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[quote name='dopa345']It's always been like that in any sports competition involving Taiwan. Even in the Olympics they're referred as "Chinese Taipei".[/QUOTE]

That's because that is their offical name. Tawain is not an independant country. Kind of like Puerto Rico and the US.
 
[quote name='greendj27']That's because that is their offical name. Tawain is not an independant country. Kind of like Puerto Rico and the US.[/QUOTE]
Thats what China wants you to believe. Its been an independent country since 1949. From 1895 to 1945 it belonged to Japan.

They're not recognized by these organizations as a country anymore because of pressure from China. Taiwan has its own elected govenment. In fact, they were recognized by us as the legitimate government of all of China until the 70s. Then we started sucking China's dick, and we stopped recognizing them as a country.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Thats what China wants you to believe. Its been an independent country since 1949. From 1895 to 1945 it belonged to Japan.

They're not recognized by these organizations as a country anymore because of pressure from China. Taiwan has its own elected govenment. In fact, they were recognized by us as the legitimate government of all of China until the 70s. Then we started sucking China's dick, and we stopped recognizing them as a country.[/quote]

In my humble opinion, getting Taiwan officially recognized as independent of China, even though it is, may be the cause of WWIII. Add to that growing resentment for the US by many countries, and its an issue better left up to China to resolve. But as far as I'm concerned, its Taiwan.

Who are the big names on the Tai team?
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']In my humble opinion, getting Taiwan officially recognized as independent of China, even though it is, may be the cause of WWIII. Add to that growing resentment for the US by many countries, and its an issue better left up to China to resolve. But as far as I'm concerned, its Taiwan.

Who are the big names on the Tai team?[/QUOTE]
Thats exactly what I've been thinking... Though I don't think it'll be instigated by anything, China is probably going to invade down the road no matter what happens. And we'd almost certainly use force to keep China out.

Anyway, we're getting off track. Besides Wang, they've got a few major league prospects but thats all. They've got some hot prospect from the Dodgers system at short.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Thats exactly what I've been thinking... Though I don't think it'll be instigated by anything, China is probably going to invade down the road no matter what happens. And we'd almost certainly use force to keep China out.

Anyway, we're getting off track. Besides Wang, they've got a few major league prospects but thats all. They've got some hot prospect from the Dodgers system at short.[/QUOTE]

No way China ever invades Taiwan. It's just posturing on both sides (as recently as 10 years ago, Taiwan's offical party line was that mainland China is a province "in rebellion" as well but had "ruled out" using military force). However, now they are so economically dependent on each other (Taiwan is one of the largest investor nations in China), there is no reason for China to invade, not even considering the diplomatic mess that would be.
 
[quote name='dopa345']No way China ever invades Taiwan. It's just posturing on both sides (as recently as 10 years ago, Taiwan's offical party line was that mainland China is a province "in rebellion" as well but had "ruled out" using military force). However, now they are so economically dependent on each other (Taiwan is one of the largest investor nations in China), there is no reason for China to invade, not even considering the diplomatic mess that would be.[/QUOTE]
80% of China's military spending is towards the possible invasion of Taiwan, and not the defense of China. This is not a rational government here, they're communists. Their strategy is to hit Taiwan with thousands of missiles (which are already in place on the coast), then send in a massive amount of troops, Normandy style, and quickly overwhelm the island, so that our role isn't simply preventing China from invading, but evicting China from the island, which is a completely different scenario strategically and politically. Their strategy when it comes to us is not to beat us, but to make it painful enough that it'll be an unpopular war. Plus, they just developed new submarine based ICBMs as a nuclear deterrent.

This is a serious threat that we'll have to deal with in the next 20 years. It almost happened in 96. Theres a reason why we have a huge military presence in the Pacific.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']After thinking about it, the WBC is better served at the end of the season, instead of the start. Then players would have the offseason to heal any injuries.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing, but more than once (on radio/TV) I've heard players say you'd have the most injuries doing it that way. If you have it in say early November.. most players haven't played since late September, and most of them apparently just let their conditioning go to hell until January or so.

To be honest, I'm not sure its such a bad idea... basically some guys will play competitive WBC baseball instead of Grapefuit league ball.. they're still playing either way. A guy can get injured in the WBC, in spring training or in a pickup game at home. The players that do play competitive ball (especially the pitchers) may well have an advantage when the MLB season starts up.
 
Oh, and as towards the conversation on Taiwan.. we keep a fair naval force in the area, true. However, if China invades Taipei, we would not be allowed to interfere in any way, shape or form as the US official view is Taipei being owned by China.

The idea is to keep enough boats in the area that China can't invade without damaging one of our ships.. once that happens, it can be considered an act of war and we can join the fray.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']Oh, and as towards the conversation on Taiwan.. we keep a fair naval force in the area, true. However, if China invades Taipei, we would not be allowed to interfere in any way, shape or form as the US official view is Taipei being owned by China.

