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I'm sorry but Grossman is TERRIBLE, you can't blame his recievers and running game for his 440 interceptions per game. Your recievers can't get open...get rid of it. Brady has been getting it done with bad recievers up until this year...Grossman has no excuse. With a D like the Bears all he needs to do is be like Garrard and not make stupid mistakes constantly.
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Martz just got fired in Detroit. Yet another scapegoat. Now Marenilli promoted TWO Offensive Co-Coordinators...what a mess. Time to rebuild...oh wait, we have been doing that since 1957 
[quote name='bil4ltool']I'm sorry but Grossman is TERRIBLE, you can't blame his recievers and running game for his 440 interceptions per game. Your recievers can't get open...get rid of it. Brady has been getting it done with bad recievers up until this year...Grossman has no excuse. With a D like the Bears all he needs to do is be like Garrard and not make stupid mistakes constantly.[/quote]
okay.. how many games do you give a QB to get experience in the NFL enough so he can be a quality starter.. because before last season.. he started 6 games in the NFL....
okay.. how many games do you give a QB to get experience in the NFL enough so he can be a quality starter.. because before last season.. he started 6 games in the NFL....
[quote name='doubledown']Martz just got fired in Detroit. Yet another scapegoat. Now Marenilli promoted TWO Offensive Co-Coordinators...what a mess. Time to rebuild...oh wait, we have been doing that since 1957 [/QUOTE]
Supposedly the Niners are going to go after Martz now.....
[/QUOTE]Supposedly the Niners are going to go after Martz now.....
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[quote name='DomLando']Supposedly the Niners are going to go after Martz now.....[/QUOTE]
He could have a nice spot there that could lead to a head coaching gig. It will get the Niners back to the west coast offense
He could have a nice spot there that could lead to a head coaching gig. It will get the Niners back to the west coast offense
[quote name='DJSteel']okay.. how many games do you give a QB to get experience in the NFL enough so he can be a quality starter.. because before last season.. he started 6 games in the NFL....[/quote]
That's the thing...you can progress while not making numerous mistakes like Garrard, or Big Ben from a few years ago. Garrard has a D that can shut down teams and he's able to simply manage and make a few big throws a game. Big Ben had to do the same thing when he was a rookie, and he did. Grossman loses games for his team, when all he has to do is play decent and not throw a ton of picks, or fumble it. Grossman isn't playing on a no defense team that has to win by scoring 30+points a game.
Say what you will, but the Bears would be foolish to invest any money in this scrub, when pretty much any FA quarterback or Orton can do just as well.
That's the thing...you can progress while not making numerous mistakes like Garrard, or Big Ben from a few years ago. Garrard has a D that can shut down teams and he's able to simply manage and make a few big throws a game. Big Ben had to do the same thing when he was a rookie, and he did. Grossman loses games for his team, when all he has to do is play decent and not throw a ton of picks, or fumble it. Grossman isn't playing on a no defense team that has to win by scoring 30+points a game.
Say what you will, but the Bears would be foolish to invest any money in this scrub, when pretty much any FA quarterback or Orton can do just as well.
[quote name='bil4ltool']That's the thing...you can progress while not making numerous mistakes like Garrard, or Big Ben from a few years ago. Garrard has a D that can shut down teams and he's able to simply manage and make a few big throws a game. Big Ben had to do the same thing when he was a rookie, and he did. Grossman loses games for his team, when all he has to do is play decent and not throw a ton of picks, or fumble it. Grossman isn't playing on a no defense team that has to win by scoring 30+points a game.
Say what you will, but the Bears would be foolish to invest any money in this scrub, when pretty much any FA quarterback or Orton can do just as well.[/quote]
Garrard is a game manager.. Grossman is a gun slinger...two totally different types of QBs... tell me who they could get in either FA or in the draft that would be better...and until he is in the FA pool do not include McNabb....
