Mass Effect 2 Discussion - Fight for the Lost

[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']LOL. I just about to chime in here to mention how they somehow made the armor even uglier than when I first saw it. Oh God... that shit is hideous, haha. The only vast improvement from the rest of them is that you can partially see your Shepard's face in it. I can't wait to try out the shotgun on Insanity with my canon Vanguard. I'll admit this particular part of description turned me on slightly: "The M-22 shaves off serrated metal wedges designed to fly aerodynamically."

IT SHAVES OFF SERRATED METAL WEDGES DESIGNED TO FLY AERODYNAMICALLY DAMNIT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS? IT IS OFFICIALLY HALF AS AWESOME AS A SHOTGUN THAT FIRES SHOTGUNS IN SPACE!

...How could you not want to sleep with it at night?

If its range is even the slightest bit reminiscent of ME1 shotties then I'm going to write someone an anonymous love letter. >_>;[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? It is not that bad... The helmet would look better looking like the old N7 armor helmets. But, it is decent. Have you NOT seen the Inferno Armor??
 
[quote name='blueweltall']Quick question, if I bone the ladies in Mass Effect 1 can I still bone the ladies in ME2?[/QUOTE]
Yes, you can bone any of the romance options that you wish. However, the "lady you boned in ME1" will not appreciate that in ME3 - something to think about.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']Yes, you can bone any of the romance options that you wish. However, the "lady you boned in ME1" will not appreciate that in ME3 - something to think about.[/QUOTE]

Though....

You can apparently break it off with the ME2 lady (or ladies since you can switch between them after end game) and get the ME1 love interest's picture back upright in your cabin.

So it may not have much of an impact in ME3 as long as you break it off in the save you import. Or maybe doing that still has an impact but you can charm the ME1 interest back--vs. not having the option if you keep an ME2 romance option active. Time will tell on that.

I may stick with Tali--did Miranda first and then switched. Liara was nothing special as a character, and the romance is a minor part of the game. Most interesting angle (barring cool new characters in ME3) is possibly seeing Tali's face finally IMO.
 
[quote name='Tha Xecutioner']Yes, you can bone any of the romance options that you wish. However, the "lady you boned in ME1" will not appreciate that in ME3 - something to think about.[/QUOTE]

So ME3 > Tiger Wood Scandal. :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Though....

You can apparently break it off with the ME2 lady (or ladies since you can switch between them after end game) and get the ME1 love interest's picture back upright in your cabin.

So it may not have much of an impact in ME3 as long as you break it off in the save you import. Or maybe doing that still has an impact but you can charm the ME1 interest back--vs. not having the option if you keep an ME2 romance option active. Time will tell on that.

I may stick with Tali--did Miranda first and then switched. Liara was nothing special as a character, and the romance is a minor part of the game. Most interesting angle (barring cool new characters in ME3) is possibly seeing Tali's face finally IMO.
[/QUOTE]I just don't get why so many people go through the trouble of romancing all three "options" if you're going to just revert back to the ME1 love interest. If someone's just interested to see the specific scenes, I can link them in this thread. The only reason I do the romances is so they'll carry over to ME3 (though I don't have a ME1 love interest to worry about for my Paragon Shepard :cool:).
 
It's not much trouble, just a couple quick conversation options. I don't really care about the romance angle. I kind of like my Shepard being a James Bond type and just romancing who ever he can. :D

Though like I said, I'll probably stick with Tali now as I don't care that much about going back to Liara. She wasn't great, there just wasn't anyway I was romancing Ashley with her personality and religious crap in the first game.
 
Personally, I don't care how Ashley feels in ME3.

She was fuck-ugly anyways.

A quick question about getting to level 30: What's the best way to do it? When I finished my first playthrough I was at level 24, maybe 25? Are there enough "search random planets" sidequests to inch my way up to 30?

Or should I just try for it on my Insanity playthrough (if I go for one)?
 