The idea is to keep enough boats in the area that China can't invade without damaging one of our ships.. once that happens, it can be considered an act of war and we can join the fray.[/QUOTE]
The Taiwan Relations Act gives us the right, and almost the obligation to intervene. We don't recognize Taiwan as a country, but we also don't recognize China's soverignty over Taiwan, we only acknowlege that they claim it.

I firmly believe that unless Taiwan blatantly provoked an attack, that we would come to the rescue if they were invaded. Japan also has a very strong interest in keeping China out of Taiwan, they would probably intervene if they had the means to do so in any meaningful way. The 7th Fleet would be there in 5 minutes if China tried anything.


Back to Baseball... Washington is looking for a pitcher now that Brian Lawrence is out for a while, they're interested in Arroyo or Clement. They're reportedly offering Nick Johnson, they tried to offer Soriano but the Red Sox completely shot that down.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The Taiwan Relations Act gives us the right, and almost the obligation to intervene. We don't recognize Taiwan as a country, but we also don't recognize China's soverignty over Taiwan, we only acknowlege that they claim it.[/QUOTE]

From the State Department's website..

With the establishment of diplomatic relations with China on January 1, 1979, the US Government recognized the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China and acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only one China and that Taiwan is part of China.
Click to expand...

http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm

Scroll down to note #3 if you want to see my source.
 
Lawrence out for the season. Pavano to start season on DL with back problems. He's had the same back problems since spring training of last year. Lenny Dinardo to play for Italy, I guess the only requirement is that his name ends in a vowel.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The Taiwan Relations Act gives us the right, and almost the obligation to intervene. We don't recognize Taiwan as a country, but we also don't recognize China's soverignty over Taiwan, we only acknowlege that they claim it.

I firmly believe that unless Taiwan blatantly provoked an attack, that we would come to the rescue if they were invaded. Japan also has a very strong interest in keeping China out of Taiwan, they would probably intervene if they had the means to do so in any meaningful way. The 7th Fleet would be there in 5 minutes if China tried anything.


Back to Baseball... Washington is looking for a pitcher now that Brian Lawrence is out for a while, they're interested in Arroyo or Clement. They're reportedly offering Nick Johnson, they tried to offer Soriano but the Red Sox completely shot that down.[/QUOTE]

yeah i still have no idea why they even traded for soriano with vidro coming back...they basically gave half of their lineup to get him..they shouldve known he wasnt gonna comply..yeah nick johnson could fill their DH to give them an even better lineup..
 
[quote name='ryanbph']sheff and matsui are having injury problems...nothing major YET[/quote]


It's the only thing that'll derail the Yanks this year. Their lineup goes from unstoppable to just fearsome without those two hitting fourth and fifth.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']yeah i still have no idea why they even traded for soriano with vidro coming back...they basically gave half of their lineup to get him..they shouldve known he wasnt gonna comply..yeah nick johnson could fill their DH to give them an even better lineup..[/quote]

Ahh, but we don't want Big Papi playing 1B and we don't want to miss him in the order, so Johnson wouldn't be a great pick up.

Soriano would've been a decent choice, IMHO, before we got ahold of Loretta. But now its not happening. We need some depth in the OF and possibly an upgrade at SS, and maybe dumping Trot, hate to say it, but move him before its too late.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Ahh, but we don't want Big Papi playing 1B and we don't want to miss him in the order, so Johnson wouldn't be a great pick up.

Soriano would've been a decent choice, IMHO, before we got ahold of Loretta. But now its not happening. We need some depth in the OF and possibly an upgrade at SS, and maybe dumping Trot, hate to say it, but move him before its too late.[/QUOTE]
If they were really offering Nick Johnson, I'd pull the trigger today. He's the prototypical Theo hitter, very disciplined, very high OBP, 8th in the majors at .408. Plus he's pretty good defensively. He'd be the starting 1st baseman here and a damn good one. Youkilis would have to split time at 3rd. Ideally I'd dump Lowell and start Youkilis, but I don't think thats possible.
 
[quote name='depascal22']It's the only thing that'll derail the Yanks this year. Their lineup goes from unstoppable to just fearsome without those two hitting fourth and fifth.[/QUOTE]

So basically the same that was said about the lineup they had last year that barely even got them into the playoffs?

They still don't have the pitching to get it done.
 
Manny's due to show up today.

