Nintendo E3 2011 Press Conference - Wii U, Luigi's Mansion 2, Smash Bros. Wii U/3DS
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I guess some fans can never be satisfied. Nintendo seems to have addressed the two of the biggest complaints about the Wii (HD graphics, 3rd party support) and people still complain.
People shrug about the games, which I can kinda understand, but what is left unsaid about the impact of what they showed is that a year before the console is out that there is some bigtime 3rd party support coming on line and they have time to actually play with the new controller to find the best uses for it. That should hearten anyone who was frustrated with 3rd party support with the Wii.
Also, there are many who just assume that this will be on par with the other two consoles and no better, with really nothing to back that up. We are really too early in the process to judge that either way, considering that there are no playable games at this point.
I'm not really the prime market for this just yet, since I usually play a generation behind anyways (I only bought my Wii last year and only just picked up a PS3 after playing with my PS2 for a while.) but for me, Nintendo didn't disappoint, by addressing their most glaring needs while yet again offering something new to the gameplay experience.
People shrug about the games, which I can kinda understand, but what is left unsaid about the impact of what they showed is that a year before the console is out that there is some bigtime 3rd party support coming on line and they have time to actually play with the new controller to find the best uses for it. That should hearten anyone who was frustrated with 3rd party support with the Wii.
Also, there are many who just assume that this will be on par with the other two consoles and no better, with really nothing to back that up. We are really too early in the process to judge that either way, considering that there are no playable games at this point.
I'm not really the prime market for this just yet, since I usually play a generation behind anyways (I only bought my Wii last year and only just picked up a PS3 after playing with my PS2 for a while.) but for me, Nintendo didn't disappoint, by addressing their most glaring needs while yet again offering something new to the gameplay experience.
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That Zelda game alone would make me buy the system...but I can't help to wonder how much an extra Wii Tablet controller will run at. I can't see it going less than $100 even at $100 it seems cheap.
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[quote name='TheLongshot']I guess some fans can never be satisfied. Nintendo seems to have addressed the two of the biggest complaints about the Wii (HD graphics, 3rd party support) and people still complain.
People shrug about the games, which I can kinda understand, but what is left unsaid about the impact of what they showed is that a year before the console is out that there is some bigtime 3rd party support coming on line and they have time to actually play with the new controller to find the best uses for it. That should hearten anyone who was frustrated with 3rd party support with the Wii.
Also, there are many who just assume that this will be on par with the other two consoles and no better, with really nothing to back that up. We are really too early in the process to judge that either way, considering that there are no playable games at this point.
I'm not really the prime market for this just yet, since I usually play a generation behind anyways (I only bought my Wii last year and only just picked up a PS3 after playing with my PS2 for a while.) but for me, Nintendo didn't disappoint, by addressing their most glaring needs while yet again offering something new to the gameplay experience.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they decided to make a console more towards their core audience while keeping a gimmick alive so the people who jumped on the Wii bandwangon will buy this one -- that's fantastic! (No sarcasm, really)
But, before people get boners and start passin' around the lube, what about the other issues? Some things haven't been addressed either for or against so we can at least speculate.
-Will we be able to carry our VC and WiiWare purchases -- and saves -- over to the Wii U?
-Backwards compatibility is always a great thing, but what about those pesky game saves that we don't want to delete, and (currently) are unable to move to an SD card? Why would I put a ton of hours into Smash Bros, want to play Brawl on my Wii U.. but not be able to carry my save? That needs to be addressed.
-What about an online service? If they want to target the 'core' audience, we need an online system. This means give us a friggin username! I don't mind paying for the service, as long as it's good, stable, and well worth whatever the cost may be. Achievements/Trophies ARE a good thing, but they aren't entirely needed. Friend codes were a great idea if the Internet was brand new, but it's not. Give us names and friends lists, please.
-What about disc space? I understand there will be SD cards and I think USB storage (??), but will there be any restrictions? Do we have to go two years into that system before they fix the solution?
-What is NINTENDO going to offer? Sure, whatever PS3/4 and Xbox 360/720 get, will most likely appear on the Wii U -- that's great! -- but are they going to continue to give us waggle games? Games that we just.. shake this device up and down? Or now will they give us where we just have to aim the controller at the screen "see" stuff and hit A to win?
There's so much more. This is why I find it hard to be so excited, or totally against. We don't know anything about it... and to be honest, I'm a bit reluctant to like it.. because they lured me into their van with tales about motion controls being amazing. I got molested. I don't want to be molested again.
[quote name='LinkinPrime']That Zelda game alone would make me buy the system...but I can't help to wonder how much an extra Wii Tablet controller will run at. I can't see it going less than $100 even at $100 it seems cheap.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how I feel about paying $100 for a controller, though
I understand this isn't a normal controller, but still. On paper, you would be paying $100 for a controller..and that's gross!
People shrug about the games, which I can kinda understand, but what is left unsaid about the impact of what they showed is that a year before the console is out that there is some bigtime 3rd party support coming on line and they have time to actually play with the new controller to find the best uses for it. That should hearten anyone who was frustrated with 3rd party support with the Wii.
Also, there are many who just assume that this will be on par with the other two consoles and no better, with really nothing to back that up. We are really too early in the process to judge that either way, considering that there are no playable games at this point.
I'm not really the prime market for this just yet, since I usually play a generation behind anyways (I only bought my Wii last year and only just picked up a PS3 after playing with my PS2 for a while.) but for me, Nintendo didn't disappoint, by addressing their most glaring needs while yet again offering something new to the gameplay experience.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they decided to make a console more towards their core audience while keeping a gimmick alive so the people who jumped on the Wii bandwangon will buy this one -- that's fantastic! (No sarcasm, really)
But, before people get boners and start passin' around the lube, what about the other issues? Some things haven't been addressed either for or against so we can at least speculate.
-Will we be able to carry our VC and WiiWare purchases -- and saves -- over to the Wii U?
