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[quote name='ph33r m3']I'm off the trade Vernon Davis bandwagon, now i'm totally for firing Nolan. This guy has 0 idea what he's doing...[/QUOTE]
Finally you have joined!!! I have been saying this since day one. Soon you will join the Cut Alex Smith bandwagon as well.
Finally you have joined!!! I have been saying this since day one. Soon you will join the Cut Alex Smith bandwagon as well.
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[quote name='DomLando']Finally you have joined!!! I have been saying this since day one. Soon you will join the Cut Alex Smith bandwagon as well. [/quote]
Like I said before I give Nolan the Marvin Lewis Situation, can rebuild a team to average/decent, but can't make them contenders.
I'm not sold on cutting Smith, he played alright with a shitty arm, props to him though, read some articles on how he was taking painkillers just to play. Tough kid no doubt.
I know this sounds sick, but i'd take Marty Schottenheimer, Martyball would work perfectly for this team.
[/quote]Like I said before I give Nolan the Marvin Lewis Situation, can rebuild a team to average/decent, but can't make them contenders.
I'm not sold on cutting Smith, he played alright with a shitty arm, props to him though, read some articles on how he was taking painkillers just to play. Tough kid no doubt.
I know this sounds sick, but i'd take Marty Schottenheimer, Martyball would work perfectly for this team.
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[quote name='klwillis45']GB- 13 penalties for 103 Den - 9 for 63
Nice try Bears fan[/quote]
Ahh but as most sports fans know just reading the box score or individual stat lines doesn't always tell the whole story.
Most of the penalties called on the Packers were false starts. This is for the most part a non-subjective call that the refs have to make when a lineman moves prior to the snap. The holding calls on the Broncos, especially the very last one, were extremely critical. That last one may have only shown up as a 10 yard penalty in the stats but it was more like a 40 yard penalty and took away points. On that play Young ran the ball down to the 5 yard line. I don't remember the exact gain but it was around 30 yards. The hold call nullified the play (-30 yard) plus by nature of the penalty backed the Broncos up an additional 10 yards.
Even as a Bears fan I can admit that Favre is a hall of fame player and he made the play in OT when the game was on the line to win but had it not been for some critical and somewhat questionable penalties on the Broncos he might not have gotten the chance to win the game in OT.
Nice try Bears fan
[/quote]Ahh but as most sports fans know just reading the box score or individual stat lines doesn't always tell the whole story.
Most of the penalties called on the Packers were false starts. This is for the most part a non-subjective call that the refs have to make when a lineman moves prior to the snap. The holding calls on the Broncos, especially the very last one, were extremely critical. That last one may have only shown up as a 10 yard penalty in the stats but it was more like a 40 yard penalty and took away points. On that play Young ran the ball down to the 5 yard line. I don't remember the exact gain but it was around 30 yards. The hold call nullified the play (-30 yard) plus by nature of the penalty backed the Broncos up an additional 10 yards.
Even as a Bears fan I can admit that Favre is a hall of fame player and he made the play in OT when the game was on the line to win but had it not been for some critical and somewhat questionable penalties on the Broncos he might not have gotten the chance to win the game in OT.
[quote name='DomLando']Finally you have joined!!! I have been saying this since day one. Soon you will join the Cut Alex Smith bandwagon as well. [/quote]
I don't think Alex Smith is THAT bad..the only players around him that are good is Frank Gore. He needs a supporting cast of more than one player.
[/quote]I don't think Alex Smith is THAT bad..the only players around him that are good is Frank Gore. He needs a supporting cast of more than one player.
[quote name='ph33r m3']Like I said before I give Nolan the Marvin Lewis Situation, can rebuild a team to average/decent, but can't make them contenders.
I'm not sold on cutting Smith, he played alright with a shitty arm, props to him though, read some articles on how he was taking painkillers just to play. Tough kid no doubt.
