Metal Gear Solid 4 & Metal Gear Online - 8/6: Rumored Trophy Update Out Now? Rumor!

God I hate this fucking bike chase. I've been working on a BBE run and the bike chase in Act 3 is just killing me. I thought I was doing okay, but the last part of it with all the frogs and the Raven chasing after you is such a pain in the ass. fuck!
 
I finished the game yesterday, I enjoyed it it was cool to see how they wrapped up all of storylines of the past games. I will defiantly be replaying this game; which is saying a lot because I don't do that very often at all.
 
Finished the game this afternoon. Wasn't sure I'd be into it since I skipped Snake Eater altogether. I'll definitely start a replay tomorrow and - and I haven't done that since Resident Evil 4.
 
Sorry if this was asked/covered but:

So did Liquid's "mind" really take over Ocelot when he had his hand attached to him, or was it some mental ploy? I think Big Boss touched on it at the end, but I couldn't really follow. I had assumed Liquid's blood or whatever tainted Ocelot, but... did Big Boss say he underwent some kind of mental altering on purpose??? And what was the reason if he did.
 
The official story is that Ocelot faked it the entireeeee time. Including in MGS2, when he had Liquid's voice, that is just being brushed over. The reason there is no new Liquid voices in MGS4 is because the Japanese voice actor for Liquid died, and Kojima wanted continuity.

To answer your question, Ocelot made himself believe he was Liquid to get his plan to work. He needed to believe that he was Liquid in order to get Solid Snake to do what he did during the game.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']Sorry if this was asked/covered but:

So did Liquid's "mind" really take over Ocelot when he had his hand attached to him, or was it some mental ploy? I think Big Boss touched on it at the end, but I couldn't really follow. I had assumed Liquid's blood or whatever tainted Ocelot, but... did Big Boss say he underwent some kind of mental altering on purpose??? And what was the reason if he did.
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According to the MGS Database, Liquid really did begin to take over Ocelot's mind around the time of MGS2, and so Ocelot had the arm removed and replaced with a prosthetic.

So, "Liquid Ocelot" was really the product of Ocelot using nanomachines, hypnosis, and self-suggestion. Why? According to the database, he did this in order to hide his true intentions of releasing Big Boss and finding the whereabouts of Zero.
 
Thanks guys. I went into the database and STILL didn't quite get it. But the more I read about Ocelot the more I liked the dirty fuck'r. Just that last part was a bit hazy.
 
Just finished it tonight, and good lord that ending sequence went on FOREVER. My gf came over just after 4:00, and I was finishing up the Screaming Mantis fight then. We saw my stats screen after all the credits had rolled a little after 6:30. o_O

I'm all for story, but Kojima is in serious need of an editor. Great game, but I'm trading it in tomorrow while it still has good value. No interest in the online, and I'm sure there will be an inevitable "Substantastical" version sooner or later anyway.
 
I hate how if you want to get the reward points system to unlock new clothing you have to buy the expansion... >_<
only way of getting reward points is by playing survival... what are the rules for that game type?
 
Pretty sure I'm not getting the expansion. MGO got stale for me pretty fast, and I'm not sure if this booster has what it takes to bring me back. I do still enjoy the occasional small-scale sneaking game, at least.

That's extra lame that the rewards system is only in one gametype, which is pay-only. I was interested in seeing what customizations it offered.
 
Sorry for not sticking around bigdaddybruce44. I've been playing for like 3 hours and you join at about the last 30 minutes. I was very tired of MGO by then. We did pwn though.
 
I am new to this convo, but I don't find MGO overly compelling like the lot of you. It it really feels as if the MGO was made, and then they took everything that wasn't essential and stripped it away so they could sell it.

I know a lot of people say things like that about a lot of games. I just think the lack of options when customising your characterts, and in that one online mode you can only be snake, it just screams barebones.
 
Well I didn't find MGO an A+ additional, but it was unique and different, being a third person shooter, and having CQC and knife stuns, and traps such as magazines and sleep gas. I played the original MGO and loved it to death. It seems a lot of people may have given up on MGO for now, me as well. With the nerf to knife, problems with the expanison and lag, and the 95% of all kills being headshots that are almost entirely random. I really want to love this game, hell I got my friend to buy a PS3 just for MGO itself but it disappoints in so many way, looking back now after a month of it.
 
