MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

[quote name='KingBroly']Man, the Sox suck this year. We're worse than the Nationals for crying out loud! How is that even possible? At least we're not as bad as the Orioles.

Good & Bad note: Grew up between Baltimore and DC, so I grew up watching Orioles games. Dad is now a Nationals fan since he's always been a Senators fan, so I get to watch a few Nationals games with him.[/QUOTE]

How they manage to fuck up bases loaded, with no one out in the 11th is beyond me. The more Ortiz struggles, the quicker he'll be benched...or designated for assignment.
 
why mcarver i s going on about that play at second is sickening, valdes the inning earlier was way safer than that guy was
 
Game over, Mets win. I am pissed that Pujols didn't get another at bat. I cant picture him wanting to stay in St Louis with that mess of an offense surrounding him.


LaRussa managing is beyond over managing. He puts the pitchers spot in the lineup after a double swtich behind Pujols. How can you let the best hitter in the game be pitched around time and time again?

Let me rephrase that. He takes the second best hitter out of the game in Holliday and takes the bat out of the best hitter in baseball in Pujols. What a Genius!
 
Little midget is on some serious juice to have 5 homeruns in the first 2 weeks. Wow, he has less hair on his head than Hulk Hogan. Dustie needs to lay off the juice.
 
Man, the Dodgers pretty much shit the bed today, eh? I've watched every game this season, but I gave up on this one when it was 7-0 Giants. San Fran ended up winning 9-0.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Little midget is on some serious juice to have 5 homeruns in the first 2 weeks. Wow, he has less hair on his head than Hulk Hogan. Dustie needs to lay off the juice.[/QUOTE]

Small Sample Size, yeah? Michael Jordan was balding at 26.

Stop being a homer.

Matt:

Kind of hard to blame the Dodgers in this game. They were up against Lincecum, and Furcal, Manny, and Martin had the day off.

Speaking of Tim... dude's velocity is completely gone. His fastball was sitting at 88 for most of the day. His changeup is the best pitch in baseball, his curveball is disgusting, his slider is killer, his split finger drops off a cliff, and his 2-seamer moves six inches (does he have any other pitches? God this guy is amazing), but when you go from throwing your fastball for an average of 94 MPH for an entire season to having trouble hitting 90 MPH in two years... that's not good.

Did he throw a 4-seamer until last year, and switch to a 2-seam fastball? That would explain 3-5 MPH.
 
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Sox Run Prevention Defense. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
 
Jason Marquis sucks. So far in the top of the first:

7 ER
1 Walk
2 Batters Hit
0 Outs

He was taken out after getting NO OUTS. NO OUTS. NO fuckING outs!

EDIT: And now it's 10-0 Milkwaukee with 1 out. WTF
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Jason Marquis sucks. So far in the top of the first:

7 ER
1 Walk
2 Batters Hit
0 Outs

He was taken out after getting NO OUTS. NO OUTS. NO fuckING outs!

EDIT: And now it's 10-0 Milkwaukee with 1 out. WTF[/QUOTE]

Mets fans should be happy that Omar didn't go after him. Craig Counsell of all people hit a grand slam.
 
The way LaGenius managed that game drove me absolutely nuts. I'm usually LaRussa neutral, but games like that make me want to join the still sizeable crowd that wants him out of town for good.

If the Cards lose out on home field advantage, or heaven forbid, miss the playoffs by 1-2 games, we'll have no one to blame but LaRussa for that third game in the opening series @ CIN and yesterday's game (well maybe McClellan for blowing the game last Sunday night.)
 
[quote name='62t']and Lincecum has more RBIs than ERs and his RBIs is tied with how many walks he allowed with 3.[/QUOTE]

That is bananas.

Looking over some other goofy early season stats, Roy Halladay has more wins than BB's given.

Also, his batting average is more than double his ERA. lol.
 
One thing I'm interested in tonight, especially after yesterday, is that this is the first time the Mets have faced Wainwright since the 06 NLCS. The last 3 years the Cards and Mets played, they just missed Wainwright in the rotation, or he was hurt.

It's kinda crazy how the fortunes of the Mets and Cards changed that night. Although the Cards struggled to get over .500 in 07 and 08, Wainwright has developed into one of the top 10 starters in baseball and the Mets painfully choked away division titles in 07/08 and now their core, which looked to be the best in the NL in 06, has been surpassed by the Phillies, Dodgers, and even the Cardinals after last year.