I know this sounds sick, but i'd take Marty Schottenheimer, Martyball would work perfectly for this team.[/QUOTE]
No doubt Alex Smith is a tough kid but that does not make him a good QB. But no need to get into a conversation about him again. I would love the Niners to fire most of there coaching staff.
I'm not sold on cutting Smith, he played alright with a shitty arm, props to him though, read some articles on how he was taking painkillers just to play. Tough kid no doubt.
I know this sounds sick, but i'd take Marty Schottenheimer, Martyball would work perfectly for this team.[/QUOTE]
No doubt Alex Smith is a tough kid but that does not make him a good QB. But no need to get into a conversation about him again. I would love the Niners to fire most of there coaching staff.
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[quote name='Chitown021']Ahh but as most sports fans know just reading the box score or individual stat lines doesn't always tell the whole story.
Most of the penalties called on the Packers were false starts. This is for the most part a non-subjective call that the refs have to make when a lineman moves prior to the snap. The holding calls on the Broncos, especially the very last one, were extremely critical. That last one may have only shown up as a 10 yard penalty in the stats but it was more like a 40 yard penalty and took away points. On that play Young ran the ball down to the 5 yard line. I don't remember the exact gain but it was around 30 yards. The hold call nullified the play (-30 yard) plus by nature of the penalty backed the Broncos up an additional 10 yards.
Even as a Bears fan I can admit that Favre is a hall of fame player and he made the play in OT when the game was on the line to win but had it not been for some critical and somewhat questionable penalties on the Broncos he might not have gotten the chance to win the game in OT.[/quote]
You can't call the penalty on the Young run questionable. You could clearly see the Denver WR grasping and pulling the jersey of the Packer DB. Even if it didn't have much effect on the DB's progress, he did it right in front of the ref. A ref who is a member of the most aggressive teams of officials in terms of handing out flags. That team has the most of any other with an average of almost 17 penalties per game! Anyway, the ruling was correct. Holding.
Most of the penalties called on the Packers were false starts. This is for the most part a non-subjective call that the refs have to make when a lineman moves prior to the snap. The holding calls on the Broncos, especially the very last one, were extremely critical. That last one may have only shown up as a 10 yard penalty in the stats but it was more like a 40 yard penalty and took away points. On that play Young ran the ball down to the 5 yard line. I don't remember the exact gain but it was around 30 yards. The hold call nullified the play (-30 yard) plus by nature of the penalty backed the Broncos up an additional 10 yards.
Even as a Bears fan I can admit that Favre is a hall of fame player and he made the play in OT when the game was on the line to win but had it not been for some critical and somewhat questionable penalties on the Broncos he might not have gotten the chance to win the game in OT.[/quote]
You can't call the penalty on the Young run questionable. You could clearly see the Denver WR grasping and pulling the jersey of the Packer DB. Even if it didn't have much effect on the DB's progress, he did it right in front of the ref. A ref who is a member of the most aggressive teams of officials in terms of handing out flags. That team has the most of any other with an average of almost 17 penalties per game! Anyway, the ruling was correct. Holding.
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[quote name='javeryh']Since the Giants have a bye they better be showing the NE/IND game on TV in the NYC area.[/quote]
Here ya go.
Here ya go.
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I'm sick of this regional bullshit.
I'm also sick of this three games during the day bullshit.
I'm really tired of this 'We can't show you this last second FG because it's 4:15:01PM on the east coast supreme bullshit.
Damn I hate the NFL sometimes.
I'm also sick of this three games during the day bullshit.
I'm really tired of this 'We can't show you this last second FG because it's 4:15:01PM on the east coast supreme bullshit.
Damn I hate the NFL sometimes.
[quote name='klwillis45']Here ya go.[/quote]
Thanks - I didn't know about that site - it's very useful. I guess EVERYONE is going to be watching the NE/IND game... check out the map: http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-09-CBS2.html
Thanks - I didn't know about that site - it's very useful. I guess EVERYONE is going to be watching the NE/IND game... check out the map: http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-09-CBS2.html
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I love that map thing....I find it odd how some states get some random game....just seems odd.