Say what you will, but the Bears would be foolish to invest any money in this scrub, when pretty much any FA quarterback or Orton can do just as well.[/quote]
Garrard is a game manager.. Grossman is a gun slinger...two totally different types of QBs... tell me who they could get in either FA or in the draft that would be better...and until he is in the FA pool do not include McNabb....
[quote name='fart_bubble']He could have a nice spot there that could lead to a head coaching gig. It will get the Niners back to the west coast offense[/QUOTE]
Yeah well you need a QB to run the West Coast offense something the Niners are lacking as of right now. Hopefully they fix that in the draft or Free Agency.
Yeah well you need a QB to run the West Coast offense something the Niners are lacking as of right now. Hopefully they fix that in the draft or Free Agency.
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[quote name='DomLando']Yeah well you need a QB to run the West Coast offense something the Niners are lacking as of right now. Hopefully they fix that in the draft or Free Agency.[/QUOTE]
I can't wait to see Alex Smith get away from the Niners, would be nice to actually see what he can do when he has a coordinator that sticks around for more than a season.
I can't wait to see Alex Smith get away from the Niners, would be nice to actually see what he can do when he has a coordinator that sticks around for more than a season.
[quote name='bil4ltool']2. Moose and Berrian are quality....their D started faltering this year. Drating straight offense is a tremendous way to tank the team.
4. If they could sign Grossman for a 10 year 25 cent contract, maybe. Why would you want Grossman, seriously? He doesn't even know how to manage and not lose games, let alone win games. Talk about putting your money elsewhere, at least Briggs gets stuff done.[/quote]
Trust me that the defense will be fine next year IF the philosophy changes next year. For the majority of this year they sat back and played their cover 2, letting opposing offenses pick them apart. The last 2 games of the season they blitzed like hell, which in turn helped them beat the Packers and the Saints. And the defense suffered as many injuries this year as any defense I have ever seen, including the Giants D this year. If they can get healthy next year they have a chance to be a great D again.
And Mushin is not a quality reciever anymore. He is just too slow to do anything in this league. Berrrian will most likely leave but they should at least attempt to sign him in the offseason.
And I do want the Bears to attempt to sign Grossman for cheap. People really don't understand how much talent that kid has. His problems are about 90% mental. When he got his starting job back in the middle of the season he only threw one INT in almost 4 complete games. People just look at his numbers and listen to other people rip on him constantly, then they decide that must be the verdict so they rip him too. Most people's hate for Grossman is just blind, or maybe the 2 games they've actually seen him play in were enough to decide his fate. If he goes somewhere else in FA he will be a good QB for someone. That is what players do when they leave Chicago, they all of a sudden get good. Bears fans are too quick to want to bury this kid.
And if they let him go where in the hell do they get a QB? Kyle Orton as the starter? Brian Griese? There are almost no options out there in FA this year so where the hell do they turn? Donovan McNabb? Our O-line would get him murdered. It would be as if he played against the Giants 16 games a year.
4. If they could sign Grossman for a 10 year 25 cent contract, maybe. Why would you want Grossman, seriously? He doesn't even know how to manage and not lose games, let alone win games. Talk about putting your money elsewhere, at least Briggs gets stuff done.[/quote]
Trust me that the defense will be fine next year IF the philosophy changes next year. For the majority of this year they sat back and played their cover 2, letting opposing offenses pick them apart. The last 2 games of the season they blitzed like hell, which in turn helped them beat the Packers and the Saints. And the defense suffered as many injuries this year as any defense I have ever seen, including the Giants D this year. If they can get healthy next year they have a chance to be a great D again.
And Mushin is not a quality reciever anymore. He is just too slow to do anything in this league. Berrrian will most likely leave but they should at least attempt to sign him in the offseason.
And I do want the Bears to attempt to sign Grossman for cheap. People really don't understand how much talent that kid has. His problems are about 90% mental. When he got his starting job back in the middle of the season he only threw one INT in almost 4 complete games. People just look at his numbers and listen to other people rip on him constantly, then they decide that must be the verdict so they rip him too. Most people's hate for Grossman is just blind, or maybe the 2 games they've actually seen him play in were enough to decide his fate. If he goes somewhere else in FA he will be a good QB for someone. That is what players do when they leave Chicago, they all of a sudden get good. Bears fans are too quick to want to bury this kid.