-Backwards compatibility is always a great thing, but what about those pesky game saves that we don't want to delete, and (currently) are unable to move to an SD card? Why would I put a ton of hours into Smash Bros, want to play Brawl on my Wii U.. but not be able to carry my save? That needs to be addressed.
-What about an online service? If they want to target the 'core' audience, we need an online system. This means give us a friggin username! I don't mind paying for the service, as long as it's good, stable, and well worth whatever the cost may be. Achievements/Trophies ARE a good thing, but they aren't entirely needed. Friend codes were a great idea if the Internet was brand new, but it's not. Give us names and friends lists, please.
-What about disc space? I understand there will be SD cards and I think USB storage (??), but will there be any restrictions? Do we have to go two years into that system before they fix the solution?
-What is NINTENDO going to offer? Sure, whatever PS3/4 and Xbox 360/720 get, will most likely appear on the Wii U -- that's great! -- but are they going to continue to give us waggle games? Games that we just.. shake this device up and down? Or now will they give us where we just have to aim the controller at the screen "see" stuff and hit A to win?
There's so much more. This is why I find it hard to be so excited, or totally against. We don't know anything about it... and to be honest, I'm a bit reluctant to like it.. because they lured me into their van with tales about motion controls being amazing. I got molested. I don't want to be molested again.
[quote name='LinkinPrime']That Zelda game alone would make me buy the system...but I can't help to wonder how much an extra Wii Tablet controller will run at. I can't see it going less than $100 even at $100 it seems cheap.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how I feel about paying $100 for a controller, though
I understand this isn't a normal controller, but still. On paper, you would be paying $100 for a controller..and that's gross!
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[quote name='lilboo']Yeah, they decided to make a console more towards their core audience while keeping a gimmick alive so the people who jumped on the Wii bandwangon will buy this one -- that's fantastic! (No sarcasm, really)[/quote]
I guess core gamer = conservative "get off my lawn" types. You may hate it, but I love that Nintendo is trying to push boundaries, even if they don't always work. At least they take risks.
The problem is, it is way too early for answers to your concerns. We are talking about over a year until the console is released, and everyone wants answers now.
As for your reaction to the Wii, I enjoyed it and still do. I'm sorry it wasn't a pleasurable experience for you.
I guess core gamer = conservative "get off my lawn" types. You may hate it, but I love that Nintendo is trying to push boundaries, even if they don't always work. At least they take risks.
The problem is, it is way too early for answers to your concerns. We are talking about over a year until the console is released, and everyone wants answers now.
As for your reaction to the Wii, I enjoyed it and still do. I'm sorry it wasn't a pleasurable experience for you.
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[quote name='LinkinPrime']That Zelda game alone would make me buy the system...but I can't help to wonder how much an extra Wii Tablet controller will run at. I can't see it going less than $100 even at $100 it seems cheap.[/QUOTE]
I can see a controller going about $60-$70. They have those Wacom Tablets for graphic artists going for $50-$60 for years now and those are just a Wii U controller minus the visual screen so I am sure Nintendo got the tech to a place where it can be that cheap.
I can see a controller going about $60-$70. They have those Wacom Tablets for graphic artists going for $50-$60 for years now and those are just a Wii U controller minus the visual screen so I am sure Nintendo got the tech to a place where it can be that cheap.
I don't think the cost of the controller is going to be an issue for anyone, at least not until it breaks - they didn't once show it using more then one, only in concert with Wii Remotes. I'm not sure it's clear if the video to the display is always streamed or if it's it's own little console in there, but they made it sound like it's just streamed. If so, that alone might indicate that only one can be used. Streaming 2, 3 or 4 video streams at once?
Of course I could be wrong, but they certainly showed the Wii being played with multiple Wii controllers when they announced it. I'm guessing that, oddly enough, the Wii U is a primarily single-player console, aside from online multiplayer and pairing with Wii Remotes or classic controllers as the other controllers.
EDIT: but we'll find out. Hopefully it does support multiple such controllers.
Of course I could be wrong, but they certainly showed the Wii being played with multiple Wii controllers when they announced it. I'm guessing that, oddly enough, the Wii U is a primarily single-player console, aside from online multiplayer and pairing with Wii Remotes or classic controllers as the other controllers.
EDIT: but we'll find out. Hopefully it does support multiple such controllers.
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']I can see a controller going about $60-$70. They have those Wacom Tablets for graphic artists going for $50-$60 for years now and those are just a Wii U controller minus the visual screen so I am sure Nintendo got the tech to a place where it can be that cheap.[/QUOTE]
That is what I am thinking. Nintendo prices for the masses. $299 for the console and controller bundle. $60-$70 for controllers, and $50-$60 for games. That is the prediction.
Anything higher will alienate many buyers and people.
I am sure by release, the tech will be cheap enough to mass produce it at that price and get everyone on board.
That is what I am thinking. Nintendo prices for the masses. $299 for the console and controller bundle. $60-$70 for controllers, and $50-$60 for games. That is the prediction.
Anything higher will alienate many buyers and people.
I am sure by release, the tech will be cheap enough to mass produce it at that price and get everyone on board.
[quote name='lilboo']Yeah, they decided to make a console more towards their core audience while keeping a gimmick alive so the people who jumped on the Wii bandwangon will buy this one -- that's fantastic! (No sarcasm, really)
But, before people get boners and start passin' around the lube, what about the other issues? Some things haven't been addressed either for or against so we can at least speculate.
-Will we be able to carry our VC and WiiWare purchases -- and saves -- over to the Wii U?
-Backwards compatibility is always a great thing, but what about those pesky game saves that we don't want to delete, and (currently) are unable to move to an SD card? Why would I put a ton of hours into Smash Bros, want to play Brawl on my Wii U.. but not be able to carry my save? That needs to be addressed.
-What about an online service? If they want to target the 'core' audience, we need an online system. This means give us a friggin username! I don't mind paying for the service, as long as it's good, stable, and well worth whatever the cost may be. Achievements/Trophies ARE a good thing, but they aren't entirely needed. Friend codes were a great idea if the Internet was brand new, but it's not. Give us names and friends lists, please.
