MLB 2010 Discussion Thread

You know your offense sucks when you get 10 baserunners in 5 innings and fail to score a run. Are the Braves just dying to get the old dinosaur off of 3rd? Chipper was great for the Braves for 15 years but when your highest paid player by far doesn't produce you are going to have huge problems.
 
Huge baseball signing today that is going to have a ton of implications around the league. Ryan Howard signed a 5 year 125 million dollar extension with the Phillies that could potentially reach 140. The contract is going to last from 2012-2016. This is during his 32-36 age. What implications is this going to have?

Prince Fielder is a free agent this year and 5 years younger than Howard. Prince also has Boras as his agent. Prince has also averaged 40 HR's 120 RBI's the last 3 years. Boras is going to ask for at least 25 million per year on the open market.

Pujols is another free agent. Cardinals cannot offer a penny less than 5 years 140 that Howard just got. Pujols on the open market could get ARod money.

AGon is still signed to a very cheap contract for this year and next year. Padres could command a kings ransom from whatever teams lose out on the Pujols/Fielder sweepstakes.

Teams that could use either are the Red Sox, Mets, Braves, Angels, Tigers and others.
 
[quote name='speedracer']I don't think a late/clutch situation against a situation in which a hit is worth exactly 1 win is an apples to apples comparison. Even an AB in which a successful outcome greatly increases the chance to win is not the same as a hit that guarantees a win. Getting a walk in that situation would be looked at as favorably by tOPS+ as actually getting the game winning hit.

BP or Fangraphs needs to find a way to make that stat happen for me. I don't think it's tracked.

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There wouldn't be a large enough sample size for that type of situation to mean anything, though. We both know that a large portion of hitting, outside of K, BB, and to a slightly lesser extent HR, is based on luck; so unless a player proves over a significant number of AB that he's better or worse at not getting himself out in a specific situation, it's probably best to regard any potential deviations from career OPS as noise. That's not to say I disagree with your premise of separating one clutch situation from another, though.

Also, a walk would generate an OPS of 1.000; a base hit would produce at least 2.000. For tOPS+ purposes, at least, a hit would be favored over a walk.

How bugged are you that the Dodgers traded Santana? Trading an awesome prospect under the banner of saving money, while signing Manny Ramirez to a trillion dollar deal. Disaster.

On the topic of 1B:

If I were a GM, I'd sign Adrian Gonzalez and laugh at the team who drastically overpays for Prince Fielder. And if I were the Phillies' GM, I would have kept Lee for far less money, and received absolute studs in return for Howard, then packaged those studs for Adrian Gonzalez.

I promise, I'm not in love with Adrian Gonzalez.
 
Cliff Lee stated that he was interested in testing free agency, and I'd be very surprised if he receives less than $125 / 5 years.

Fielder may be younger than Howard, but he is not a perennial MVP candidate like Howard. I don't think he'll demand a contract of the same value. He does have Boras as an agent, but I could see him going for closer to $18-20 million a year.

Pujols is going to get A-Rod money, though. That is for certain.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Cliff Lee stated that he was interested in testing free agency, and I'd be very surprised if he receives less than $125 / 5 years.

Fielder may be younger than Howard, but he is not a perennial MVP candidate like Howard. I don't think he'll demand a contract of the same value. He does have Boras as an agent, but I could see him going for closer to $18-20 million a year.

Pujols is going to get A-Rod money, though. That is for certain.[/QUOTE]

So then you get Lee for another season (and won't receive $125/5, unless you were talking about Gonzalez), and you replace Ryan Howard with a younger, better player. Or hell, trade Lee for Halladay still (wasn't really a bad deal), and trade Howard in a three team trade that involves Gonzalez.

The Phillies just inked the worst deal in baseball. Howard is massively overrated, and they could have leveraged that into getting younger, better, cheaper talent. He's good, but he's a step below Teixiera, Fielder, Gonzalez, and Cabrera, yet has the reputation of being between that group and Pujols.

Fielder was better than Howard in 07 and 09, by the way. While he's morbidly obese, the dude rakes and strikes out at a very reasonable rate for a big time slugger.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Cliff Lee stated that he was interested in testing free agency, and I'd be very surprised if he receives less than $125 / 5 years.

