Madden 11 League-OFFICIAL CAG LEAGUE-That's all folks! Mini-tourney still coming tho!

[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']IDK, I think Cooley really puts that over the edge.[/QUOTE]

I think the point is that one of us needs help now (at the expense of age) while one of is looking at the potential and speed of some talented rookies.
 
I have a problem with that trade. The Redskins are trading away 2 players with higher overalls than anyone they're getting back, and Rogers is also higher rated than two of the players coming from the Rams. Cooley is one of the Redskins' best players, they should be getting more in return for him, a good DE, and one of their top corners.

I vote no.

[quote name='gregthomas77']I think the point is that one of us needs help now (at the expense of age) while one of is looking at the potential and speed of some talented rookies.[/QUOTE]

The Redskins were in playoff contention last season and the Rams weren't, it seems like the roles have been reversed in how you're describing it.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I have a problem with that trade. The Redskins are trading away 2 players with higher overalls than anyone they're getting back, and Rogers is also higher rated than two of the players coming from the Rams. Cooley is one of the Redskins' best players, they should be getting more in return for him, a good DE, and one of their top corners.

I vote no.[/QUOTE]

those picks are like first and second rounders. do you think if the Redskins could have gotten a good WR and a first and second round pick this summer for cooley, a high de, and rogers they wouldn't have taken it?

Seriously?
 
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[quote name='ubernes']I'm subbing for the Lions now. I'm going to make BigAT the commish so I can switch between teams without the whole league collapsing haha.

edit: someone else will have to do it. I can't connect with gbpackers. I believe Zurezo is next up.[/QUOTE]

Im playing my game at 9:30 est. Let me know when you need me to play as the sub
 
i don't really understand this denial system anyways. are you all saying that you think the trade trying to artificially prop up the Rams to NFL greatness? I don't really understand how this trade hurts the league. Just saying it is unbalanced is not a reason to deny it.
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']The Redskins and Rams have tentatively approved a trade and are looking for league approval:

Redskins get:

Titus Riddler 84 MLB
Jelan Robinson 77 RB
Brandon Gibson 77 WR

Rams get:

Chris Cooley 91 TE
Shaynon Douglass 89 LE
Carlos Rogers 79 CB[/QUOTE]

I vote yes and we should only be saying No to trades if we think collusion is involved. We are all "owners" and get to run our teams at how we see fit
 
Yes, very seriously. That is a grossly unbalanced trade in your favor, I suspect you know that. Douglass was the highest rated DE in the entire draft, was he not? He also is A potential, both of the rookies you're trading are not only lower rated than him, but are B potential. It's a terrible trade for the Redskins IMO.

There is no vote really, the decision is up to ubernes, we're supposed to give our opinions. My opinion is not to allow that trade.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Yes, very seriously. That is a grossly unbalanced trade in your favor, I suspect you know that. Douglass was the highest rated DE in the entire draft, was he not? He also is A potential, both of the rookies you're trading are not only lower rated than him, but are B potential. It's a terrible trade for the Redskins, bottom line.[/QUOTE]

But Kayholiday is too stupid to figure that out and you have to protect him?
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']But Kayholiday is too stupid to figure that out and you have to protect him?[/QUOTE]

You posted the trade and asked for league approval, don't get sensitive about people offering their opinions about it.

It's a pretty unbalanced trade, it's the purpose of the review process for people who think so to say so, why else have it?
 
[quote name='bvharris']You posted the trade and asked for league approval, don't get sensitive about people offering their opinions about it.

It's a pretty unbalanced trade, it's the purpose of the review process for people who think so to say so, why else have it?[/QUOTE]

I wasn't getting sensitive to the opinions per se, just the lack of justification for them.

Just saying a trade is imbalanced by rating doesn't mean anything. Like Zurezo was saying, I thought the point of the vote (or no vote, not sure) was to prevent cheating and collusion, not to second guess owner decisions.
 
That trade is too lopsided. Redskins need to get more to make it 'fair'. He's giving away an avg of two 90 OVR players with Carlos Rogers (a decent CB) and getting back an 84 and two 77's?
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']I wasn't getting sensitive to the opinions per se, just the lack of justification for them.

Just saying a trade is imbalanced by rating doesn't mean anything. Like Zurezo was saying, I thought the point of the vote (or no vote, not sure) was to prevent cheating and collusion, not to second guess owner decisions.[/QUOTE]

I've provided plenty of justification. Here's some more: . By ratings, the Redskins are giving up both their highest rated offensive (Cooley) and defensive (Douglas) players, along with their #2 corner. In exchange they're getting a halfback when they already have 3 higher on the depth chart (Portis, Sproles, Johnson), a MLB to play behind Fletcher, and a 77 ovr WR.