-What about disc space? I understand there will be SD cards and I think USB storage (??), but will there be any restrictions? Do we have to go two years into that system before they fix the solution?
-What is NINTENDO going to offer? Sure, whatever PS3/4 and Xbox 360/720 get, will most likely appear on the Wii U -- that's great! -- but are they going to continue to give us waggle games? Games that we just.. shake this device up and down? Or now will they give us where we just have to aim the controller at the screen "see" stuff and hit A to win?
There's so much more. This is why I find it hard to be so excited, or totally against. We don't know anything about it... and to be honest, I'm a bit reluctant to like it.. because they lured me into their van with tales about motion controls being amazing. I got molested. I don't want to be molested again.
I don't know how I feel about paying $100 for a controller, though I understand this isn't a normal controller, but still. On paper, you would be paying $100 for a controller..and that's gross![/QUOTE]
Hardware can be beautiful and wonderful but it is no good if it does not have good software to support it. Nintendo needs games, and they need to keep games going through the life of the whole system not just make a bunch of games and then abandon ship. They also need to have a good launch lineup and keep games coming from there. Not like the 3DS, release a few games at launch and then have nothing decent out until the holidays leaving the early adopters with nothing inbetween. Also not one good game every 6 months, needs more than that.
But, before people get boners and start passin' around the lube, what about the other issues? Some things haven't been addressed either for or against so we can at least speculate.
-Will we be able to carry our VC and WiiWare purchases -- and saves -- over to the Wii U?
-Backwards compatibility is always a great thing, but what about those pesky game saves that we don't want to delete, and (currently) are unable to move to an SD card? Why would I put a ton of hours into Smash Bros, want to play Brawl on my Wii U.. but not be able to carry my save? That needs to be addressed.
-What about an online service? If they want to target the 'core' audience, we need an online system. This means give us a friggin username! I don't mind paying for the service, as long as it's good, stable, and well worth whatever the cost may be. Achievements/Trophies ARE a good thing, but they aren't entirely needed. Friend codes were a great idea if the Internet was brand new, but it's not. Give us names and friends lists, please.
-What about disc space? I understand there will be SD cards and I think USB storage (??), but will there be any restrictions? Do we have to go two years into that system before they fix the solution?
-What is NINTENDO going to offer? Sure, whatever PS3/4 and Xbox 360/720 get, will most likely appear on the Wii U -- that's great! -- but are they going to continue to give us waggle games? Games that we just.. shake this device up and down? Or now will they give us where we just have to aim the controller at the screen "see" stuff and hit A to win?
There's so much more. This is why I find it hard to be so excited, or totally against. We don't know anything about it... and to be honest, I'm a bit reluctant to like it.. because they lured me into their van with tales about motion controls being amazing. I got molested. I don't want to be molested again.
I don't know how I feel about paying $100 for a controller, though
I understand this isn't a normal controller, but still. On paper, you would be paying $100 for a controller..and that's gross![/QUOTE]Hardware can be beautiful and wonderful but it is no good if it does not have good software to support it. Nintendo needs games, and they need to keep games going through the life of the whole system not just make a bunch of games and then abandon ship. They also need to have a good launch lineup and keep games coming from there. Not like the 3DS, release a few games at launch and then have nothing decent out until the holidays leaving the early adopters with nothing inbetween. Also not one good game every 6 months, needs more than that.
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[quote name='TheLongshot']I guess core gamer = conservative "get off my lawn" types. You may hate it, but I love that Nintendo is trying to push boundaries, even if they don't always work. At least they take risks.
The problem is, it is way too early for answers to your concerns. We are talking about over a year until the console is released, and everyone wants answers now.
As for your reaction to the Wii, I enjoyed it and still do. I'm sorry it wasn't a pleasurable experience for you.[/QUOTE]
You have to take lilboo's comments with a grain of salt. S/he is kind of a dumbass.
Seriously, a big question is "What is Nintendo gonna bring?" As if Nintendo has never released a proprietary game ever. The problem has never been what nintendo will bring. The problem for the wii was that nobody brought anything to the wii other than nintendo. They address this HUGE problem by bringing out all the third party stuff and the head of EA, and his question is "what will nintendo bring." Dear lord.
Game saves across console generations? Yeah, I really enjoyed my Halo game saves from the original xbox on the 360.
My only real concern for the WiiU is online play. That and this rumor that only one person can have the tablet. If that's true, I'm out.
The problem is, it is way too early for answers to your concerns. We are talking about over a year until the console is released, and everyone wants answers now.
As for your reaction to the Wii, I enjoyed it and still do. I'm sorry it wasn't a pleasurable experience for you.[/QUOTE]
You have to take lilboo's comments with a grain of salt. S/he is kind of a dumbass.
Seriously, a big question is "What is Nintendo gonna bring?" As if Nintendo has never released a proprietary game ever. The problem has never been what nintendo will bring. The problem for the wii was that nobody brought anything to the wii other than nintendo. They address this HUGE problem by bringing out all the third party stuff and the head of EA, and his question is "what will nintendo bring." Dear lord.
Game saves across console generations? Yeah, I really enjoyed my Halo game saves from the original xbox on the 360.
My only real concern for the WiiU is online play. That and this rumor that only one person can have the tablet. If that's true, I'm out.
[quote name='confoosious']My only real concern for the WiiU is online play. That and this rumor that only one person can have the tablet. If that's true, I'm out.[/QUOTE]
I guess you might be out then, though it is a bit early to tell. It surprised me that they aren't even sure about even two controllers.
Nintendo Looking into Games that Support Two New Controllers
I guess you might be out then, though it is a bit early to tell. It surprised me that they aren't even sure about even two controllers.
Nintendo Looking into Games that Support Two New Controllers
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[quote name='omster']I guess you might be out then, though it is a bit early to tell. It surprised me that they aren't even sure about even two controllers.
Nintendo Looking into Games that Support Two New Controllers[/QUOTE]
Wow that's a let down. I can understand not supporting a full 4 but you gotta support 2 at the very least.
