MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

Wow. The Phillies were able to deal for Oswalt and coerced the Astros into paying nearly half of Oswalt's salary with a still-recovering Happ (forearm strain) and a couple of speedy prospects. Houston then flipped one of them for Brett Wallace, who was coincidentally involved the Halladay trade.

I'm very pleased with the deal. They were able to avoid trading top hitting prospect Jonathon Singleton. I agree with what Jimbo said earlier though, you look at the season Cliff Lee is having, and anybody would like to have him this year. However, Amaro was able to get the best pitcher at the trade deadline (again) and hopefully they can keep trending upward.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']Wow. The Phillies were able to deal for Oswalt and coerced the Astros into paying nearly half of Oswalt's salary with a still-recovering Happ (forearm strain) and a couple of speedy prospects. Houston then flipped one of them for Brett Wallace, who was coincidentally involved the Halladay trade.

I'm very pleased with the deal. They were able to avoid trading top hitting prospect Jonathon Singleton. I agree with what Jimbo said earlier though, you look at the season Cliff Lee is having, and anybody would like to have him this year. However, Amaro was able to get the best pitcher at the trade deadline (again) and hopefully they can keep trending upward.[/QUOTE]

That is going to be a very sick rotation for the next 3-5 years.

hahaha im laughing at the Toronto Blue Jays. Really, they want Wilmer Flores for a 34 year old Scott Downs. as great as downs is this year..he is not worth Flores or Montero. Man their new GM is becoming delusional like Ricciardi.
 
D'Backs trade Edwin Jackson to the ChiSox for Dan Hudson and David Holmberg. I believe Chicago is also picking up Jackson's remaining salary.

I like this trade, is it just me or did we get a better package for Jackson than we did for Haren?
 
Sounds like Jackson might be traded off for Dunn.

Hudson was pretty good in the minors but has struggled this year in Chicago. 11 walks and 17 hits in 15.2 innings.


Holmberg is an 18 year old rookie ball pitcher who hasn't shown anything yet.
 
Berkman is being held out of the lineup tonight for the Astros.


Berkman to the Yankees on the verge of completion according to Joel Shermans Twitter.
 
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Yeah, Swisher, Granderson and Gardner are all hitting and playing great defense in the OF and Tex is the 1B.

Berkman cannot hit left handers, probably more of a platoon DH.


Adam Dunn is announcing that he is open to DH'ing now.
 
Further notes on the Yankees potential deal with Berkman. Looks like the Yankees are trading Juan Miranda. Berkman has made it be known that he wants his club option for 2011 declined and most likely wants to return to Houston.


Davidoff says it's for a 'non-prospect minor leaguer', wow.

http://twitter.com/K...ses/19940254307

Rosenthal says it will take 24 hours to clear:

# Ken_Rosenthal

A twist on Berkman: Due to his 10-5 rts, trade to #Yankees would not be official until after expiration of 24-hr window (Source says he gave approval earlier today, so everything should be OK. But official word would not be until Sat. aft.
 
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Interesting pick ups by the Yanks the past two days. Kearns, Berkman, and now Wood. Between Granderson, Posada, Thames, and now these two, I hope they can all keep their egos in check. Also...isn't Johnson supposed to be back in August? I know that's not saying much...but damn, there's not even enough bench spots for all these guys.

Posada's been so banged up lately, I don't know how many more games behind the plate he even has in him. But he still claims he doesn't want to be a full-time DH, so how he can blame the Yankees for going out and getting one? As great as Posada has been for this team, if he's not willing to shift to DH, he might find himself with no place to play. One thing's for sure though. The Yanks sure are loaded up for September! I don't even know if they'll have room on the bench to call up any rookies, haha. :)
 
Here's hoping the Red Sox move Lowell through waivers, to atleast get something for him, before he retires. Salty isn't too bad a pick up, hopefully he can turn it around in Bean Town.

Too bad the Reds stood pat, would've liked them to do something. Should be interesting in the Central. Hopefully the Reds bats play better down the stretch than the Cards pitching....yeah right. If they don't make the post season, I hope for a Mets like fall and Baker being fired.
 
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Sox have a pulse. If they had lost today it would've been over.


They picked up Saltalamacchia for nothing, and he's reporting to Pawtucket because he's a mess behind the plate. He was rushed to the big leagues too fast based on his bat, before he learned how to play his position.