Haven't leveled a character up to 30, but I'm fairly sure all "scan planet" sidequests only net 150 XP, so I would assume New Game+ would be the best way to continue leveling.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114'] Though like I said, I'll probably stick with Tali now as I don't care that much about going back to Liara. She wasn't great, there just wasn't anyway I was romancing Ashley with her personality and religious crap in the first game.[/QUOTE]

God.... Ashley was the WORST. Seriously, her racist remarks pretty much guaranteed that she was going to die in every single ME1 game I did. Bioware should have added an "airlock" option for her, I'd have been happy to send her through it from the moment she stepped on the Normandy.
 
[quote name='lolwut?']Personally, I don't care how Ashley feels in ME3.

She was fuck-ugly anyways.

A quick question about getting to level 30: What's the best way to do it? When I finished my first playthrough I was at level 24, maybe 25? Are there enough "search random planets" sidequests to inch my way up to 30?

Or should I just try for it on my Insanity playthrough (if I go for one)?[/QUOTE]

Yeah just do it on an imported playthrough. You get a 25% experience bonus with an imported character, so you'll get it in no time. Every main story/character mission is a level up. I was level 28 and got to 30 in no time--just the kick off mission where you wake up, and the first one after that to get to 30.

Otherwise it's tough to get with one play through. I did all the N7 planet scanning anomaly missions, every loyalty quest, every assignment I came across (which should be most as I was pretty good about talking to everyone etc. and only got to 28.

I'm hoping the DLC will be enough to get it to 30 though, as I want that level 28 end game save to be the main character I import into ME3 and would like to get it up to level 30 without having to do another full playthrough.
 
[quote name='lolwut?']Personally, I don't care how Ashley feels in ME3.

She was fuck-ugly anyways.

A quick question about getting to level 30: What's the best way to do it? When I finished my first playthrough I was at level 24, maybe 25? Are there enough "search random planets" sidequests to inch my way up to 30?

Or should I just try for it on my Insanity playthrough (if I go for one)?[/QUOTE]

import a lvl 60 character and do all the scanned planet missions and the majority of the side quests, all the story and loyalty missions and you will turn lvl 30 in the middle of the last mission.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah just do it on an imported playthrough. You get a 25% experience bonus with an imported character, so you'll get it in no time. Every main story/character mission is a level up. I was level 28 and got to 30 in no time--just the kick off mission where you wake up, and the first one after that to get to 30.

Otherwise it's tough to get with one play through. I did all the N7 planet scanning anomaly missions, every loyalty quest, every assignment I came across (which should be most as I was pretty good about talking to everyone etc. and only got to 28.

I'm hoping the DLC will be enough to get it to 30 though, as I want that level 28 end game save to be the main character I import into ME3 and would like to get it up to level 30 without having to do another full playthrough.[/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't you just do a second playthrough with the guy you want in ME3? Would you not be able to import if you did?

And to the guy above, I don't have a level 60 character, or ME1 to even get to that point. My ME1 save was only 39
 
[quote name='lolwut?']Why wouldn't you just do a second playthrough with the guy you want in ME3? Would you not be able to import if you did?
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I'm 100% happy with all the decisions I made and want to carry them over for my main ME3 character, so if I do a second playthrough I just be doing the exact same thing over again which would be boring as hell. I tried playing on Insanity and hated it (not into hard games) so that reason for replaying with the same character/choices is out as well.
 
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Regarding starting again with the same ME2 character.

Yes you take the end game character. If you're at level 28, for instance, you start at level 28. You keep your skill upgrades, but weapons and armor aren't upgraded--you start with some minerals, but not the level you had at the end. You can't change class etc.

But that's the point, to pay a new game with the the SAME character. If you want a new class, etc. you have to start a new game and make a new character from scratch--or import a different ME1 character (or the same one and change it around).

As I said before, importing the end game character into a new game doesn't get rid of your end game save. You can go back and play that post end game save to finish up quests and do DLC etc. regardless of whether you import the character into a new game or start other new characters etc.
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Well, that still didn't quite answer my issue. I don't care about reclassing. I just want to start my second playthrough with my post-game leveled up character (where I went back and did all the little quests). I'm guessing that is not possible - it will only want to use my very end of game save, and not the one after that? In any case, I'll find out tonight when I start it up in Insanity. Hopefully that new shotgun helps me out a bit, though I never really used shotguns in my first playthrough. They seemed less than useful to me.

