NFL 2010-2011 Season Discussion Thread

[quote name='pitfallharry219']Dallas is catching a fat beatdown from the Jags right now. No Tony Romo, and they're still not running the ball as much as they should be when they've got THREE capable backs. Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Dallas doesn't have a winnable game left on the schedule. Arizona might be winnable, but I doubt it.

So I hope the the Bills could win a game or 2.

Dallas needs to draft an offensive lineman or defensive back/safety.
 
Josh Freeman with a beautiful throw to Mike Williams over the top. This guy is for real.

As a Bucs fan (yes, slight bias), I'm happy to see someone at the QB position that knows how to play the game. I don't care if he puts up 4 TDs and 450 yards passing, just don't turn the ball over & win the game and I'll be a happy Bucs fan. :D
 
It's just you. The lack of any perfect teams means that any team can win each week, which is exciting. Teams that seemed like a sure thing before are going down the drain (Dallas, Minnesota, Cincinnati) and teams that didn't have a shot are making a splash (St. Louis, Kansas City, Washington). Even Buffalo is putting scares into teams like Baltimore and New England when in year's past, they'd get creamed in every game.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Teams that seemed like a sure thing before are going down the drain (Dallas, Minnesota, Cincinnati)[/QUOTE]

I know they won the division last year, but I don't think you can ever consider the Bengals a "sure thing". :D
 
[quote name='bvharris']I know they won the division last year, but I don't think you can ever consider the Bengals a "sure thing". :D[/QUOTE]

But...but....the undynamic duo! :bouncy:
 
[quote name='usickenme']Maybe it's just me, but the NFL isn't that good this year as a whole.[/QUOTE]

It's definitely just you. :D

I love the NFL right now and over the past 10 years or so. It is so competitive and outside of 2 or 3 teams (Lions, Bills, Browns) every team has been pretty good recently and every year crap teams from the year before rise to the top and good teams go down. It makes it very exciting. I'm glad we don't have dynasties like the Cowboys and 49ers from the 80s and 90s anymore where you could stack 4 teams with the best players in the league. The Super Bowls in the past decade have been fantastic as a result - no more 30 point blowouts. The NFL shouldn't change a thing.
 
So it looks like Mark Sanchez's chariot is turning back into a pumpkin. I was always pretty sure his "strong" start to the season was a mirage, but now it's obvious. Fun fact: He has the lowest completion percentage in the NFL at 53%. If Tomlinson's fountain of youth runs dry the Jets might be in serious offensive trouble. Even if it is though, their defense is still going to keep them in most games because it is the real deal.
 
[quote name='javeryh']It's definitely just you. :D

I love the NFL right now and over the past 10 years or so. It is so competitive and outside of 2 or 3 teams (Lions, Bills, Browns) every team has been pretty good recently and every year crap teams from the year before rise to the top and good teams go down. It makes it very exciting. I'm glad we don't have dynasties like the Cowboys and 49ers from the 80s and 90s anymore where you could stack 4 teams with the best players in the league. The Super Bowls in the past decade have been fantastic as a result - no more 30 point blowouts. The NFL shouldn't change a thing.[/QUOTE]


parity is nice but I was talking about the level of play/ quality of the games.
 
[quote name='usickenme']parity is nice but I was talking about the level of play/ quality of the games.[/QUOTE]

I've seen some great games and some clunkers this year, same as every year. Do you have any examples of why you think the level of play, etc is appreciably worse?
 
I would laugh so hard if he ended up back on the Patriots. I'm sure he'll get picked up by a team like Chicago or Washington who needs WR help. The Pats get last crack on him since they have the best record in the league (w00t).
 
[quote name='bvharris']So it looks like Mark Sanchez's chariot is turning back into a pumpkin. I was always pretty sure his "strong" start to the season was a mirage, but now it's obvious. Fun fact: He has the lowest completion percentage in the NFL at 53%. If Tomlinson's fountain of youth runs dry the Jets might be in serious offensive trouble. Even if it is though, their defense is still going to keep them in most games because it is the real deal.[/QUOTE]

I really have never understood the Sanchez and Jets lovin' the media gives them. His QB rating has been consistently low. He makes poor decisions. Aside from LT, who's going to have to fall apart soon, and their defense, nothing about the Jets says elite team to me.

I'm feeling like this weekend is the beginning of the end for the media darling Jets. I'm not saying they're gonna go on a losing streak but by the end of the season I doubt any analysts are going to be picking them as their number 1 overall team. It was quite amusing this weekend though. Pre-game was all about, who's your top teams for the NFL. Everyone was picking the Jets with the Steelers and the Ravens at 2nd/3rd. Then the Jets get completely embarrassed in a shutout by a Packers team that is limping by on injuries and suddenly those same analysts are going well, they weren't quite as strong as I originally thought and I uh wouldn't put them at number one but I mean they could still be at number 2 or 3...