I just noticed they upped the points for E-Locators and I think that's the right move. When they were 750 DB, I almost always picked it than spammed it. Now I use it much much less.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']I noticed I got 10 reward points for being on a winning team of TDM last night... I thought reward points were only given out for survival games?[/QUOTE]

I think someone said that you get 10 points for logging on each day. Not sure if this is true or not.
 
[quote name='suko_32']I think someone said that you get 10 points for logging on each day. Not sure if this is true or not.[/QUOTE]

interesting... not bad... free gloves since they are 10 points. :)
 
Yup, I got 10 points each of the last 2 days just for logging on. Do the Rewards have anything to do with gameplay or is it just aesthetics?
 
So I bought the 80gb mgs4 bundle to play this game, completed acts 1-3, then returned the ps3 because my hdtv broke (getting it fixed soon). So can someone give me a decent summary of the remaining story?
 
[quote name='suko_32']I've graduated from an Eagle to a Hound now. I wish I knew what the requirements were.[/quote]

I'm a Hound, too. Don't know how I got the title, but I'll take it! :D
 
[quote name='Thirtyfour']I'm a Hound, too. Don't know how I got the title, but I'll take it! :D[/QUOTE]

Today, I went from a Hound to Doberman :)
 
[quote name='Danil ACE']So I bought the 80gb mgs4 bundle to play this game, completed acts 1-3, then returned the ps3 because my hdtv broke (getting it fixed soon). So can someone give me a decent summary of the remaining story?[/QUOTE]What??? I'd still keep the PS3 and just play on an SDTV, although it wouldn't look as nice. But if you had bills to pay or other issues, I understand.

It took me a while, but I finally just beat MGS4. I can say it's my favorite non-RPG game ever. I just love it, too much. Storyline was extremely emotional.

My Playtime was (and spoiler):
14 hours and 20 minutes, partially because I went quick through a few areas. I was in teary eyed during the ending where Naomi gave her final message on videotape, and seeing Raiden's whole situation where Little John is his son
. I'll eventually play though it again.
 
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[quote name='The Mana Knight']
My Playtime was (and spoiler):
14 hours and 20 minutes, partially because I went quick through a few areas. I was in teary eyed during the ending where Naomi gave her final message on videotape, and seeing Raiden's whole situation where Little John is his son
. I'll eventually play though it again.[/QUOTE]

WTF?!
There's no crying in videogames!
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']It didn't say in your profile?[/quote]

They say, Hound - "A Superior Soldier" and Doberman - "A Top-Class Soldier".

No hints to the requirements at all.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']It didn't say in your profile?[/quote]
It just says, "A superior soldier." A Doberman is "A top-class soldier."

EDIT: Beaten
 
OK, please explain this to me.

WHY THE fuck DID THEY NEED SNAKE!!!!

The Patriots were Ocelot, Eva, Big Boss, Major Zero, etc.

They had in their possession 1) Big Boss's corpse (and/or Solidus?) 2) Arsenal Gear 3) Naomi 4) Sunny

You have Big Boss' corpse to access GW (or whichever AI), Naomi and Sunny to create the program, and the actually physical location for GW.

I must be missing something. I loved the game, but this bugs me.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']OK, please explain this to me.

WHY THE fuck DID THEY NEED SNAKE!!!!

The Patriots were Ocelot, Eva, Big Boss, Major Zero, etc.

They had in their possession 1) Big Boss's corpse (and/or Solidus?) 2) Arsenal Gear 3) Naomi 4) Sunny

You have Big Boss' corpse to access GW (or whichever AI), Naomi and Sunny to create the program, and the actually physical location for GW.

I must be missing something. I loved the game, but this bugs me.
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I think you missed the ENTIRE plot. Ocelot's ENTIRE plan, along with Eva, was to get Solid Snake to believe he was taking down Ocelot, when in fact the entire time, Ocelot was playing Snake like a puppet. Snake at the end disables JD ( The Patriot's reign of control ) and this reanimates Big Boss, who then finds Snake to "Take zero back to one."
 