Fielder may be younger than Howard, but he is not a perennial MVP candidate like Howard. I don't think he'll demand a contract of the same value. He does have Boras as an agent, but I could see him going for closer to $18-20 million a year.

Pujols is going to get A-Rod money, though. That is for certain.[/QUOTE]

Look at Fielders last 3 seasons. 50 HR's, 119 RBI's, 90 Walks, 34, 102, 84 and last year was 46, 141, 110. 2 out of the last 3 years he had an OPS over 1.000. Ryan Howard the last 3 years is 45 HR's, 140 RBI's playing in a hitters park on an American League team in the NL East. Howards highest OPS is .970 the last 3 years. Fielder does have Braun to Howards Utler but Fielder doesn't have Werth, Ibanez and J Roll. Fielder is also 4-5 years younger than Howard.

Plus look at the teams who are in need of a first basement. Atlanta has Chipper Jones coming off the books, Mets have Ike Davis but you could trade him for another need and sign Pujols/Fielder. Red Sox have VMart, Tek and Lowell all coming off the books and are in desperate need of an Impact Bat. Tigers have Magglio coming off the books. Angels could be a player for Pujols/Fielder as a DH. Dodgers have Manny's 20 plus coming off the books and could trade Loney but who knows with the Owner.
 
It's time to play guess the player.

Player A 2007-2009
.266/.363/.565 (2,051 PAs)


Player B 2007-2009
.256/.390/.532 (1,951 PAs)

Player A is signed til 2016 and is scheduled to make 170 million
Player B is on the second year of a 2 year 20 million dollar deal and will probably get peanuts in the off season.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Player A is Arod[/QUOTE]

hahahahahahahahaha.

Player A is Mr 5 years 125 million Ryan Howard.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']How did the Red Sox manage to get like 9 games straight against the worst bullpens in baseball?[/QUOTE]

They'd tear their own bullpen a new asshole.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Last thing, what is up with Beckett? Guy is getting hit hard all season so far. 7.22 era with a 1.7 whip.[/QUOTE]

He got his contract? Kind of like Wells a few years ago. I can only hope he turns it around.
 
Who would have thought that Halladay would give up 10 hits, 5 runs to a crappy Giants offense that has 1 hitter in the whole lineup?
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Last thing, what is up with Beckett? Guy is getting hit hard all season so far. 7.22 era with a 1.7 whip.[/QUOTE]

Before tonight it was mostly a slight elevation of his walk rate, a dip in Ks, and a stranded rate well below league and his career average. When the Sox get healthy and he gets xFIP back to the mid 3s he'll be fine - I fully expect his ERA to be lower than his xFIP for once. Buy low on him if a fantasy owner panics.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']There wouldn't be a large enough sample size for that type of situation to mean anything, though. We both know that a large portion of hitting, outside of K, BB, and to a slightly lesser extent HR, is based on luck; so unless a player proves over a significant number of AB that he's better or worse at not getting himself out in a specific situation, it's probably best to regard any potential deviations from career OPS as noise. That's not to say I disagree with your premise of separating one clutch situation from another, though.[/quote]
Totally. It would just be more nerd porn.
How bugged are you that the Dodgers traded Santana? Trading an awesome prospect under the banner of saving money, while signing Manny Ramirez to a trillion dollar deal. Disaster.
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We traded Pedro Martinez for Delino Deshields. Nothing fazes me anymore dude. At least Manny comes off the books this year.
If I were a GM, I'd sign Adrian Gonzalez and laugh at the team who drastically overpays for Prince Fielder. And if I were the Phillies' GM, I would have kept Lee for far less money, and received absolute studs in return for Howard, then packaged those studs for Adrian Gonzalez.

I promise, I'm not in love with Adrian Gonzalez.
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I think the Madres know his value. At least I think they do. I can't believe we aren't hearing about more action behind the scenes on him. Is this a contract year for him?
 
Adrian Gonzalez is making 4.5 million this year and the Padres have a 2011 Club Option for 5.5 million.