And if they let him go where in the hell do they get a QB? Kyle Orton as the starter? Brian Griese? There are almost no options out there in FA this year so where the hell do they turn? Donovan McNabb? Our O-line would get him murdered. It would be as if he played against the Giants 16 games a year.
[quote name='fart_bubble']I can't wait to see Alex Smith get away from the Niners, would be nice to actually see what he can do when he has a coordinator that sticks around for more than a season.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I think that was a problem but personally I just do not think he is starting QB material. He is not accurate, he cannot read defenses, and he has no composure in the the pocket. Not having the same Offensive coordinator is an issue, but that can't fix a QB who is just not good.
Yeah I think that was a problem but personally I just do not think he is starting QB material. He is not accurate, he cannot read defenses, and he has no composure in the the pocket. Not having the same Offensive coordinator is an issue, but that can't fix a QB who is just not good.
[quote name='DJSteel']Garrard is a game manager.. Grossman is a gun slinger...two totally different types of QBs... tell me who they could get in either FA or in the draft that would be better...and until he is in the FA pool do not include McNabb....[/QUOTE]
A game manager can get by in the NFL with limited skills, look at Trent Dilfer. A gun slinger that isn't very good, simply isn't very good.
If he's so inexperienced, get a veteran in there as insurance. Make Grossman fight for his job. Keep him on the cheap if you'd like, but definitely try to upgrade the position. Chicago won't go anywhere with Grossman in the immediate future. I doubt they ever will, but I won't speculate on his potential (or lack thereof). I do know that he can't get the job done today.
A game manager can get by in the NFL with limited skills, look at Trent Dilfer. A gun slinger that isn't very good, simply isn't very good.
If he's so inexperienced, get a veteran in there as insurance. Make Grossman fight for his job. Keep him on the cheap if you'd like, but definitely try to upgrade the position. Chicago won't go anywhere with Grossman in the immediate future. I doubt they ever will, but I won't speculate on his potential (or lack thereof). I do know that he can't get the job done today.
[quote name='dafoomie']A game manager can get by in the NFL with limited skills, look at Trent Dilfer. A gun slinger that isn't very good, simply isn't very good.
If he's so inexperienced, get a veteran in there as insurance. Make Grossman fight for his job. Keep him on the cheap if you'd like, but definitely try to upgrade the position. Chicago won't go anywhere with Grossman in the immediate future. I doubt they ever will, but I won't speculate on his potential (or lack thereof). I do know that he can't get the job done today.[/quote]
like I said before name one FA QB that is out there now that can do better???
If he's so inexperienced, get a veteran in there as insurance. Make Grossman fight for his job. Keep him on the cheap if you'd like, but definitely try to upgrade the position. Chicago won't go anywhere with Grossman in the immediate future. I doubt they ever will, but I won't speculate on his potential (or lack thereof). I do know that he can't get the job done today.[/quote]
like I said before name one FA QB that is out there now that can do better???
[quote name='DJSteel']like I said before name one FA QB that is out there now that can do better???[/QUOTE]
Derek Anderson is available from the Browns. He's a restricted free agent, and Cleveland won't pay him and Brady Quinn. Chad Pennington might also be available, and I'd still consider Donovan McNabb an upgrade at this point too if he's let go. I'd pass on Culpepper though, he's done.
I think Drew Bledsoe could come out of retirement and do better than Grossman right now. They're both statues in the pocket.
Ryan Leaf's brother is also eligible for the 2008 draft.
Derek Anderson is available from the Browns. He's a restricted free agent, and Cleveland won't pay him and Brady Quinn. Chad Pennington might also be available, and I'd still consider Donovan McNabb an upgrade at this point too if he's let go. I'd pass on Culpepper though, he's done.