These analysts just need to admit they're pulling stuff out of their asses sometimes and they might be slightly more entertaining to watch. Anyone remember at the beginning of the season when the Saints were supposed to be the team to beat again? Yeah, that folded quick. Then the Bears had a couple good weeks at the beginning and they were suddenly the team to beat. Not anymore they aren't.

I think it all comes down to looking at more than just 1 or 2 games. These analysts have such a short term memory and short-sightedness that they don't seem to want to realize the fact that Mark Sanchez has a lower QB rating than a lot of backup quarterbacks. Going back to what I was saying about LT being the heart of their offense, most of the analysts brushed it off and claimed he would likely not play much of a factor in their success. Now they're saying the Jets are successful this season thus solidifying their pick but it happened for a completely different reason than they gave initially. I mean hell, they were right about the Jets defense which is still one of the best in the NFL but not because of Darrelle Revis like they initially were saying.
 
There's no doubt the Jets' hype has been off the charts. But even as a Patriots fan I have to grant this: That defense is the real deal. The way Sanchez and the whole offense played yesterday it's amazing the defense didn't give up more given the spots they were put in. The D alone will keep them in the conversation.
 
[quote name='Tony208']Pats are the real deal cause they do nothing good yet still win games and that's what counts.[/QUOTE]

You mean they do nothing well. In any case, your premise is sound but your reasoning isn't. The Pats do any number of things well, including defend the run, protect the ball, and make big plays on special teams. Plus, they still have that Brady fella. There's immense value in playing disciplined mistake-free football, it's the difference between teams like New England and teams like San Diego and Dallas who have all the talent in the world but constantly shoot themselves in the foot.

But what you said sounds exactly like what people said about the Patriots teams who won 3 Super Bowls in the early 2000s, so even though it's wrong I don't mind.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I really have never understood the Sanchez and Jets lovin' the media gives them. His QB rating has been consistently low. He makes poor decisions. Aside from LT, who's going to have to fall apart soon, and their defense, nothing about the Jets says elite team to me.

I'm feeling like this weekend is the beginning of the end for the media darling Jets. I'm not saying they're gonna go on a losing streak but by the end of the season I doubt any analysts are going to be picking them as their number 1 overall team. It was quite amusing this weekend though. Pre-game was all about, who's your top teams for the NFL. Everyone was picking the Jets with the Steelers and the Ravens at 2nd/3rd. Then the Jets get completely embarrassed in a shutout by a Packers team that is limping by on injuries and suddenly those same analysts are going well, they weren't quite as strong as I originally thought and I uh wouldn't put them at number one but I mean they could still be at number 2 or 3...

These analysts just need to admit they're pulling stuff out of their asses sometimes and they might be slightly more entertaining to watch. Anyone remember at the beginning of the season when the Saints were supposed to be the team to beat again? Yeah, that folded quick. Then the Bears had a couple good weeks at the beginning and they were suddenly the team to beat. Not anymore they aren't.

I think it all comes down to looking at more than just 1 or 2 games. These analysts have such a short term memory and short-sightedness that they don't seem to want to realize the fact that Mark Sanchez has a lower QB rating than a lot of backup quarterbacks. Going back to what I was saying about LT being the heart of their offense, most of the analysts brushed it off and claimed he would likely not play much of a factor in their success. Now they're saying the Jets are successful this season thus solidifying their pick but it happened for a completely different reason than they gave initially. I mean hell, they were right about the Jets defense which is still one of the best in the NFL but not because of Darrelle Revis like they initially were saying.[/QUOTE]

Hey, they were 5-1 and tied for the best record. They could have easily won the first game and be undefeated before this week. They definitely should have been in the conversation as an elite team. They lose one game where the offense was nonexistent (just like the first game) and now they suck? I, too, am not that enamored with Sanchez as the QB but he's their option right now. He has shown he can be a good quarterback and the Jets have been winning with him at QB.
 
[quote name='usickenme']parity is nice but I was talking about the level of play/ quality of the games.[/QUOTE]

I think the quality of play is actually way better. There are many more plays being drawn up and formations defenses have to worry about. The players are so much more athletic right now too - you've got 330lb linemen pulling around the end to block and WRs that can somehow control the ball and get their feet in bounds like freaking acrobats. The only part of the game that may be on the decline a little is at QB - it is so much harder to play nowadays and it seems like there aren't as many elite QBs as there used to be. The rules have also changed too which may be making it seem worse - you can't hit QBs or block kicks without getting a flag and now WRs can't even get bumped. I don't know - I like the way things are now other than the fact that they need to rewrite/clarify the catch rules.
 
Ever since Tiki Barber's criticism, the Giants have answered back winning 4 straight. The Patriots as of right now are the number 1 team in the league.