The major leaguers are in a union meeting right now, so Manny's going to show up, find only some minor leaguers and the Australian team practicing, and hilarity will ensue.
 
if the sox got nick johnson, I bet youkillis gets traded...also if the sox could move manny or the oft injured trot nixon, you could move crisp to a corner of position, and put soriano in cf.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']if the sox got nick johnson, I bet youkillis gets traded...also if the sox could move manny or the oft injured trot nixon, you could move crisp to a corner of position, and put soriano in cf.[/QUOTE]

I actually think it wouldn't be a good trade for them. Youkilis is the greek god of walks ;) so they wouldn't be gaining much in OBP. It remains to be seen if Youk is a good defensive first baseman, but even if not, Niick Johnson is a walking ambulance. I think Youk can be as good as Johnson and they don't need to give up anything.

I realize that they have too many starting pitchers, but there are other teams they can trade them to that could give them something more of value to the club.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']if the sox got nick johnson, I bet youkillis gets traded...also if the sox could move manny or the oft injured trot nixon, you could move crisp to a corner of position, and put soriano in cf.[/QUOTE]

The Indians got rid of Coco simply because he wasn't a good fit for a corner outfield position (and they had their center field locked up with Sizemore). He doesn't have the arm or the power to play those positiions. He's a good (possibly to be great) center fielder.. but thats where he needs to play.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']The Indians got rid of Coco simply because he wasn't a good fit for a corner outfield position (and they had their center field locked up with Sizemore). He doesn't have the arm or the power to play those positiions. He's a good (possibly to be great) center fielder.. but thats where he needs to play.[/QUOTE]
Plus you have to consider that Washington wants to get rid of him because he's refusing to play in the outfield. The Red Sox want absolutely no part of Alfonso Soriano, personally I think he's one of the most overrated players in the game. Just throw 3 sliders low and away to him and he's out, every single time.
 
[quote name='greendj27']I actually think it wouldn't be a good trade for them. Youkilis is the greek god of walks ;) so they wouldn't be gaining much in OBP. It remains to be seen if Youk is a good defensive first baseman, but even if not, Niick Johnson is a walking ambulance. I think Youk can be as good as Johnson and they don't need to give up anything.

I realize that they have too many starting pitchers, but there are other teams they can trade them to that could give them something more of value to the club.[/quote]

There is no proof that youk can do it over a full season. He can't even be considered a prospect anymore due to his age. As much as I like him, and think he can hit between .280 - .320 over the course of his career, he may just be a .250 - .270 hitter, which is his avg now at the mlb level. He might just be over rated...I dunno, untill he does what many think can happen, he is an unknown.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']So basically the same that was said about the lineup they had last year that barely even got them into the playoffs?

They still don't have the pitching to get it done.[/quote]

Good point. Let me reword since you like to pick things apart. Injuries to key offensive players will have a negative impact on the overall record of the Yankees at season end. The pitching is old but still somewhat serviceable as long as Rivera gets the ball in the ninth. Mussina and Johnson are due to hit the wall anytime now. Wang, Small, and Chacon might have just been lucky last year. You'll never know if Wright or Pavano will get healthy again. All this is true but the offense still runs the ship.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Good point. Let me reword since you like to pick things apart. Injuries to key offensive players will have a negative impact on the overall record of the Yankees at season end. The pitching is old but still somewhat serviceable as long as Rivera gets the ball in the ninth. Mussina and Johnson are due to hit the wall anytime now. Wang, Small, and Chacon might have just been lucky last year. You'll never know if Wright or Pavano will get healthy again. All this is true but the offense still runs the ship.[/QUOTE]
yeah, that is what boston thought for years, finally we figured it out in 04, pitching wins the world series
 
I'm sorry if you guys have discussed this already, but...

How do you feel about the World Baseball Classic? First game is going to be televised on Thursday. I'm not really thrilled about it, but it's an awesome way to get back into baseball by checking out some of the greatest players in the game. ^_^
 
[quote name='WinnieThePujols']I'm sorry if you guys have discussed this already, but...

How do you feel about the World Baseball Classic? First game is going to be televised on Thursday. I'm not really thrilled about it, but it's an awesome way to get back into baseball by checking out some of the greatest players in the game. ^_^[/QUOTE]
not a big fan of it, with 9 players from the red sox going...if varitek or timlin get hurt, I will be pissed. I like the idea, I just don't think this is the best time to play. Maybe after the world series, as they are playing in warm area's of the country anyways.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']not a big fan of it, with 9 players from the red sox going...if varitek or timlin get hurt, I will be pissed. I like the idea, I just don't think this is the best time to play. Maybe after the world series, as they are playing in warm area's of the country anyways.[/QUOTE]

same i think the mets have 3-5 big names such as Pedro and Beltran playing....im not too hot abou pedro in it because of his toe...it would be fun to watch but seeing big names risking injury is kinda hard to like it...yeah as a post ws tourney it would be a great idea..i remember years ago hockey did a world hockey championship during mid off season and that was a hit at the time. it would also be good after the series because it will still keep many players game ready and in shape.

as for youklis i agree too...he hasnt had a full season under his belt as johnson does. we still dont know what you wil get outta youk for a full 162 games..as is johnson we know what your going to get...season wil tell if youk really fits the ball at first.
 