I think Drew Bledsoe could come out of retirement and do better than Grossman right now. They're both statues in the pocket.
Ryan Leaf's brother is also eligible for the 2008 draft.
[quote name='dafoomie']Derek Anderson is available from the Browns. He's a restricted free agent, and Cleveland won't pay him and Brady Quinn. Chad Pennington might also be available, and I'd still consider Donovan McNabb an upgrade at this point too if he's let go. I'd pass on Culpepper though, he's done.
I think Drew Bledsoe could come out of retirement and do better than Grossman right now. They're both statues in the pocket.
Ryan Leaf's brother is also eligible for the 2008 draft.[/quote]
that's the best you got??? Drew Bledsoe???
they'll franchise Andersen, Pennington is staying unless he asks to be traded..and McNabb shouldn't be a thought yet because he isn't a FA yet.. plus you got to contend with Minnesota for him. if he does become one..
I think Drew Bledsoe could come out of retirement and do better than Grossman right now. They're both statues in the pocket.
Ryan Leaf's brother is also eligible for the 2008 draft.[/quote]
that's the best you got??? Drew Bledsoe???
they'll franchise Andersen, Pennington is staying unless he asks to be traded..and McNabb shouldn't be a thought yet because he isn't a FA yet.. plus you got to contend with Minnesota for him. if he does become one..
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[quote name='DomLando']Yeah I think that was a problem but personally I just do not think he is starting QB material. He is not accurate, he cannot read defenses, and he has no composure in the the pocket. Not having the same Offensive coordinator is an issue, but that can't fix a QB who is just not good.[/quote]
If Mike Martz is hired as OC, that would be horrible. Might as well trade off Frank Gore and Vernon Davis..
Great News...Mike Nolan will stay another year, the guy is 16-32 over 3 seasons. What the
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If Mike Martz is hired as OC, that would be horrible. Might as well trade off Frank Gore and Vernon Davis..
Great News...Mike Nolan will stay another year, the guy is 16-32 over 3 seasons. What the
?[quote name='DJSteel']that's the best you got??? Drew Bledsoe???
they'll franchise Andersen, Pennington is staying unless he asks to be traded..and McNabb shouldn't be a thought yet because he isn't a FA yet.. plus you got to contend with Minnesota for him. if he does become one..[/QUOTE]
They won't franchise Anderson and keep him, they're not going to pay him top 5 money. All franchising him means is that signing him to an offer sheet will cost you 2 1sts instead of a 1st and 3rd. If he's franchised, that means he's definitely out of Cleveland.
2 1sts seems like a bargain for a guy with 29 TDs and 3700 yards. Get him quick, or the Dolphins will.
they'll franchise Andersen, Pennington is staying unless he asks to be traded..and McNabb shouldn't be a thought yet because he isn't a FA yet.. plus you got to contend with Minnesota for him. if he does become one..[/QUOTE]
They won't franchise Anderson and keep him, they're not going to pay him top 5 money. All franchising him means is that signing him to an offer sheet will cost you 2 1sts instead of a 1st and 3rd. If he's franchised, that means he's definitely out of Cleveland.
2 1sts seems like a bargain for a guy with 29 TDs and 3700 yards. Get him quick, or the Dolphins will.
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People in Detroit are saying the Lions should pursue Anderson....I say NO WAY....a 1st and 3rd are still too much in my opinion.
[quote name='DJSteel']i guarantee the Browns sign Andersen... whether they trade him after that is not what is up for debate.. he won't be a free agent...[/QUOTE]
So what is the problem? Free agency is not the only way to get a player. Either trade for Derek Anderson or sign him to an offer sheet, which is effectively a trade.
Whether he's a free agent or on the trading block, he's a legit QB thats available.
So what is the problem? Free agency is not the only way to get a player. Either trade for Derek Anderson or sign him to an offer sheet, which is effectively a trade.
Whether he's a free agent or on the trading block, he's a legit QB thats available.