Sounds like 2007... ;)
 
[quote name='bvharris']I know they won the division last year, but I don't think you can ever consider the Bengals a "sure thing". :D[/QUOTE]
I know, but people thought the additions of TO, Pacman, and a few other of the league's worst troublemakers would make them even better. They just reverted into the losing Bungles.
 
What's going with the Redskins? They got JaMarcus Russell trying out. How is Shannahan going to pull the bullshit fat ass excuse on McNabb then try to see if Russell could make the team?
 
[quote name='DT778']What's going with the Redskins? They got JaMarcus Russell trying out. How is Shannahan going to pull the fat ass card on McNabb then try to see if Russell could make the team?[/QUOTE]

I don't know what they're doing at all. But as a non-Skins fan living in DC, it's certainly made my commute more interesting this week listening to the Skins fans complaining on sports radio.
 
Now I really don't know what Shanahan's up to. Rex Grossman and now possibly JaMarcus Russell? This is one hell of a mindfuck and I'm not sure if there's a purpose behind this madness.
 
[quote name='DT778']What's going with the Redskins? They got JaMarcus Russell trying out. How is Shannahan going to pull the bullshit fat ass excuse on McNabb then try to see if Russell could make the team?[/QUOTE]

We love to pick up the league's leftovers :roll:. I'm sure we will workout moss as well.
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']We love to pick up the league's leftovers :roll:. I'm sure we will workout moss as well.[/QUOTE]

There's no "working him out" unless he clears waivers (which is doubtful), he's not a free agent. If they want him, they need to put a claim in sight unseen.

Also, it doesn't need to be pointed out that Randy Moss and JaMarcus Russell aren't exactly comparable. Any team getting Moss has to be prepared to take all the baggage along with the otherworldly talent.
 
[quote name='bvharris']There's no "working him out" unless he clears waivers (which is doubtful), he's not a free agent. If they want him, they need to put a claim in sight unseen.

Also, it doesn't need to be pointed out that Randy Moss and JaMarcus Russell aren't exactly comparable. Any team getting Moss has to be prepared to take all the baggage along with the otherworldly talent.[/QUOTE]

You missed the joke.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Looks like the Raiders may finally be headed in the right direction again.[/QUOTE]

I love Darren McFadden (he's on BOTH of my fantasy teams and I'm doing quite well in both leagues).
 
Pretty interesting story on NFL.com right now about the Vikings. Pretty much sums up that Brad Childress is a complete fuck-up and has lost complete control and confidence of his players. When Moss got dropped from the Vikings I thought that this could really spell the last season for Childress after wasting a 3rd round draft pick but now I'm seriously thinking he could potentially get fired before the end of the season.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...s-vikings-players-goes-way-back?module=HP_cp2
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Pretty interesting story on NFL.com right now about the Vikings. Pretty much sums up that Brad Childress is a complete fuck-up and has lost complete control and confidence of his players. When Moss got dropped from the Vikings I thought that this could really spell the last season for Childress after wasting a 3rd round draft pick but now I'm seriously thinking he could potentially get fired before the end of the season.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...s-vikings-players-goes-way-back?module=HP_cp2[/QUOTE]

Brad Childress is done. Which makes him number 2 on the firing line. I'm pretty sure Wade Phillips is number 1
 
[quote name='bvharris']I don't know what they're doing at all. But as a non-Skins fan living in DC, it's certainly made my commute more interesting this week listening to the Skins fans complaining on sports radio.[/QUOTE]


These are the time where I love listening to the Steve Czaban Show streaming on ESPN 980 out of DC.

All I know is trying out JaMarcus Russell, for ANY reason, proves Mike Shannahan is full of shit. I'm not a McNabb fan, but he's the guy right now, and what Shannahan did was asinine as was his excuse of McNabb's conditioning.
 
Brad is a fool for getting rid of Moss. Moss has only been on the team, what two weeks? So what if he's bashing the team a bit, the team sucks, I'm sorry. He went from a practically guaranteed playoff team to a team that will be lucky to get 6 wins this season...and he rarely gets the ball either.

I think he gets fired next season, as does Wade Phillips....and Moss will be picked up within two weeks max.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']
I think he gets fired next season, as does Wade Phillips....and Moss will be picked up within two weeks max.[/QUOTE]

It won't be two weeks. I would be floored if he doesn't get claimed by someone on waivers. On the off chance he isn't claimed, someone (may well be the Patriots) will surely sign him for less money this week.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Brad is a fool for getting rid of Moss. Moss has only been on the team, what two weeks? So what if he's bashing the team a bit, the team sucks, I'm sorry. He went from a practically guaranteed playoff team to a team that will be lucky to get 6 wins this season...and he rarely gets the ball either.