I'm talking technically feasible. Obviously game will be dependent on the developer.
Nintendo Looking into Games that Support Two New Controllers[/QUOTE]
Wow that's a let down. I can understand not supporting a full 4 but you gotta support 2 at the very least.
I'm talking technically feasible. Obviously game will be dependent on the developer.
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2012 is long enough to figure out all the details... 3rd party support, online, multiplayer....
It's going to sell like hotcakes, and even the closest next gen systems won't be out for years.
There's going to be stuff only the Wii U can do, and that's thrilling, that's the ultimate in exclusives.
I could see massive support for RTS and T/SRPG using the new controller.
Now start the clock on when it's going to be imitated...
oh and nice to have met you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDraw_GameTablet
Bummer for THQ
It's going to sell like hotcakes, and even the closest next gen systems won't be out for years.
There's going to be stuff only the Wii U can do, and that's thrilling, that's the ultimate in exclusives.
I could see massive support for RTS and T/SRPG using the new controller.
Now start the clock on when it's going to be imitated...
oh and nice to have met you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDraw_GameTablet
Bummer for THQ
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[quote name='xycury']2012 is long enough to figure out all the details... 3rd party support, online, multiplayer....
It's going to sell like hotcakes, and even the closest next gen systems won't be out for years.
There's going to be stuff only the Wii U can do, and that's thrilling, that's the ultimate in exclusives.
I could see massive support for RTS and T/SRPG using the new controller.
Now start the clock on when it's going to be imitated...
oh and nice to have met you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDraw_GameTablet
Bummer for THQ[/QUOTE]
The quote of the day. Finally, someone who hit the nail on the head. I give it two years and the other two will imitate it in some form. Once they see the mass market appeal, they will not and cannot ignore it. It will be the elephant in the room once the new Xbox and PS will be coming out.
It's going to sell like hotcakes, and even the closest next gen systems won't be out for years.
There's going to be stuff only the Wii U can do, and that's thrilling, that's the ultimate in exclusives.
I could see massive support for RTS and T/SRPG using the new controller.
Now start the clock on when it's going to be imitated...
oh and nice to have met you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDraw_GameTablet
Bummer for THQ[/QUOTE]
The quote of the day. Finally, someone who hit the nail on the head. I give it two years and the other two will imitate it in some form. Once they see the mass market appeal, they will not and cannot ignore it. It will be the elephant in the room once the new Xbox and PS will be coming out.
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hahah i bought one of those udraw game tablets around xmas. Sold it back for as much as I paid (came with free game) so it was a fun thing to play with the family for the holidays.
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There's going to be stuff only the Wii U can do, and that's thrilling, that's the ultimate in exclusives.
I could see massive support for RTS and T/SRPG using the new controller.
[/QUOTE]
I never thought about that but yes this makes perfect sense. There is a reason I refuse to play ANY RTS on a console (controls) and the Wii-U would fix that easily.
There's going to be stuff only the Wii U can do, and that's thrilling, that's the ultimate in exclusives.
I could see massive support for RTS and T/SRPG using the new controller.
[/QUOTE]
I never thought about that but yes this makes perfect sense. There is a reason I refuse to play ANY RTS on a console (controls) and the Wii-U would fix that easily.
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[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']I never thought about that but yes this makes perfect sense. There is a reason I refuse to play ANY RTS on a console (controls) and the Wii-U would fix that easily.[/QUOTE]
this is what i was talking about when I said the golf ball on the ground was a "damn" moment for me. You can now extend the controller/screen to anywhere and a good developer will make some great creative decisions surrounding gameplay with it.
this is what i was talking about when I said the golf ball on the ground was a "damn" moment for me. You can now extend the controller/screen to anywhere and a good developer will make some great creative decisions surrounding gameplay with it.
I think the new controller is cool, but if it doesn't support multiple such controllers then it really is an HD Wii, as most games won't use it to good effect, lest they give up local multiplayer. Either that or all the games are local single-player only (multiplayer online) with the oddball game that mixes new controller with Wi remotes for local multiplayer. Being a primarily single-player console locally would certainly be an odd turn of events for Nintendo, and not a good one. They introduced the first console with out of the box 4-player support.
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[quote name='confoosious']this is what i was talking about when I said the golf ball on the ground was a "damn" moment for me. You can now extend the controller/screen to anywhere and a good developer will make some great creative decisions surrounding gameplay with it.[/QUOTE]
That's what impressed me too, but thinking about it now I think it would get old quick and I wouldn't really want to leave that controller on the floor. I'm not getting my hopes up regarding anything Nintendo creates using the new controller, and it's hard to feel any different regarding how 3rd parties will utilize it. Don't think we will see many RTS games even though that would be great. A cheap mouse with a nunchuk or navigation controller would be just as good if not better.
That's what impressed me too, but thinking about it now I think it would get old quick and I wouldn't really want to leave that controller on the floor. I'm not getting my hopes up regarding anything Nintendo creates using the new controller, and it's hard to feel any different regarding how 3rd parties will utilize it. Don't think we will see many RTS games even though that would be great. A cheap mouse with a nunchuk or navigation controller would be just as good if not better.
We'll be able to use USB HDD, right? I think I did read that somewhere.
It would be kinda awesome if they added Gamecube (..even Dreamcast :lol: ) to their Virtual Console.
We would need more space, though.
Wonder if there will be ports for Gamecube controllers? If the Wii can play GCN games, and WiiU can play Wii games.. it would be logical. Not even that, but there are a bunch of Wii games that do play really well with the GCN controller (Wavebird FTW)
It would be kinda awesome if they added Gamecube (..even Dreamcast :lol: ) to their Virtual Console.
We would need more space, though.