Should be a GREAT sports weekend. MI-MSU, Det-Den, then NE-Ind.....woohoo, sporgy.
Should be a GREAT sports weekend. MI-MSU, Det-Den, then NE-Ind.....woohoo, sporgy.
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I'm sick of this regional bullshit.
I'm also sick of this three games during the day bullshit.
I'm really tired of this 'We can't show you this last second FG because it's 4:15:01PM on the east coast supreme bullshit.
Damn I hate the NFL sometimes.[/quote]
um.....I've never had these issues here... especially the bold...
I'm also sick of this three games during the day bullshit.
I'm really tired of this 'We can't show you this last second FG because it's 4:15:01PM on the east coast supreme bullshit.
Damn I hate the NFL sometimes.[/quote]
um.....I've never had these issues here... especially the bold...
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Interesting article comparing Dungy to Bellicheck on FOXSports. The Angel (Dungy) vs the Demon (Bellicheck). Also says that Bellicheck is very Nixon-esqe, which now that I think about it is very true.
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[quote name='DomLando']No doubt Alex Smith is a tough kid but that does not make him a good QB. But no need to get into a conversation about him again. I would love the Niners to fire most of there coaching staff.[/quote]
Nolan,Hostler,Manusky all gone hopefully.
About Smiths supporting cast, i'd call it more than decent, Gore, Davis, Lelie, Battle, Jackson, that's a shit load better than Curtis,LJ Smith, Lewis, and Westbrook.
But like you said that's a whole other thread.
Nolan,Hostler,Manusky all gone hopefully.
About Smiths supporting cast, i'd call it more than decent, Gore, Davis, Lelie, Battle, Jackson, that's a shit load better than Curtis,LJ Smith, Lewis, and Westbrook.
But like you said that's a whole other thread.
[quote name='ph33r m3']Nolan,Hostler,Manusky all gone hopefully.
About Smiths supporting cast, i'd call it more than decent, Gore, Davis, Lelie, Battle, Jackson, that's a shit load better than Curtis,LJ Smith, Lewis, and Westbrook.
But like you said that's a whole other thread.[/quote]
No one on that list can compare to Westbrook. Not even Frank Gore. He has more yards with the same amount of carries as Gore as a RB. The Eagles recievers I do admit are just average but I'd take Curtis over Battle and Jackson anyday. So I wouldn't say "shit load better".
About Smiths supporting cast, i'd call it more than decent, Gore, Davis, Lelie, Battle, Jackson, that's a shit load better than Curtis,LJ Smith, Lewis, and Westbrook.
But like you said that's a whole other thread.[/quote]
No one on that list can compare to Westbrook. Not even Frank Gore. He has more yards with the same amount of carries as Gore as a RB. The Eagles recievers I do admit are just average but I'd take Curtis over Battle and Jackson anyday. So I wouldn't say "shit load better".
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[quote name='DJSteel']um.....I've never had these issues here... especially the bold...[/QUOTE]
If the early game on the network with no second game goes long, it will always happen. I know it's happened at least three times this year. Once on CBS, they were just staring at the screen while they were on camera waiting on a onside kick attempt - in fact, that was the game that the Titans almost blew that huge lead. Pissed me the
off.
If the early game on the network with no second game goes long, it will always happen. I know it's happened at least three times this year. Once on CBS, they were just staring at the screen while they were on camera waiting on a onside kick attempt - in fact, that was the game that the Titans almost blew that huge lead. Pissed me the
off.[quote name='CocheseUGA']If the early game on the network with no second game goes long, it will always happen. I know it's happened at least three times this year. Once on CBS, they were just staring at the screen while they were on camera waiting on a onside kick attempt - in fact, that was the game that the Titans almost blew that huge lead. Pissed me the off.[/quote]
that didn't happen to me.. they prolonged the coverage...I guess it's your area.. or your network.. and not the NFL...
off.[/quote]that didn't happen to me.. they prolonged the coverage...I guess it's your area.. or your network.. and not the NFL...