As for the romance thing:
Crap, I forget who I even romanced in the first ME1 with the save I used. Is there a way to tell? I know I did Ashely one playthrough and Liara in another and it seemed like maybe Ashley was talking like it happened in this game (though it wasn't obvious). Like others, though, I didn't really care for her that much so no big deal. So far it has been Miranda in this one, but that just sort of happened without me trying ;). It looks like I have the option to switch to Tali - but once again, if the new game (ME3 that is) uses my post-game save and not the continue save then that won't be reflected in ME3 anyway.

What I'm a bit worried about is that I chose my level 59 character when importing and I had done a bunch of renegade stuff like killing the Rachni queen. I really wanted to play with that this still alive (though it never showed up in ME2 - maybe a key element in ME3 though?). If I have used my initial playthrough level 50 character that would have been better. Oh well...

About importing from ME1 and hitting level 30:
As for reaching level 30 - with my level 59 import and completing every last planet mission and all the sidequests except one (I still have a fake ID that I don't know what to do with) I reached level 29 and need about 600 exp to hit 30. So, I got so close, but not quite enough...
 
Hey so I preordered this game from amazon. Just picked it up (had it shipped to my parents house). I got my 10$ bonus credit for future amazon purchases(emailed it to me) but I there is no infernal armor bonus code. Is the code on a card like the cerebrus network code? or is amazon supposed to email them out? Did they run out? Should I bitch at them? Did anyone else have this problem? Thanks.
 
[quote name='io']Well, that still didn't quite answer my issue. I don't care about reclassing. I just want to start my second playthrough with my post-game leveled up character (where I went back and did all the little quests). I'm guessing that is not possible - it will only want to use my very end of game save, and not the one after that? [/quote]

Ok I get you now. Yes you are correct. You can only import the end game save. Anything you do on that end game save after the ending will not be imported to a new game. Only what ever level your at, upgrades you've completed etc. you have done at the time you beat the final boss.

So your best option--if possible--to do what you want to do is load a save before doing the IFF mission. Then go and do everything you can--all the planet quests etc. before doing that mission. Then when you're done do that, Legions loyalty quest and beat the game again. Then you'll have that end game save to import.

As for the romance thing:
Crap, I forget who I even romanced in the first ME1 with the save I used. Is there a way to tell?
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In your cabin there will be a picture of your ME1 love interest. It will be face down now since you've done romance stuff in this game. But you can import your ME1 save again and get to the cabin and see who's picture it is.
 
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[quote name='bebop']Hey so I preordered this game from amazon. Just picked it up (had it shipped to my parents house). I got my 10$ bonus credit for future amazon purchases(emailed it to me) but I there is no infernal armor bonus code. Is the code on a card like the cerebrus network code? or is amazon supposed to email them out? Did they run out? Should I bitch at them? Did anyone else have this problem? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

It comes in an e-mail from Amazon. It can take up to 10 days after release, but I've never had a pre-order bonus take more than 4 or so.

Check your spam folders, and if it's not there, e-mail Amazon.
 
Just got my GameInformer and was taken aback by the first line in the rewiew: "The second chapter in the Mass Effect trilogy is more of an enigma than the first, weaving through enough moral ambiguity, ghost-like images, and misleading plot twists to make the writers of the TV show Lost take note.".