I kinda wish Billy Bob Thornton would produce an ESPN 30-on-30 style movie, Wainwright vs. Beltran. I think it would be a sweet 2 hour movie.
 
I am still trying to figure out why LaGenius took out his second best hitter in the lineup (Holliday) to replace it with the pitchers spot and take the bat out of Pujols hands.


Longoria hits a double that should have been caught but Cameron had a poor jump and then Pena just crushed one to dead center. 2-0 Rays.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I am still trying to figure out why LaGenius took out his second best hitter in the lineup (Holliday) to replace it with the pitchers spot and take the bat out of Pujols hands.[/QUOTE]

One of the many things I yelled myself hoarse about yesterday. Why did we trade for him and pay him $100 million again? Oh yeah, SO TEAMS WOULDN'T AUTO IBB PUJOLS LATE IN GAMES!

And oh yeah so LaGenius wouldn't bat the pitcher 8th at the beginning of every game.
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']One of the many things I yelled myself hoarse about yesterday. Why did we trade for him and pay him $100 million again? Oh yeah, SO TEAMS WOULDN'T AUTO IBB PUJOLS LATE IN GAMES!

And oh yeah so LaGenius wouldn't bat the pitcher 8th at the beginning of every game.[/QUOTE]

I read that Holliday came out of the game because he was sick. Still stupid to put the pitcher behind Pujols. I am still laughing from that Ludwick stolen base/ hit and run in the 19th inning.
 
Yankees are 9-3 to start the season against the Sox, Rays, Angels and Rangers. Life is sweet.

How in the world are the Pirates 7-5 and half a game out of first?
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']The same way the Royals started hot last season. It's 12 games into the season.[/QUOTE]

Yes, baseball is almost at the 1/10 mark. Cant win a World Series in April but you can lose one. Orioles are on the verge of going 2-12 to start the season in the toughest division. They were done before the season started but now they are Mathematically done.

I dont think anybody predicted the Pirates of all teams to start off this well.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']Ugg, another day and another quality start wasted by an inept Cubs offense and bullpen:bomb::bomb::bomb:[/QUOTE]

How do Cubs fans deal with blowing games in the 9th/10th innings to the stros? On the bright side it wasn't the Cardinals.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']They were done before the season started but now they are Mathematically done.[/QUOTE]

No they aren't. Not an O's fan but don't spat nonsense please.

Are they likely to win? No. But no team will be mathematically done till August at the absolute earliest.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']No they aren't. Not an O's fan but don't spat nonsense please.

Are they likely to win? No. But no team will be mathematically done till August at the absolute earliest.[/QUOTE]

Yankees are a 10 on a scale of 1-10.
Rays are a 9.
Sox are an 8.8
Blue Jays are an 8
Orioles are a 5.

Orioles season is over. AL East requires a second place team to win around 94 games to make the playoffs as the WC. Division Champ is between 97-100 wins. You cannot lose more than 66 games to make the playoffs. It's the start of the 3rd full week of the season and the Orioles have 11 loses. They are done and they do not have the talent to compete on the day to day basis with the top 3 teams let alone the 4th team.

Orioles have 2 starting pitchers, a 2b who is injured, a catcher, decent OF"ers in all 3 spots. They have zero depth, zero starting pitching outside of the top and the worst bullpen in baseball. That is not a recipe for making the playoffs.
 
Heyward is the real deal for the Braves. Won the game today with a walkoff 2 rbi single with 2 out in the 9th.

Hitting .302 with 3 homers and 15 RBI through 12 games. I was skeptical he'd live up to the hype, but so far he has for sure.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Heyward is the real deal for the Braves. Won the game today with a walkoff 2 rbi single with 2 out in the 9th.

Hitting .302 with 3 homers and 15 RBI through 12 games. I was skeptical he'd live up to the hype, but so far he has for sure.[/QUOTE]

So far so good. I want to see how teams handle him the second time around and what adjustments he makes. He also needs to cut down on the k's.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']White Sox are losing 7-0 to the Indians. I still cant believe people picked the Sox to win the Central.[/QUOTE]

Really? This year aside, your beloved Yankees have often started seasons terribly, and came back to win the division. We're 2 weeks in. To count anyone out would be foolish. That division has always been very competitive... although I will admit that the Twins have looked obscenely good these past 2 weeks.