[quote name='cdietschrun']
I think you missed the ENTIRE plot. Ocelot's ENTIRE plan, along with Eva, was to get Solid Snake to believe he was taking down Ocelot, when in fact the entire time, Ocelot was playing Snake like a puppet. Snake at the end disables JD ( The Patriot's reign of control ) and this reanimates Big Boss, who then finds Snake to "Take zero back to one."
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I understand Ocelot's deception of Snake.

That's still doesn't answer my question of why Ocelot needed Snake to "Take zero back to one." Ocelot had access to everything necessary to complete his plan. Why couldn't he have taken down JD on his own?
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']
I understand Ocelot's deception of Snake.

That's still doesn't answer my question of why Ocelot needed Snake to "Take zero back to one." Ocelot had access to everything necessary to complete his plan. Why couldn't he have taken down JD on his own?
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Ocelot had to do what he did because the Patriots were not expecting him to do what he did, allowing Snake to take down JD. Otherwise, the Patriots (here I am talking about the JD + AI system) would have stopped Ocelot, had they known what he was plotting.

Zero needed to be brought back to whatever, I think I screwed the quote up earlier, but he needed to be killed to finally eliminate all traces of the Patriots. This is what Ocelot was working at since MGS1. Big Boss was revived when JD was destroyed, and he consciously came to Snake to be killed.

The reason Zero needed to be killed was so that he could not be used as a symbol, like Big Boss was used as a symbol by Zero. By taking care of both of them, that finished off the entire reign of the Patriots. Mission accomplished. Go die in freedom, Snake.

I hope that helps.
 
I wish I knew what the criteria for the special ranks were. My stats are pretty good, but I'm still stuck on eagle. I've seen plenty of people with stats that aren't as good get some of the more coveted ranks. I thought that it might have to do with only being a level 5, but I am starting to see hounds with that level, so I just don't know.

[quote name='paddlefoot']
I understand Ocelot's deception of Snake.

That's still doesn't answer my question of why Ocelot needed Snake to "Take zero back to one." Ocelot had access to everything necessary to complete his plan. Why couldn't he have taken down JD on his own?
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Unless we went to Kojima's house and demanded an answer, I don't think we will ever really know why exactly things had to play out as they did. It isn't explained in the game, and the Database simply says that Ocelot needed to hide his true intentions of releasing Big Boss and finding Zero.

My best guess is just that the "anti-Patriots," if you will, could not let the AIs know exactly what they were up to, or else they could have defended against it in some way. By having Ocelot pretend to be Liquid, it made it seem like they were up against a different type of enemy. Then, they would put Snake into play, and he would become the "carrier boy" one last time.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I wish I knew what the criteria for the special ranks were. My stats are pretty good, but I'm still stuck on eagle. I've seen plenty of people with stats that aren't as good get some of the more coveted ranks. I thought that it might have to do with only being a level 5, but I am starting to see hounds with that level, so I just don't know.

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I thought it had something to do with your win/loss ratio, but after checking some of the clan members' stats, including yours, I really don't know.

Don't even get me started on how the levels work. It takes me forever to gain a level, yet I could get knocked down a level for no reason at all. :bomb:
 
I do believe the ranks are determined by the people you kill. Kill a lot of higher ranked people, and your rank goes up. Get a killed a lot by lower ranked people, and your rank goes down. It makes sense to me, because my rank was shooting up early on, when I was like a 2 or 3 and playing 4s and 5s. Now, I mostly play around my level, and it never goes up, no matter what.
 
[quote name='Thirtyfour']I thought it had something to do with your win/loss ratio, but after checking some of the clan members' stats, including yours, I really don't know.

Don't even get me started on how the levels work. It takes me forever to gain a level, yet I could get knocked down a level for no reason at all. :bomb:[/quote]

In the first MGO the hound, doberman, fox, etc. ranks were a combination of kd ratio, headshots, and wins to losses in various modes IIRC.
 
Trying to finish this in time for FFIV DS, but the beginning of Act V is kickin' my ass.

I'm actually digging the story a great deal, and will undoubtedly be replaying this. I can imagine it's much more exciting without the 12 hours or so of cutscenes.