Uh, while I think it is an excellent game and agree with their overall score (9.75) the one thing that struck me at the end of ME2 was the utter and complete lack of any plot twists and surprises. This stood out to me in particular when compared to the first game. In fact, I'd say that was really my only disappointment with the game overall. Did the GI reviewers even play the game? That opening line makes me distrust anything else they have to say about the game! :lol:

Plot summary:
I mean, the story is Cerberus brings you back to life to fight these "mysterious" Collectors which are harvesting humans. You recruit a crew, and go take on said Collectors, who it turns out are working for the reapers. This is by no means a surprise given the first game. Yeah, OK, the "human reaper" was a bit odd, but I didn't find it to be a plot twist or anything - just a new weapon the reapers were planning to use. That's it - no big betrayal like or shocking universe-ending uber-terror like the original appearance of the Reapers like we saw in ME1. In the end you destroy the Collectors and (depending on your choice) their Reaper base. Did I miss something? During the whole game I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop with Cerberus - I thought for sure the Illusive Man would turn out to be an agent of the Reapers too. While that still may happen in ME3, it was certainly not a plot twist to ME2.
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Yeah the only things really close to twists or even surprises were:

Shepard dying and being brought back to life and working for Cerberus

The Collectors being the Protheans who were corrupted by the reapers.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah the only things really close to twists or even surprises were:

Shepard dying and being brought back to life and working for Cerberus

The Collectors being the Protheans who were corrupted by the reapers.
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Only 5 people on the internet didn't know that first one. For some reason Bioware and the games press had to make sure everyone knew it.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']Only 5 people on the internet didn't know that first one. For some reason Bioware and the games press had to make sure everyone knew it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I was one of those 5.

I had read that
the normandy went down in the opening scene, but not that Shepard died and was brought back.

I pretty much avoided everything about it, like I do for most sequels to my favorite games. They're must buys anyway so no need to read previews, watch trailers etc.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah the only things really close to twists or even surprises were:

Shepard dying and being brought back to life and working for Cerberus

The Collectors being the Protheans who were corrupted by the reapers.
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I remembered hearing early on about Shepard dying but then I thought I had read something about that being de-bunked so I was back to being shocked when it happened.

I kind of sped through the first Mass Effect so I don't remember much about Cerberus coming in at all so when he started working for Cerberus it was just like, "ok, sounds good."

The Collectors being the remnants of the Protheons was definitely a surprise though.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']I wanted to avoid spoilers... But that one came out of left field. fuck you Garnett Lee....[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I also don't listen to any podcasts and very seldomly ever visit a gaming site other than CAG--unless going to IGN or Gamespot specifically to look at a specific review or something.

So I can avoid spoilers pretty easily.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, I also don't listen to any podcasts and very seldomly ever visit a gaming site other than CAG--unless going to IGN or Gamespot specifically to look at a specific review or something.

So I can avoid spoilers pretty easily.[/QUOTE]

Same, I just recently started listening to podcasts again and I'm frequently at least a week behind.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']
The Collectors being the remnants of the Protheons was definitely a surprise though.
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Meh, I suppose. While it was a surprise, it wasn't a shock. There were lots of things in ME1 that were BIG surprises - like, truly epic story surprises. Of course the big one was uncovering that there was a huge force of relentless machines that wiped out all sentient life every so often and the time for their return was imminent. I guess nothing in ME2 could really compare to that. But it just seemed like the scale was much smaller this time. Yeah, we had the Collectors abducting people with the Reapers obviously behind it all. But since it was limited to just humans it seemed less of an epic threat than in the first game where they clearly came to wipe out everyone. I'm sure there will be more behind this in ME3 so hopefully the story will have more twists and turns then. But for the most part this middle installment was sort of tame. Don't get me wrong, I loved the game and the character interactions and loyalty missions were a big improvement - but just the overall story arc didn't enthrall me like the first one did. Really, the only question was what, exactly, the Collectors/Reapers were up to with all the people they took and how it would end. While the result of the abductions turned out to be gruesome it wasn't unexpected at that point. I mean, did we really expect to save every colonist that had been abducted? I was pretty shocked when I played the end a second time and was able to save all my crew - I kind of liked the screwed up ending where I lost everyone but the doctor.

Also, the whole "human reaper" thing seemed out of character for the Reapers. I thought of them as wanting to destroy all sentient life and not being too picky about particular species and whatnot. Again, I'm sure this will be explained thoroughly in ME3 but it just seemed out of place given the first game. There were hints of some potential future surprises, though, with Harbinger saying Shephard has it wrong and that the Reapers were actually mankind's salvation. Though that could have just been typical evil guy BS talk too ;).