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[quote name='DJSteel']that didn't happen to me.. they prolonged the coverage...I guess it's your area.. or your network.. and not the NFL...[/QUOTE]
All I know is that they state the games can't go past the 4:15 timeslot per NFL rules. So = NFL's fault.
All I know is that they state the games can't go past the 4:15 timeslot per NFL rules. So = NFL's fault.
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[quote name='DJSteel']that didn't happen to me.. they prolonged the coverage...I guess it's your area.. or your network.. and not the NFL...[/QUOTE]
It is actually an NFL rule, but you can get lucky depending on the circumstances (i.e. you're watching a local game, or it's a game that is being carried by the doubleheader network that weekend)... see the "Sunday Bonus Coverage" section in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_on_television
It is actually an NFL rule, but you can get lucky depending on the circumstances (i.e. you're watching a local game, or it's a game that is being carried by the doubleheader network that weekend)... see the "Sunday Bonus Coverage" section in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_on_television
i heard on the radio today that sacramento is going to air the pats/colts game. i guess sacramento is a "secondary market" and is never actually required to air raiders games, sell out or otherwise, even though they do it ALL THE TIME
so im glad i can watch it at home, when i watched the pats/cowboys game at a bar it ended up costing me like 40 bucks for dinner and pitchers.
so im glad i can watch it at home, when i watched the pats/cowboys game at a bar it ended up costing me like 40 bucks for dinner and pitchers.
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Man I am F'ed in my fantasy league this week.... I play the dude who has Randy Moss and Tom Brady and my top combo Eli & Plaxico are on a bye week. The only positive is that I've got Hines Ward back.
[quote name='Chitown021']Man I am F'ed in my fantasy league this week.... I play the dude who has Randy Moss and Tom Brady and my top combo Eli & Plaxico are on a bye week. The only positive is that I've got Hines Ward back.[/quote]
Might be a stretch, but your saving grace might be that their playing the Colts, so they might get held down a bit.
Dungy and the whole team must be pretty focused on this game, since they know it is really the one that matters the most in their schedule.
Might be a stretch, but your saving grace might be that their playing the Colts, so they might get held down a bit.
Dungy and the whole team must be pretty focused on this game, since they know it is really the one that matters the most in their schedule.
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[quote name='Inf^Shini']Might be a stretch, but your saving grace might be that their playing the Colts, so they might get held down a bit.
Dungy and the whole team must be pretty focused on this game, since they know it is really the one that matters the most in their schedule.[/quote]
Yeah they may hold Brady to what... 5 TD passes. My hope is that the Colts try and use sustained drives that eat up about 15 minutes each. Maybe then they can win 21-14 by mainly eating up the clock.
Dungy and the whole team must be pretty focused on this game, since they know it is really the one that matters the most in their schedule.[/quote]
Yeah they may hold Brady to what... 5 TD passes
. My hope is that the Colts try and use sustained drives that eat up about 15 minutes each. Maybe then they can win 21-14 by mainly eating up the clock.[quote name='Chitown021']Yeah they may hold Brady to what... 5 TD passes . My hope is that the Colts try and use sustained drives that eat up about 15 minutes each. Maybe then they can win 21-14 by mainly eating up the clock.[/quote]
Like I said, saving grace = vs. Colts
Games between those two have been unpredictable lately.
. My hope is that the Colts try and use sustained drives that eat up about 15 minutes each. Maybe then they can win 21-14 by mainly eating up the clock.[/quote] Like I said, saving grace = vs. Colts
Games between those two have been unpredictable lately.
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And the Pats are the "poor sports"....