I think he gets fired next season, as does Wade Phillips....and Moss will be picked up within two weeks max.[/QUOTE]

The problem wasn't that he released Moss, the problem was that he let him get out of control in the first place. Its clear you haven't followed the situation at all otherwise you would know Moss will surely be picked up within the next 24 hours through waivers in addition to your lack of knowledge about what really happened in the incident. Nearly every news story on the issue has highlighted exactly what he did to raise the ire of Childress and none of it dealt with the Vikings team. It was all about his diva attitude and lack of respect for Childress which was VERY apparent in his post game interview, which I may add was conducted without any news media being able to ask questions because Randy has refused to answer any of the media's questions for the rest of the year.

Here's the deal, this situation doesn't just highlight one man's failures or the failure of the Vikings organization. It highlights 2 men's failures, and 2 men alone, Brad Childress and Randy Moss. Cutting Moss was the only hope Childress had of keeping his team in line, if he had allowed Randy to continue his antics he would have further lost control of the team. Really, at this point though he's just buying himself a little time because management is going to have an even closer eye on the situation in the Vikings locker room now.

Further, its a little soon to be calling the Patriots a "guaranteed playoff team." They're good, I'll give them that, but unfortunately so is the rest of the AFC and despite my feelings toward the Jets they're still relevant in the AFC East and will make life difficult for the Patriots. The Patriots are only up 1 game on the Jets. With the competitive level of the AFC North and South as well, they very well could lose out on a wild card position as well. Nothing is guaranteed 8 weeks into the season.

[quote name='bvharris']It won't be two weeks. I would be floored if he doesn't get claimed by someone on waivers. On the off chance he isn't claimed, someone (may well be the Patriots) will surely sign him for less money this week.[/QUOTE]

I will be very surprised as well if he doesn't get picked up on waivers. There's definitely a team out there desperate enough to pick him up but I would love to see him end up in Terrell Owens land at this point with no team willing to pick him up or sign him to any kind of long-term deal.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']
Further, its a little soon to be calling the Patriots a "guaranteed playoff team." They're good, I'll give them that, but unfortunately so is the rest of the AFC and despite my feelings toward the Jets they're still relevant in the AFC East and will make life difficult for the Patriots. The Patriots are only up 1 game on the Jets. With the competitive level of the AFC North and South as well, they very well could lose out on a wild card position as well. Nothing is guaranteed 8 weeks into the season.[/QUOTE]

Seriously. I wish 6 wins was a guarantee of anything. Tom Brady said it best after the Vikings game, and I'm paraphrasing: "if at the end of the year we've won 6 games, we haven't done anything." That's the right attitude. The Pats are always going to take it one game at a time, it helps that they have about 1/10th the ego of the Jets (most of the Pats' collective ego is dominated by Belichick. :D)
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']The problem wasn't that he released Moss, the problem was that he let him get out of control in the first place. Its clear you haven't followed the situation at all otherwise you would know Moss will surely be picked up within the next 24 hours through waivers in addition to your lack of knowledge about what really happened in the incident. Nearly every news story on the issue has highlighted exactly what he did to raise the ire of Childress and none of it dealt with the Vikings team. It was all about his diva attitude and lack of respect for Childress which was VERY apparent in his post game interview, which I may add was conducted without any news media being able to ask questions because Randy has refused to answer any of the media's questions for the rest of the year.

Here's the deal, this situation doesn't just highlight one man's failures or the failure of the Vikings organization. It highlights 2 men's failures, and 2 men alone, Brad Childress and Randy Moss. Cutting Moss was the only hope Childress had of keeping his team in line, if he had allowed Randy to continue his antics he would have further lost control of the team. Really, at this point though he's just buying himself a little time because management is going to have an even closer eye on the situation in the Vikings locker room now.

Further, its a little soon to be calling the Patriots a "guaranteed playoff team." They're good, I'll give them that, but unfortunately so is the rest of the AFC and despite my feelings toward the Jets they're still relevant in the AFC East and will make life difficult for the Patriots. The Patriots are only up 1 game on the Jets. With the competitive level of the AFC North and South as well, they very well could lose out on a wild card position as well. Nothing is guaranteed 8 weeks into the season.[/QUOTE]

I said "practically" I believe....In any case, it was a mistake for Childress to get rid of Moss. Everyone knows Moss is a diva, as is T.O. and Chad O. You sign a guy like Randy Moss and you have to expect some antics to go on.

The fact of the matter is that they didn't let Moss be on the team long enough. Moss could have done things for the team if he got the ball, and even if he didn't he helped open things up because he was always double teamed. Brad is just not a good coach, he's cutting Moss off of what seems to be emotion not what will help the Vikings win games.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Moss, Owens and Ochocinco should have a talk show.[/QUOTE]

Owens already does and Ochocinco is on it from time to time.
 
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