Awesome pitcher's duel in Los Angeles, after that 9-0 beatdown the Dodgers took yesterday. San Fran goes up 1-0 in the 7th on a Juan Uribe solo shot. Going into the 8th, both teams had only 4 hits. After Garrett Anderson was walked, Barry Zito- who looked like the Zito of old- was removed. The reliever promptly gave up a 2 run pinch hit homer to Manny Ramirez. Broxton came on and closed it out in 8 pitches. The Dodgers are now back to .500, at 6-6. Great game.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']So far so good. I want to see how teams handle him the second time around and what adjustments he makes. He also needs to cut down on the k's.[/QUOTE]

Yep to both.

He does have a good eye when he uses it. Walked in a run with the bases loaded earlier in the game.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Really? This year aside, your beloved Yankees have often started seasons terribly, and came back to win the division. We're 2 weeks in. To count anyone out would be foolish. That division has always been very competitive... although I will admit that the Twins have looked obscenely good these past 2 weeks.

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All due respect to your White Sox, Twins are flat out scary with their lineup. Mauer, Morneau, Kubel and Cuddyer are all 30 HR's, 100 RBI's. Hudson, Hardy and Span are all slighty to above average.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Yankees are a 10 on a scale of 1-10.
Rays are a 9.
Sox are an 8.8
Blue Jays are an 8
Orioles are a 5.

Orioles season is over. AL East requires a second place team to win around 94 games to make the playoffs as the WC. Division Champ is between 97-100 wins. You cannot lose more than 66 games to make the playoffs. It's the start of the 3rd full week of the season and the Orioles have 11 loses. They are done and they do not have the talent to compete on the day to day basis with the top 3 teams let alone the 4th team.

Orioles have 2 starting pitchers, a 2b who is injured, a catcher, decent OF"ers in all 3 spots. They have zero depth, zero starting pitching outside of the top and the worst bullpen in baseball. That is not a recipe for making the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Please learn what mathematically eliminated means. Like I said, Baltimore is not likely to make the playoffs, but they are by no means eliminated.

Also, stop being such a homer.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']All due respect to your White Sox, Twins are flat out scary with their lineup. Mauer, Morneau, Kubel and Cuddyer are all 30 HR's, 100 RBI's. Hudson, Hardy and Span are all slighty to above average.[/QUOTE]

There's almost no chance Mauer hits 30 home runs, in this or any other season. I touched on his crazy spike in HR/FB% in paragraph three of an earlier post:

[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Mauer has already caught 5300 big league innings; Posada didn't hit that mark until he was 30. I've got to think that Mauer will see more and more time at DH/1B and less at C starting even this season, otherwise the Twins are looking to get about 140 full games tops out of him per year.

Aside from wear and tear, here's what I'd be most concerned about with Mauer and his contract:

Age, season, BABIP, OPS, IsoP, BB%, K%, LD%, FB%, HR/FB%,

23, 2006, .364, .936, .159, 13.0, 10.4, 24.9, 25.8, 10.8
24, 2007, .319, .808, .133, 12.1, 12.6, 17.9, 27.6, 7.2
25, 2008, .342, .864, .123, 13.3, 9.3, 22.6, 28.3, 6.5
26, 2009, .373, 1.031, .222, 12.5, 12.0, 22.6, 29.5, 20.4

2007 just seems to be a fluke down year, so I won't put much stock into that one. His walk and strikeout rates have been pretty steady and don't really show regression or progression, his line drive rate is solid and steady, and his fly ball percentage is ticking up. It's pretty obvious he's a good hitter, and his four year run of BABIP suggests he can maintain a .320+ clip. What I'm getting to, and what is mind-bogglingly bizarre, is that he went from rubbing elbows with Mark Ellis, Jacoby Ellsbury, Todd Helton, Shannon Stewart, Brian Giles, Randy Wynn, and Brendan Harris in HR/FB% in 2007/2008 to sitting between Adam Dunn and Albert freaking Pujols in 2009.

He was 4th in MLB in BABIP, which kept his average extremely high, and had an obscene spike in HR/FB% last season, which shot his power numbers up. While he's shown that he can sustain a high BABIP (if not quite .373), he's going to need to keep his HR/FB% near 20% for him to put up numbers that would justify paying him $23 mil a year through his age 34 season.

I just don't see it happening.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Please learn what mathematically eliminated means. Like I said, Baltimore is not likely to make the playoffs, but they are by no means eliminated.