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840
And the Pats shouldn't be 7-0, they should be 6-1 because the first game should have been a lose for cheating! In school if I was caught cheating I would get a 0, not a win.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840
And the Pats shouldn't be 7-0, they should be 6-1 because the first game should have been a lose for cheating! In school if I was caught cheating I would get a 0, not a win.
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[quote name='bigdaddy']And the Pats are the "poor sports"....
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840
And the Pats shouldn't be 7-0, they should be 6-1 because the first game should have been a lose for cheating! In school if I was caught cheating I would get a 0, not a win.[/QUOTE]
Myself an a couple of Little Leaguers could beat the Jets right now, the cheating had no impact on the outcome of the game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840
And the Pats shouldn't be 7-0, they should be 6-1 because the first game should have been a lose for cheating! In school if I was caught cheating I would get a 0, not a win.[/QUOTE]
Myself an a couple of Little Leaguers could beat the Jets right now, the cheating had no impact on the outcome of the game.
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[quote name='ph33r m3']Nolan,Hostler,Manusky all gone hopefully.
About Smiths supporting cast, i'd call it more than decent, Gore, Davis, Lelie, Battle, Jackson, that's a shit load better than Curtis,LJ Smith, Lewis, and Westbrook.
But like you said that's a whole other thread.[/QUOTE]
I'd take Curtis over any one of SF's Wideouts.
About Smiths supporting cast, i'd call it more than decent, Gore, Davis, Lelie, Battle, Jackson, that's a shit load better than Curtis,LJ Smith, Lewis, and Westbrook.
But like you said that's a whole other thread.[/QUOTE]
I'd take Curtis over any one of SF's Wideouts.
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[quote name='bigdaddy']And the Pats are the "poor sports"....
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840
And the Pats shouldn't be 7-0, they should be 6-1 because the first game should have been a lose for cheating! In school if I was caught cheating I would get a 0, not a win.[/quote]
Hell, give them the tapes back then because at least teams were competetive when they were "cheating".
I'm a Redskins fan, a fan of the team that got anihilated last week. The Pats are just damn good. Right now the Colts (and maybe the Steelers) are the only teams that could even remotely compete with them with their remaining schedule.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840
And the Pats shouldn't be 7-0, they should be 6-1 because the first game should have been a lose for cheating! In school if I was caught cheating I would get a 0, not a win.[/quote]
Hell, give them the tapes back then because at least teams were competetive when they were "cheating".
I'm a Redskins fan, a fan of the team that got anihilated last week. The Pats are just damn good. Right now the Colts (and maybe the Steelers) are the only teams that could even remotely compete with them with their remaining schedule.
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[quote name='dafoomie']http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wilbur/sports_blog/blog/2007/11/01/four_score_and_several_more/[/quote]
Good article.
I think the different reactions have less to do with the QBs as it does with the coaches.
Tony Dungy has always been a likeable guy, where as Belichick's monotone, aloof, personality comes off as arrogant and unfriendly to a lot of people.
I had no problem with anything the Pats did against my Skins. The Skins had a pretty good defense before they met the Pats, and the Pats played their game well. I mean, what are tehy supposed to do? Just have Brady hand the ball to the defense so they have a chance to narrow the gap? So what if Brady wasn't taken out. Belichick can call the game however he wants.
A lot of this nonsense remind me of last year in the NBA when Isaiah Thomas (a convicted sexual harasser) was bitching about being "disrespected" by the Nuggets last year and that the other team should "show some class".
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2700761
Unless they are moonwalking after plays and signing autographs on timeouts, people just need to shut the up and stop playing so piss poor.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2700761
Good article.
I think the different reactions have less to do with the QBs as it does with the coaches.
Tony Dungy has always been a likeable guy, where as Belichick's monotone, aloof, personality comes off as arrogant and unfriendly to a lot of people.