Wonder if there will be ports for Gamecube controllers? If the Wii can play GCN games, and WiiU can play Wii games.. it would be logical. Not even that, but there are a bunch of Wii games that do play really well with the GCN controller (Wavebird FTW)
I was blown away by the 3DS games that are coming out alone, (SMASH BROS. ON THE DS!!) I really need to put in extra hours so I can get one now. I like the idea of the controller, it's what Nintendo has been trying to do since the Gameboy Advance and Gamecube days but with little to no one using the feature. I remember playing Splinter Cell on the GC and using the Gameboy as a radar. I think that because the controller is going to be included with the console we will see some awesome things come out of it. I wonder if the controller would be used for something like Netflix. There is some great potential here but we'll have to wait. I really can't complain about anything since the system won't be out for at least a year so we'll have to wait and see.
[quote name='lilboo']We'll be able to use USB HDD, right? I think I did read that somewhere.
It would be kinda awesome if they added Gamecube (..even Dreamcast :lol: ) to their Virtual Console.
We would need more space, though.
Wonder if there will be ports for Gamecube controllers? If the Wii can play GCN games, and WiiU can play Wii games.. it would be logical. Not even that, but there are a bunch of Wii games that do play really well with the GCN controller (Wavebird FTW)[/QUOTE]
This probably doesn't mean what I think it does but Kotaku wrote:
"Games will also be available as downloadable content", to me that sounds like full retail games but Nintendo Wouldn't do that, especially since the new disks are said to be 25GB
[quote name='lilboo']We'll be able to use USB HDD, right? I think I did read that somewhere.
It would be kinda awesome if they added Gamecube (..even Dreamcast :lol: ) to their Virtual Console.
We would need more space, though.
Wonder if there will be ports for Gamecube controllers? If the Wii can play GCN games, and WiiU can play Wii games.. it would be logical. Not even that, but there are a bunch of Wii games that do play really well with the GCN controller (Wavebird FTW)[/QUOTE]
This probably doesn't mean what I think it does but Kotaku wrote:
"Games will also be available as downloadable content", to me that sounds like full retail games but Nintendo Wouldn't do that, especially since the new disks are said to be 25GB
[quote name='lilboo']We'll be able to use USB HDD, right? I think I did read that somewhere.
It would be kinda awesome if they added Gamecube (..even Dreamcast :lol: ) to their Virtual Console.
We would need more space, though.
Wonder if there will be ports for Gamecube controllers? If the Wii can play GCN games, and WiiU can play Wii games.. it would be logical. Not even that, but there are a bunch of Wii games that do play really well with the GCN controller (Wavebird FTW)[/QUOTE]
Good lord that would be a silly move to not make it BW compatible....
and you just reminded me I still have a wavebird in the package XD
I know for sure those batteries are dead....
I think even with the Vita... and what it "might"/"could" do, Nintendo actually brought something new... which probably should take the show.
Plus coming out with a new console is huge when the other two don't have anything... even with the weird gen gap, they could certainly close it and with peripheral support, do something the others can't.
I don't know if people saw that Zelda demo... but ... what if you can play a game... without any UI on it? Just think.... it could be all in the controller to show you status, minimap, inventory... Finally... the game becomes a movie, even more closer to art.
I think the potential is there, we'll just have to see if Nintendo can provide.
I would say this should retail 299, but maybe 349 isn't out of the question.
Unfortunately I'll wait till the price drops a bit... I'll have to somehow trade in the old wii with well over 10,000 points still on it from that Rock Band Pepsi.
oh would I love a license transfer.....
It would be kinda awesome if they added Gamecube (..even Dreamcast :lol: ) to their Virtual Console.
We would need more space, though.
Wonder if there will be ports for Gamecube controllers? If the Wii can play GCN games, and WiiU can play Wii games.. it would be logical. Not even that, but there are a bunch of Wii games that do play really well with the GCN controller (Wavebird FTW)[/QUOTE]
Good lord that would be a silly move to not make it BW compatible....
and you just reminded me I still have a wavebird in the package XD
I know for sure those batteries are dead....
I think even with the Vita... and what it "might"/"could" do, Nintendo actually brought something new... which probably should take the show.
Plus coming out with a new console is huge when the other two don't have anything... even with the weird gen gap, they could certainly close it and with peripheral support, do something the others can't.
I don't know if people saw that Zelda demo... but ... what if you can play a game... without any UI on it? Just think.... it could be all in the controller to show you status, minimap, inventory... Finally... the game becomes a movie, even more closer to art.
I think the potential is there, we'll just have to see if Nintendo can provide.
I would say this should retail 299, but maybe 349 isn't out of the question.
Unfortunately I'll wait till the price drops a bit... I'll have to somehow trade in the old wii with well over 10,000 points still on it from that Rock Band Pepsi.
oh would I love a license transfer.....
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Putting RTS's on the console seems like it'd be a bit of a waste of the console. RTS's kind of require you to keep your focus on whatever you're using to select units so that you can accurately select individual units. What would you actually use the TV screen for? If they put out a game where you focus entirely on the controller...seems like it could be put on the 3DS or Vita.
When I was thinking about this, the nature of the controller became a little fuzzy to me. To me, the ideal usage of the controller would be something where you use the TV and Controller screen in conjunction with each other. However, if each is displaying different information, you wouldn't be able to do the entire "turn the tv off and stream the video to the controller" thing. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the only games you would be able to play with the TV off are those that don't use the controller screen at all.
When I was thinking about this, the nature of the controller became a little fuzzy to me. To me, the ideal usage of the controller would be something where you use the TV and Controller screen in conjunction with each other. However, if each is displaying different information, you wouldn't be able to do the entire "turn the tv off and stream the video to the controller" thing. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the only games you would be able to play with the TV off are those that don't use the controller screen at all.
[quote name='Salamando3000']Putting RTS's on the console seems like it'd be a bit of a waste of the console. RTS's kind of require you to keep your focus on whatever you're using to select units so that you can accurately select individual units. What would you actually use the TV screen for? If they put out a game where you focus entirely on the controller...seems like it could be put on the 3DS or Vita.