That cheap of a contract is going to get the Padres a Kings Ransom if they trade him in the off season to the losers of the Pujols/Fielder sweepstakes.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Who would have thought that Halladay would give up 10 hits, 5 runs to a crappy Giants offense that has 1 hitter in the whole lineup?[/QUOTE]

Shhh.

Don't let anyone know.

You'll let people think Lincecum is the best pitcher in all the land.

Oh wait, he fucking is.

Suck it Hallaqueer.
 
Damn shame he's stuck on a dead end team. He's going to be one of those that never sees the playoffs until he leaves when his contract comes up.

And he WILL leave. Kung Fu fatass and the Tenderloin ain't worth stickin around for.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Damn shame he's stuck on a dead end team. He's going to be one of those that never sees the playoffs until he leaves when his contract comes up.

And he WILL leave. Kung Fu fatass and the Tenderloin ain't worth stickin around for.[/QUOTE]

Not saying that it is going to last but the Padres are 11-8 and just won 8 straight before losing 2.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Damn shame he's stuck on a dead end team. He's going to be one of those that never sees the playoffs until he leaves when his contract comes up.

And he WILL leave. Kung Fu fatass and the Tenderloin ain't worth stickin around for.[/QUOTE]

This is a joke right?

Please tell me this kid has down-syndrome so I can't make fun of him.
 
[quote name='DomLando']What has got into the Mets?[/QUOTE]

i dunno...but i am liking it! Ike hit a 2 run double, Bay has his first home run....Wright went 3-3 with 4 RBI........See when the mets hit with RISP, we win....and all this with Ollie's hyde like performance....and bullpen showing up.

i think if Phillie loses tonight we get first place lol..we are tied currently.

I am just happy that they are playing good baseball finally! as of right now they are shutting me up pretty good.

edit: i cant believe i am actually about to say this. FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!! i dont care what anyone says! it just feels good to say that. Keep shutting me up NYM, please keep proving me wrong!
 
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[quote name='ph33r m3']This is a joke right?[/QUOTE]
The part about him leaving? San Fran has exactly zero big free agent signings, unless you count Rowand. Which I would if I was in San Fran, but not if I were anywhere else. Well, there was the 2007 signing of Ryan Klesko.

Fun trade memory of the day: Francisco Liriano, Joe Nathan, and Boof Bonser for AJ Pierzynski who left at the first possibility.

Or the part about them not making the playoffs? Which they haven't done since Bonds? There's a reason you complain he doesn't get respect. He doesn't. It's because he plays for San Fran. When he's ready to join an elite franchise he'll get his due a la Halladay.

Dodgers look like shit up and down the roster. I'm almost cool with losing when the knuckler pitches though. I just like watching that thing go.
 
I've been thinking of offering this trade and would like thoughts (5x5 league):

I want:
Zack Greinke
Dan Haren
Francisco Liriano

For:
Chase Utley
Hiroki Kuroda
JA Happ

I have Asdrubel Cabrera on the bench and would slot him at 2B. My team is built to win every pitching stat and to win steals and try to sneak runs wins, so Utley doesn't fit amazingly into my lineup. My only other HR hitter is Konerko, a waiver wire pickup because of Berkman's DL stint (who himself was a late draft pickup on my part). He's got a replacement level 2B and his team is built to win hitting categories. These pitchers would add to my staff of Halladay, Garza, Carpenter, Broxton, Papelbon, Rivera, and 2 inning eating middle relievers.

Am I not offering enough? Too much?
 
Is it a long term keeper league? Be a little wary of Liriano, I think his success this season has been due to a really low BABIP and HR rate (didn't check his numbers after his start yesterday, but he was awesome).

Who else is on the guy's team? I have a hunch he may value Liriano and Greinke a little too highly, and you may be able to nab Haren at a slight discount.
 
[quote name='speedracer']The part about him leaving? San Fran has exactly zero big free agent signings, unless you count Rowand. Which I would if I was in San Fran, but not if I were anywhere else. Well, there was the 2007 signing of Ryan Klesko.

Fun trade memory of the day: Francisco Liriano, Joe Nathan, and Boof Bonser for AJ Pierzynski who left at the first possibility.