They're going to try and fill the holes on the roster from their minor league system and see what kind of minor moves they can make in August. They have enough prospects close to ready that it isn't raising the white flag, Kalish started in left field and went 2 for 4 with an RBI, looked pretty polished at the plate.

We'll see what Bowden and Doubront can do in the pen. Ramon Ramirez was dealt, Hermida was designated for assignment, and they'll probably still try to get rid of Lowell. There have been a number of situations in the last few days where they could've used him as a pinch hitter, and they really need another bat, but theres nowhere to play him.
 
[quote name='DomLando']So is the fire Jerry Manuel watch on yet?[/QUOTE]

i think at this point its beyond Jerry. The Mets made no moves at the deadline because i have to agree that the asking price was too high for the Mets and every team wanted Niese/Davis/Thole. i couldnt part with Davis or Niese and at this point Thole because he is showing some great potential. But when your hitters are chasing every single pitch, your going to lose. This is last year but without critical injuries.

Jerry can make bad moves...but its not like he has the tools to really win the game..When you have auto-outs at nearly every position..I can't blame him at this point. I mean wright and davis are the only proven hitters in the lineup and Reyes is still far away from being the old Reyes. Just stick a knife in them. They are done. No way they will beat Atlanta and Philly. Those two teams made deals to make them better..and they are gaining steam....Mets all but fail this season.
 
Crazy week in the East. The lowly Nats take 2 of 3 from the Braves and let the Phils catch up a bit. At least the Nats took 2 out of 3 from the Phils though. Was REALLY hoping for a sweep though. Living with a Philly fan, it would have been so gratifying.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']i think at this point its beyond Jerry. The Mets made no moves at the deadline because i have to agree that the asking price was too high for the Mets and every team wanted Niese/Davis/Thole. i couldnt part with Davis or Niese and at this point Thole because he is showing some great potential. But when your hitters are chasing every single pitch, your going to lose. This is last year but without critical injuries.

Jerry can make bad moves...but its not like he has the tools to really win the game..When you have auto-outs at nearly every position..I can't blame him at this point. I mean wright and davis are the only proven hitters in the lineup and Reyes is still far away from being the old Reyes. Just stick a knife in them. They are done. No way they will beat Atlanta and Philly. Those two teams made deals to make them better..and they are gaining steam....Mets all but fail this season.[/QUOTE]

Ike is hitting under .250 lately so no way do I see him has a proven hitter. He chases more pitches than anyone, but he is young and I expect that. Reyes has a 12 game or longer hitting streak, and has been getting back in a groove. Pagan and Wright have been our two best hitters all year. They obviously have issues on offense (Bay slumping all year, no production from anyone who plays second, etc.) and we have to give Beltran some time, the guy has been out of baseball for a year. Manuel still needs to go. I just assume that he will be first before Minaya. You definitely cannot put all the blame on Jerry but managers are usually first to go. I am just waiting for the Wilpons to man up and fire Minaya.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Ike is hitting under .250 lately so no way do I see him has a proven hitter. He chases more pitches than anyone, but he is young and I expect that. Reyes has a 12 game or longer hitting streak, and has been getting back in a groove. Pagan and Wright have been our two best hitters all year. They obviously have issues on offense (Bay slumping all year, no production from anyone who plays second, etc.) and we have to give Beltran some time, the guy has been out of baseball for a year. Manuel still needs to go. I just assume that he will be first before Minaya. You definitely cannot put all the blame on Jerry but managers are usually first to go. I am just waiting for the Wilpons to man up and fire Minaya.[/QUOTE]

Pagan is having an All star like season isnt he. So glad he finally broke out. The Manager will go first and Minaya has to go with him. I mean did you see the stadium yesterday. i felt bad for Frank Cashen/Davey Johnson/Daryl/Doc...because there were only 1/3 of the fans in the seats to celebrate the Mets HoF. I do hope the fans wake up and start to not show up to games. It will maybe wake up ownership to do something for once. I still think Kevin Towers would be an ideal replacement for Minaya.

The Wilpons are getting sued about the madoff losses and i hope they lose. They are really a bunch of assholes. I hate them more and more after reading this article and i hope they are forced to sell the franchise in the next coming years.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/beaned_by_mets_bernie_fMhTBOqgniE4EaXNk7GX7J
 
Gruesome injury to Carlos Santana of the Indians. Tried to stick one leg way out to block the plate and had his knee possibly blown out by Ryan Kalish. Got the runner out though.
 