I had no problem with anything the Pats did against my Skins. The Skins had a pretty good defense before they met the Pats, and the Pats played their game well. I mean, what are tehy supposed to do? Just have Brady hand the ball to the defense so they have a chance to narrow the gap? So what if Brady wasn't taken out. Belichick can call the game however he wants.
A lot of this nonsense remind me of last year in the NBA when Isaiah Thomas (a convicted sexual harasser) was bitching about being "disrespected" by the Nuggets last year and that the other team should "show some class".
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2700761
Unless they are moonwalking after plays and signing autographs on timeouts, people just need to shut the
up and stop playing so piss poor. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2700761
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[quote name='dafoomie']http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wilbur/sports_blog/blog/2007/11/01/four_score_and_several_more/[/QUOTE]
49-14 - 4th Quarter scoring: 7 points
41-10 - 4th Quarter scoring: 0 points
41-9 - 4th Quarter scoring: 0 points
51-24 - 4th Quarter scoring: 10 points (Titans scored all their points in the first quarter)
Peyton threw 18 TDs over those four games (six vs Detroit).
Over Brady's last four he has 17 pass TDs and 2 rush.
Just putting the info out there for those who are curious.
49-14 - 4th Quarter scoring: 7 points
41-10 - 4th Quarter scoring: 0 points
41-9 - 4th Quarter scoring: 0 points
51-24 - 4th Quarter scoring: 10 points (Titans scored all their points in the first quarter)
Peyton threw 18 TDs over those four games (six vs Detroit).
Over Brady's last four he has 17 pass TDs and 2 rush.
Just putting the info out there for those who are curious.
[quote name='CocheseUGA']49-14 - 4th Quarter scoring: 7 points
41-10 - 4th Quarter scoring: 0 points
41-9 - 4th Quarter scoring: 0 points
51-24 - 4th Quarter scoring: 10 points (Titans scored all their points in the first quarter)
Peyton threw 18 TDs over those four games (six vs Detroit).
Over Brady's last four he has 17 pass TDs and 2 rush.
Just putting the info out there for those who are curious.[/QUOTE]
The Pats have scored 7 points in the 4th quarter of most of their games, 14 vs Washington, but 7 was by Cassel. They scored 17 in the Dallas game, which was not a blowout until then, with the last TD by the 5th string RB running up the gut.
I fail to see how this is the difference between "making the football field their canvas" and "running up the score".
Did you read the article, or just my quote?
41-10 - 4th Quarter scoring: 0 points
41-9 - 4th Quarter scoring: 0 points
51-24 - 4th Quarter scoring: 10 points (Titans scored all their points in the first quarter)
Peyton threw 18 TDs over those four games (six vs Detroit).
Over Brady's last four he has 17 pass TDs and 2 rush.
Just putting the info out there for those who are curious.[/QUOTE]
The Pats have scored 7 points in the 4th quarter of most of their games, 14 vs Washington, but 7 was by Cassel. They scored 17 in the Dallas game, which was not a blowout until then, with the last TD by the 5th string RB running up the gut.
I fail to see how this is the difference between "making the football field their canvas" and "running up the score".
Did you read the article, or just my quote?
[quote name='dafoomie']http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wilbur/sports_blog/blog/2007/11/01/four_score_and_several_more/[/quote]There's been lots of discussions on that matter on the local talk shows here that I've heard off and on. It would be interesting to dig up the play selection in the last quarter though.
What I find more of an interesting argument, is this whole Brady vs. Manning thing. It seems like there's a double standard all around. The big statistic is 3 Super Bowls to 1 and that fact is not arguable. But people keep bringing up how Peyton has always had weapons around him (which he has) and Brady only getting that chance now, but then it's glossed over how Colts teams in the past have had no defensive presence. If there was one other constant on Pats' teams of the past (aside from Brady), they've had really good, if not great defenses.