And then I can learn to stop sucking at MGO and play with y'all.
 
[quote name='primetime']In the first MGO the hound, doberman, fox, etc. ranks were a combination of kd ratio, headshots, and wins to losses in various modes IIRC.[/quote]

Actually, headshots only mattered for eagle. Hound and doberman were determined by K/D ratio (with stuns also factored in) and win percentage. Then, FOX and FOXHOUND, in addition to the KD and win requirements, also factored in "staying alive" in rescue and sneaking mission, while also requiring you to be highly ranked in either one particular game type or in the overall rankings.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Actually, headshots only mattered for eagle. Hound and doberman were determined by K/D ratio (with stuns also factored in) and win percentage. Then, FOX and FOXHOUND, in addition to the KD and win requirements, also factored in "staying alive" in rescue and sneaking mission, while also requiring you to be highly ranked in either one particular game type or in the overall rankings.[/quote]

You're probably right.
 
Yeah, one of the requirements in MGO1 for Fox and Foxhound was to be in the top 200 and 100 (receptively) in any category.

I don't think it's the same for this game, because there's too many people. If I log in tomorrow and it mysteriously changes back to Doberman, then I'm dead wrong :p

Edit: Looks like my level went down from 6 to 5 though.
 
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Jesus Christ.

I was WAY into this game, the storyline ties it built, the writing...everything. Until the very end.

The boss fight at the end was great, but by the time the ending scenes finally (finally? Finally? FINALLY? ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOU'RE NOT DONE YET???) ended, I was pissed at the arrogance of Konami and Kojima productions - first, for their failure to distill a proper ending into a short timeframe - it went on for FAR too fucking long; and second, for the hamfisted and longwinded yet unnecessary dialogue that happened during the ending.

Yes, Big Boss showing up was a surprise and a nice one at that, but by the time he finally died, the emotion was *long* fuckin' gone from the scene, since he lived for what felt like 15-20 minutes of "I'm...dying...sigh...gasp...BUT WAIT! I have to tell you fifteen different "one last things" first!"

That and the length of the credits really stretched my fuckin' patience.

I hope that there are no more medals/badges/whatever I need to earn by watching all those cutscenes again. I'd rather put my own gun in my mouth.

All that said, the game itself was phenomenal. I was just pissed off beyond belief that they were arrogant enough to put together such a corny, hackneyed ending that took 60+ minutes to do what could have been done, and been done better, in 20-30.
 
[quote name='suko_32']Yeah, one of the requirements in MGO1 for Fox and Foxhound was to be in the top 200 and 100 (receptively) in any category.

I don't think it's the same for this game, because there's too many people. If I log in tomorrow and it mysteriously changes back to Doberman, then I'm dead wrong :p

Edit: Looks like my level went down from 6 to 5 though.[/quote]

Foxhound was top 30 in MGO1. :X
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Jesus Christ.

I was WAY into this game, the storyline ties it built, the writing...everything. Until the very end.

The boss fight at the end was great, but by the time the ending scenes finally (finally? Finally? FINALLY? ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOU'RE NOT DONE YET???) ended, I was pissed at the arrogance of Konami and Kojima productions - first, for their failure to distill a proper ending into a short timeframe - it went on for FAR too fucking long; and second, for the hamfisted and longwinded yet unnecessary dialogue that happened during the ending.

Yes, Big Boss showing up was a surprise and a nice one at that, but by the time he finally died, the emotion was *long* fuckin' gone from the scene, since he lived for what felt like 15-20 minutes of "I'm...dying...sigh...gasp...BUT WAIT! I have to tell you fifteen different "one last things" first!"

That and the length of the credits really stretched my fuckin' patience.

I hope that there are no more medals/badges/whatever I need to earn by watching all those cutscenes again. I'd rather put my own gun in my mouth.

All that said, the game itself was phenomenal. I was just pissed off beyond belief that they were arrogant enough to put together such a corny, hackneyed ending that took 60+ minutes to do what could have been done, and been done better, in 20-30.[/quote]

Lol, jesus, relax. You don't have to watch them again, and some of us paid to watch all these cutscenes and enjoy. I for one enjoy it.
 
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