Or the part about them not making the playoffs? Which they haven't done since Bonds? There's a reason you complain he doesn't get respect. He doesn't. It's because he plays for San Fran. When he's ready to join an elite franchise he'll get his due a la Halladay.

Dodgers look like shit up and down the roster. I'm almost cool with losing when the knuckler pitches though. I just like watching that thing go.[/QUOTE]

What what what what?

Barry Zito was a pretty big free agent signing. Giants gave him 100 million more than everybody else offered.

Dodgers look like shit up and down the roster? The offense is missing a big threat bat but Kemp, Ethier, Furcal, Belliard, Loney and Martin are all hitting between .290 and .310.
 
[quote name='speedracer']The part about him leaving? San Fran has exactly zero big free agent signings, unless you count Rowand. Which I would if I was in San Fran, but not if I were anywhere else. Well, there was the 2007 signing of Ryan Klesko.

Fun trade memory of the day: Francisco Liriano, Joe Nathan, and Boof Bonser for AJ Pierzynski who left at the first possibility.

Or the part about them not making the playoffs? Which they haven't done since Bonds? There's a reason you complain he doesn't get respect. He doesn't. It's because he plays for San Fran. When he's ready to join an elite franchise he'll get his due a la Halladay.

Dodgers look like shit up and down the roster. I'm almost cool with losing when the knuckler pitches though. I just like watching that thing go.[/QUOTE]

Matt Cain, who would be a #1 starter everywhere else re-signed here.

All-Star closer, Brian Wilson re-signed here.

And AJ left because the organization/team hated him.

While your team is chilling in the basement, can you look for that whip I beat your mother with? Should be hidden along with your man card.
 
Bet pitcher in baseball just shut down the Phillies. Wow is Linceum just nasty out there.


I spoke too soon. Timmy and Brian blow the lead on a Jason Werth 3 run double to tie the game.
 
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[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Is it a long term keeper league? Be a little wary of Liriano, I think his success this season has been due to a really low BABIP and HR rate (didn't check his numbers after his start yesterday, but he was awesome).

Who else is on the guy's team? I have a hunch he may value Liriano and Greinke a little too highly, and you may be able to nab Haren at a slight discount.[/QUOTE]
Yea. Liriano is the risk of the group for sure, but I'm hoping that the upside potential of Haren makes up for it. It's basically all his pitching and I'm offering the one offensive piece he doesn't have.


[quote name='ph33r m3']Matt Cain, who would be a #1 starter everywhere else re-signed here.[/quote]
We're talking about consistent 4.5 xFIP Matt Cain, right? Or is there another Matt Cain on your team more valuable than a bottom tier #2\top tier #3 starter? But the Giants were always more lucky than good. At least when they weren't cheating.
All-Star closer, Brian Wilson re-signed here.
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Totally. Relievers are so difficult to replace.
While your team is chilling in the basement, can you look for that whip I beat your mother with? Should be hidden along with your man card.
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I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you over the flapping of our NL West championship banners the last two years plus the multiple World Series banners. What was that, Trivially Small Sample Man?

[quote name='wildcpac']Barry Zito was a pretty big free agent signing. Giants gave him 100 million more than everybody else offered.[/quote]
Oh right. I forgot how much money he's getting. Brian Sabean is the best Dodger in years. MOAR JUAN URIBE PLZ
Dodgers look like shit up and down the roster? The offense is missing a big threat bat but Kemp, Ethier, Furcal, Belliard, Loney and Martin are all hitting between .290 and .310.
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Just talkin bout the last couple of games.
 
this past series it seemed like all the dodger hitters were really pressing. Ethier was K'd 3 times today by Maine alone. I am sure enough Torre won't let the dodgers keep hitting like that.

that said, Maine went a strong 5 with 9 ks. surprising performance today and his fast ball finally looked great today. I hope he can keep up these starts with some consistency.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']this past series it seemed like all the dodger hitters were really pressing. Ethier was K'd 3 times today by Maine alone. I am sure enough Torre won't let the dodgers keep hitting like that.

that said, Maine went a strong 5 with 9 ks. surprising performance today and his fast ball finally looked great today. I hope he can keep up these starts with some consistency.[/QUOTE]

He had movement on his fastball but it still does not look good. He is throwing it at 86-89mph, when in 2007 he was throwing in the mid 90's.