When I was thinking about this, the nature of the controller became a little fuzzy to me. To me, the ideal usage of the controller would be something where you use the TV and Controller screen in conjunction with each other. However, if each is displaying different information, you wouldn't be able to do the entire "turn the tv off and stream the video to the controller" thing. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the only games you would be able to play with the TV off are those that don't use the controller screen at all.[/QUOTE]
The way I see it is the pen is self aware, and would really end up being like a tablet then.
you could have a border for units and selection and even mini map while you direct and control throught the pen. TV would be the battlefield. You could zoom in or out...
It could be done... and it would be killer. I could definately see SC2 on here.
As for your 2nd arguement, the game could Pause while you "flip" to the other screen. Map it to a button, done.
Possiblities are endless now... Gaming has changed. Nintendo does it again. I just pray that the 3rd party makers fully support it ... otherwise it's going to be carried by the big N again.
When I was thinking about this, the nature of the controller became a little fuzzy to me. To me, the ideal usage of the controller would be something where you use the TV and Controller screen in conjunction with each other. However, if each is displaying different information, you wouldn't be able to do the entire "turn the tv off and stream the video to the controller" thing. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the only games you would be able to play with the TV off are those that don't use the controller screen at all.[/QUOTE]
The way I see it is the pen is self aware, and would really end up being like a tablet then.
you could have a border for units and selection and even mini map while you direct and control throught the pen. TV would be the battlefield. You could zoom in or out...
It could be done... and it would be killer. I could definately see SC2 on here.
As for your 2nd arguement, the game could Pause while you "flip" to the other screen. Map it to a button, done.
Possiblities are endless now... Gaming has changed. Nintendo does it again. I just pray that the 3rd party makers fully support it ... otherwise it's going to be carried by the big N again.
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Hell, I've been almost playing Shadow Wars (turn based strategy) exclusively on the 3DS lately. I would love to play a game like that on a console but have pertinent information on my controller while having extra info and the display map on screen. Kinda like the 3DS but at a much higher level.
[quote name='xycury']The way I see it is the pen is self aware, and would really end up being like a tablet then.
you could have a border for units and selection and even mini map while you direct and control throught the pen. TV would be the battlefield. You could zoom in or out...
It could be done... and it would be killer. I could definately see SC2 on here.
As for your 2nd arguement, the game could Pause while you "flip" to the other screen. Map it to a button, done.
Possiblities are endless now... Gaming has changed. Nintendo does it again. I just pray that the 3rd party makers fully support it ... otherwise it's going to be carried by the big N again.[/QUOTE]
3rd parties aren't going to take advantage of this like you want.
you could have a border for units and selection and even mini map while you direct and control throught the pen. TV would be the battlefield. You could zoom in or out...
It could be done... and it would be killer. I could definately see SC2 on here.
As for your 2nd arguement, the game could Pause while you "flip" to the other screen. Map it to a button, done.
Possiblities are endless now... Gaming has changed. Nintendo does it again. I just pray that the 3rd party makers fully support it ... otherwise it's going to be carried by the big N again.[/QUOTE]
3rd parties aren't going to take advantage of this like you want.
[quote name='seanr1221']3rd parties aren't going to take advantage of this like you want.[/QUOTE]
if they shoved a wii mote up a baby's ass and made you rock it to sleep... they'll figure out a way.
lol, email from nintendo about the E3 wrap up.... someone quick... make some funny.
if they shoved a wii mote up a baby's ass and made you rock it to sleep... they'll figure out a way.
lol, email from nintendo about the E3 wrap up.... someone quick... make some funny.
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[quote name='xycury']My shitty attempt at a SC2 mock on the Wii U
TV Left, Controller right.
I think this would work.... the game looks great without any of that UI in the way.[/QUOTE]
They could probably shoehorn SC2 into Wii U, but not without simplifying and/or slowing it down. During a battle, the player needs to be able to select which units they want their units to attack...or even select a subset of their units to attack specific units of their enemy. On PC, this is easily done by hotkeying a specific group, since that allows you to select that group without moving your mouse at all...puts the effort on locating targets of interest rather than selecting your group.
With the Wii U, they'd have to have the battle on the touchscreen, to fully allow you to select individual bad units...since that Ghost is usually a higher priority target than the Marines surrounding him.
TV Left, Controller right.
I think this would work.... the game looks great without any of that UI in the way.[/QUOTE]
They could probably shoehorn SC2 into Wii U, but not without simplifying and/or slowing it down. During a battle, the player needs to be able to select which units they want their units to attack...or even select a subset of their units to attack specific units of their enemy. On PC, this is easily done by hotkeying a specific group, since that allows you to select that group without moving your mouse at all...puts the effort on locating targets of interest rather than selecting your group.
With the Wii U, they'd have to have the battle on the touchscreen, to fully allow you to select individual bad units...since that Ghost is usually a higher priority target than the Marines surrounding him.
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Someone hacking Halo Wars to work on the WiiU would be hilarious.
None of the footage of the 3rd party games were legit.
http://kotaku.com/5809744/nintendo-used-360-ps3--pc-game-footage-in-its-wii-u-demo-reel
http://kotaku.com/5809744/nintendo-used-360-ps3--pc-game-footage-in-its-wii-u-demo-reel
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[quote name='confoosious']Someone hacking Halo Wars to work on the WiiU would be hilarious.[/QUOTE]Could they hack the fun into it?
[quote name='zewone']None of the footage of the 3rd party games were legit.
http://kotaku.com/5809744/nintendo-used-360-ps3--pc-game-footage-in-its-wii-u-demo-reel[/QUOTE]
and your point is what? It is a year off from the actual launch. Like this kind of thing has never done before. Actually it is done all the time.
Shit, Battlefield 3 was running on PC and everyone has got a hard on about it at this point, when it is only running on PC in demos and EA has even stated that the console port will be considerably down graphically, even though it will look decent.
Not even a controversy at all. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Everyone knows that this couldn't be the graphics on the Wii U, unless you are a dumbass and didn't read the specs.
Fanboys right now are in butthurt mode from the other camps. Move on bro. The bashing is getting old real quick right now.