The "Redskins going young" argument would hold more water if they weren't giving up their own #1 draft pick who was also the highest rated prospect in the whole entire draft.

Obviously there is no collusion or cheating involved, but this trade in my mind is so lopsided that it's still worth overturning as it stands. It's overwhelmingly one-sided to the point where I do feel it would have an adverse impact on one team and too positive an impact on another. Ubernes will have to make that decision.
 
i dont agree witht he trade but at the same time, i cant overlook the Redskins' past trade history as far as giving up Orakpo and Landry... I was offered Cooley in the Suggs-Landry deal but i passed on him. It's an unbalanced trade because i doubt we'll be playing these seasons long enough for the rookies to reach their full potential. This trade looks like offense for defense but the ratings of the players involved should be a lil closer than they are
 
[quote name='Zurezo']I vote yes and we should only be saying No to trades if we think collusion is involved. We are all "owners" and get to run our teams at how we see fit[/QUOTE]

[quote name='bvharris']Yes, very seriously. That is a grossly unbalanced trade in your favor, I suspect you know that. Douglass was the highest rated DE in the entire draft, was he not? He also is A potential, both of the rookies you're trading are not only lower rated than him, but are B potential. It's a terrible trade for the Redskins IMO.

There is no vote really, the decision is up to ubernes, we're supposed to give our opinions. My opinion is not to allow that trade.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='gregthomas77']I wasn't getting sensitive to the opinions per se, just the lack of justification for them.

Just saying a trade is imbalanced by rating doesn't mean anything. Like Zurezo was saying, I thought the point of the vote (or no vote, not sure) was to prevent cheating and collusion, not to second guess owner decisions.[/QUOTE]

Considering that people can drop from the league at any point, lopsided trades are well enough of a reason to not pass through.

The 3-way trade we were involved in (Colts/Rams/Redskins) had you getting a boatload of above average players and you were not willing to budge on anything other than sending Steven Jackson.

I'm certainly not shocked that you went behind my back and made a lopsided deal for yourself, as I suspected you would. lol
 
yall are going too much off ratings,i prolly know more about football than most people in this league!!! The players im trading for fit the way i play, so me trading trading my second string te for another starter seems like a no brianer to me!! If you think its a bad trade just prove it to me when we play,other than that its up to the commish,if he refuses the trade we can rework it greg, no biggy
 
[quote name='HydroX']Considering that people can drop from the league at any point, lopsided trades are well enough of a reason to not pass through.

The 3-way trade we were involved in (Colts/Rams/Redskins) had you getting a boatload of above average players and you were not willing to budge on anything other than sending Steven Jackson.

I'm certainly not shocked that you went behind my back and made a lopsided deal for yourself, as I suspected you would. lol[/QUOTE]

wow, thats fucked. kay, you and I knew about our three way deal conversation, and that was cool. But bringing it up here is lame.

EDIT:

Oh, and Hydrox - I didn't go "behind your back", I was negotiating with you and kay seperately before we started the three way conversation, and I still have Jackson available for our original interests.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']It's an unbalanced trade because i doubt we'll be playing these seasons long enough for the rookies to reach their full potential. This trade looks like offense for defense but the ratings of the players involved should be a lil closer than they are[/QUOTE]

^ This.

Well put.
 
[quote name='kayholiday']yall are going too much off ratings,i prolly know more about football than most people in this league!!! The players im trading for fit the way i play, so me trading trading my second string te for another starter seems like a no brianer to me!! If you think its a bad trade just prove it to me when we play,other than that its up to the commish,if he refuses the trade we can rework it greg, no biggy[/QUOTE]

i would like to disagree with the beginning of that statement... i've been watching/playing/coaching football for almost 20 years... and i'm a HUGE advocate for people acquiring players to fit "playing styles" but the fact that the players are rated cant be ignored... a 77 WR will not perform the same way a 87 WR will. A 91 LB will perform much better, more often than a 77 DE... this is still a video game. Because of that, i doubt this trade gets pushed thru. As i stated before, the ratings of the players involved just needs to be a bit more balanced and i'm sure there will be no problems
 
[quote name='kayholiday']yall are going too much off ratings,i prolly know more about football than most people in this league!!! The players im trading for fit the way i play, so me trading trading my second string te for another starter seems like a no brianer to me!! If you think its a bad trade just prove it to me when we play,other than that its up to the commish,if he refuses the trade we can rework it greg, no biggy[/QUOTE]

Calling Cooley your second-string TE is pretty arbitrary, the fact is he's your highest rated player and for most teams he would be a #1 TE, including for the Rams.