Today was his best start but I cannot see him as reliable. Him and Perez haven been so inconsistent. When they put together 3 or more good starts then it's time to put some confidence in them. For now, lets chalk up the good start by Maine to poor hitting by the Dodgers.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Pitching.[/QUOTE]

Big Pelf has an ERA currently of .69........i am sure it will sky rocket during the phillies...but yeah Pitching has been utterly stellar for us. Johan has had only 1 bad game and i think that game is the only runs he has given up. Niese is solid. It just lies on Maine and Ollie to at least keep us in there....


but you can also throw hitting with RISP and 2-out base hits. I think the mets are finally playing to Citifield's strength. more double and triple than trying to go for bombs. Reyes is returning to his old self, and now we have a legit 1b in Ike. looks like Murph will ride the bench or be stuck in Triple A.
 
The problem with Howard and Fielder is that history has proven time and time again that the super heavyweight first basemen completely deteriorate after they pass the 30-year old barrier. They have no value past that age except as DH's in the AL.

Philly is going to be tied down severely by that contract in a few years with no way to get out of it if they need to. Milwaukee doesn't have the money to sign Fielder to a contract like that, and now I'm seriously worried the Cardinals won't be able to afford Pujols.
 
[quote name='MSUHitman']The problem with Howard and Fielder is that history has proven time and time again that the super heavyweight first basemen completely deteriorate after they pass the 30-year old barrier. They have no value past that age except as DH's in the AL.

Philly is going to be tied down severely by that contract in a few years with no way to get out of it if they need to. Milwaukee doesn't have the money to sign Fielder to a contract like that, and now I'm seriously worried the Cardinals won't be able to afford Pujols.[/QUOTE]


Just be thankful the Yankees are not going to be in the market for Pujols and the Mets have Ike Davis playing well so he could be the first baseman for the next 15 years. That takes NY out of the market and leaves the Red Sox and the Angels.
 
Why is it? Because he got a new deal? Can't tell you. But you know, it's below-average. If this is the last day of the season and people are voting for the Gold Glove, his name is not even on the ballot. It's a shame that he would go from where he was a year ago to revert back to when the ball goes up in the air and you're not sure where it's going, or if it's going to get caught.

Ned Colleti on his best player Matt Kemp.


Hey Ned, trade him to the Yankees. Will give you Randy Winn and Marcus Thames. Will even throw in Mitre as well because I heard you need pitching.
 
^^^LOL. I wouldn't throw Mitre away yet though. He'd useless now but if anyone goes down, he's the new fifth starter. Which is why I'm perpetually disapointed that the Yanks keep dealing any pitcher that can spot start. When when they have one that is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, they just keep him in the pen. Ace needs to roam free!!!

As a side note, everytime I come into this thread, my brain starts leaking from the advanced stat references.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']Adrian Gonzalez is making 4.5 million this year and the Padres have a 2011 Club Option for 5.5 million.

That cheap of a contract is going to get the Padres a Kings Ransom if they trade him in the off season to the losers of the Pujols/Fielder sweepstakes.[/QUOTE]

The Cardinals have a 2011 Club Option on Pujols as well so barring an extension, Pujols won't be a free agent until after 2011.

Supposedly both Pujols and Mo have agreed to table any contract discussions until after the season. I also wonder what happens when Wainwright and Ludwick come due.
 
I have a feeling every Indians fan, disgruntled by the current make-up of the team, voted the team down.
 
[quote name='Filbert']I have a feeling every Indians fan, disgruntled by the current make-up of the team, voted the team down.[/QUOTE]

Same..and i think thats the same for all the teams on top. Cincy fans are probably as disgusted as you guys. i am just surprised the Yankees aren't number 1. I thought they would have attained a ton of national hate just because they are good lol.
 
Cubs do not have to worry about a 1 run loss today. When does Ted Lilly get traded?

D Train 4 hit the Twins (minus Morneau and Mauer).
 
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