If your intent is to come here and bash Nintendo, you FAIL. If you are just posting news to make news, I can read for myself, thanks.
http://kotaku.com/5809744/nintendo-used-360-ps3--pc-game-footage-in-its-wii-u-demo-reel[/QUOTE]
and your point is what? It is a year off from the actual launch. Like this kind of thing has never done before. Actually it is done all the time.
Shit, Battlefield 3 was running on PC and everyone has got a hard on about it at this point, when it is only running on PC in demos and EA has even stated that the console port will be considerably down graphically, even though it will look decent.
Not even a controversy at all. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Everyone knows that this couldn't be the graphics on the Wii U, unless you are a dumbass and didn't read the specs.
Fanboys right now are in butthurt mode from the other camps. Move on bro. The bashing is getting old real quick right now.
If your intent is to come here and bash Nintendo, you FAIL. If you are just posting news to make news, I can read for myself, thanks.
[quote name='xmbri']and your point is what? It is a year off from the actual launch. Like this kind of thing has never done before. Actually it is done all the time.
Shit, Battlefield 3 was running on PC and everyone has got a hard on about it at this point, when it is only running on PC in demos and EA has even stated that the console port will be considerably down graphically, even though it will look decent.
Not even a controversy at all. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Everyone knows that this couldn't be the graphics on the Wii U, unless you are a dumbass and didn't read the specs.
Fanboys right now are in butthurt mode from the other camps. Move on bro. The bashing is getting old real quick right now.[/QUOTE]
Isn't blind fanboyism the same thing? Oh wait. No, it's not.
Shit, Battlefield 3 was running on PC and everyone has got a hard on about it at this point, when it is only running on PC in demos and EA has even stated that the console port will be considerably down graphically, even though it will look decent.
Not even a controversy at all. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Everyone knows that this couldn't be the graphics on the Wii U, unless you are a dumbass and didn't read the specs.
Fanboys right now are in butthurt mode from the other camps. Move on bro. The bashing is getting old real quick right now.[/QUOTE]
Isn't blind fanboyism the same thing? Oh wait. No, it's not.
[quote name='lilboo']Isn't blind fanboyism the same thing? Oh wait. No, it's not. [/QUOTE]
Once again, the internet and video game experts and pundits speak.
this board is getting more ridiculous by the day. ugggh....
And I feel like I am getting more to being a casual gamer, given the climate of elitist gamers who feel they gotta have the last jab. Same goes for the online trash.
At least I don't have to read the boards and more time for gaming. Thanks you liboo for making me see the light.
[/QUOTE]Once again, the internet and video game experts and pundits speak.
this board is getting more ridiculous by the day. ugggh....
And I feel like I am getting more to being a casual gamer, given the climate of elitist gamers who feel they gotta have the last jab. Same goes for the online trash.
At least I don't have to read the boards and more time for gaming. Thanks you liboo for making me see the light.
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[quote name='zewone']None of the footage of the 3rd party games were legit.
http://kotaku.com/5809744/nintendo-used-360-ps3--pc-game-footage-in-its-wii-u-demo-reel[/QUOTE]
It is to be expected, third party games looked to be in the advance development stages. Nintendo didn't even show their own working title on the system. Development kits probably has been in developers hands for maybe 3 months.
http://kotaku.com/5809744/nintendo-used-360-ps3--pc-game-footage-in-its-wii-u-demo-reel[/QUOTE]
It is to be expected, third party games looked to be in the advance development stages. Nintendo didn't even show their own working title on the system. Development kits probably has been in developers hands for maybe 3 months.
[quote name='xmbri']Once again, the internet and video game experts and pundits speak.
this board is getting more ridiculous by the day. ugggh....[/QUOTE]
What?
You are no better than those who saw the presentation and hated it -- without knowing anything. Loving it without any information is just as stupid.
I see the potential in it, really I do. But I also want more information before I decide "Ohh yes i want it" or "LOLOLL Nintendo".
But then, I was just like you back in 2005 with the Wii. Saw videos with people having fun and was stimulated into thinking how cool the Wii was.
I was molested a year later.
this board is getting more ridiculous by the day. ugggh....[/QUOTE]
What?
You are no better than those who saw the presentation and hated it -- without knowing anything. Loving it without any information is just as stupid.
I see the potential in it, really I do. But I also want more information before I decide "Ohh yes i want it" or "LOLOLL Nintendo".
But then, I was just like you back in 2005 with the Wii. Saw videos with people having fun and was stimulated into thinking how cool the Wii was.
I was molested a year later.
[quote name='lilboo']What?
You are no better than those who saw the presentation and hated it -- without knowing anything. Loving it without any information is just as stupid.
I see the potential in it, really I do. But I also want more information before I decide "Ohh yes i want it" or "LOLOLL Nintendo".
But then, I was just like you back in 2005 with the Wii. Saw videos with people having fun and was stimulated into thinking how cool the Wii was.
I was molested a year later.[/QUOTE]
Molested? I think you better deal with those issues outside the board.
You are no better than those who saw the presentation and hated it -- without knowing anything. Loving it without any information is just as stupid.
I see the potential in it, really I do. But I also want more information before I decide "Ohh yes i want it" or "LOLOLL Nintendo".
But then, I was just like you back in 2005 with the Wii. Saw videos with people having fun and was stimulated into thinking how cool the Wii was.
I was molested a year later.[/QUOTE]
Molested? I think you better deal with those issues outside the board.
[quote name='xmbri']and your point is what? It is a year off from the actual launch. Like this kind of thing has never done before. Actually it is done all the time.
Shit, Battlefield 3 was running on PC and everyone has got a hard on about it at this point, when it is only running on PC in demos and EA has even stated that the console port will be considerably down graphically, even though it will look decent.
Not even a controversy at all. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Everyone knows that this couldn't be the graphics on the Wii U, unless you are a dumbass and didn't read the specs.
Fanboys right now are in butthurt mode from the other camps. Move on bro. The bashing is getting old real quick right now.
If your intent is to come here and bash Nintendo, you FAIL. If you are just posting news to make news, I can read for myself, thanks.[/QUOTE]
Why are you posting here?