[quote name='dafoomie']So what is the problem? Free agency is not the only way to get a player. Either trade for Derek Anderson or sign him to an offer sheet, which is effectively a trade.
Whether he's a free agent or on the trading block, he's a legit QB thats available.[/quote]
there is a difference...think about it..you'd have to give up a lot more if you trade for him vs. free agency..
Whether he's a free agent or on the trading block, he's a legit QB thats available.[/quote]
there is a difference...think about it..you'd have to give up a lot more if you trade for him vs. free agency..
[quote name='DJSteel']there is a difference...think about it..you'd have to give up a lot more if you trade for him vs. free agency..[/QUOTE]
You have to give to get. In free agency, you lose more cap room. In a trade, you lose assets.
The 14th pick is nice, but a QB who is getting the job done right now is more important.
You have to give to get. In free agency, you lose more cap room. In a trade, you lose assets.
The 14th pick is nice, but a QB who is getting the job done right now is more important.
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[quote name='dafoomie']You have to give to get. In free agency, you lose more cap room. In a trade, you lose assets.
The 14th pick is nice, but a QB who is getting the job done right now is more important.[/quote]
If you make the trade you lose picks AND cap room. No matter how you sign the guy he's going to command big bucks. Unless you get the other team to eat a portion of his salary as terms of the trade.
The 14th pick is nice, but a QB who is getting the job done right now is more important.[/quote]
If you make the trade you lose picks AND cap room. No matter how you sign the guy he's going to command big bucks. Unless you get the other team to eat a portion of his salary as terms of the trade.
[quote name='dafoomie']You have to give to get. In free agency, you lose more cap room. In a trade, you lose assets.
The 14th pick is nice, but a QB who is getting the job done right now is more important.[/quote]
14th pick for a qb that had one good season.. when you have that same QB on the bench???
The 14th pick is nice, but a QB who is getting the job done right now is more important.[/quote]
14th pick for a qb that had one good season.. when you have that same QB on the bench???
[quote name='DJSteel']14th pick for a qb that had one good season.. when you have that same QB on the bench???[/QUOTE]
Grossman never had as good a season.
Hey, if you're happy with Grossman, feel free to suck for another few years. Its not my problem.
Grossman never had as good a season.
Hey, if you're happy with Grossman, feel free to suck for another few years. Its not my problem.
[quote name='dafoomie']Grossman never had as good a season.
Hey, if you're happy with Grossman, feel free to suck for another few years. Its not my problem.[/quote]
I'm not a Bears fan.. I just beg to differ to think you can trade away future players for one year wonders...
Hey, if you're happy with Grossman, feel free to suck for another few years. Its not my problem.[/quote]
I'm not a Bears fan.. I just beg to differ to think you can trade away future players for one year wonders...
Why the hell are people all over Derek Anderson's balls??? He had a year not that different from Grossman's last year, played really well 1st half of the season and then played not so well the 2nd half of the season. Grossman took his team to the SUPER BOWL, Anderson couldn't take his team to the PLAYOFFS. Seriously, the Bears should give up a 1st and a 3rd pick for a guy who hasn't played in a playoff game in his career?
Plus, look at what each has to work with. If Grossman had that offense in Cleveland to work with he would be a good QB. If you put Anderson on the Bears offense he would be terrible.
Plus, look at what each has to work with. If Grossman had that offense in Cleveland to work with he would be a good QB. If you put Anderson on the Bears offense he would be terrible.
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[quote name='cgarb84']Why the hell are people all over Derek Anderson's balls??? He had a year not that different from Grossman's last year, played really well 1st half of the season and then played not so well the 2nd half of the season. Grossman took his team to the SUPER BOWL, Anderson couldn't take his team to the PLAYOFFS. Seriously, the Bears should give up a 1st and a 3rd pick for a guy who hasn't played in a playoff game in his career?
Plus, look at what each has to work with. If Grossman had that offense in Cleveland to work with he would be a good QB. If you put Anderson on the Bears offense he would be terrible.[/QUOTE]
Grossman never took his team to the PLAYOFFS, the Bears Defense/Special Teams did.