[quote name='shosh']Selig not liking him was pure speculation. Cuban was able to put in a formal bid for the cubs. He just wasn't able to raise the funds to get the team. The ricketts where the only ones who could secure that type of money. Tribune was the ones that decided who got the team, not MLB. Although they did need approval in the end, Cuban was never rejected.[/QUOTE]

That's not what Dan Patrick said. He said it again last week when talking about Cuban being approved to buy the Rangers. True Selig never said it publically, but it was reported by enough media sources that I believe it, especially Patrick. He doesn't BS with wishy-washy sources.

Here's an excerpt from a Sporting News.com article from 2008 retelling the story in the Sun-Times that Cuban won't be approved to bid on the Cubs.

Sporting News

Posted: November 7, 2008

"As popular as Mark Cuban might be with the fans, he apparently isn't a favorite of the powers-that-be in Major League Baseball. The Chicago Sun-Times reports Cuban -- one of five final bidders for the franchise and Wrigley Field -- won't get much further in the bidding process.

That's because the "old guard" in Major League Baseball is less than enamored with the idea of Cuban joining the leadership ranks in the sport, according to a Major League Baseball source.

"There's no way Bud (Selig) and the owners are going to let that happen," the source told the Chicago Sun-Times. "Zero chance." Major League Baseball must approve the sale of the team, regardless of who buys it.

That same source told the newspaper that he doesn't expect the Cubs to be sold by opening day of the 2009 season. The team officially was put on the market on opening day of 2007, but the process has gone slowly thus far. And the weakening global economy could slow it even more."

And SportsByBrooks take on the sale of the Rangers, that also notes Cuban being denied a Cubs bid.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/mlb-threatens-to-terminate-rangers-franchise-28702

FYI I like Cuban but I'm glad he didn't get the Cubs purely for selfish reasons, the Cards would be DONE if Cuban owned the Cubs in the current salary structure.
 
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[quote name='yukine']I don't get why Tampa finds value in Qualls? All he is going to do in the AL East is get shelled.[/QUOTE]

I guess he was all that was available since their reliever got hurt rasslin' with the pitching coach?
 
And as soon as I defend the Cards bullpen, they blow the opening game for Westbrook tonight. Although LaRussa should know by now that Motte can't do more than 1 inning, then the normally reliable Trevor Miller gets shelled against the lefties he was brought in to face.
 
[quote name='JoeJohn']The Mets have given up this year and preparing for next year.

The Yanks are going after the wild card this year.[/QUOTE]

The Mets are hopeless. They played so flat and with no urgency last night. Well I guess its time for football and then later to endure another nightmarish season thanks to one of the NY's worst teams in the city.

I'm waiting for the nats to blow them right by. The Nats are only 6 games out of 4th place...and we have a road trip playing two teams that are proven winners....Well once the back to back sweeps are done and if the Nats go on a 6 game tear....we could be looking at Last Place. Man if my week couldnt be any more crappier. Transmission blows up, vacation was downer, and the Mets continue to suck at home and on the road. Well i guess i can look up from this point on.
 
Youkilis could be out for the year with a torn muscle in his thumb.

Lowell activated today, huge ovation for him when he was announced for his first at bat. Crowd was still on their feet cheering when he hit a 2 run home run on the first pitch. Nobody deserves it more than Lowell.
 
White Sox vs. Tigers on ESPN Wednesday Night Baseball. It's Edwin Jackson's debut with the Sox. Sox lead 1-0 heading into the 2nd, after splitting a double header yesterday.
 
I hate to say it, but you know shit sucks when you have to salvage, or attempt in this series, a series split with the Mariners and Indians. And have a sub .500 record against the Orioles. Hoping for someone to kick the Sox in the ass and get them to sweep the Yankees this weekend.
 
Its a bridge year and it always was. They admitted as much when they never picked up a bat better than Eric Patterson.

By the way, how do you miss 4 months of baseball with cracked ribs? Wes Welker is playing fucking football 7 months after destroying his ACL. Ellsbury is Nomar now, the Nomar that refused to enter a game in extra innings against the Yankees while Derek Jeter was running into the stands at full speed to make a catch. Ellsbury is done here.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Its a bridge year and it always was. They admitted as much when they never picked up a bat better than Eric Patterson.