Shit, Battlefield 3 was running on PC and everyone has got a hard on about it at this point, when it is only running on PC in demos and EA has even stated that the console port will be considerably down graphically, even though it will look decent.
Not even a controversy at all. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Everyone knows that this couldn't be the graphics on the Wii U, unless you are a dumbass and didn't read the specs.
Fanboys right now are in butthurt mode from the other camps. Move on bro. The bashing is getting old real quick right now.
If your intent is to come here and bash Nintendo, you FAIL. If you are just posting news to make news, I can read for myself, thanks.[/QUOTE]
Why are you posting here?
[quote name='Salamando3000']Looks like the game getting the Twilight Princess treatment is Pikmin 3. It's now officially a Wii U game. Link[/QUOTE]
Damn. I got my wish(HD Pikmin), just not the console I wanted. :lol: It is a good move though. A living breathing garden in HD to control your Pikmin in will be awesome. Pikmin seems like the perfect game to showcase this tech, and is the first step in winning me over for a purchase.
[quote name='confoosious']this is what i was talking about when I said the golf ball on the ground was a "damn" moment for me. You can now extend the controller/screen to anywhere and a good developer will make some great creative decisions surrounding gameplay with it.[/QUOTE]
:lol: The golf ball was the moment it went from, "wow, this is pretty cool" to absolutely retarded for me. I don't need a virtual golf ball on my floor to play Wii golf. But yeah, I think this thing has way more potential than Motion ever did, it just depends on whether or not devs do more than just use it for an inventory/map screen.
Damn. I got my wish(HD Pikmin), just not the console I wanted. :lol: It is a good move though. A living breathing garden in HD to control your Pikmin in will be awesome. Pikmin seems like the perfect game to showcase this tech, and is the first step in winning me over for a purchase.
[quote name='confoosious']this is what i was talking about when I said the golf ball on the ground was a "damn" moment for me. You can now extend the controller/screen to anywhere and a good developer will make some great creative decisions surrounding gameplay with it.[/QUOTE]
:lol: The golf ball was the moment it went from, "wow, this is pretty cool" to absolutely retarded for me. I don't need a virtual golf ball on my floor to play Wii golf. But yeah, I think this thing has way more potential than Motion ever did, it just depends on whether or not devs do more than just use it for an inventory/map screen.
[quote name='Corvin']
:lol: The golf ball was the moment it went from, "wow, this is pretty cool" to absolutely retarded for me. I don't need a virtual golf ball on my floor to play Wii golf.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly how most of us got tricked into the Wii. We saw sword fighting (RED STEEL) and drooled! Why? Because in theory, sword fighting with motion controls (keep in mind, this is 2006..) was just an INCREDIBLE idea.
This is why I, like others, are on the fence when seeing these small videos that really don't show anything. In this particular case, it's the SAME thing as golf from Wii Sports.... but there's just a video on the floor. Cool in theory, but not exciting (at least to me)
:lol: The golf ball was the moment it went from, "wow, this is pretty cool" to absolutely retarded for me. I don't need a virtual golf ball on my floor to play Wii golf.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly how most of us got tricked into the Wii. We saw sword fighting (RED STEEL) and drooled! Why? Because in theory, sword fighting with motion controls (keep in mind, this is 2006..) was just an INCREDIBLE idea.
This is why I, like others, are on the fence when seeing these small videos that really don't show anything. In this particular case, it's the SAME thing as golf from Wii Sports.... but there's just a video on the floor. Cool in theory, but not exciting (at least to me)
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[quote name='Corvin']
:lol: The golf ball was the moment it went from, "wow, this is pretty cool" to absolutely retarded for me. I don't need a virtual golf ball on my floor to play Wii golf. But yeah, I think this thing has way more potential than Motion ever did, it just depends on whether or not devs do more than just use it for an inventory/map screen.[/QUOTE]
The golf ball tech to me was actual a highlight. It gives a golf game a little more realism if I can look down at the lie of my ball and base my shot on it. I could easily see EA using the controller for Tiger Woods in this manner.
:lol: The golf ball was the moment it went from, "wow, this is pretty cool" to absolutely retarded for me. I don't need a virtual golf ball on my floor to play Wii golf. But yeah, I think this thing has way more potential than Motion ever did, it just depends on whether or not devs do more than just use it for an inventory/map screen.[/QUOTE]
The golf ball tech to me was actual a highlight. It gives a golf game a little more realism if I can look down at the lie of my ball and base my shot on it. I could easily see EA using the controller for Tiger Woods in this manner.
Why is StarCraft 2 being mentioned here? Wouldn't it be more logical to talk about a different RTS being ported to the WiiU? Blizzard wouldn't touch this disaster with a ten foot pole, they know better.
As for the 3rd party games using PS3/360/PC footage, lol. Don't show footage while promoting your new console if it's not on the new console, just say those games are on board. Nintendo really failed all the way around at their conference except for the Zelda stuff.
As for the 3rd party games using PS3/360/PC footage, lol. Don't show footage while promoting your new console if it's not on the new console, just say those games are on board. Nintendo really failed all the way around at their conference except for the Zelda stuff.
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The conference thing is to be expected, Sony & MS pulled the same crap years ago with the PS3 & 360. Shady tactics and E3 go hand-in-hand. If the system is as strong / stronger than the 360 / PS3, we'll see ports that are on par with what's in the demo reel.
Wii U looks nice, but I'm not sold on it yet. I've been burned by the Wii & to a lesser degree, the 3DS. I'm stoked about the new Smash Bros, but no info means we're a ways away from it being released.
E3 was kinda of a let down, if only because I'm finally burned out on all the sequals, remakes, and re-releases. Give me some fresh IPs!
Wii U looks nice, but I'm not sold on it yet. I've been burned by the Wii & to a lesser degree, the 3DS. I'm stoked about the new Smash Bros, but no info means we're a ways away from it being released.
E3 was kinda of a let down, if only because I'm finally burned out on all the sequals, remakes, and re-releases. Give me some fresh IPs!
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