Everyone is getting so enamoured with offense these days that we then forget the creed that "defense wins championships". So how is it that Brady is lauded for winning championships without having the offensive players around him, but having solid and stout defenses, but Manning's failures are highlighted with the lack of a defense (and special teams) in the past glossed over just because he has talent on the offensive side?
Edit: dafoomie, as a NE area resident, I have a question for you: A local radio show host here made an interesting point that he has never heard NE fans give credit to Manning nor would they admit that he's a great QB (I'm guessing always having an addendum much like Berman's "yeah, but"). He goes on to say, which I will attest to, that local fans here have no problem admitting how great Brady is, though. Obviously he's had far more exposure to sports culture in other areas than me, since I don't pay attention much, but would you say there's any validity to his statement?
What I find more of an interesting argument, is this whole Brady vs. Manning thing. It seems like there's a double standard all around. The big statistic is 3 Super Bowls to 1 and that fact is not arguable. But people keep bringing up how Peyton has always had weapons around him (which he has) and Brady only getting that chance now, but then it's glossed over how Colts teams in the past have had no defensive presence. If there was one other constant on Pats' teams of the past (aside from Brady), they've had really good, if not great defenses.
Everyone is getting so enamoured with offense these days that we then forget the creed that "defense wins championships". So how is it that Brady is lauded for winning championships without having the offensive players around him, but having solid and stout defenses, but Manning's failures are highlighted with the lack of a defense (and special teams) in the past glossed over just because he has talent on the offensive side?
Edit: dafoomie, as a NE area resident, I have a question for you: A local radio show host here made an interesting point that he has never heard NE fans give credit to Manning nor would they admit that he's a great QB (I'm guessing always having an addendum much like Berman's "yeah, but"). He goes on to say, which I will attest to, that local fans here have no problem admitting how great Brady is, though. Obviously he's had far more exposure to sports culture in other areas than me, since I don't pay attention much, but would you say there's any validity to his statement?
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Edit: dafoomie, as a NE area resident, I have a question for you: A local radio show host here made an interesting point that he has never heard NE fans give credit to Manning nor would they admit that he's a great QB (I'm guessing always having an addendum much like Berman's "yeah, but"). He goes on to say, which I will attest to, that local fans here have no problem admitting how great Brady is, though. Obviously he's had far more exposure to sports culture in other areas than me, since I don't pay attention much, but would you say there's any validity to his statement?[/QUOTE]
Was that D&C?
Manning is an all time great, that is indisputable, and I don't think anyone here does or should deny that. But Brady is better.
The better offensive weapons argument is more about the people that say Manning is better because of the regular season numbers. Manning put up better numbers than Brady because of the systems they played and the players around them.
Now that Brady has a hall of fame caliber supporting cast like Manning did, and an offense favorable to Brady's stats, we can put the better regular season stats and regular season MVP line of reasoning to rest, since Brady is on pace to destroy those numbers. Theres no longer an argument there, at best you could call them equal.
Its no coincidence that Manning's success in the playoffs started when the Colts started playing defense. But, Manning also has a hand in their past failures, like in 04 when they only scored 3 points against the Pats, after putting up 49 against Denver. Manning no longer has to win the game for the Colts to win, as seen in the Superbowl, he can be kind of a non factor for much of the game and not make mistakes, and still win.
Was that D&C?
Manning is an all time great, that is indisputable, and I don't think anyone here does or should deny that. But Brady is better.
The better offensive weapons argument is more about the people that say Manning is better because of the regular season numbers. Manning put up better numbers than Brady because of the systems they played and the players around them.
Now that Brady has a hall of fame caliber supporting cast like Manning did, and an offense favorable to Brady's stats, we can put the better regular season stats and regular season MVP line of reasoning to rest, since Brady is on pace to destroy those numbers. Theres no longer an argument there, at best you could call them equal.