By the way, how do you miss 4 months of baseball with cracked ribs? Wes Welker is playing fucking football 7 months after destroying his ACL. Ellsbury is Nomar now, the Nomar that refused to enter a game in extra innings against the Yankees while Derek Jeter was running into the stands at full speed to make a catch. Ellsbury is done here.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I know. It was just awesome seeing them bust their asses with the first set of injuries. Sad thing is, the AL East is the only division that they aren't within a good series of being in first place.

I'm fine with a transition year, especially since the Reds are actually showing signs of life into August. Hopefully the make the playoffs, assuming the Red Sox are in fact done, and make some noise.

Hopefully Ellsbury shows sign hustle and desire, so he can be sent packing to Atlanta. Hopefully for a nice return. If Ellsbury goes, do you think Theo goes balls to the walls for Crawford, assuming he isn't signed? You know Cameron isn't going to be much of anything next season and even if Kalish comes up for time, there's still a spot open in the OF.

Youk needs to go the surgery route and be ready for next year. Pedroia should rest, but he'll be out there soon. Youk probably too, but they both need to rest. Either way, it will be an interesting off season.
 
Whats the point of putting out a full fledge rant tonight. another shit series by the shittiest NL team in baseball. And yes we are the shittiest because they have no excuse now. They should just bring up the kids to play now. I would love to see havens/misch/gee/nieuwenhuis....shit i might as well go watch the Bisons play. At least they have care for the game.

Oh yeah, Carlos Beltran is fucking finished. Just move to right already and let Pagan handle center. Torii Hunter did.

oh yeah im getting a kick out of every NYM beat writer just straight up bashing this team. Kevin Burkhardt even trashed them. For him to do that...than you know you really suck.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Whats the point of putting out a full fledge rant tonight. another shit series by the shittiest NL team in baseball. And yes we are the shittiest because they have no excuse now. They should just bring up the kids to play now. I would love to see havens/misch/gee/nieuwenhuis....shit i might as well go watch the Bisons play. At least they have care for the game.

Oh yeah, Carlos Beltran is fucking finished. Just move to right already and let Pagan handle center. Torii Hunter did.

oh yeah im getting a kick out of every NYM beat writer just straight up bashing this team. Kevin Burkhardt even trashed them. For him to do that...than you know you really suck.[/QUOTE]

Lets give Beltran some time before we say he is finished. I do agree that Pagan is the better option in CF right now. And Beltran should bat down in the order until he gets back into form.

What the heck happened to Mike Pelfrey? The first half of the season he looked great and I thought he finally turned the corner. I knew he would never be an Ace but a good number 2 guy was always in his reach. After the start he had this year I thought the 2nd half wouldn't be as good but he would be a quality guy. Then the Pelfrey from last year came back. I don't get it.
 
The White Sox gave up a 3 run HR with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th that tied the game, but they pulled out a 6-4 win in 11 innings to take the series with Detroit 3 games to 1. That was a nailbiter. Detroit left 2 men on at the end there.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Its a bridge year and it always was. They admitted as much when they never picked up a bat better than Eric Patterson.
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I don't buy that. It's a bridge year now that they've had one of the worst runs of injuries in Major League history, but if this team had been even remotely healthy they would be right there with the Yankees and Rays, maybe even better.

Personally, I'm glad they didn't go out and try to do anything. Their crap luck (and given the freak nature of most of their injuries, that's exactly what it is) doesn't look likely to turn around anytime soon, so I'd rather they just pack it in and get ready for next year.

Youks is now out for the season. If that had happened last week, I would have expected them to be sellers. It's over for them this year, and I'm okay with that.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Lets give Beltran some time before we say he is finished. I do agree that Pagan is the better option in CF right now. And Beltran should bat down in the order until he gets back into form.

What the heck happened to Mike Pelfrey? The first half of the season he looked great and I thought he finally turned the corner. I knew he would never be an Ace but a good number 2 guy was always in his reach. After the start he had this year I thought the 2nd half wouldn't be as good but he would be a quality guy. Then the Pelfrey from last year came back. I don't get it.[/QUOTE]

Pelfrey's FIP and xFIP screamed regression all season long. Simply put, his luck ran out.

See also: Phil Hughes, Ubaldo Jimenez (who is STILL outperforming his peripherals), Livan Hernandez (any day now)
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Pelfrey's FIP and xFIP screamed regression all season long. Simply put, his luck ran out.