Also, stop being such a homer.[/QUOTE]

I know what mathematically eliminated means. I was being sarcastic because the Orioles suck and have .0000000000000000001 chance of making the playoffs and I believe thats when hell freezes over.


I am a homer because I called the Yankees a 10 out of 10? Ummmmm HELLO. They just won the World Series, improved their team and have started the season 9-3 against 4 out of the top 7 teams in the American League. Should I also mention that the Yankees have gone 110-50 since May 8th of last year when Arod came back? Yup I am a homer because I have no respect for the Orioles in a division that has 1 great team, 2 very good teams and 1 ok/good team.

Red Sox fans sure have their panties in a wad. Must be the fact that the bullpen, defense and offense have left alot to be desired so far this year. But they will still win 88 games in a bad year.
 
Mets dead in 9. Wainwright putting down the weak offense early after that blunder of plays. im ready to bring up tejeda,martinez,and davis. we are apparently not going to do absolutely shit this year so why not give our prospects a go at the regular season.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I know what mathematically eliminated means. I was being sarcastic because the Orioles suck and have .0000000000000000001 chance of making the playoffs and I believe thats when hell freezes over.


I am a homer because I called the Yankees a 10 out of 10? Ummmmm HELLO. They just won the World Series, improved their team and have started the season 9-3 against 4 out of the top 7 teams in the American League. Should I also mention that the Yankees have gone 110-50 since May 8th of last year when Arod came back? Yup I am a homer because I have no respect for the Orioles in a division that has 1 great team, 2 very good teams and 1 ok/good team.

Red Sox fans sure have their panties in a wad. Must be the fact that the bullpen, defense and offense have left alot to be desired so far this year. But they will still win 88 games in a bad year.[/QUOTE]

I'm a Phillies fan and yes you are a homer. Not just for that, but in general.

It's pretty funny how big of a deal you make 12 games into the season. The Red Sox will win more than 88 games. It's called a slow start. Happens all the time.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']I'm a Phillies fan and yes you are a homer. Not just for that, but in general.

It's pretty funny how big of a deal you make 12 games into the season. The Red Sox will win more than 88 games. It's called a slow start. Happens all the time.[/QUOTE]

not when your the Mets :cool:

all joking aside, yeah its a slow start. The sox have a whole new team and i think Francona is still trying to piece wise together...it doesnt help that papi is struggling and same with the Pen too. The yankees had a terrible start last year and look where they ended up.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Really? Dude slugged the .515 in 127 PAs in late and clutch situations last season, compared to a .508 clip for the season. Career tOPS+ in late and clutch situations is 99. Certainly not a bad hitter, but if the choice is between Ethier/Manny/Pujols... c'mon, man.[/quote]
I don't think a late/clutch situation against a situation in which a hit is worth exactly 1 win is an apples to apples comparison. Even an AB in which a successful outcome greatly increases the chance to win is not the same as a hit that guarantees a win. Getting a walk in that situation would be looked at as favorably by tOPS+ as actually getting the game winning hit.

BP or Fangraphs needs to find a way to make that stat happen for me. I don't think it's tracked.
Stop being a homer!
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[quote name='integralsmatic']Mets dead in 9. Wainwright putting down the weak offense early after that blunder of plays. im ready to bring up tejeda,martinez,and davis. we are apparently not going to do absolutely shit this year so why not give our prospects a go at the regular season.[/QUOTE]

I said this last week....
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']I'm a Phillies fan and yes you are a homer. Not just for that, but in general.

It's pretty funny how big of a deal you make 12 games into the season. The Red Sox will win more than 88 games. It's called a slow start. Happens all the time.[/QUOTE]

Oooooo now I know why your panties are in a wad. Your team is my teams personal bitch. Now I am going to go watch my Blu Ray World Series Highlight DVD and have a good laugh and think of you. Yup I am a homer because I called the defending champs who have gone 110-50 in their last 160 the best team in baseball right now.


Red Sox having a slow start compared to another team is a huge difference. Sox have 4 quality starters, a decent closer, Youk, Dustie and VMart. Sox also have the resources to trade for a big bat which is going to happen if things keep going the way that they are.

So I'll continue to be a "homer" but you can continue to be an idiot who thinks the Orioles have an outside shot at the AL bEast.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']not when your the Mets :cool:

all joking aside, yeah its a slow start. The sox have a whole new team and i think Francona is still trying to piece wise together...it doesnt help that papi is struggling and same with the Pen too. The yankees had a terrible start last year and look where they ended up.[/QUOTE]

Yankees also had Arod out the first 5-6 weeks. Yankees also had a lineup that had an all star at each position, the best starting pitching and the best relief pitching which included the best closer in baseball history. ooooo I forgot, I am a homer because I called Rivera the best closer of all time. Poor Fillies fans are still butt hurt that Damaso Marte shut down their MVP's.
 