Its no coincidence that Manning's success in the playoffs started when the Colts started playing defense. But, Manning also has a hand in their past failures, like in 04 when they only scored 3 points against the Pats, after putting up 49 against Denver. Manning no longer has to win the game for the Colts to win, as seen in the Superbowl, he can be kind of a non factor for much of the game and not make mistakes, and still win.
[quote name='nikelecious91']No one on that list can compare to Westbrook. Not even Frank Gore. He has more yards with the same amount of carries as Gore as a RB. The Eagles recievers I do admit are just average but I'd take Curtis over Battle and Jackson anyday. So I wouldn't say "shit load better".[/QUOTE]
I don't know about all that. When you say can't compare Gore, Gore had his coming out party last year and had more total yards then Westbrook. He also can carry the ball 30 + times a game if you need him to, something Westbrook can't do. Don't get me wrong, Westbrook is a hell of a player but I don't think you can say you cannot compare the two. This year Gore's problems are not because of him. A terrible passing game will hurt your running game. When teams stack 8 or 9 in the box and they are not afraid at all of your down field passing abilities you cannot run the ball. I would also take Jackson over Curtis. Curtis had a couple of good games this year but he is no way a consistent player and on most teams he is maybe a number 2 WR if not a 3, just like he was in St. Louis. Jackson has his problems with drops sometimes but has always been a solid number 2 WR and was the number one target in Seattle.
I don't know about all that. When you say can't compare Gore, Gore had his coming out party last year and had more total yards then Westbrook. He also can carry the ball 30 + times a game if you need him to, something Westbrook can't do. Don't get me wrong, Westbrook is a hell of a player but I don't think you can say you cannot compare the two. This year Gore's problems are not because of him. A terrible passing game will hurt your running game. When teams stack 8 or 9 in the box and they are not afraid at all of your down field passing abilities you cannot run the ball. I would also take Jackson over Curtis. Curtis had a couple of good games this year but he is no way a consistent player and on most teams he is maybe a number 2 WR if not a 3, just like he was in St. Louis. Jackson has his problems with drops sometimes but has always been a solid number 2 WR and was the number one target in Seattle.
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[quote name='dafoomie']The Pats have scored 7 points in the 4th quarter of most of their games, 14 vs Washington, but 7 was by Cassel. They scored 17 in the Dallas game, which was not a blowout until then, with the last TD by the 5th string RB running up the gut.
I fail to see how this is the difference between "making the football field their canvas" and "running up the score".
Did you read the article, or just my quote?[/QUOTE]
I was never commenting on the difference, just providing information for those who did not have access to it.
I fail to see how this is the difference between "making the football field their canvas" and "running up the score".
Did you read the article, or just my quote?[/QUOTE]
I was never commenting on the difference, just providing information for those who did not have access to it.
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would any pats fans be interested in raider moss jerseys? i see them all the time marked down 60-80 bucks. there are mostly only black ones left but the white/silver ones arent that hard to come across. ive seen these in almost every footlocker ive been to just a heads up.
[quote name='monkeydeew']would any pats fans be interested in raider moss jerseys? i see them all the time marked down 60-80 bucks. there are mostly only black ones left but the white/silver ones arent that hard to come across. ive seen these in almost every footlocker ive been to just a heads up.[/QUOTE]
They have his Radiers 'bighead' wall picture for around $25, they normally go for $100.
They have his Radiers 'bighead' wall picture for around $25, they normally go for $100.
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Nothing is worse than Terrence Moore.
His latest column asks the Braves to sign Ken Griffey Jr to play CF.
Yeah, that's what I said too.
His latest column asks the Braves to sign Ken Griffey Jr to play CF.
Yeah, that's what I said too.
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[quote name='dafoomie']They have his Radiers 'bighead' wall picture for around $25, they normally go for $100.[/quote]
Same thing happened to the TO and Garcia stuff around here. Garcia shirts were down to $1.
Same thing happened to the TO and Garcia stuff around here. Garcia shirts were down to $1.
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