Yeah, you know you are only going to get about 100 games out of Johnson every year. That's what you know you will get ;)
 
well we don't even know if we are going to get that out of youk. He hasn't had the playing time to determine if he is fragile. He has been up and done between the minors and sitting the bench in boston the past couple of seasons.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']yeah, that is what boston thought for years, finally we figured it out in 04, pitching wins the world series[/QUOTE]

Also see Cleveland from '95 through '98. One of the strongest 1-9's we've seen in a very long time.. but without the pitching.. no championships.
 
Had the 6 minute press conference on WEEI an hour ago, it's on again in a few minutes, plus his agent will be on after.

weei.com if you're not in the Boston area.
 
dale is really fixated on manny refusing to say that manny is happy to be here. When asked a directly, manny said he is here
 
[quote name='ryanbph']curt schilling and new sox pitching coach al nipper had a heated exchange today during the morning workout.[/QUOTE]
I missed that. Did they say what it was about?
 
it did happen, tony mazzoroti (sp?) the boston herald sox beat writter, speculated it had something to do with schillings pitch count on friday. Also it may have to do with some things nipper wanted him to change.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']C.C Sabitia and billy wagner have pulled out of the WBC, al leiter and another pitcher will take there place.[/QUOTE]

Being a diehard Indians fan.. and given the fact that CC is notoriously bad for April injuries (3 or 4 years running I believe).. I'm somewhat glad to see him not take the risk.

But I'm starting to wonder what the WBC is going to become if we end up with noone wanting to risk playing in it. South Africa could suddenly have a chance.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']Being a diehard Indians fan.. and given the fact that CC is notoriously bad for April injuries (3 or 4 years running I believe).. I'm somewhat glad to see him not take the risk.

But I'm starting to wonder what the WBC is going to become if we end up with noone wanting to risk playing in it. South Africa could suddenly have a chance.[/QUOTE]

yes now i dont have to worry about wagner getting hurt and gets to spend time with Lo Duca in camp. if at this rate than no one will be there and it will be all bench players playing...

edit:bret boone retired finally...atleast as a met haha
 
I'm still trying to find something about that argument, but with Schilling, that might not be a bad thing.

Got Bruins tickets tonight, the $42 and below tickets are going for $10, go to ticketmaster.com and put score in the powerade box, on the page for tonight's game.
 
good work dafoomie on the bruins tix..as for the schiling thing, they referenced tony mazz, so check the heralds sports section..


Pedro martinez, toe, and vlad guerrio, 3 cousins dead, have pulled out of the wbc
 
Hopefully, this will be the only Baseball Classic that's held in March. I just pray none of the players for our favorite teams get hurt playing in this damned exhitbition.
 
Damn it, Kearns is already hurt! He got hit by a pitch yesterday and sat out today's game. He's supposed to play tomorrow but it's still frustrating.
 
Several red sox pitchers who are supposed to be important struggled yesterday.

Papelbon, thought if the ball was an inch or so higher his ankle would have been shattered. He went 1.2 ip, 4 hits, 2 r, 2er 1 hr...1k

Seanez is back pitching like he did the last time he was with the sox...
1ip 2 h, 2r, 2er, 2hr

Riske, 1ip 2h 1 r 1er

on the positive side...delcarmen 1ip 1h 1k
hansen 1ip 1 k


cocco went 3 - 3, a homer shy of the cycle...the young of prospects we have stuggled going a combined 1 - 7 with 6k's....Dustin pedroia stuckout in his only at bat, but looked like either his wrist is still bothering him, or he hurt his shoulder in the strikeout swing.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Several red sox pitchers who are supposed to be important struggled yesterday.

Papelbon, thought if the ball was an inch or so higher his ankle would have been shattered. He went 1.2 ip, 4 hits, 2 r, 2er 1 hr...1k

Seanez is back pitching like he did the last time he was with the sox...
1ip 2 h, 2r, 2er, 2hr

Riske, 1ip 2h 1 r 1er

on the positive side...delcarmen 1ip 1h 1k
hansen 1ip 1 k


cocco went 3 - 3, a homer shy of the cycle...the young of prospects we have stuggled going a combined 1 - 7 with 6k's....Dustin pedroia stuckout in his only at bat, but looked like either his wrist is still bothering him, or he hurt his shoulder in the strikeout swing.[/QUOTE]

It's still way to early to panic or to get excited for that matter. Pitchers are only throwing "junk" and working on location.
 
rudy seanez sucked the last time he was in the AL, as well as playing for the red sox. Paplebon needs a great spring in order to be in the rotation, and having possible foot/ankle problems isn't a good sign. He was examined today, but said he is ok.

Schilling threw very well today.
 
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