And how does it make sense to trade away the highest rated defensive player in the draft?

It also doesn't make sense to get the halfback, who's a very similar player to Darren Sproles who you already traded for last year. Especially when you already have 3 HBs.

The bottom line is, if you're really interested in trading those players away you should be able to do far better than this. I'm sure you know a lot about football but this is still a bad trade.

kay defending it doesn't alter my opinion on the trade, I still think it's a "best interests of the league" question.
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']But Kayholiday is too stupid to figure that out and you have to protect him?[/QUOTE]

No, it's the future of the Redskins being protected. Kayholiday can up and leave the league like anyone else can, and seriously screw the owner after him. I understand what you're getting at, but you're taking Cooley and his highest wr is, what? 73? If that trade were to happen and Kay were to leave the franchise the redskins would NEVER be filled.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']No, it's the future of the Redskins being protected. Kayholiday can up and leave the league like anyone else can, and seriously screw the owner after him. I understand what you're getting at, but you're taking Cooley and his highest wr is, what? 73? If that trade were to happen and Kay were to leave the franchise the redskins would NEVER be filled.[/QUOTE]

OK, I understand this argument. I don't think it is enough to deny it, but I can see what you are saying.

That being said, why allow trades at all then?

EDIT: Plus, if Kay leaves, someone can take the suddenly loaded Rams, because I would rather have the Skins anyways, thats my team.
 
i can respect that,but and 91 TE (Cooley) doesnt fit my play style as much as a 80 rated te with 88 speed would (1st game 11 catches 150 yds) so like i said Overall ratings are not everything,my middle linebacker will be retiring next year so that rookie lb is gonna start this year for me and he is better in coverage
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']OK, I understand this argument. I don't think it is enough to deny it, but I can see what you are saying.

That being said, why allow trades at all then?[/QUOTE]

I think it's telling that of all the trades made so far in the franchise, and there have been a dozen or so, this is the only one people have seriously objected to.

I think everyone loves trades, and they're a lot of fun to both negotiate and compensate, but it's perfectly possible to make trades which equally benefit both teams. This one pretty obviously benefits one team much more than the other, which is why the objections.

[quote name='kayholiday']80 rated te with 88 speed would (1st game 11 catches 150 yds)[/QUOTE]

You're welcome. ;)

For the record, it's the inclusion of Douglas and not Cooley which is the worst part of this trade IMO. If he wasn't in the trade and was replaced with someone else I likely wouldn't have a problem with it. I just can't see the rationale behind trading the best rated overall prospect in the draft if the goal is getting young.
 
[quote name='bvharris']
For the record, it's the inclusion of Douglas and not Cooley which is the worst part of this trade IMO. If he wasn't in the trade and was replaced with someone else I likely wouldn't have a problem with it. I just can't see the rationale behind trading the best rated overall prospect in the draft if the goal is getting young.[/QUOTE]

In all fairness, I assumed he was trying to get young, he didnt say that.
 
I also think the trade is too unbalanced.
[quote name='kayholiday']i can respect that,but and 91 TE (Cooley) doesnt fit my play style as much as a 80 rated te with 88 speed would (1st game 11 catches 150 yds)[/QUOTE]
I understand this, but you could get waaaay more than what you're getting now.
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']just out of curiosity, what do the critics think would make this fair.[/QUOTE]

Cooley and Carlos Rogers for the MLB and the WR.
 
[quote name='kayholiday']yeah the le end has a high rating,but like i said,he is not a impact player in my scheme[/QUOTE]

Trade him for something better then.

[quote name='gregthomas77']just out of curiosity, what do the critics think would make this fair.[/QUOTE]

One suggestion: Take out Douglas, put in Carriker. 91, 79, 76 for 84, 77,77. That would be fair.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Cooley and Carlos Rogers for the MLB and the WR.[/QUOTE]

and what about a deal that still includes the le.

for instance, what about a pick with the original deal.
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']and what about a deal that still includes the le.[/QUOTE]

The only way I can see that justifies trading an 89 ovr rookie is for a 90+ player.
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']and what about a deal that still includes the le.[/QUOTE]

Same trade but Jackson instead of the rookie HB, though I suspect kay wouldn't want that due to the speed ratings, but that would also be fair.
 
Ravens 42
Browns 14

Ravens' D came up with 6 INT's and 2 FFs... Flacco threw 2 TDs, Ray Rice had a day: 15 carries for 154 yds and 3 TDs (and 2 fumbles). Rookie RB Patrick Simon also chipped in 59 yds on 5 carries and a TD.