I never once said that the Orioles have a shot of winning the AL East. I just said they weren't eliminated. I could give a rat's ass about the O's to be honest. Just pointing out that calling any team done at this point in the season is absurd.

I seriously don't understand what you're trying to say about the R. Sox though.

Typical Yankees fan.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Yankees also had Arod out the first 5-6 weeks. Yankees also had a lineup that had an all star at each position, the best starting pitching and the best relief pitching which included the best closer in baseball history. ooooo I forgot, I am a homer because I called Rivera the best closer of all time. Poor Fillies fans are still butt hurt that Damaso Marte shut down their MVP's.[/QUOTE]

Rivera is the best closer of all time. No argument from me. I am a fan that can see beyond my team, unlike some. You guys obviously had an all-star outfield, let me tell ya.

Fillies continues to be un-clever.

Like I said, typical Yankees fan.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Rivera is the best closer of all time. No argument from me. I am a fan that can see beyond my team, unlike some. You guys obviously had an all-star outfield, let me tell ya.

Fillies continues to be un-clever.

Like I said, typical Yankees fan.[/QUOTE]

Yup, I am such a Yankees homer. That is why I watched baseball games on MLB.tv all weekend long for other games. Thats why I watched the whole Mets/Cards game for 20 innings. Thats why I rooted for the Mets the whole game. Thats why I feel sympathy for the Mets. Thats why after I know Ubaldo Jimenez threw a no hitter I watched the game after on MLB.tv. Thats why I didn't watch one minute of NHL or NBA Playoffs this weekend. I am a Yankee homer who watches games from all over the league.


6-0 Rays over the Sox in the top of the 3rd.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Rivera is the best closer of all time. No argument from me. I am a fan that can see beyond my team, unlike some. You guys obviously had an all-star outfield, let me tell ya.

[/QUOTE]

I thought Swisher had been an all star in Oakland, didn't happen. He does have three 125 plus OPS seasons in 6 years. Matsui and Damon both are All Stars and had All Star caliber seasons last year. Gardner/Melky were both average last year non all stars from the CF Spot. Jeter, Arod, Teix, Cano, Posada to round out the lineup? Should I mention that the Yankees IF plus Catcher was one of the best hitting infields of all time for a single season? I forgot, I am a homer.

The only other infield offense that had a better season was the 1934 Tigers. Yankees 2009 were the second best of all time.

Mickey Cochrane hit .320 with 76 RBI's
Hank Greenberg hit .339, 26, 139
Charlie Gehringer hit .356 , 11, 127
Billy Rogel hit .296, 3 , 100
Marv Owen hit .317, 8, 96
 
Good news for Mets fans. Wfan is reporting that Ike Davis will be called up for Tuesdays game.

Make that tonights game.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']I thought Swisher had been an all star in Oakland, didn't happen. He does have three 125 plus OPS seasons in 6 years. Matsui and Damon both are All Stars and had All Star caliber seasons last year. Gardner/Melky were both average last year non all stars from the CF Spot. Jeter, Arod, Teix, Cano, Posada to round out the lineup? Should I mention that the Yankees IF plus Catcher was one of the best hitting infields of all time for a single season? I forgot, I am a homer. [/QUOTE]

This is my last post about your rampant homer-ism (New York in general, as you seem to be a Met fan too). Here is an example of your general post:

"Yankees did this and it was awesome...... Red Sox are losing to _____ LOL!!..... Mets are doing this and I am approaching it with optimism.... random comment about some Yankees player and how great he is"

Matsui and Damon are previous all-stars who did not have All-Star caliber seasons. My only beef with the Yankees is A-Rod, because it infuriates me that him and Manny get a free pass on the steroids thing. Absolutely drives me nuts.

As for being "butthurt", I have been watching my team play baseball till Halloween the past two seasons and have experienced the first championship of my lifetime (I am 24). I have absolutely NOTHING to complain about. We got killed by Matsui and Damon, and I am not making excuses for it. Looking forward to seeing you guys in the Fall Classic again, because I am a fan of good baseball.

So please, grow up.
 
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