I suppose another mild surprise in ME2 was the fact that pretty much no one else believes the Reapers are a threat (or even real). I thought the end of ME1 would have proven that to them so I was somewhat surprised the "official line" is that all that trouble was just caused by Saren and his Geth minions. Of course all that helps to set up Shepard as the lone savior of the Universe in ME3 ;).

I actually didn't know about Shepard dying before I started playing but since it happens so quickly in the beginning I really didn't think of it is a "plot twist" so to speak and wasn't particularly surprised by it, though it was a cool scene there in the beginning.
 
[quote name='io']
I suppose another mild surprise in ME2 was the fact that pretty much no one else believes the Reapers are a threat (or even real). I thought the end of ME1 would have proven that to them so I was somewhat surprised the "official line" is that all that trouble was just caused by Saren and his Geth minions. Of course all that helps to set up Shepard as the lone savior of the Universe in ME3 ;).
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Yeah that reminded me of Harry Potter.

Where even after the events of Goblet of Fire everyone denied the return of Voldemort.
 
So... I just beat Mass Effect 1 for the first time, and it didn't create a clear save after finishing the game, it just dumped me back to the title screen. I have the last autosave at the final boss fight and some manual saves from earlier than that. How does that work with Mass Effect 2? Will it ask me for a particular save file to import, and should I just choose whichever is closest to the end? Will ME2 realize that I beat the game? Or does it matter?
 
[quote name='Ryuukishi']So... I just beat Mass Effect 1 for the first time, and it didn't create a clear save after finishing the game, it just dumped me back to the title screen. I have the last autosave at the final boss fight and some manual saves from earlier than that. How does that work with Mass Effect 2? Will it ask me for a particular save file to import, and should I just choose whichever is closest to the end? Will ME2 realize that I beat the game? Or does it matter?[/QUOTE]Mass Effect 1 automatically creates a "secret" save file that you can't access after you beat the game that is used for transfer to ME2. No other save will work except saves like this.
 
[quote name='Ryuukishi']So... I just beat Mass Effect 1 for the first time, and it didn't create a clear save after finishing the game, it just dumped me back to the title screen. I have the last autosave at the final boss fight and some manual saves from earlier than that. How does that work with Mass Effect 2? Will it ask me for a particular save file to import, and should I just choose whichever is closest to the end? Will ME2 realize that I beat the game? Or does it matter?[/QUOTE]

ME2 will know it's the end. You'll be able to import your character. You can make sure by going to new game in ME1 and choose an existing career. If you see your character there, then you'll be able to see it when you import ME2 as well. Just be sure not to overwrite your autosave with an older save. Like if you're going to load an old save to play the Pinnacle Station DLC, make sure to turn autosave off so it doesn't overwrite. If you do that it won't know you finished the game and you'll have to finish the game again. I did this myself. Luckily I had a very late save and was able to complete the game again before ME2 came out.

You can still start a new character or start a new game with the same character and let the autosave overwrite and you'll still be able to import your end game character in ME2. ME1 saves all your end game characters as long as you don't overwrite with an old save before starting a new game. You cannot import a character that's in the middle of a playthrough. I hope I explained that well enough D:
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, I also don't listen to any podcasts and very seldomly ever visit a gaming site other than CAG--unless going to IGN or Gamespot specifically to look at a specific review or something.

So I can avoid spoilers pretty easily.[/QUOTE]
Generally spoilers aren't a problem since they'll give you a heads up. But in this case he gave no warning about it and when one of the guys questioned him about it he said something like it wasn't a spoiler because Bioware showed them the footage.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Though....

You can apparently break it off with the ME2 lady (or ladies since you can switch between them after end game) and get the ME1 love interest's picture back upright in your cabin.

So it may not have much of an impact in ME3 as long as you break it off in the save you import. Or maybe doing that still has an impact but you can charm the ME1 interest back--vs. not having the option if you keep an ME2 romance option active. Time will tell on that.