See also: Phil Hughes, Ubaldo Jimenez (who is STILL outperforming his peripherals), Livan Hernandez (any day now)[/QUOTE]

I think what this screams for these pitchers (the younger ones anyway) is a better conditioning program is needed. The way it appears for guys like Pelfrey and Hughes is that they're just running out of gas. You can almost see the invisible wall they're hitting as the innings count climbs higher and higher.

Say what you want about Clemens and HGH, but the guy did have a ridiculous workout regimen, which he learned from Nolan Ryan, and he passed on to Andy Pettitte. If Hughes wants a shot at being half as good as these guys, he needs to condition his body to not wear out by the ASB. If Joba isn't too far gone, he sure as hell could use one too. If you want to limit how much a kid throws, fine. But there's no reason they can't work on strengthening their lower body and core.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I don't buy that. It's a bridge year now that they've had one of the worst runs of injuries in Major League history, but if this team had been even remotely healthy they would be right there with the Yankees and Rays, maybe even better.

Personally, I'm glad they didn't go out and try to do anything. Their crap luck (and given the freak nature of most of their injuries, that's exactly what it is) doesn't look likely to turn around anytime soon, so I'd rather they just pack it in and get ready for next year.

Youks is now out for the season. If that had happened last week, I would have expected them to be sellers. It's over for them this year, and I'm okay with that.[/QUOTE]
Injuries aren't why their bullpen sucks. Injuries aren't why they went with Darnell McDonald, Daniel Nava, Bill Hall, and Eric Patterson in the outfield instead of making a trade. Even an average outfielder blows those guys away. Injuries aren't why they replaced Jason Bay with Mike Cameron. I mean, seriously? The 2nd highest payroll in baseball has an outfield consisting of Mike Cameron, Jacoby Ellsbury, and J.D. Drew? Injuries aren't why this run prevention bullshit didn't work, they've got 35+ errors on the left side of their infield alone.

What they've had to deal with is more than I've ever seen, but the Sox have this habit of going out and getting old and brittle players and then throwing up their hands when they get hurt and writing it off as something they could never have foreseen.

They make these fucking cheap moves year after year, like John Smoltz and Brad Penney last year. They're in the position they're in because of the team they constructed in the offseason.
 
Yes, losing Youkilis hurts. He's their best player. But you're only going from Youkilis to Lowell, this isn't like the other guys where a AAA player replaced a starter. They can hang in there with Lowell at 1st.

But they need drastic help in that bullpen and they badly needed any legitimate major league corner outfielder. A completely pedestrian guy in that position would be a big upgrade over what they've got now, though Kalish is bailing them out a little.

They are in trouble in the outfield because Jeremy Hermida completely shit the bed. Theo can't blame anyone but himself for that.
 
Also I have to think Sox fans have to start wondering about their pitching coach. I know the NL isn't as hard as the AL to pitch in, but you have to wonder how Smoltz and Penny (before he got hurt this year) went from 5-7 run ERA's in Boston and have around a 3-4 run ERA in St. Louis. It can't ALL be competition level can it?
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']Also I have to think Sox fans have to start wondering about their pitching coach. I know the NL isn't as hard as the AL to pitch in, but you have to wonder how Smoltz and Penny (before he got hurt this year) went from 5-7 run ERA's in Boston and have around a 3-4 run ERA in St. Louis. It can't ALL be competition level can it?[/QUOTE]
When you go from the AL east to the NL, its like going from facing major leaguers to high schoolers
 
[quote name='shosh']When you go from the AL east to the NL, its like going from facing major leaguers to high schoolers[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on skill level.
 
Yes, because Johan Santana instantly became so much better when he went to the NL.

Oh, and dafoomie: If Cameron and Ellsbury had been healthy, that trio would have been a solid outfield.

It's also comical that you seem to be taking a swipe at Beltre's defense.
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']Also I have to think Sox fans have to start wondering about their pitching coach. I know the NL isn't as hard as the AL to pitch in, but you have to wonder how Smoltz and Penny (before he got hurt this year) went from 5-7 run ERA's in Boston and have around a 3-4 run ERA in St. Louis. It can't ALL be competition level can it?[/QUOTE]


You seem to be discounting the All Mighty Dave Duncan and Tony LaRussa
 
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