Sonata. So yes, you should like this game.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. If he hated the turn-based system of Blue Dragon, I see no reason why he would enjoy LO's.

If not, then I'd agree.
 
I don't mind turn-based gameplay. It's mostly the characters and world that put me off about BD. Shu was particularly-annoying to me.
 
[quote name='mrelusive']I don't mind turn-based gameplay. It's mostly the characters and world that put me off about BD. Shu was particularly-annoying to me.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's also what I hated about it.
 
Personally I thought Blue Dragon was a lot better than ES. I felt I only finish ES because it was a short game. For BD I enjoyed every mintue.
 
Not really spoilers, but marking them as such regardless.

Finished disk 3 today, easily the best one thus far, tons of action and story. While Gongora isn't Kefka or Sephiroth as far as awesome bad guys go, he is pretty badass in his own right. Amazing game thus far, I really really like it.
 
[quote name='mrelusive']Might be a stupid question, but if I loved Eternal Sonata, but hated Blue Dragon, would this JRPG be worth my money?[/QUOTE]

And I loved Blue Dragon (still playing it beyond the end to get all the chars leveled up) and am ambivalent towards ES (have it, but only played the demo - not a fan of the combat though I need to give it a real play). So how will I fare?

I bought this from a regular Blockbuster with free credit from Coke Rewards so in a sense I got the game for free (though I could have saved the $60 for something else). I guess I better play this soon before it does drop - I don't mind paying full price (like with BD) if I actually get to the game before the price drops :lol:. I've bought far too many games at full price (even in reduced-cost store credit) that I never got around to playing before they were $5-$10 on clearance somewhere.

I haven't read the middle mass of this thread, and don't want to read too much for fear of spoilers, but all the early comments are putting the game down as garbage (before it was even out, of course) because of some comment on a blog or review about it being full of dozens of hours of cut scenes. For those actually playing now, how accurate is that? I mean, the 4 discs points to a lot of cut scenes for sure, but these can be handled in a good way or a bad way... For example, Blue Dragon with its 3 discs is not bad at all in terms of cut scenes.
 
The game doesn't have anymore cutscenes than any other RPG. Nowhere near half the game.

The impressions of the game have been overwhelmingly positive since it came out. There's no unmarked spoilers, so feel free to read the whole thread.
 
This thread is pretty spoiler free so read it. The game handles the cutscenes really well, and there are a lot. Not anymore than any other story heavy rpg, but compared to blue dragon, there are hours more. no minimovies throughout the game like xenosaga where you had to save mid-cut scene(although i loved that).

The thing i detested about Blue Dragon and really brought down the overall quality of the game was the story just felt meaningless told through those characters. Also the achievements, of which I am a prostitute, were balanced like shit and added 60% more meaningless grinding game length.

The story in this game is very dark and personal to the characters and the growth is handled very well. The battle system is much smoother than BD, as it was slow, partly do to the menus seeming a tiny bit sluggish. verything goes by pretty quick and satsfying in LO.

I don't think you have anything to worry about io...dive in.
 
Well, yeah, I agree on the achievements for BD - I'm trying to get all my shadows up to 99 in every class and that just means sitting on the Poo Snake island with the shield barrier up and checking on the game every 15 minutes to make sure it hasn't paused ;).

So I take it the achievements in LO are a bit more balanced? I really don't have the time to read through 17 pages of this thread but I already have the game so I'll play it. Are there any missable achievements like in BD? I'd want to be sure to pick things up as I play as I rarely run through these long RPG's twice.

As for the story/battles in BD I didn't mind either. I thought the story was just fine. And I'm not sure what you mean on the battles lacking smoothness - BD has a pretty quick startup/ending to battles which I appreciate. And of course, NO RANDOM BATTLES which I hear LO has - always a minus...
 
[quote name='io']Well, yeah, I agree on the achievements for BD - I'm trying to get all my shadows up to 99 in every class and that just means sitting on the Poo Snake island with the shield barrier up and checking on the game every 15 minutes to make sure it hasn't paused ;).

So I take it the achievements in LO are a bit more balanced? I really don't have the time to read through 17 pages of this thread but I already have the game so I'll play it. Are there any missable achievements like in BD? I'd want to be sure to pick things up as I play as I rarely run through these long RPG's twice.

As for the story/battles in BD I didn't mind either. I thought the story was just fine. And I'm not sure what you mean on the battles lacking smoothness - BD has a pretty quick startup/ending to battles which I appreciate. And of course, NO RANDOM BATTLES which I hear LO has - always a minus...[/quote]

It was a very minor delay in the battles..it just didnt feel as quick as it needed to be to me. From what I can tell by looking at the guide, there's only 2 missable items I think it notifies you of, but i don't think either are achievement blocking.

There is no get all items or kill every mob like in BD, the closest thing is get all treasured items, but if you miss any of those, late in the game you can buy them at the auction house. 125 achievement just for beating each disc..so it throws you a bone every so often, rather than being 35 hours into bd and having 110 achievements. :lol:

The random battles in LO are not of any real consequence..in fact sometimes i wish they happened more. Here's how each area boils down. You enter new area...each battle will give you almost a full level (static 100 exp needed for all levels) once you hit the cap (soft cap) each battle will drop off significantly, and you will only gbet maybe 4 exp per fight. Basically it frontloads the exp in each area so you worry about skills much more than levels.

Also, characters not in your party get zero exp. But because of the frontloaded exp in each zone, once you have more than a full party, i have never had any trouble switching in/out my mortals to catch them all up by the time i leave an area.
 
Yeah, I think it is possible to play all the way through Blue Dragon without getting ANY achievements - which must be some sort of record ;).
 
I just got Blue Dragon for $15, I hope it's at least good enough to warrant that price. ;)

Lost Odyssey looks much better than BD, but at full price and me with a full backlog of games, I'm gonna put it off for a while, unless I see a sale on it I can't pass up. Also, I really want Eternal Sonata the most, but haven't found a good deal on it yet.
 
Just beat the first boss. It took me 4 or 5 tries and beat it out of pure luck. I managed to do a attack pattern that made the boss do the same attack to the same person in which I kept throwing a healing potion on. Pure luck I tell ya.
 
112K arent very good numbers? I dont think so. Hate to see microsoft stuff fail especially RPG's. LOL, sounds cool though, cant wait for it to drop to 30$. LOL
 
Kakana tank fight on disk 4 is hard. First boss that stumped me and killed me more than once. Got him on 5th try after messing with group stuff a bit
 
I had no problem with the first boss and beat him on the first try, but I just got by ass handed to me by the second boss after winning the first fight.
 
VGchartz isn't the most reliable site. Wait for the NPD.

in any case, hope the game sells well. It deserves it.
 
I think the first boss is one of the hardest boss because there is too much luck is involved. My first three times it keep spamming high area of effect attacks. On my fourth try, it barely use it at all. Other then that, the rest of game is really easy other then Ultimate Boss.
 
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