GG Siradam... hopefully, i aint give nothin away for our week 4 matchup
 
I don't know where Venom is. He's usually very easy to reach, since I've known him for a very long time, but he hasn't responded on here or Facebook, nor has he been on Live. I want to schedule the Packers/Vikings game for tomorrow if possible, or early Friday, since I'll be busy Friday night.

bvharris, I really wanted to try out my rookie DT in a game before deciding on that trade. I was getting that chance against Chicago before the last disconnect, but that's all. Is there any way to export online franchise teams for exhibition play?
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I don't know where Venom is. He's usually very easy to reach, since I've known him for a very long time, but he hasn't responded on here or Facebook, nor has he been on Live. I want to schedule the Packers/Vikings game for tomorrow if possible, or early Friday, since I'll be busy Friday night.

bvharris, I really wanted to try out my rookie DT in a game before deciding on that trade. I was getting that chance against Chicago before the last disconnect, but that's all. Is there any way to export online franchise teams for exhibition play?[/QUOTE]

Nope. That functionality, in addition to the ability to play scrims with your franchise team, is sorely missing from online franchise mode.

Best you can do is create a player with the same attributes (or alter another player to match).
 
[quote name='BigAT']
Best you can do is create a player with the same attributes (or alter another player to match).[/QUOTE]

This. I've done this in the past myself, doesn't take too long.

I'm playing my Week 2 game tonight so no rush, since the earliest I'd have him is for Week 3 anyway.
 
I Am Alive. Got in touch with Matt, We're supposed to play tomorrow night since I won't be able to play Friday Night.
 
After a 17-17 Outing in game 1.....Disconnected....
The Raiders beat the Dolphins 52-14. FML.

Good Game 1 Doom. I refuse to say game 2 was anywhere near a good game.
 
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Raiders win 52-14 after disconnecting in the first game (tied at 17). I had a lot of luck on my side tonight. I'll do a write up later
 
[quote name='siradam134']After a 27-27 Outing in game 1.....Disconnected....
The Raiders beat the Dolphins 52-14. FML.

Good Game 1 Doom. I refuse to say game 2 was anywhere near a good game.[/QUOTE]
Could have been the shitty conditions man. I know you're way better than the score suggests. Good game though.
 
[quote name='venom']I Am Alive. Got in touch with Matt, We're supposed to play tomorrow night since I won't be able to play Friday Night.[/QUOTE]

Well, I can't play Friday night, either, as I said. Any suggestion as for a time? I will be busy between 7:30-8:30 Eastern.
 
Well if you wanna get it done after 8:30 Eastern, Maybe 9:00 or 9:30 Eastern? That's good for me if it's good for You.

Edit: Poor Poor Fero, lol.
 
Ugh, I've never been more disgusted with myself after a game of Madden. I gifted the Chiefs a win, a game I win going away if I don't make so many stupid mistakes. Setting aside that I forgot how to play Madden for the first half of the game, I came all the way back and it's just unforced error after unforced error by Rivers, he threw 3 picks, none of which had anything to do with anything but me being a moron. A damn shame too, because my defense was utterly untouchable in the 2nd half. I'm an idiot.

Or, to put it more succinctly:

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gg sprice, I'm already looking ahead to our next matchup.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']when can we expect the season's first power rankings?[/QUOTE]

32. Chargers

There ya go. ;)

My main solace is that I started last year 2-3 and still rallied to make the playoffs, but having two division losses already hurts, especially with my brutal schedule. I definitely follow the true San Diego Chargers model for early season performance, I'm very dedicated. :roll:
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']The Redskins and Rams have tentatively approved a trade and are looking for league approval:

Redskins get:

Titus Riddler 84 MLB
Jelan Robinson 77 RB
Brandon Gibson 77 WR

Rams get:

Chris Cooley 91 TE
Shaynon Douglass 89 LE
Carlos Rogers 79 CB[/QUOTE]

Despite Cooley being rated 91, I don't rate him very high personally. Sort of in the same way I don't rate Witten or Pettigrew very high. Sure they can catch the ball and block well, but they are slow as hell so it makes them less than ideal receivers in this game. And I assume that's why the Redskins aren't using him.

If it was Riddler for Cooley, I really would have no problem with it. Defense seems to be more valuable in this game and as I said Cooley's overall rating isn't a big deal imo. My only real issue is with the middle players on both side. Obviously Washington is looking for a speed back. One he doesn't have now, and has no issue sacrificing his D-line for it but Douglass will probably be one of the best ends in the league. What are all the players potentials involved?
 
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