I may stick with Tali--did Miranda first and then switched. Liara was nothing special as a character, and the romance is a minor part of the game. Most interesting angle (barring cool new characters in ME3) is possibly seeing Tali's face finally IMO.
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Just finished my insanity playthrough.
Zaeed survived even though I got shafted on his loyalty mission. After taking out the feeder tubes on the Human-Reaper, I thought I saw Legion go down after Shepard asks for a status update from the ground team. Shepard then mentioned something about "losing good people" when The Illusive Man starts talking to you, so I thought Legion was toast. Thankfully he was still alive in the final cutscene. I would have had no idea why he would have died.

[quote name='joe2187']
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Haha, those assholes. I really think they're going to reveal her face in ME3, though. There are hints all over the place in ME2: the Quarian and the Turian talking in the bar on Illium, the ad about bio-therapy for Quarians and Volus, Tali as a romantic interest in ME2... they've built it up too much to turn back now.
 
[quote name='io']Just got my GameInformer and was taken aback by the first line in the rewiew: "The second chapter in the Mass Effect trilogy is more of an enigma than the first, weaving through enough moral ambiguity, ghost-like images, and misleading plot twists to make the writers of the TV show Lost take note.".

Uh, while I think it is an excellent game and agree with their overall score (9.75) the one thing that struck me at the end of ME2 was the utter and complete lack of any plot twists and surprises. This stood out to me in particular when compared to the first game. In fact, I'd say that was really my only disappointment with the game overall. Did the GI reviewers even play the game? That opening line makes me distrust anything else they have to say about the game! :lol:

Plot summary:
I mean, the story is Cerberus brings you back to life to fight these "mysterious" Collectors which are harvesting humans. You recruit a crew, and go take on said Collectors, who it turns out are working for the reapers. This is by no means a surprise given the first game. Yeah, OK, the "human reaper" was a bit odd, but I didn't find it to be a plot twist or anything - just a new weapon the reapers were planning to use. That's it - no big betrayal like or shocking universe-ending uber-terror like the original appearance of the Reapers like we saw in ME1. In the end you destroy the Collectors and (depending on your choice) their Reaper base. Did I miss something? During the whole game I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop with Cerberus - I thought for sure the Illusive Man would turn out to be an agent of the Reapers too. While that still may happen in ME3, it was certainly not a plot twist to ME2.
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I think The Plot Twists™ were
Geth divided over issue of Reapers and Protheans not extinct. Also, something's seriously fucked with the Shadow Broker.
 
How come people like raping this game so much? It's like the Marketing team really messed up. I keep reading either, "It's not a very good shooter" or "It's not a very good RPG" it's neither it is just: Mass Effect. I'm so sick of hearing all these "non fans" of the series coming in with their Pokemon backpacks and bitching about things it's not.

I'll probably just disconnect the internet.

Oh and I'm probably wrong, but I think the Shadow Broker is a reaper. Just my guess
 
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Calm down with your Assburgers man. Most people love the game, people just like talking about the pros and the cons of games, not just the pros.


Anyway, decided to go ahead and start up a new character to play through with a female, do the renegade route and pick a different class. Decided I'd probably never get around to picking up ME1 and playing through it again--especially since the decision imports don't have a huge impact and I've already done that on my paragon playthrough which I consider my main/canon playthrough.

Not sure I'd enjoy ME1 as much with all the improvements they made to ME2. The combat, inventory system and Mako would be pretty painful after playing the sequel.

Anyway, I was happy to see that you get a nice bonus for starting a new character after beating the game on another save. You get the +25% experience, 200,000 credits and 50,000 of each of the minerals. Think somone had mentioned that earlier in the thread, had slipped my mind and I was thinking you only got those if you started a new game and imported your ME2 character. So a nice bonus, will cut out some of the mining if nothing else.

Put in about 2.5 hours, did the opening part, some shopping on Omega and upgrading on the ship, and Picked up Zaeed and Mordin.
 