Derek Anderson > Rex Grossman. Done.
Plus, look at what each has to work with. If Grossman had that offense in Cleveland to work with he would be a good QB. If you put Anderson on the Bears offense he would be terrible.[/QUOTE]
Grossman never took his team to the PLAYOFFS, the Bears Defense/Special Teams did.
Derek Anderson > Rex Grossman. Done.
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[quote name='pimpinc333']Grossman never took his team to the PLAYOFFS, the Bears Defense/Special Teams did.
Derek Anderson > Rex Grossman. Done.[/QUOTE]
Rex Grossman also never had Joe Thomas.
Derek Anderson > Rex Grossman. Done.[/QUOTE]
Rex Grossman also never had Joe Thomas.
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[quote name='DJSteel']fix'd..[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah. But it was interesting hearing Erik Kuselias talk about that point.
Well, yeah. But it was interesting hearing Erik Kuselias talk about that point.
Seems like hardly anybody is giving the Steelers a chance tomorrow.
Personally, I can't wait for the game. I think the Steelers gameplan is simple-stop the run at all costs and don't give up the deep bombs in the passing game (I'm looking at you Anthony Smith). Carter starting should solve the latter. I wouldn't trust Garrard to win the game on his own in his 1st playoff game. Because it's simple doesn't mean it will be easy though. The D's gotta come out with some fire.
Ben's gotta have a huge game as well, since we have problems running on Jax's line. I think he'll step up.
Personally, I can't wait for the game. I think the Steelers gameplan is simple-stop the run at all costs and don't give up the deep bombs in the passing game (I'm looking at you Anthony Smith). Carter starting should solve the latter. I wouldn't trust Garrard to win the game on his own in his 1st playoff game. Because it's simple doesn't mean it will be easy though. The D's gotta come out with some fire.
Ben's gotta have a huge game as well, since we have problems running on Jax's line. I think he'll step up.
[quote name='primetime']Seems like hardly anybody is giving the Steelers a chance tomorrow.
Personally, I can't wait for the game. I think the Steelers gameplan is simple-stop the run at all costs and don't give up the deep bombs in the passing game (I'm looking at you Anthony Smith). Carter starting should solve the latter. I wouldn't trust Garrard to win the game on his own in his 1st playoff game. Because it's simple doesn't mean it will be easy though. The D's gotta come out with some fire.
Ben's gotta have a huge game as well, since we have problems running on Jax's line. I think he'll step up.[/quote]
Is it his first playoff game? I think he played in the New England game a couple of years ago, but did not start.
I am kind of scared that everyone is piling on the Jacksonville bandwagon here recently.
Personally, I can't wait for the game. I think the Steelers gameplan is simple-stop the run at all costs and don't give up the deep bombs in the passing game (I'm looking at you Anthony Smith). Carter starting should solve the latter. I wouldn't trust Garrard to win the game on his own in his 1st playoff game. Because it's simple doesn't mean it will be easy though. The D's gotta come out with some fire.
Ben's gotta have a huge game as well, since we have problems running on Jax's line. I think he'll step up.[/quote]
Is it his first playoff game? I think he played in the New England game a couple of years ago, but did not start.
I am kind of scared that everyone is piling on the Jacksonville bandwagon here recently.
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well, jacksonville is one of the most underrated teams in the nfl right now
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WTF was that from the Skins?
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seahawks win
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[quote name='GuilewasNK']WTF was that from the Skins?[/QUOTE]
Over achievement?
Over achievement?
I didn't have anything to root for in this game, but I was surprised at how the Redskins squandered that "onside kick" recovery and came up with 0 pts.
Anywho, as for the Jags/Steelers game, this is exactly what I was expecting. The Steelers just haven't shown to be a solid, consistent team :/
Anywho, as for the Jags/Steelers game, this is exactly what I was expecting. The Steelers just haven't shown to be a solid, consistent team :/
bread's done