I don't think I can respect the opinions of somebody who can't sit down and enjoy this game. Really, this game has set a new bar on how involved I become about a video game. Seriously the only part of the game I'm even remotely disappointed in is that there isn't a catchy song at the end credits.

My girlfriend is at the end of it; almost every person in our house has beaten this game. Whoever is hating on this game is probably just butt-hurt that they can't currently play it.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']I think The Plot Twists™ were
Geth divided over issue of Reapers and Protheans not extinct. Also, something's seriously fucked with the Shadow Broker.
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yeah but they werent divided..it was programming thing..it wasnt a concious (sp?) decision
 
[quote name='uglyteradon']I don't think I can respect the opinions of somebody who can't sit down and enjoy this game. Really, this game has set a new bar on how involved I become about a video game. Seriously the only part of the game I'm even remotely disappointed in is that there isn't a catchy song at the end credits.

My girlfriend is at the end of it; almost every person in our house has beaten this game. Whoever is hating on this game is probably just butt-hurt that they can't currently play it.[/QUOTE]
Yea, it's really weird. I don't get what they are comparing it to, this is a different type of genre and people can't really comprehend it. I'm also watching my gf play it and it amazes me seeing it as a bystander and she loves it to.

I admit that I was pissed off at a lot of the changes in the first 30 minutes of playing, but that eventually wore off and I stopped nitpicking and just enjoyed the experience. I don't get why others can't do the same...
 
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LOL.

My advice to you is to relax and start making a conscientious effort in avoiding genre balance discussions of any sort (especially among more devoted fans) if it's getting you wound this tight. IMHO if either side of the argument weren't being fueled by actual fans then it wouldn't last long enough for people to care. Sad fact of life but when nothing is perfect everything becomes subject to criticism. I've found when it comes to Mass Effect in particular only the most professional critics or hardcore fans are bound by pure instinct to meticulously analyze the trilogy to the point of borderline obsession.

It sucks sometimes because most of them are unmistakably fanatical elitists each supported by their own personal troll armies, but it is what it is. It's your responsibility to ignore the wild bullshit whenever humanly possible and find comfort in the fact you aren't as consumed by a damn video game.
 
[quote name='Malik112099']
yeah but they werent divided..it was programming thing..it wasnt a concious (sp?) decision
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The reasoning behind it has no bearing on it being a Plot Twist™.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']...I admit that I was pissed off at a lot of the changes in the first 30 minutes of playing, but that eventually wore off and I stopped nitpicking and just enjoyed the experience. I don't get why others can't do the same...[/QUOTE]

I liked the game, but I never got over the thermal clip thing. I just hate that change.
 
What happens to the VI of Shepard that you get from Mouse? I asked for one from him and was hoping I could play with it in the captain's quarters but I didn't see it :(. I found Shepard's old helmet on Normandy Crash Site and it sits on my desk now. And, I finally found the model ship I was missing :D. Also, all my fish died on my renegade playthrough cause I let Kelly die :(. I don't know what my obsession with the captains quarters is D:
 
[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']LOL.

My advice to you is to relax and start making a conscientious effort in avoiding genre balance discussions of any sort (especially among more devoted fans) if it's getting you wound this tight. IMHO if either side of the argument weren't being fueled by actual fans then it wouldn't last long enough for people to care. Sad fact of life but when nothing is perfect everything becomes subject to criticism. I've found when it comes to Mass Effect in particular only the most professional critics or hardcore fans are bound by pure instinct to meticulously analyze the trilogy to the point of borderline obsession.

It sucks sometimes because most of them are unmistakably fanatical elitists each supported by their own personal troll armies, but it is what it is. It's your responsibility to ignore the wild bullshit whenever humanly possible and find comfort in the fact you aren't as consumed by a damn video game.[/QUOTE]
Yea, you are right. Most of it just stemmed from reading all the comments and the review from this site:
http://www.gamecritics.com/brad-gallaway/mass-effect-2-review

Brad Gallaway is such a douche, not just because of his review - but because of everything he does.
 
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